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"Truth Hunter" |
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29 Feb 2004 02:18:24 PM |
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We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
The sinless innocent baby lamb must die that literally decreed by the
father God must be fulfill the OT's sacrificial law."without shedding
innocent of blood there is no forgiveness nor eternal life"
Jesus Christ died and satisfied father God's righteous requirement.
It wasn't evil for us to crucify Jesus,It's a dirty job but somebody
had to do it. Someone's got to protect the rest of us from the father
God's demand.
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 02:42:38 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Plonked by Angelicusrex 2/24/04
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Son of man" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 03:13:47 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949E816218313vicman@204.127.204.17...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not
created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Rebirth and hence suffering is what we need to be saved from.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Plonked by Angelicusrex 2/24/04
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 06:07:32 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:13:47 -0500, a stranger
called by some "Son of man" <bcozier@bellsouth.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Rebirth and hence suffering is what we need to be saved from.
It didn't work, since there is still massive suffering in the world.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 04:07:02 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:13:47 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> pontificated:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949E816218313vicman@204.127.204.17...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not
created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Rebirth and hence suffering is what we need to be saved from.
I don't think I could be reborn. Mom's uterus is a mite small for me
now. I could see how that would cause suffering though.
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 03:26:36 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Son of man:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns949E816218313vicman@204.127.204.17...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not
created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Rebirth and hence suffering is what we need to be saved from.
What is rebirth? Got any evidence there is such a thing?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Plonked by Angelicusrex 2/24/04
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Silver Blaze" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 03:25:34 PM |
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In article <Xns949E816218313vicman@204.127.204.17>, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Saved from false theologies perhaps?
(Such as Johannine-Paulism)
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Mar 2004 05:48:57 AM |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:42:38 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Or so you desperately hope.
If I was in your shoes, I'd be desperate also.
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE" |
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01 Mar 2004 02:21:30 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 05:48:57 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:42:38 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
Salvation from what? Modern science demonstrates that we were not created,
we evolved. No Adam & Eve, no Original Sin. We don't *really* have
anything to be saved from.
Or so you desperately hope.
If I was in your shoes, I'd be desperate also.
Yeah...and keep your kids away from the priest.
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Thomas Keske" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 06:26:58 PM |
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The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
A likely story. Can someone please how exactly
it is that getting shiskebobed on a skewer,
voluntarily, was accomplishing anything? Did it make
the human race any better behaved? I think that the
legacy of religion shows otherwise.
So, the Big Plan is to stay dead for couple thousand
years, and then return to finish the job that you didn't
do right, the first time? Need that much time to
catch your Second Wind? Why even bother to show up,
the first time around?
Supposedly, there have been souls sent to Heaven for
eternal bliss, and others damned to Hell for eternal
torment, through all past generations. What exactly
then is the point of having a "Judgement Day"? Hasn't
almost everybody that ever lived already been judged?
Isn't Judgement Day a bit of an anti-climax for all of these
dead people?
Oh, I'm sure that someone will come forward with
a blah-blah explanation of why this nonsense is
all supposed to make sense. Unfortunately, it will just
be another attempt to make sense out of nonsense by
spouting even more nonsense. There seems to be
a philosophy that one never loses an argument, as
long as one continues babbling.
I know that this suggestion will go straight through
your ears, and it is philosophical kind of question,
whether the Truth is still the Truth if it falls in a
forest where no one can here it. But I'll say it,
anyway. My dear Christians- your entire belief
system, everything that you hold dear and precious,
is nothing more than a load of utterly insane malarkey,
little better than the beliefs of primitive savages who
sacrifice virgins to appease "volcano gods".
Now *that* is a sacrifice with which we should
be impressed. Oh, how glowingly it transforms the world.
Tom Keske
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e164e783.0402291218.53e4aae4@posting.google.com...
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
The sinless innocent baby lamb must die that literally decreed by the
father God must be fulfill the OT's sacrificial law."without shedding
innocent of blood there is no forgiveness nor eternal life"
Jesus Christ died and satisfied father God's righteous requirement.
It wasn't evil for us to crucify Jesus,It's a dirty job but somebody
had to do it. Someone's got to protect the rest of us from the father
God's demand.
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Son of man" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 09:17:09 PM |
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"Thomas Keske" <TKeske@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01...
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
A likely story. Can someone please how exactly
it is that getting shiskebobed on a skewer,
voluntarily, was accomplishing anything? Did it make
the human race any better behaved? I think that the
legacy of religion shows otherwise.
So, the Big Plan is to stay dead for couple thousand
years, and then return to finish the job that you didn't
do right, the first time? Need that much time to
catch your Second Wind? Why even bother to show up,
the first time around?
Supposedly, there have been souls sent to Heaven for
eternal bliss, and others damned to Hell for eternal
torment, through all past generations. What exactly
then is the point of having a "Judgement Day"? Hasn't
almost everybody that ever lived already been judged?
Isn't Judgement Day a bit of an anti-climax for all of these
dead people?
Oh, I'm sure that someone will come forward with
a blah-blah explanation of why this nonsense is
all supposed to make sense. Unfortunately, it will just
be another attempt to make sense out of nonsense by
spouting even more nonsense. There seems to be
a philosophy that one never loses an argument, as
long as one continues babbling.
I know that this suggestion will go straight through
your ears, and it is philosophical kind of question,
whether the Truth is still the Truth if it falls in a
forest where no one can here it. But I'll say it,
anyway. My dear Christians- your entire belief
system, everything that you hold dear and precious,
is nothing more than a load of utterly insane malarkey,
little better than the beliefs of primitive savages who
sacrifice virgins to appease "volcano gods".
Now *that* is a sacrifice with which we should
be impressed. Oh, how glowingly it transforms the world.
Tom Keske
Well maybe if you'd listen you might understand what it is Christ actually
accomplished :
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/christ-son-of-buddha/giftofchrist.htm
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0402291218.53e4aae4@posting.google.com...
We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation
The sinless innocent baby lamb must die that literally decreed by the
father God must be fulfill the OT's sacrificial law."without shedding
innocent of blood there is no forgiveness nor eternal life"
Jesus Christ died and satisfied father God's righteous requirement.
It wasn't evil for us to crucify Jesus,It's a dirty job but somebody
had to do it. Someone's got to protect the rest of us from the father
God's demand.
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 11:06:15 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:17:09 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Thomas Keske" <TKeske@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01...
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
Well maybe if you'd listen you might understand what it is Christ actually
accomplished :
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/christ-son-of-buddha/giftofchrist.htm
No - why would quotes from the Bible influence people to trust the
truth of what is in the Bible?
If we havent already entered into the belief system where the world is
full of holy spirits and holy books then quoting from a holy book is
not going to magically make us enter into that world.
It doesn't work like that - never has - never will.
Some people need *something* to base their beliefs on - other that
beliefs.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Son of man" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
29 Feb 2004 11:18:45 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:j3h5401l7smger2ineth6uguuhnkld6ql0@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:17:09 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Thomas Keske" <TKeske@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01...
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
Well maybe if you'd listen you might understand what it is Christ
actually
accomplished :
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/christ-son-of-buddha/giftofchrist.htm
No - why would quotes from the Bible influence people to trust the
truth of what is in the Bible?
The scripture I refer to serves only as a secondary witness. If you'd like I
could say exactly the same thing without a single quote from the Bible. But
two witnesses are better than one, don't you agree?
If we havent already entered into the belief system where the world is
full of holy spirits and holy books then quoting from a holy book is
not going to magically make us enter into that world.
It doesn't work like that - never has - never will.
Some people need *something* to base their beliefs on - other that
beliefs.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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29 Feb 2004 11:59:25 PM |
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:18:45 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:j3h5401l7smger2ineth6uguuhnkld6ql0@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:17:09 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Thomas Keske" <TKeske@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01...
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
Well maybe if you'd listen you might understand what it is Christ
actually
accomplished :
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/christ-son-of-buddha/giftofchrist.htm
No - why would quotes from the Bible influence people to trust the
truth of what is in the Bible?
The scripture I refer to serves only as a secondary witness. If you'd like I
could say exactly the same thing without a single quote from the Bible. But
two witnesses are better than one, don't you agree?
I honestly dont know what you are talking about.
Which actually proves my point.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Son of man" |
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| Title: Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation |
01 Mar 2004 02:11:51 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:aak5409aftsh5n6rjv6bvumec4gj871r3h@4ax.com...
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:18:45 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Mark Richardson" <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
news:j3h5401l7smger2ineth6uguuhnkld6ql0@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:17:09 -0500, "Son of man"
<bcozier@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Thomas Keske" <TKeske@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01...
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
Well maybe if you'd listen you might understand what it is Christ
actually
accomplished :
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/christ-son-of-buddha/giftofchrist.htm
No - why would quotes from the Bible influence people to trust the
truth of what is in the Bible?
The scripture I refer to serves only as a secondary witness. If you'd
like I
could say exactly the same thing without a single quote from the Bible.
But
two witnesses are better than one, don't you agree?
I honestly dont know what you are talking about.
Sure you don't.
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| User: "TehGhodTrole" |
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01 Mar 2004 12:08:18 AM |
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Mark Richardson wrote:
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:18:45 -0500, "Son of man"
No - why would quotes from the Bible influence people to trust the
truth of what is in the Bible?
The scripture I refer to serves only as a secondary witness. If
you'd like I could say exactly the same thing without a single quote
from the Bible. But two witnesses are better than one, don't you
agree?
I honestly dont know what you are talking about.
I do...
Which actually proves my point.
But my knowing what he's on about implies nothing other than I
know what he's on about...
He is suggesting, either directly or indirectly, that he has access to a
source of revelation that is external to scripture. He is implying that his
source is better on the grounds that people can't trust scripture alone. It
has other implications, such as it is the same idea that led the Roman
Catholic Cult into ignominy, but that is the essence of what he is saying.
If I were you, which thankfully I am not, I would consign him to the eternal
abode of all illogical nitwits and nutters... the krillfile.
*plonk*
;->
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TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
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| Title: AQOTM nomination (Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation) |
29 Feb 2004 06:48:45 PM |
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Ned i bach <mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01>, Thomas Keske
<TKeske@Comcast.net> teithant i thiw hin:
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
I almost fell off my *chair* when I read that. Seconds, anyone?
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Xaonon, EAC Chief of Mad Scientists and informal BAAWA, aa #1821, Kibo #: 1
http://xaonon.dyndns.org/ Guaranteed content-free since 1999. No refunds.
"Uploading isn't a >H goal because it's one step closer to some mythical and
unknowable perfection, but because it'll be jolly practical." -- Rich Artym
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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29 Feb 2004 09:00:08 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 1 Mar 2004 00:48:45 GMT, Xaonon <xaonon@hotpop.com>
wrote:
Ned i bach <mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01>, Thomas Keske
<TKeske@Comcast.net> teithant i thiw hin:
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
I almost fell off my *chair* when I read that. Seconds, anyone?
Coitainly, I like it. Seconded. :-)
--
L8r,
Bill
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02 Mar 2004 04:03:10 AM |
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In article <4047a729.98893171@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
(Bill, The Avender) wrote:
In alt.atheism on 1 Mar 2004 00:48:45 GMT, Xaonon <xaonon@hotpop.com>
wrote:
Ned i bach <mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01>, Thomas Keske
<TKeske@Comcast.net> teithant i thiw hin:
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
I almost fell off my *chair* when I read that. Seconds, anyone?
Coitainly, I like it. Seconded. :-)
Recorded.
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L8r,
Bill
/.-+-/,\-*+.\-/--,*/-\+.--\*/,+--/.\
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"geneaology (jeen-ee-ALL-uh-gee)
- (noun) The study of Barbara Eden."
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Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination (Re: We human had to kill Jesus for our salvation) |
29 Feb 2004 09:09:39 PM |
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Xaonon <xaonon@hotpop.com> wrote in
news:slrnc451v4.3tc.xaonon@xaonon.local:
Ned i bach <mrv0c.426332$I06.4798550@attbi_s01>, Thomas Keske
<TKeske@Comcast.net> teithant i thiw hin:
The crucifixion of Jesus reminds me of a scene in
a Pee-Wee Herman movie, where Pee-Wee fell off
of a bicycle, picked himself up, and proclaimed,
"I meant to do that!".
I almost fell off my *chair* when I read that. Seconds, anyone?
Seconded. Can you nominate the whole post?
Llanzlan.
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