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Religions > Atheism |
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"Ray Fischer" |
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23 Sep 2007 12:44:59 AM |
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Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070921/wl_time/wasjohnpauliieuthanized
In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that
Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and
illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr. Lina
Pavanelli has concluded that the ailing Pope's April 2 death was
caused by what the Catholic Church itself would consider euthanasia.
She bases this conclusion on her medical expertise and her own
observations of the ailing pontiff on television, as well as press
reports and a subsequent book by John Paul's personal physician. The
failure to insert a feeding tube into the patient until just a few
days before he died accelerated John Paul's death, Pavanelli
concludes. Moreover, Pavanelli says she believes that the Pope's
doctors dutifully explained the situation to him, and thus she
surmises that it was the pontiff himself who likely refused the
feeding tube after he'd been twice rushed to the hospital in February
and March. Catholics are enjoined to pursue all means to prolong life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
23 Sep 2007 01:30:07 PM |
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In article <47bdf35178p443t6ng15i9gd6jhim7eolb@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:49:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <gimcf3tq9q57d3hfm293oofc1ied6cggd2@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:50:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <46f5fd5b$0$14065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070921/wl_time/wasjohnpauliieuthanized
In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that
Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and
illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr. Lina
Pavanelli has concluded that the ailing Pope's April 2 death was
caused by what the Catholic Church itself would consider euthanasia.
She bases this conclusion on her medical expertise and her own
observations of the ailing pontiff on television, as well as press
reports and a subsequent book by John Paul's personal physician. The
failure to insert a feeding tube into the patient until just a few
days before he died accelerated John Paul's death, Pavanelli
concludes. Moreover, Pavanelli says she believes that the Pope's
doctors dutifully explained the situation to him, and thus she
surmises that it was the pontiff himself who likely refused the
feeding tube after he'd been twice rushed to the hospital in February
and March. Catholics are enjoined to pursue all means to prolong life.
** Apparently, those who comprise the Roman Curia are not Catholic.
Apparently those that are not Catholic will bite on anything.
While those who are remain in continued denial.
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life support?
I suppose.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
23 Sep 2007 03:26:31 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:30:07 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <47bdf35178p443t6ng15i9gd6jhim7eolb@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:49:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <gimcf3tq9q57d3hfm293oofc1ied6cggd2@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:50:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <46f5fd5b$0$14065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070921/wl_time/wasjohnpauliieuthanized
In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that
Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and
illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr. Lina
Pavanelli has concluded that the ailing Pope's April 2 death was
caused by what the Catholic Church itself would consider euthanasia.
She bases this conclusion on her medical expertise and her own
observations of the ailing pontiff on television, as well as press
reports and a subsequent book by John Paul's personal physician. The
failure to insert a feeding tube into the patient until just a few
days before he died accelerated John Paul's death, Pavanelli
concludes. Moreover, Pavanelli says she believes that the Pope's
doctors dutifully explained the situation to him, and thus she
surmises that it was the pontiff himself who likely refused the
feeding tube after he'd been twice rushed to the hospital in February
and March. Catholics are enjoined to pursue all means to prolong life.
** Apparently, those who comprise the Roman Curia are not Catholic.
Apparently those that are not Catholic will bite on anything.
While those who are remain in continued denial.
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
23 Sep 2007 04:11:05 PM |
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In article <3vidf3tnv0967vhsgmqcvgc93vc96hulbk@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:30:07 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <47bdf35178p443t6ng15i9gd6jhim7eolb@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:49:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <gimcf3tq9q57d3hfm293oofc1ied6cggd2@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:50:56 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <46f5fd5b$0$14065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
rfischer@sonic.net
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070921/wl_time/wasjohnpauliieuthanized
In a provocative article, an Italian medical professor argues that
Pope John Paul II didn't just simply slip away as his weakness and
illness overtook him in April 2005. Intensive care specialist Dr.
Lina
Pavanelli has concluded that the ailing Pope's April 2 death was
caused by what the Catholic Church itself would consider euthanasia.
She bases this conclusion on her medical expertise and her own
observations of the ailing pontiff on television, as well as press
reports and a subsequent book by John Paul's personal physician. The
failure to insert a feeding tube into the patient until just a few
days before he died accelerated John Paul's death, Pavanelli
concludes. Moreover, Pavanelli says she believes that the Pope's
doctors dutifully explained the situation to him, and thus she
surmises that it was the pontiff himself who likely refused the
feeding tube after he'd been twice rushed to the hospital in February
and March. Catholics are enjoined to pursue all means to prolong
life.
** Apparently, those who comprise the Roman Curia are not Catholic.
Apparently those that are not Catholic will bite on anything.
While those who are remain in continued denial.
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
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| User: "duke" |
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23 Sep 2007 04:55:56 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:11:05 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow unrestrained life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
23 Sep 2007 05:24:24 PM |
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In article <p3odf3p9jr1h8ggtjjbdopbn2ess1dbdl9@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:11:05 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
24 Sep 2007 05:21:35 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:24:24 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <p3odf3p9jr1h8ggtjjbdopbn2ess1dbdl9@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:11:05 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 12:34:44 AM |
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In article <5r3ff3d7jtuk66dit6rvgtpugndi5rg1mn@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:24:24 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <p3odf3p9jr1h8ggtjjbdopbn2ess1dbdl9@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:11:05 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 05:14:26 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 07:28:50 AM |
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In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 09:43:36 AM |
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In article <r-2509070528500001@66-52-38-5.lsan.dock.net>, •R L Measures
<r@somis.org> wrote:
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Translation: You have to be mentally ill to just pick and choose what
you believe, based on nothing. That is what we have here. He has
nothing. Choosing to believe ³He told us² is absolutely no different
than a person believing he is Napoleon. We literally lock people up
when they see things - when they hear things. If someone claims that
they hear morse code messages from the rain as it taps on the glass of
their home, we look at them and figure they are crazy. But when
someone says they ³believe² in God, we call them religious.
The fact that Duke and all other theists cannot support their position
by simply saying ³I just choose to believe it,² is absolutely no
different than other crazy people and we should treat them as such. I
do.
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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25 Sep 2007 09:06:48 PM |
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In article <250920070743360885%davbarnes@gmail.com>, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <r-2509070528500001@66-52-38-5.lsan.dock.net>, •R L Measures
<r@somis.org> wrote:
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on, life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Translation: You have to be mentally ill to just pick and choose what
you believe, based on nothing. That is what we have here. He has
nothing. Choosing to believe ³He told us² is absolutely no different
than a person believing he is Napoleon. We literally lock people up
when they see things - when they hear things. If someone claims that
they hear morse code messages from the rain as it taps on the glass of
their home, we look at them and figure they are crazy. But when
someone says they ³believe² in God, we call them religious.
The fact that Duke and all other theists cannot support their position
by simply saying ³I just choose to believe it,² is absolutely no
different than other crazy people and we should treat them as such. I
do.
• They are guessing, you are guessing.
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| User: "duke" |
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25 Sep 2007 04:28:21 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 09:10:14 PM |
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In article <eavif3t1kli07f8it7b3hid8ke3ij8hif5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
• "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 10:56:17 PM |
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..R L Measures wrote:
In article <eavif3t1kli07f8it7b3hid8ke3ij8hif5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (.R L Measures)
wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
. Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us
that He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
Either you're getting forged elsewhere in this thread or you're getting a
bit to chummy with Duke.
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 08:08:28 AM |
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In article <lcKdnbA0E5_7RWTbnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@giganews.com>, "Geoff"
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
.R L Measures wrote:
In article <eavif3t1kli07f8it7b3hid8ke3ij8hif5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (.R L Measures)
wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
. Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us
that He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
Either you're getting forged elsewhere in this thread or you're getting a
bit to chummy with Duke.
** Thanks, Geoff, I'll check it out. cheerz
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Sep 2007 04:28:01 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:10:14 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <eavif3t1kli07f8it7b3hid8ke3ij8hif5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
• "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
I believe God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 08:11:54 AM |
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In article <lg9kf3plcbqggb0q3lqdhaenbni7fsqvrq@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:10:14 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <eavif3t1kli07f8it7b3hid8ke3ij8hif5@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
• "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
I believe God.
• You believe Holey men.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 12:58:16 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
(•R L Measures) wrote:
duke
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:28:50 -0700, (•R L Measures) wrote:
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
• Translation: Men who claim to be God's special servants told us that
He said this.
Yes, but he told us too.
• "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it."
- - - Joseph Goebbels
I believe God.
You believe the pope. God you hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 09:35:57 AM |
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In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
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| User: "Jim" |
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25 Sep 2007 05:03:11 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Gwyne=F0_Bennetdottir?=" |
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26 Sep 2007 07:12:18 AM |
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On Sep 25, 5:03 pm, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbar...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bv...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God...
It's up to you to prove that there is, "smart guy."
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 02:45:50 PM |
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"Gwyneð Bennetdottir" <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190808738.301445.244230@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 5:03 pm, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbar...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bv...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are
required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God...
It's up to you to prove that there is, "smart guy."
Says who?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 08:23:32 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:12:18 -0000, Gwyneð Bennetdottir
<bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 25, 5:03 pm, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbar...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bv...@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God...
It's up to you to prove that there is, "smart guy."
If he does, he'll be the first to do so in recorded history.
Methinks such a task is beyind his patently feeble grasp of reality,
oh daughter of Bennet.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 03:30:43 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
Suppose you prove that there is a God, and the fucked world is his
fault. After all he's in charge according to those believe in him, and
they have the burden of proof.
How would I prove that I don't believe your nonsense about a all
powerful God that is concerned about our sex life.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
25 Sep 2007 08:48:49 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
WTF???
How many straw men can you make per second?
10? 100? 1000?
No-one has produced even a feeble scrap of evidence for any
supernatural god since recorded history.
By the sound of your big mouth, you will have no trouble being the
very first person to do so!
(Or is the problem that you do not have a teensy tiny scrap of
anything even vaguely resembling evidence?)
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 02:14:11 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:peejf3lmjbv1apqjsts7ndh43osorqovqn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to
us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who
will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
WTF???
How many straw men can you make per second?
10? 100? 1000?
No-one has produced even a feeble scrap of evidence for any
supernatural god since recorded history.
By the sound of your big mouth, you will have no trouble being the
very first person to do so!
(Or is the problem that you do not have a teensy tiny scrap of
anything even vaguely resembling evidence?)
Is that stupid rant supposed to be an answer? Or evidence that 'strawman'
has no answer?
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 03:34:44 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:14:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:peejf3lmjbv1apqjsts7ndh43osorqovqn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to
us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who
will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
WTF???
How many straw men can you make per second?
10? 100? 1000?
No-one has produced even a feeble scrap of evidence for any
supernatural god since recorded history.
By the sound of your big mouth, you will have no trouble being the
very first person to do so!
(Or is the problem that you do not have a teensy tiny scrap of
anything even vaguely resembling evidence?)
Is that stupid rant supposed to be an answer? Or evidence that 'strawman'
has no answer?
Clear enough for intelligent people, now prove your God actually
exist. My statement that I don't believe you is enough. You see I
don't give a ***** what you believe, as long as you don't ***** up some
one else life.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 03:27:46 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:14:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:peejf3lmjbv1apqjsts7ndh43osorqovqn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove to
us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who
will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
WTF???
How many straw men can you make per second?
10? 100? 1000?
No-one has produced even a feeble scrap of evidence for any
supernatural god since recorded history.
By the sound of your big mouth, you will have no trouble being the
very first person to do so!
(Or is the problem that you do not have a teensy tiny scrap of
anything even vaguely resembling evidence?)
Is that stupid rant supposed to be an answer? Or evidence that 'strawman'
has no answer?
I take it from that puerile and empty response that you do not have
any evidence whatsoever, and are merely attempting to avoid admitting
to that clear fact.
Go away, and stop wasting my time, please.
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
26 Sep 2007 02:51:38 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:qt5kf3l1cq4bqa4frao9iuudn7a2908s25@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:14:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:peejf3lmjbv1apqjsts7ndh43osorqovqn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:03:11 +0100, "Jim"
<jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <davbarnes@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:250920070735573387%davbarnes@gmail.com...
In article <kpnhf3pbkpairh05euh349sroq4h2bvljp@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:34:44 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<davbarnes@gmail.com>
wrote:
Question: Can the Pope ask to be taken off, or not be
put
on,
life
support?
I suppose.
You don't know?
No more than you do. Was there a point to the question or
were
you
stalling?
I'm just laughing at you. No one is required by God to allow
unrestrained
life
support of themselves. The idiot that wrote that we are
required
to
sustain
life at all costs is an idiot.
How do you know that no one is required by God to do anything?
He told us.
And you know that how?
He told us.
So you are just plain stupid. What a surprise. Next!
Ok Mr Barnes, suppose you prove to us there is no God and give us all
the
answers to the Universe, space and everything. Not forgetting to prove
to
us
that death is oblivion. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'crazies' who
will
bow to your superior wisdom, when they read the facts.
WTF???
How many straw men can you make per second?
10? 100? 1000?
No-one has produced even a feeble scrap of evidence for any
supernatural god since recorded history.
By the sound of your big mouth, you will have no trouble being the
very first person to do so!
(Or is the problem that you do not have a teensy tiny scrap of
anything even vaguely resembling evidence?)
Is that stupid rant supposed to be an answer? Or evidence that 'strawman'
has no answer?
I take it from that puerile and empty response that you do not have
any evidence whatsoever, and are merely attempting to avoid admitting
to that clear fact.
Go away, and stop wasting my time, please.
What fact? Seems to me you are wasting your own time. Just admit you can't
prove there is no God and go back to your X-Box.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Was John Paul II Euthanized? |
27 Sep 2007 09:44:26 AM |
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"Jim" <jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote
snip
What fact? Seems to me you are wasting your own time. Just admit you can't
prove there is no God and go back to your X-Box.
If you made the positive assertion, it's up to YOU to prove it.
BTW, feel free to prove there aren't any Leprechauns while you're at it.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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