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27 Jun 2005 03:35:34 AM |
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Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as a
result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's "forgiveness,"
it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot simpler (and less
bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by
partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
Greywolf
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| User: "Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
30 Jun 2005 01:14:10 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:11but1f5elc0j65@corp.supernews.com:
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and
that as a result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with
God's "forgiveness," it occured to me that it would have been a
whole lot simpler (and less bloody) if God, after realizing that
Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by partaking of the forbidden fruit,
had just said, " You know you two clowns deeply disappointed me. But
guess what? I forgive you."
christ on a freakin' crutch dude...get over it
theists are everywhere...but why in the world does that bother
you so much?????????????
to the believers in astrology or herbal remedies get under
your skin as deeply?
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Mark
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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30 Jun 2005 01:31:13 AM |
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Mark wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins
and that as a result of the cross we mortals have been blessed
with God's "forgiveness," it occured to me that it would have
been a whole lot simpler (and less bloody) if God, after
realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by partaking of
the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
christ on a freakin' crutch dude...get over it
theists are everywhere...but why in the world does that bother
you so much?????????????
to the believers in astrology or herbal remedies get under your
skin as deeply?
Astrologers generally don't fight tooth and nail to have astrology
taught alongside astronomy, and herbalists aren't known for their
plans to outlaw non-herbal medicinal practices. And neither is
waging an all-out assault on the Constitution or working like hell
to subsume all branches of the government.
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
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| User: "Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
30 Jun 2005 01:50:12 AM |
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Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in news:42c34c57_2@spool9-
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Cheers,
touche!! :^D
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Mark
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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30 Jun 2005 02:48:56 AM |
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"Mark" <mark@no.answer.net> wrote in message
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Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in news:42c34c57_2@spool9-
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Cheers,
touche!! :^D
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Mark
Mark wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins
and that as a result of the cross we mortals have been blessed
with God's "forgiveness," it occurred to me that it would have
been a whole lot simpler (and less bloody) if God, after
realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by partaking of
the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
The question was posed to illustrate the fact that the suffering and death
of Jesus was needless. In fact, one could argue that what God did in
regards to Jesus was immoral given the scenario given here. But then
again, one could argue that Jesus was not really human (because "real"
humans don't walk on water or raise people from the dead*) and therefore
did not really "suffer" any bodily pain. (It was all just "divine"
acting.). As for the forgiveness of sins at or about the time of Jesus,
all they would have needed back then was a confessional.
Greywolf
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| User: "Steve" |
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27 Jun 2005 04:28:22 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:11but1f5elc0j65@corp.supernews.com...
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as
a
result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's "forgiveness,"
it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot simpler (and less
bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by
partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
Greywolf
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
..... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Steve
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| User: "Steve" |
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27 Jun 2005 04:28:22 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:11but1f5elc0j65@corp.supernews.com...
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as
a
result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's "forgiveness,"
it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot simpler (and less
bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by
partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
Greywolf
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
..... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Steve
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Jun 2005 10:17:55 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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30 Jun 2005 01:49:08 AM |
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Duck ***** farted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
Hurl is blasphemously speaking for god now! His transition to the dork
side is complete.
Budikka
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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28 Jun 2005 02:38:06 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:4hkvb1lgegun2rh07jmvscni4ja8psptii@4ax.com:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was
going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
Why. According to the myth, the god knew all decisions before it started.
i.e a pointless excercise.
Klazmon
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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27 Jun 2005 11:21:28 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
And you decided to worship a false god.
It's your funeral, duke.
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Jun 2005 10:44:42 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:21:28 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
And you decided to worship a false god.
Why false? You don't have anything to back up that idea.
It's your funeral, duke.
Yes, thank you Jesus.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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27 Jun 2005 10:49:59 PM |
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duke wrote:
DanielSan wrote:
And you decided to worship a false god.
Why false? You don't have anything to back up that idea.
Sure we do. It's the way you work OVERTIME to avoid telling the
truth.
Cheers,
b&
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| User: "Olrik" |
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28 Jun 2005 05:33:17 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:21:28 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
And you decided to worship a false god.
Why false? You don't have anything to back up that idea.
It's your funeral, duke.
Yes, thank you Jesus.
Man, that "duke" guy is just waiting to die.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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29 Jun 2005 12:50:45 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:33:17 -0400, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Man, that "duke" guy is just waiting to die.
Hardly surprising. He has got nothing to live for.
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Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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28 Jun 2005 06:51:56 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:21:28 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
And you decided to worship a false god.
Why false? You don't have anything to back up that idea.
Nor do you have anything to back up the idea that you're not worshipping
a false god.
It's your funeral, duke.
Yes, thank you Jesus.
You'll be able to talk to Thor the moment after you die and tell him
that you'll be wanting to thank the traitorous Jesus.
We'll see if he doesn't shove those lightning bolts of his up your butt.
You think the fires of hell are painful on your butt? Wait for Zeus'
lightning bolts!
Is your butt prepared, duke? ;-)
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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28 Jun 2005 02:42:15 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he started
.... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was going screw
things up .... why did he get so ***** and disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
Ah. We must make a correct decision to follow the intentions of God,
whose intentions are in principle unknowable. Got it.
Duke, you and your God are equal parts idiotic and pathetic. You
deserve one another.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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27 Jun 2005 05:50:39 PM |
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on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was
going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god doesn't
exist.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Jun 2005 10:45:33 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:50:39 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was
going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god doesn't
exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The sad part is by
then, it's too late you change your mind.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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28 Jun 2005 02:00:44 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god
doesn't exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The sad
part is by then, it's too late you change your mind.
I see you haven't changed a bit. Don't you know we're tired of that spiel?
Why don't you come up with a new one, OK court jester?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
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"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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| User: "Olrik" |
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28 Jun 2005 05:40:16 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 27 Jun 2005, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god
doesn't exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The sad
part is by then, it's too late you change your mind.
I see you haven't changed a bit. Don't you know we're tired of that spiel?
Why don't you come up with a new one, OK court jester?
"Duke" is, according to him, 62 years-old. At this point, he's just
waiting to die. He can't kill himself, as it is a big no-no in his
religion. I think he simply despises his life. I've never seen any joy
or happiness in his posts.
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Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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29 Jun 2005 12:54:26 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:45:33 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The sad part is by
then, it's too late you change your mind.
Why is it so important to your god, that people believe in it?
Does it draw some power from your belief?
If not, then why does it matter?
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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28 Jun 2005 06:53:19 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:50:39 -0500, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation was
going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god doesn't
exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The sad part is by
then, it's too late you change your mind.
Zeus and Thor would prefer you to disbelieve in gods instead of
worshipping a false one.
See, me -- win/no win, you -- lose/no win.
Good luck, dukey.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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28 Jun 2005 02:40:49 PM |
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on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, DanielSan dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:50:39 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation
was going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god
doesn't exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The
sad part is by then, it's too late you change your mind.
Zeus and Thor would prefer you to disbelieve in gods instead of
worshipping a false one.
See, me -- win/no win, you -- lose/no win.
Good luck, dukey.
But everybody knows there's no evidence for Zeus or Thor. But duke's god
has a corner on the evidence market. Cuz duke says so.
<wink-wink>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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28 Jun 2005 09:27:41 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, DanielSan dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:50:39 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 27 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +1000, "Steve" <kmbs57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Even simpler ..... this omnipotent gawd knew the outcome before he
started .... so why did he bother ? And as he knew his creation
was going screw things up .... why did he get so ***** and
disappointed anyway ?
Because we don't know. And he wants our decision.
My decision is that all evidence points to the fact that the god
doesn't exist.
Cool, and you'll find out for sure one moment after you die. The
sad part is by then, it's too late you change your mind.
Zeus and Thor would prefer you to disbelieve in gods instead of
worshipping a false one.
See, me -- win/no win, you -- lose/no win.
Good luck, dukey.
But everybody knows there's no evidence for Zeus or Thor. But duke's god
has a corner on the evidence market. Cuz duke says so.
Whaddya mean? You've seen lightning, right? All evidence demands
Thor's existence! And, since Thor has now been proven to exist, his
boss, Zeus, has also been proven to exist.
Therefore, all evidence demands Thor's and Zeus' existence. It's
everywhere, it's everywhere!
;-)
<wink-wink>
<nudge-nudge>
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28 Jun 2005 10:05:39 PM |
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But everybody knows there's no evidence for Zeus or Thor. But duke's god
has a corner on the evidence market. Cuz duke says so.
Whaddya mean? You've seen lightning, right? All evidence demands Thor's
existence! And, since Thor has now been proven to exist, his boss, Zeus,
has also been proven to exist.
Therefore, all evidence demands Thor's and Zeus' existence. It's
everywhere, it's everywhere!
;-)
<wink-wink>
<nudge-nudge>
Well I guess you showed *them*! Your logic is almost flawless: We've all
seen lightening (excepting the blind), and we all know that Thor's is
responsible for it. And yes, if Zeus was Thor's boss you would be
one-hundred percent right in proving Zeus's existence. Unfortunately, "Odin"
is Thor's boss. So even though you have not demonstrated an air-tight case
for the existence of Zeus, you have for Odin. Now the next thing you'll see
is some clown in this forum asking something stupid like: "What Would
Constitute Proof that Odin (or Thor) Doesn't Exist? Geesh. Don't people like
that have anything better to do with their lives?
Greywolf
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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28 Jun 2005 10:32:33 PM |
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Greywolf wrote:
What Would Constitute Proof that Odin (or Thor) Doesn't Exist?
Well, duh! If no Valkyrie swings me behind her on her horse to
take me to Valhalla when I die, then that would constitute
ironclad proof of Wotan's non-existence.
What more could you ask for, really?
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
God can never prove that this sentence is true.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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29 Jun 2005 01:27:41 AM |
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On 28 Jun 2005, Ben Goren dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Greywolf wrote:
What Would Constitute Proof that Odin (or Thor) Doesn't Exist?
Well, duh! If no Valkyrie swings me behind her on her horse to
take me to Valhalla when I die, then that would constitute
ironclad proof of Wotan's non-existence.
What more could you ask for, really?
Quetzalcoatl.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
Lovingly plonked by Roger Pearse
______________
"I'm sickened by all religions. Religion has divided people. I don't think
there's any difference between the pope wearing a large hat and parading
around with a smoking purse and an African painting his face white and
praying to a rock."
[Howard Stern]
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
28 Jun 2005 02:45:57 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:11but1f5elc0j65@corp.supernews.com...
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as
a result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's
"forgiveness," it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot
simpler (and less bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had
disobeyed him by partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You
know you two clowns deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive
you."
The supposed god COULD have created the universe in which A & E used their
"free will" to NOT eat the apple.
But instead the god deliberately created the universe in which they DID eat
the apple.
What a dumb-***** story.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
28 Jun 2005 05:50:40 PM |
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In article <2sqdnRLIMK1_JF3fRVn-rQ@io.com>,
says...
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:11but1f5elc0j65@corp.supernews.com...
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as
a result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's
"forgiveness," it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot
simpler (and less bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had
disobeyed him by partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You
know you two clowns deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive
you."
The supposed god COULD have created the universe in which A & E used their
"free will" to NOT eat the apple.
But instead the god deliberately created the universe in which they DID eat
the apple.
What a dumb-***** story.
One of the origins of the idiot plot?
--
Siobhan - a.a. #2201
siobhan.burke@CARRIERatt.net
Drop CARRIER to email
"But as a general rule, when things look bad there's always some
***** who can make them worse." -- Terry Pratchett
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| User: "me" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
27 Jun 2005 05:09:59 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as a
result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's "forgiveness,"
it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot simpler (and less
bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by
partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
Greywolf
The Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden story is a spell
The Serpent, the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life are all
symbols for the penis. The "Fall of Adam" happened when he tasted the "Fruit of the
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" (which Eve gave to him). This is a reference to
homosexuality.
Eve gave Adam a blow-job ... which really upset God. So he chased them out of the
Garden of Eden (Greek EDE, the present moment, reality, the now) ... before they got
round to fucking (the Tree of Life)
Genesis 3,15
God talking to the "Serpent"
I will put enmity between thee and the woman
Between your brood and her brood
God is saying here that he will cause bad feeling (in a sexual sense) between men and
women, between sons and daughters.
Real "holy" stuff, eh?
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus Really Necessary? |
27 Jun 2005 05:32:58 PM |
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Greywolf wrote:
After hearing all the stuff about how Jesus died for our sins and that as a
result of the cross we mortals have been blessed with God's "forgiveness,"
it occured to me that it would have been a whole lot simpler (and less
bloody) if God, after realizing that Adam and Eve had disobeyed him by
partaking of the forbidden fruit, had just said, " You know you two clowns
deeply disappointed me. But guess what? I forgive you."
Clowns and insurgents are not to be equated. What you apparently view
as a minor peccadillo was instead major mutiny against their Creator.
Adam and Eve were seduced by the temptation "to be like God" (Gen 3.5)
in their own way and on their own terms. Their relationship of love for
and trust in God was gone. No longer believing God could be trusted,
they decided He was holding out on them. After their act of rebellion
Adam hides himself from God just as all humanity has continued to do
ever since. It's not that God needs to be reconciled to humanity but
just the opposite. "All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned
every one to his own way." (Isa 53.6) "In Christ God was reconciling the
world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them." (2 Cor
5.19)
Denny
Greywolf
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