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20 Jan 2005 09:39:54 AM |
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Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese — the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
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| User: "000o|o000 P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 01:33:55 AM |
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"Witchtower Extra Edition" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in
message news:U6IT7WBH38372.1902893518@si93kru1.poster...
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
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No, these wicked spirits either come from hell or the bottom of a Jim Beam
bottle.... ;-)
--
Katzio......
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 22
"Avoid Independent Thinking . How is such
independent thinking manifested? A common way
is by questioning the counsel that is provided by
God's visible organization."
The WTS/GB wants you to become a mindless automaton.
Do not question what they say.
Do not think about what they say, just accept it.
Do not read the bible on your own, always use their "Aids."
Accept that the Governing Body believes itself equal to God.
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| User: "ResLight" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
20 Jan 2005 11:19:17 PM |
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"Witchtower Extra Edition" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in
message news:U6IT7WBH38372.1902893518@si93kru1.poster...
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese - the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell. Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time concerning races.
Brother Russell did not originate this theory. I remember a public school
teacher saying almost the same thing back in the 1950s. Thus I grew up
believing that if I moved to Africa and raised a family there, eventually my
descendants would be black. It was not until after I graduated from high
school that I came to see the fallacy of this theory.
Brother Russell never claimed any method of getting his information
"straight from Jehovah." Indeed, in this same article, he had just wrote:
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In attempting to account for the wide differences between whites and blacks,
and the lesser differences between these and the yellow, brown, and red, we
are treading upon uncertain ground,--as all ground must be in which our
imperfect knowledge and imperfect reasoning powers have not inspired
direction from the Lord's Word.
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If one reads Brother Russell's entire article, you will see that he was far
ahead of the general thinking of that time concerning the black race. Many
churches, especially in the South, were teaching that the black people were
beasts, not human (and some even claiming that the "negro" is without a
soul). I know, because I often heard this type of doctrine myself while
growing up in the Georgia during the 1950s. My family, however, taught me
that this was not so.
The entire article, "The Negro Not a Beast", is online at:
http://www.divineplan.org/htdbv5/r3042.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbv5/r3042.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/htdb0374.htm
Christian love,
Ronald
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| User: "000o|o000 P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 01:40:31 AM |
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"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:V%WHd.2196$cZ1.449@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Witchtower Extra Edition" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote
in
message news:U6IT7WBH38372.1902893518@si93kru1.poster...
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese - the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell
stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell.
## His IGNORANCE of inheritance is astounding!
Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time concerning races.
Brother Russell did not originate this theory. I remember a public school
teacher saying almost the same thing back in the 1950s.
## What happened to the "spirits" directing the GB?
Thus I grew up
believing that if I moved to Africa and raised a family there, eventually
my
descendants would be black. It was not until after I graduated from high
school that I came to see the fallacy of this theory.
## Oh come on! I learned about inheritance in JHS in the late 1950s!
Brother Russell never claimed any method of getting his information
"straight from Jehovah." Indeed, in this same article, he had just wrote:
## So just when did these spirits start giving "direction" and knowledge to
the WTS's GB/leaders?
If one reads Brother Russell's entire article, you will see that he was
far
ahead of the general thinking of that time concerning the black race. Many
churches, especially in the South, were teaching that the black people
were
beasts, not human (and some even claiming that the "negro" is without a
soul). I know, because I often heard this type of doctrine myself while
growing up in the Georgia during the 1950s. My family, however, taught me
that this was not so.
## What can/did you expect from southerners? They believed the bible and
believed in SLAVERY! Slavery was not against any of god's laws, now was
genocide or kidnapping *young* virgins for forced marriage/concubinage
(sexual abuse.)
You evidently never read the sigfile on PB's messages concerning black
people.
The entire article, "The Negro Not a Beast", is online at:
http://www.divineplan.org/htdbv5/r3042.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbv5/r3042.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/htdb0374.htm
Christian love,
Ronald
--
Katzio.......
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "ResLight" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 05:01:45 AM |
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"000o|o000" <P@P> wrote in message
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"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell
stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell.
## His IGNORANCE of inheritance is astounding!
He was talking acquiring charasteristics from the environment; he was not
talking about inheritance.
Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time concerning
races.
Brother Russell did not originate this theory. I remember a public school
teacher saying almost the same thing back in the 1950s.
## What happened to the "spirits" directing the GB?
What GB? There was no GB amongst the Bible Students, and still isn't.
Brother Russell never taught anything about a GB!
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
Thus I grew up
believing that if I moved to Africa and raised a family there, eventually
my
descendants would be black. It was not until after I graduated from high
school that I came to see the fallacy of this theory.
## Oh come on! I learned about inheritance in JHS in the late 1950s!
What can I say? The teaching of acquiring racial features from the
environment was still around then; some teachers evidently still believed
it, and there are people who still believe this.
Of course, this teaching of itself is based on the idea of acquiring racial
features from environment, not inheritance, except that once aquired from
the enviroment, then the racial features could be passed on to the children.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01294.htm
http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/ant570/topics/Skincolor.PDF
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-02.htm
Brother Russell never claimed any method of getting his information
"straight from Jehovah." Indeed, in this same article, he had just wrote:
## So just when did these spirits start giving "direction" and knowledge
to
the WTS's GB/leaders?
You will have to ask them about this. I am not with the JWs, nor was Charles
Taze Russell. The JW organization was formed by Joseph Rutherford after
Russell died.
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
http://reslight.addr.com/l-jws.html
If one reads Brother Russell's entire article, you will see that he was
far
ahead of the general thinking of that time concerning the black race.
Many
churches, especially in the South, were teaching that the black people
were
beasts, not human (and some even claiming that the "negro" is without a
soul). I know, because I often heard this type of doctrine myself while
growing up in the Georgia during the 1950s. My family, however, taught me
that this was not so.
## What can/did you expect from southerners? They believed the bible and
believed in SLAVERY!
They believed in a form of slavery quite different from the form of slavery
permitted under the Law of Moses.
Slavery was not against any of god's laws, now was
genocide or kidnapping *young* virgins for forced marriage/concubinage
(sexual abuse.)
This is evidently the way you interpret some of what you have read in the
Bible.
So I take it then that you also have similar distaste for Jesus and his God
as well as the Bible?
You evidently never read the sigfile on PB's messages concerning black
people.
Where does one find this sigfile?
In service of Jesus,
Ronald
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| User: "000o|o000 P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 06:36:19 AM |
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"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"000o|o000" <P@P> wrote in message
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"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:V%WHd.2196$cZ1.449@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell
stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell.
## His IGNORANCE of inheritance is astounding!
He was talking acquiring charasteristics from the environment; he was not
talking about inheritance.
$$ You first have to INHERIT something before you can pass it on.
Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time concerning
races.
Brother Russell did not originate this theory. I remember a public
school
teacher saying almost the same thing back in the 1950s.
## What happened to the "spirits" directing the GB?
What GB? There was no GB amongst the Bible Students, and still isn't.
Brother Russell never taught anything about a GB!
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
$$ Oh right,... that was on Rutherford's watch.
Thus I grew up
believing that if I moved to Africa and raised a family there,
eventually
my
descendants would be black. It was not until after I graduated from
high
school that I came to see the fallacy of this theory.
## Oh come on! I learned about inheritance in JHS in the late 1950s!
What can I say? The teaching of acquiring racial features from the
environment was still around then; some teachers evidently still believed
it, and there are people who still believe this.
$$ Anyone who still believes this must be living in the back jungles of
some 3rd world nation.
Of course, this teaching of itself is based on the idea of acquiring
racial
features from environment, not inheritance, except that once aquired from
the enviroment, then the racial features could be passed on to the
children.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01294.htm
http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/ant570/topics/Skincolor.PDF
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-02.htm
Brother Russell never claimed any method of getting his information
"straight from Jehovah." Indeed, in this same article, he had just
wrote:
## So just when did these spirits start giving "direction" and
knowledge
to
the WTS's GB/leaders?
You will have to ask them about this. I am not with the JWs, nor was
Charles
Taze Russell. The JW organization was formed by Joseph Rutherford after
Russell died.
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
http://reslight.addr.com/l-jws.html
$$ I guess it was Rutherford's fantasy then.. :-)
If one reads Brother Russell's entire article, you will see that he was
far
ahead of the general thinking of that time concerning the black race.
Many
churches, especially in the South, were teaching that the black people
were
beasts, not human (and some even claiming that the "negro" is without a
soul). I know, because I often heard this type of doctrine myself while
growing up in the Georgia during the 1950s. My family, however, taught
me
that this was not so.
## What can/did you expect from southerners? They believed the bible
and
believed in SLAVERY!
They believed in a form of slavery quite different from the form of
slavery
permitted under the Law of Moses.
Slavery was not against any of god's laws, now was
genocide or kidnapping *young* virgins for forced marriage/concubinage
(sexual abuse.)
This is evidently the way you interpret some of what you have read in the
Bible.
$$ It is quite plain and easy to understand. You need not be a nuclear
physicist to understand or interpret it. What's to interpret when the
writer says to keep/kidnap the young virgins for your own use? You need to
read the OT again.
So I take it then that you also have similar distaste for Jesus and his
God
as well as the Bible?
$$ If Jesus permitted slavery, genocide and forced marriages/concubinage -
then yes. I have better morals than these characters from the ancient past.
Don't you? Or do you believe we should still force rapists to marry their
victims and stoning to death disobedient children?
You evidently never read the sigfile on PB's messages concerning black
people.
Where does one find this sigfile?
$$ At the bottom of PB's posts.
In service of Jesus,
$$ Why would Jesus need a servant?
Ronald
--
Katzio.....
Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
~~~ }<(((({O> ~~~ }<{{{{(o> ~~~ }<(((({0> ~~~ }<{{{{{(ô> ~~~
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:20:17 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:36:19 -0600, "000o|o000" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
What can I say? The teaching of acquiring racial features from the
environment was still around then; some teachers evidently still believed
it, and there are people who still believe this.
$$ Anyone who still believes this must be living in the back jungles of
some 3rd world nation.
Like the US midwest?
--
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:17:42 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:01:45 GMT, "ResLight"
<reslight@reject.earthlink.net> said in alt.atheism:
So I take it then that you also have similar distaste for Jesus and his God
as well as the Bible?
Jesus was a Jew, so his god was the OT god. The same OT god that
ordered his people to rape the young virgin daughters of their
conquered enemy.
--
"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Fred Hall" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 05:12:19 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:01:45 GMT, "ResLight"
<reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote:
"000o|o000" <P@P> wrote in message
news:GZmdnfV6qcsRwG3cRVn-vA@heartoftn.net...
"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:V%WHd.2196$cZ1.449@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell
stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell.
## His IGNORANCE of inheritance is astounding!
He was talking acquiring charasteristics from the environment; he was not
talking about inheritance.
Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time concerning
races.
Brother Russell did not originate this theory. I remember a public school
teacher saying almost the same thing back in the 1950s.
## What happened to the "spirits" directing the GB?
What GB? There was no GB amongst the Bible Students, and still isn't.
Brother Russell never taught anything about a GB!
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
Thus I grew up
believing that if I moved to Africa and raised a family there, eventually
my
descendants would be black. It was not until after I graduated from high
school that I came to see the fallacy of this theory.
## Oh come on! I learned about inheritance in JHS in the late 1950s!
What can I say? The teaching of acquiring racial features from the
environment was still around then; some teachers evidently still believed
it, and there are people who still believe this.
Of course, this teaching of itself is based on the idea of acquiring racial
features from environment, not inheritance, except that once aquired from
the enviroment, then the racial features could be passed on to the children.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01294.htm
http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/ant570/topics/Skincolor.PDF
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-02.htm
Brother Russell never claimed any method of getting his information
"straight from Jehovah." Indeed, in this same article, he had just wrote:
## So just when did these spirits start giving "direction" and knowledge
to
the WTS's GB/leaders?
You will have to ask them about this. I am not with the JWs, nor was Charles
Taze Russell. The JW organization was formed by Joseph Rutherford after
Russell died.
http://reslight.addr.com/biblestudents.html
http://reslight.addr.com/l-jws.html
Would it be fair to say Joe 'Booze' Rutherford hijacked Russell's
movement? After CT's death, of course.
If one reads Brother Russell's entire article, you will see that he was
far
ahead of the general thinking of that time concerning the black race.
Many
churches, especially in the South, were teaching that the black people
were
beasts, not human (and some even claiming that the "negro" is without a
soul). I know, because I often heard this type of doctrine myself while
growing up in the Georgia during the 1950s. My family, however, taught me
that this was not so.
## What can/did you expect from southerners? They believed the bible and
believed in SLAVERY!
They believed in a form of slavery quite different from the form of slavery
permitted under the Law of Moses.
Are you trying to argue that slavery is acceptable under certain
circumstances?
Slavery was not against any of god's laws, now was
genocide or kidnapping *young* virgins for forced marriage/concubinage
(sexual abuse.)
This is evidently the way you interpret some of what you have read in the
Bible.
So I take it then that you also have similar distaste for Jesus and his God
as well as the Bible?
You evidently never read the sigfile on PB's messages concerning black
people.
Where does one find this sigfile?
At the end of each and every Prominent Bethelite post.
In service of Jesus,
Ronald
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
20 Jan 2005 10:20:54 PM |
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ResLight wrote:
"000o|o000" <P@P> wrote in message
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"ResLight" <reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell
stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell.
## His IGNORANCE of inheritance is astounding!
He was talking acquiring charasteristics from the environment; he was not
talking about inheritance.
Yes he was. This is standard Lamarkism and was debunked
way back when by Darwin.
So I take it then that you also have similar distaste for Jesus and his
God as well as the Bible?
This nonexistant god is represented as being rather stupid and nasty by the
OT writers.
Anybody nor repulsed by the OT is not to be trusted.
Jesus is represented in the NT as having prophesied he'd preside over the
end of the world and judgment day, not some 2000 years later, but 1900
years ago. This did not happen, xianity is no more real or useful than
voodoo or scientology.
*********************************
The outrageous failed prophecy of Jesus
that he'd preside over the end of the world
and judgment day itself 1930 years ago.
Jesus prophecied he'd preside over the end of
the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself,
(Matthew 16:27-8), he claims he will "come in his
kingdom"and "reward all men according to their
acts".
This is expanded on in Matthew 25:31-45.
He will come in the glory of his angels,
he will be "the King". He will ascend to his
"throne of glory" and gather the nations.
He will sort the "sheep" from the "goats" the
good from the evil. Good will be rewarded with
eternal life in heaven, evil will depart into
"everlasting fire prepared for the devil and
his apostles".
When? Matthew 16:27-8 has Jesus assuring his
lsteners that "some standing here" will live
to see this all happen. See also Mark 13:30.
Matthew 24-5 is one long pericope. A narrative.
Here we are assured that this will happen in
"this generation", Matthew 24:36, see also Luke
21, and Mark 13.
This generation will see the sun and moon fail, the
stars fall from heaven. Then Jesus will descend with
his fathers angels and "clouds of heaven".
This generation is to see this. Again, Matthew 24,
Mark 13, Luke 21.
He tells the high priest at Jerusalem that he
too will see Jesus descend with "clouds of heaven"
the same phrase he tells us "this generation"
is to see in Matthew 24:36. See also Mark 14:62.
The "high priest", "this generation", "Some standing
here did not see these things happen as prophecied.
No religion has ever failed as spectacularly in its
'prophecies' as has Christianity.
This also puts an end to Revelations, all of that
too was to have taken place some 1930 years ago.
Christianity thus is incredibly irrelevant to anything,
having utterly failed in the main claim of Jesus,
when none of this happened as prophecied, by Jesus,
alledged god himself according to many trinitarian
Christians.
You evidently never read the sigfile on PB's messages concerning black
people.
Where does one find this sigfile?
In service of Jesus,
Ronald
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Watchtower GB Got This Straight From Jehovah. |
21 Jan 2005 10:25:54 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:19:17 GMT, "ResLight"
<reslight@reject.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Witchtower Extra Edition" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in
message news:U6IT7WBH38372.1902893518@si93kru1.poster...
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese - the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
The above quote, taken out of context of what Brother Russell said as a
whole, and also out of context of the times in which Brother Russell stated
this, is designed to give one a bad impression of Brother Russell. Brother
Russell was only repeating a common theory of that time
Which he presumably agreed with. It might have been a 'common' theory
with some but it was certainly not mainstream thinking concerning our
origins.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Gerard van Wilgen" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:26:17 PM |
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few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
[en]
Apparently this phenomenon is limited to China, or else most Americans
should be starting to look like Red Indians by now!
[eo]
Ŝajnas ke tiu ĉi fenomeno estas ekskluzive ĉina, alie la plejmulto de
usonanoj nun ekaspektus kiel indianoj!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:49:44 AM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 09:39:54 -0000,
(Witchtower Extra Edition) wrote:
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese — the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
Is this really what these ignorant people tell one another?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Gerard van Wilgen" |
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20 Jan 2005 03:33:31 PM |
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Is this really what these ignorant people tell one another?
Is it really so much more ridiculous than believing that water can be
changed into wine, that homeopathy cures, that extraterrestrials kidnap
people, that one can predict the future using astrology, etc.
I think not.
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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| User: "wcb" |
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20 Jan 2005 12:51:17 AM |
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Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
Is this really what these ignorant people tell one another?
Is it really so much more ridiculous than believing that water can be
changed into wine, that homeopathy cures, that extraterrestrials kidnap
people, that one can predict the future using astrology, etc.
I think not.
There is a bible tall tale how Jacob cheated his benefactors by putting
spotted twigs in cattles' drinking water so their offspring were spotted.
(Jacob by agreement got the spotted cattle, the others got the solid
colored cattle).
That stupid xians can believe tripe like this is taken straight
from the bible, which also explains a lot of old wives tales.
The bible is stupid and it makes people who read it stupid,
offensively so.
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Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "RainLover" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:32:46 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:49:44 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 09:39:54 -0000,
(Witchtower Extra Edition) wrote:
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese — the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
Is this really what these ignorant people tell one another?
YES, it is.... and even more so, if they were reading and saw any of
their watchtower posted like this, they would SUE because all of it is
copywrited and they don't want this all to get out.
You should read about their thoughts on German in 1939:
Hitler is against big business...
Jews are Big Buisness...
We are against big business too.
Scary stuff.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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21 Jan 2005 10:21:32 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:32:46 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:49:44 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 09:39:54 -0000,
(Witchtower Extra Edition) wrote:
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese — the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
Is this really what these ignorant people tell one another?
YES, it is.... and even more so, if they were reading and saw any of
their watchtower posted like this, they would SUE because all of it is
copywrited and they don't want this all to get out.
You should read about their thoughts on German in 1939:
Hitler is against big business...
Jews are Big Buisness...
We are against big business too.
Scary stuff.
Indeed.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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20 Jan 2005 06:16:03 PM |
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Witchtower Extra Edition wrote:
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese - the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
This of course only happens to the children of the female missionary.
Oddly enough, several Chinese women in the congregation start having
children that look more like "white" people.
It has recently been noted that in the Chinese phrase translated as "Thank
you for your service." The word "service" had a different connotation from
what was assumed.
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| User: "Uncle Wobbly" |
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20 Jan 2005 10:38:10 PM |
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typical example of what happens when you get people that know nothing (GB)
start spouting and delivering their "wisdom" = bullsh1t.
the peeps of the congs are typical of when weak minded fools listen and act
upon it. = dribbling smiling morons
"Witchtower Extra Edition" <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header> wrote in
message news:U6IT7WBH38372.1902893518@si93kru1.poster...
We see here the evil spirits that talk to the Governing Body
know nothing about genetics or inheritance. Could such wicked
spirits come from God?
*** The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1902, p. 3043 ***
Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only
would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon
themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their
children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter
will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign
country will have increasingly resemblance to the Chinese - the
hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all
features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding
child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a
few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions
would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing
there were no intermarrying.
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