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Thursday, May 03, 2007


Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything


One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?

Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.

I thought he was anti-Semolina, not anti-Semite. And wouldn't it be odd if
he were anti-himself since he met the dictionalry definition of a Semite?

Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.

But was he a leader? I understand that his books did not sell well. i find
them a very hard read.

Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.

That's only your opinion. In his opinion he was totally real.

Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.

I guess to get married that many times, it would help to sleep around
some, or did his wives die of boredom listening to philosophical ideas?

Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.

How does that disqualify one from being kind, honest and sober with a nice
family?

Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.

You keep saying these nasty things about kind, wonderful people.

Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.

And is there a better way to embezzle?

Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.

Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.

My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.

It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.

Why is that?

I don't know. The Catholic Church says I can't be a Saint or have any
friends. That's why I'm sad and lonely.

Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.

Never has leaders I never heard of. Interesting

Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.

And Atheism I would compare to a Big Mac with a milkshake and fries.

So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.

I always felt guilty about wanting to be a selfish creep, so you are right
about one thing at least.

Have you ever heard of A. Lincoln or B. Franklin, ot T. Jefferson?
There were also many others who, becasue of the prevailing political
stranglehold that religion has over the populace, were atheist but
pretending to be religious: Churchill, Ghandi..

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Thursday, May 03, 2007

Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything

One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?

NONE of these are political leaders fool!

Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.

My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.

It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.

Why is that?

Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.

Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.

So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.- Hide quoted text -

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In article <1179258780.397372.318...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
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Don't feed the troll, please.

-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.

On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything

One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?

Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.

He didn't drink, was happily married and raised six kids. Far from
being insane, he was considered an important figurre in English
intellectual circles.

Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.

Actually, he died of pneumonia.

Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.

Which has what to do a stable family life?

Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.

So?

Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.

Mao had a very stable family life, and wasn't an atheist.

Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.

There's a reason we called hum "Butt Head Astronomer" behind his back.
But again, you're wrong. Sagan led a very happy, fulfiling life
teaching and doing research.

My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.

Too bad for you.

It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.

You wouldn't want Mark Twain to come over in the evenings and spin
stories?

On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:

. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint.

An excellent example of the sheer stupidity of your post.
Fuckwit.

--
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?

On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:

One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?

Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately.

Of course. John Major comes to mind immediately. While we're at it,
can you find me an example of a Christian Idiot who recognizes that
Argumentum ad Hominem is logically fallacious?

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

On 15 May 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Sound of Trumpet

<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:

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Thursday, May 03, 2007

Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything

One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?

Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.

IIRC, what I was taught as a child, The Man of Steel, was a xtian.

Mao was a family man, and was not an atheist

Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.

Not an atheist leader: Sounds more like a xtian to me.