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"Ray Fischer" |
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23 Sep 2007 12:44:59 AM |
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Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070921/wl_time/wasjohnpauliieuthanized
In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that
Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and
illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr. Lina
Pavanelli has concluded that the ailing Pope's April 2 death was
caused by what the Catholic Church itself would consider euthanasia.
She bases this conclusion on her medical expertise and her own
observations of the ailing pontiff on television, as well as press
reports and a subsequent book by John Paul's personal physician. The
failure to insert a feeding tube into the patient until just a few
days before he died accelerated John Paul's death, Pavanelli
concludes. Moreover, Pavanelli says she believes that the Pope's
doctors dutifully explained the situation to him, and thus she
surmises that it was the pontiff himself who likely refused the
feeding tube after he'd been twice rushed to the hospital in February
and March. Catholics are enjoined to pursue all means to prolong life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Sep 2007 04:26:25 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:21:45 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <fodgf35jng3cptesdost46qrss6alufhkp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:08 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
** Excellent!
Yep, he hates that.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 09:09:08 PM |
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In article <k7vif3pjngfjmsj812hnab9p7ls2f72fj5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:21:45 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <fodgf35jng3cptesdost46qrss6alufhkp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:08 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
** Excellent!
Yep, he hates that.
• The Notre Dame mascot is one of the best.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 04:27:15 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:09:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <k7vif3pjngfjmsj812hnab9p7ls2f72fj5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:21:45 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <fodgf35jng3cptesdost46qrss6alufhkp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:08 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
** Excellent!
Yep, he hates that.
• The Notre Dame mascot is one of the best.
For an Irishman.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 08:11:09 AM |
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In article <se9kf31m71t5t9cnls7f7umo4pco9hfuvq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:09:08 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <k7vif3pjngfjmsj812hnab9p7ls2f72fj5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:21:45 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <fodgf35jng3cptesdost46qrss6alufhkp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:08 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
** Excellent!
Yep, he hates that.
• The Notre Dame mascot is one of the best.
For an Irishman.
• maybe you will find snakes in your bed ?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
28 Sep 2007 11:51:24 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:11:09 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• The Notre Dame mascot is one of the best.
For an Irishman.
• maybe you will find snakes in your bed ?
How frightening. God keeps them away.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
24 Sep 2007 09:25:45 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:08 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
Um, no there's not. There's not even a fake one as a mascot.
You are just living your own silly dream
Irony meter...overloading...need to maintain reason shields...the
engines canna take it much longer, Captain!
But all evidence to be found definitely demands the existence of God.
There is no evidence, support, ideas, etc that God doesn't exist.
Every scientific advancement we make is another nail in the coffin of your
God of the Gaps.
If you have some evidence, be specific. Your general claim that everything
is evidence is no more or less refutable than if I said that everything is
evidence for invisible pink unicorns.
and violating your own principles.
And what principles do you suppose those are?
I don't think you have any.
First I'm violating my principles. Now you think I don't have any. Which is
going to be Dork?
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Sep 2007 05:12:39 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:25:45 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
But you have no evidence for his nonexistence.
No more than you have evidence for the existence of leprechauns.
All evidence that exists demands the existence of God.
No more than all evidence demands the existence of leprechauns.
There's one at all Notre Dame Games.
Um, no there's not. There's not even a fake one as a mascot.
But there is one at all ND games.
But all evidence to be found definitely demands the existence of God.
There is no evidence, support, ideas, etc that God doesn't exist.
Every scientific advancement we make is another nail in the coffin of your
God of the Gaps.
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
If you have some evidence, be specific. Your general claim that everything
is evidence is no more or less refutable than if I said that everything is
evidence for invisible pink unicorns.
I see evidence of God everywhere I look, but I see no evidence anywhere for this
ipu you talk about. Have you been to see a doctor?
and violating your own principles.
And what principles do you suppose those are?
I don't think you have any.
First I'm violating my principles. Now you think I don't have any. Which is
going to be Dork?
All is said and done.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 09:44:38 AM |
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In article <shnhf31rrmfsqgblcojat7ab1g31s05gv7@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
But all evidence to be found definitely demands the existence of God.
There is no evidence, support, ideas, etc that God doesn't exist.
Every scientific advancement we make is another nail in the coffin of your
God of the Gaps.
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Sep 2007 04:22:23 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:44:38 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
But all evidence to be found definitely demands the existence of God.
There is no evidence, support, ideas, etc that God doesn't exist.
Every scientific advancement we make is another nail in the coffin of your
God of the Gaps.
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 08:08:19 PM |
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In article <pvuif3dk6csnf68f22h0kfgcgo9paknee0@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:44:38 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
But all evidence to be found definitely demands the existence of God.
There is no evidence, support, ideas, etc that God doesn't exist.
Every scientific advancement we make is another nail in the coffin of
your
God of the Gaps.
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Sep 2007 03:20:30 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:19 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@barnsco.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Smiler" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
27 Sep 2007 07:00:16 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:a34of35b0u0631g19dkn4gvip6r9pu29pi@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:19 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@barnsco.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Another meaningless theistic threat.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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27 Sep 2007 09:32:02 PM |
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In article <kuXKi.47695$j16.15363@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Smiler
<Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:a34of35b0u0631g19dkn4gvip6r9pu29pi@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:19 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@barnsco.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Another meaningless theistic threat.
Note how the theists change their behavior, not due to who they are,
but due to fear of the after-world. If they could get away with łsin˛
they would do it. BUT, they are łbeing watched.˛
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Sep 2007 11:48:40 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:00:16 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Another meaningless theistic threat.
I myself can't threaten you. It's not in my charter.
Believe.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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27 Sep 2007 09:32:02 PM |
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In article <a34of35b0u0631g19dkn4gvip6r9pu29pi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:08:19 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@barnsco.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenąt you?
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Sep 2007 11:49:25 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenąt you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
28 Sep 2007 07:33:57 PM |
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In article <e3cqf3t4vg9ga3i957fnj27bbumu5c2vsi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenąt you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
Not what I meant. You seem afraid of dying.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Sep 2007 07:44:22 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:33:57 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <e3cqf3t4vg9ga3i957fnj27bbumu5c2vsi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenÂąt you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
Not what I meant. You seem afraid of dying.
dukey-boy is far more afraid of thinking.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Sep 2007 08:48:40 PM |
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In article <mu7rf35ov3pjjsd10ova10t3im354ubhrs@4ax.com>, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:33:57 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <e3cqf3t4vg9ga3i957fnj27bbumu5c2vsi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, aren1t you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
Not what I meant. You seem afraid of dying.
dukey-boy is far more afraid of thinking.
Apparently. He is really into the whole idea that logic and reasoning
are unnecessary.
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Sep 2007 06:34:11 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:48:40 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
dukey-boy is far more afraid of thinking.
Apparently. He is really into the whole idea that logic and reasoning
are unnecessary.
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
29 Sep 2007 08:52:04 AM |
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In article <20esf3dr6g5khojt0fk2aun4e7rhb3ga91@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:48:40 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
dukey-boy is far more afraid of thinking.
Apparently. He is really into the whole idea that logic and reasoning
are unnecessary.
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 AM |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
29 Sep 2007 07:24:24 PM |
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In article <f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Start with science.
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Untrue. The evidence to the contrary is all around us.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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29 Sep 2007 11:51:37 AM |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Do you deny the existence of Thor since there is no evidence to show
that he exists?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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29 Sep 2007 07:24:24 PM |
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In article <vj0tf3h5leve9bhr1707347913mtno2079@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Do you deny the existence of Thor since there is no evidence to show
that he exists?
If he were consistent, which he is not, he would say Thor exists. He
is just another simple minded moron who believes that since you canąt
prove a negative, that proves God exists. Of course, it canąt be
proven that I am not God, so that makes me God - to him.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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29 Sep 2007 07:54:31 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:24:24 -0700, in alt.atheism
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in
<290920071724247717%davbarnes@gmail.com>:
In article <vj0tf3h5leve9bhr1707347913mtno2079@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Do you deny the existence of Thor since there is no evidence to show
that he exists?
If he were consistent, which he is not, he would say Thor exists. He
is just another simple minded moron who believes that since you canąt
prove a negative, that proves God exists. Of course, it canąt be
proven that I am not God, so that makes me God - to him.
That's fine, thanks for taking the risk. I'm not sure I could tolerate
it if he were worshipping me.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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29 Sep 2007 08:56:27 PM |
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In article <nsstf35i2pmuk98g3ou1meqpee1fil0v6r@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:24:24 -0700, in alt.atheism
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in
<290920071724247717%davbarnes@gmail.com>:
In article <vj0tf3h5leve9bhr1707347913mtno2079@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Do you deny the existence of Thor since there is no evidence to show
that he exists?
If he were consistent, which he is not, he would say Thor exists. He
is just another simple minded moron who believes that since you canąt
prove a negative, that proves God exists. Of course, it canąt be
proven that I am not God, so that makes me God - to him.
That's fine, thanks for taking the risk. I'm not sure I could tolerate
it if he were worshipping me.
Jesus returns: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy5-mXoOJ-A&NR=1>
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
29 Sep 2007 08:06:50 PM |
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In article <nsstf35i2pmuk98g3ou1meqpee1fil0v6r@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:24:24 -0700, in alt.atheism
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in
<290920071724247717%davbarnes@gmail.com>:
In article <vj0tf3h5leve9bhr1707347913mtno2079@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
<lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:30:13 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<f9vsf395tnec46ee7qegan8g21sg4tl8bl@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:04 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
So offer some logic and reasoning that God doesn't exist.
Same logic and reasoning that Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Easter bunny.
donąt exist.
But WHAT logic and reasoning?
Besides, in the real world we donąt believe something exists just
because there is no evidence to the contrary.
Yes you do. You deny the existence of God totally lacking evidence.
Do you deny the existence of Thor since there is no evidence to show
that he exists?
If he were consistent, which he is not, he would say Thor exists. He
is just another simple minded moron who believes that since you canąt
prove a negative, that proves God exists. Of course, it canąt be
proven that I am not God, so that makes me God - to him.
That's fine, thanks for taking the risk. I'm not sure I could tolerate
it if he were worshipping me.
Well, you never know what might happen in the future. I work in
mysterious ways.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
29 Sep 2007 06:31:37 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:33:57 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <e3cqf3t4vg9ga3i957fnj27bbumu5c2vsi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenąt you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
Not what I meant. You seem afraid of dying.
I'm afraid of not spending all eternity in the loving arms of my God. You
appear unafraid of spending all eternity in the torment of your god satan.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
29 Sep 2007 08:52:03 AM |
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In article <gqdsf3pvdr873jvvdav0993jt7bo1fn59i@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:33:57 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <e3cqf3t4vg9ga3i957fnj27bbumu5c2vsi@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:02 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Every scientific advancement we make is another gift from God.
Still crazy after all these years, eh?
If you don't believe, you sure are.
How so?
It's your funeral.
Cowardly, arenąt you?
Nope, he's a spade, so I call him a spade.
Not what I meant. You seem afraid of dying.
I'm afraid of not spending all eternity in the loving arms of my God.
And you think God is so stupid he will not see that are faking it for
that purpose?
You
appear unafraid of spending all eternity in the torment of your god satan.
I am unafraid. Interesting łGod˛ you have there. You believe he is
such an ***** he will allow people to spend eternity in torment.
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