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"Joseph H" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:13:05 PM |
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WE ARE DUE THE TRUTH |
We are due the truth. It is not a natural right - how could it be
since our knowledge is still incomplete and since nature itself is
replete with guile and deception of every kind?
It may be a right in any society of which we are a part. But I want to
move away from notions of right. Right too often becomes a
letter-of-the-law, to be invoked and revoked as the occasion demands.
Our current affluence accentuates this trend. Our lives are are too
hectic, too full, to take time to examine the deceptions practised on
us. Thus, the two most powerful nations on earth are led by men whose
disrespect for truth is breath-taking. It is a disgrace.
I prefer the notion of demand, of insistence, of a moral imperative.
Rights, I fear, have leeched this quality out of our societies. We
should demand the truth; we should expect it "as of right".
But how can we do this unless we know the truth? We should make it
our business to know the truth. Much of it is already out in the
public domain. On the basis of the knowledgenow available we should
draw up a Charter for Humanity, a blueprint, a guide, a chart, of what
we should expect to achieve and perceive as human beings. This should
be our book as we move into a new millennium.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
Open your eyes and see the light
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| User: "Anticorporation" |
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| Title: Re: WE ARE DUE THE TRUTH |
13 Jan 2005 02:43:42 PM |
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"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0501131213.53d5d205@posting.google.com...
We are due the truth. It is not a natural right - how could it be
since our knowledge is still incomplete and since nature itself is
replete with guile and deception of every kind?
It may be a right in any society of which we are a part. But I want to
move away from notions of right. Right too often becomes a
letter-of-the-law, to be invoked and revoked as the occasion demands.
Our current affluence accentuates this trend. Our lives are are too
hectic, too full, to take time to examine the deceptions practised on
us. Thus, the two most powerful nations on earth are led by men whose
disrespect for truth is breath-taking. It is a disgrace.
I prefer the notion of demand, of insistence, of a moral imperative.
Rights, I fear, have leeched this quality out of our societies. We
should demand the truth; we should expect it "as of right".
But how can we do this unless we know the truth? We should make it
our business to know the truth. Much of it is already out in the
public domain. On the basis of the knowledgenow available we should
draw up a Charter for Humanity, a blueprint, a guide, a chart, of what
we should expect to achieve and perceive as human beings. This should
be our book as we move into a new millennium.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
Open your eyes and see the light
the only way to get the real truth and secret classified corporate govt.
documents is TO KILL AND DESTROY those who seek to deny you the truth. This
also means that many corrupt corporate media owners will have to die as well
for aiding and abetting the corrupt corporat terrorists who have taken over
our democratic republic through financial fraud and bribary.
This is the fucking truth.
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| User: "Uncle Festivus" |
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| Title: Re: WHY FOR CRISSAKES! |
13 Jan 2005 07:26:45 PM |
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Any politician who dares tell us the truth is doomed to
oblivion. We get our due as what we deserve. No point
blaming anyone else for out lot.
"Joseph H" <joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0501131213.53d5d205@posting.google.com...
We are due the truth. It is not a natural right - how could it be
since our knowledge is still incomplete and since nature itself is
replete with guile and deception of every kind?
It may be a right in any society of which we are a part. But I want to
move away from notions of right. Right too often becomes a
letter-of-the-law, to be invoked and revoked as the occasion demands.
Our current affluence accentuates this trend. Our lives are are too
hectic, too full, to take time to examine the deceptions practised on
us. Thus, the two most powerful nations on earth are led by men whose
disrespect for truth is breath-taking. It is a disgrace.
I prefer the notion of demand, of insistence, of a moral imperative.
Rights, I fear, have leeched this quality out of our societies. We
should demand the truth; we should expect it "as of right".
But how can we do this unless we know the truth? We should make it
our business to know the truth. Much of it is already out in the
public domain. On the basis of the knowledgenow available we should
draw up a Charter for Humanity, a blueprint, a guide, a chart, of what
we should expect to achieve and perceive as human beings. This should
be our book as we move into a new millennium.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
Open your eyes and see the light
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| User: "" |
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23 Jan 2005 04:29:00 AM |
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Then, dear Uncle Festivus, it's up to people like you (and me) to
create a climate where (a) truth is more acceptable and (b) a new truth
is seen or a very old truth is made visible.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "Zap" |
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23 Jan 2005 04:34:54 AM |
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<joseph@humanisation.org> wrote in message
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Then, dear Uncle Festivus, it's up to people like you (and me) to
create a climate where (a) truth is more acceptable and (b) a new truth
is seen or a very old truth is made visible.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
The Truth is only remembering what deep down inside you know.
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| User: "" |
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23 Jan 2005 02:41:47 PM |
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Hmmmmm? Tempting, but wrong.
Nemesis
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| User: "" |
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23 Jan 2005 05:07:50 AM |
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Then, dear Uncle Festivus, it's up to people like you (and me) to
create a climate where (a) truth is more acceptable and (b) a new truth
is seen or a very old truth is made visible.
Best wishes
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
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| User: "" |
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17 Feb 2005 03:38:46 PM |
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I fear that you live in an igloo of self-delusion and fantasy. But look
out: the ice is melting.
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| User: "" |
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20 Feb 2005 04:42:44 AM |
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You are so right: the ice is melting. Very soon we may experience a
global transformation that will put to the test the solidity,
so-called, of all our institutions. That's why we need to firm up on
our sense of what we are and what we may do. That's why we are due the
truth.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE MELTING ICE
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| User: "chameleon" |
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20 Feb 2005 01:29:28 PM |
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Put it in a single-malt Scotch and I will certainly wake up.
Nemesis
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| User: "" |
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20 Feb 2005 03:36:53 PM |
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You should try Irish whiskey. Has more body. Like Paul O'Connell.
Joseph H
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| User: "David V." |
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13 Jan 2005 06:43:22 PM |
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Joseph H wrote:
We are due the truth.
You can't handle the truth.
It is not a natural right
No.
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Dave
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "david" |
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13 Jan 2005 05:43:22 PM |
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Joseph H wrote:
We are due the truth. It is not a natural right - how could it be
since our knowledge is still incomplete and since nature itself is
replete with guile and deception of every kind?
It may be a right in any society of which we are a part. But I want to
move away from notions of right. Right too often becomes a
letter-of-the-law, to be invoked and revoked as the occasion demands.
Our current affluence accentuates this trend. Our lives are are too
hectic, too full, to take time to examine the deceptions practised on
us. Thus, the two most powerful nations on earth are led by men whose
disrespect for truth is breath-taking. It is a disgrace.
I prefer the notion of demand, of insistence, of a moral imperative.
Rights, I fear, have leeched this quality out of our societies. We
should demand the truth; we should expect it "as of right".
But how can we do this unless we know the truth? We should make it
our business to know the truth. Much of it is already out in the
public domain. On the basis of the knowledgenow available we should
draw up a Charter for Humanity, a blueprint, a guide, a chart, of what
we should expect to achieve and perceive as human beings. This should
be our book as we move into a new millennium.
Joseph H
www.humanisation.org
Open your eyes and see the light
Hows this for a start?
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and
inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation
of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in
barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the
advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech
and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the
highest aspiration of all people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse,
as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that
human rights should be protected by the rule of freedom for the common good,
Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations
between communities,
Whereas the peoples of the world have in the Charter reaffirmed their
faith in fundamental human and individual rights, in the dignity and
worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women
worldwidee and have determined to promote social progress and better
standards of life in larger freedom for the good of all,
Whereas Members of the human race have pledged themselves to achieve, in
co-operation with any and all other human beings, the promotion of
universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all,
Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the
greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,
Now, Therefore THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS proclaim as a
common standard of achievement for all peoples worldwide, to the end
that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this
Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education
to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive
measures, national and international, to secure universal and effective
recognition and observance, both among the peoples of the world,
themselves, and among all other peoples worldwide, the right to live
free and peacefully based on personal responsibility and prosperity for
the good of all.
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights as set
forth by Creator. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should
act towards one another in a spirit of cooperative peace, prosperity,
and growth for the good all instead of for the growth of a select few
at the expense of any/all others.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this
Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social
origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction
shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or
international status of any country, community or territory to which a
person chooses to belong, whether it be independent, trust,
non-self-governing, self-governing, or under any other
limitation/self-identification of sovereignty as defined by the
residents of any said sovereign, collective, community, village, and/or
residence. Individual rights are held as the most sovereign of all.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty, freedom and security of person.
Thereofore it is established in this Declaration that anything that
threatens life, liberty, freedom, and security shall be disempowered
and/or abolished for the good of all.
Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave
trade shall be prohibited in all their forms, including monetary and
financial slavery.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or punishment. Any person or group of persons subjecting
torture on an individual shall be marked and banished for a length of
time set forth by those victimized by torture as determined by the peers
chosen by the individual that has experience said torture.
Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a sovereign,
independent, free person regardless of laws set down by others in other
locations and belief structures.
Article 7.
All are equal when placed before any and all laws created by other
communities, states, nations, and are entitled without any
discrimination to equal protection from the laws set down by others
residing in said communities, states and nations. All are entitled to
equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this
Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by a competent community
tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him/her by
the constitutions or by laws set in motion by others.
Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an
independent and impartial tribunal composed of his/her peers of his/her
choice, in the determination of his/her rights and obligations, and of
any criminal charge against him/her.
Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offense as defined by others, has the
right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty by peers chosen by
the person charged with said crimes according to the laws set down in
this Declaration, in a public trial at which he/she has had all the
guarantees necessary for his/her defense provided at no cost.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any
act or omission which did not constitute a penal offense, under the laws
set forth under this Declaration. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed
than the ones that were applicable at the time the penal offense was
committed based on the laws/edicts of the time that said crimes were
committed .
Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his/her
privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his/her
honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of their
human rights to not be tampered with in any way shape or form.
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within
the borders of each state, country, principality, community, nation, or
any designation thereof unless convicted of heinous crimes against
others to include murder without provocation, torture, child
molestation, genocide, crimes against humanity or any other crime
against the personal sovereignty of any individual no matter their age
or status.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and
to return to his/her country without penalty unless convicted of a
heinous crime of his/her peers.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries
asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely
arising from non political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes
and principles of freedom for the good of all our relations set forth in
this Declaration.
Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality, or a lack of nationality if
so chosen. In addition, everyone has a right to choose to reclaim said
nationality without penalty if one so desires.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his/her nationality nor
denied the right to change his/her nationality. In addition, no one
shall have nationality forced upon them for any reason.
Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
nationality, religion or belief have the right to marry and to found a
family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent
of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and
is entitled to protection by society in order to ensure the health of
the people inhabiting said society.
Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to acquire ones own property alone as well as
in association with others who would share in said property for the life
of the owners heretofore defined as his/her spouse. Upon death of the
spousal union, said property then becomes the property of a community
based trust staffed by community members that are tasked to be caretaker
of said property until said property can be utilized by another
individual or spousal unit choosing to utilize said property for the
good of all in the community.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property without full
disclosure of reasons for deprivation of said property.
Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion and
belief; this right includes freedom to change his/her religion or
belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in
public or private, to manifest his/her religion or belief in teaching,
practice, worship and observance that does no harm to the community at
large.
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and peaceful
association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his
community, directly or through freely chosen representatives. Those
representatives are not free however, to enact laws that do benefit them
at the expense of others.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of their
community; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine
elections which shall be by universal edict proclaimed to strive for
equality and freedom for all to grow and prosper inside and outside
community life.
Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and
is entitled to realization, through individual and collective effort and
international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and
resources of each community, of the economic, social and cultural rights
indispensable for his/her dignity and the free development and
expression of his/her personality and beliefs.
Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work or to not work, to free choice of
employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection
against risks to health derived from ones chosen work.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for
equal work if one chooses to work for pay.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration
ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human
dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social
protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the
protection of his/her interests, personal growth, and well-being.
Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable
limitation of working hours as determined by the worker as well as
periodic holidays with pay also to be determined by the worker who
chooses to work for pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living that is more than
adequate for the health and well-being of himself/herself and of his/her
family, including food, clothing, housing, medical care and necessary
social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment,
sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in
circumstances beyond his/her control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and
assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy
the same social protection.
Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be in all cases
free, no matter the location. Elementary education choices shall be left
to the parent and as the child grows, to be chosen by the child in
order to benefit the child. Technical and professional education shall
be made widely available and higher education shall be equally
accessible to all for free with no cost associated with education.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and
friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
further the maintenance of peace, freedom, prosperity, and growth for
the good of all.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that
shall be given to their children until the child gains the age of
consent to be determined by the child.
Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of
the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement
and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material
interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production
of which he is the author.
Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the
rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and
full development of his personality is possible within said community.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be
subject only to such limitations as are determined by the individual
solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the
rights and freedoms of the individual and of others and of meeting the
just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a
society built along tenets of freedom for the individual as outlined
in the Declaration.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to
the purposes and principles of freedom for the individual.
Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any
State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform
any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms of
any other individual as set forth herein.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: WE ARE DUE THE TRUTH |
23 Jan 2005 02:39:31 PM |
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I am deeply impressed by this. It is rather ore serious than some of
the other stuff on offer ion this thread.
Nemesis
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Jan 2005 08:19:21 PM |
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On 23 Jan 2005 12:39:31 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
I am deeply impressed by this. It is rather ore serious than some of
the other stuff on offer ion this thread.
It is?
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"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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