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"Nomen Nescio" |
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19 Sep 2005 06:20:01 PM |
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We were not "created" |
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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19 Sep 2005 09:41:02 PM |
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Creationism is a needless exercise in futility.
Correct.
So is the "Big Bang" theory.
Except for that pesky redshift and that meddling microwave background
radiation.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Bill" |
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19 Sep 2005 07:33:38 PM |
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
A very simple but yet a profound statement!
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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19 Sep 2005 11:20:41 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for
it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
A very simple but yet a profound statement!
Yes it is. And in light of all we now know (and are learning even more each
day),
it astounds me that so many people so resolutely believe that a relatively
obscure
1st-century Jew was really the creator of the universe. If one can believe
that in
this day and age, what will these people *not* believe? Oh, there *is*
something
that comes to mind: that God doesn't really exist. That, I suppose, is too
much
difficult for their minds to comprehend.
Greywolf
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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19 Sep 2005 08:00:12 PM |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
However, not everything in the universe was, is and always will be now
and ever and forever, including both the writer and responders of your
post. The earth will ultimately be uninhabitable and destruct, as do
stars and their planets as viewed by astronomy. Just what is it then,
that always was, is and will ever be? So what is the bottom line in
your theory?
--
Denny
"There cannot be a God because, If there were one, I would
not believe that I were not He." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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| User: "Bill" |
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20 Sep 2005 01:08:58 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for
it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
However, not everything in the universe was, is and always will be now
and ever and forever, including both the writer and responders of your
post. The earth will ultimately be uninhabitable and destruct, as do
stars and their planets as viewed by astronomy. Just what is it then,
that always was, is and will ever be? So what is the bottom line in
your theory?
--
Denny
All living matter and chemical compounds are transient. Over time they
metamorphous into different
entities BUT their basic ingredient - atoms, electrons and neutrons continue
to exist. It is this basic
material that probably always was and always will be. The Universe
supposedly formed over 13 Billion
years ago. In the perspective of human life times and existence this is
essentially an eternity.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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22 Sep 2005 09:32:06 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, dgillesp poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
....
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
However, not everything in the universe was, is and always will be now
and ever and forever, including both the writer and responders of your
post. The earth will ultimately be uninhabitable and destruct, as do
stars and their planets as viewed by astronomy. Just what is it then,
that always was, is and will ever be? So what is the bottom line in
your theory?
The bottom line here is that you are presenting a Fallacy of
Composition. The claim was made that the universe is eternal. The fact
that some components of the universe are transient does not establish
that the universe is also transient.
Regards,
Josef
Ideals are very often formed in the effort to escape from the hard task
of dealing with facts.
-- William Sumner
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| User: "" |
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21 Sep 2005 03:20:32 PM |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
The existence of the Universe is a proven fact;
How do you know? Perhaps you are just an amorphous blob plugged into
some kind of machine that feeds you perception impulses, like "The
Matrix", but, instead of this machine serving/enslaving millions of
actual humans, it only exists for your benefit (and you aren't a real
human at all), and the rest of us are merely computer-generated.
My understanding is that some Eastern religions/philosophies consider
Perception itself to be mere illusion.
Curtis
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| User: "Eric Rudmin" |
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20 Sep 2005 12:43:29 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:20:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
I understand this is your response to a first-cause request...
universe(time-space) is eternal so had no beginning so is not an
effect so needs no cause but I thought the concept of eternity or
infinity is contrary to nature or science? I know they say energy
can't be destroyed but this just means that it has no end, not that it
had no beginning.
Btw, didn't Steven Hawking say the universe had a beginning? Then
again, maybe he was referring to oscillating big bang theory or
whatever they call it.
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| User: "navi-gater" |
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20 Sep 2005 07:39:45 PM |
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Eric Rudmin <1@1.com> wrote in
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Btw, didn't Steven Hawking say the universe had a beginning? Then
again, maybe he was referring to oscillating big bang theory or
whatever they call it.
Unless this has changed, Hawking was speculating about a Universe which in
fact had no end or beginning.
The analogy would be that of the Earth itself. If you start at the North
Pole and go somewhere in a straight line you get to the South Pole. If you
continue from there you simply wind up at the North Pole again....
Hawking speculates that the Universe may be similar in terms of time.
Rather than the distance between Poles on the Earth, Hawking talks about
time being the "distance" in this model of the universe. So rather than
time starting (big bang) and then ending (big crunch), this model would
instead say that time can be finite and yet have no boundaries.
Last time I looked, no one had found a good way to disprove (or prove) this
theory.
gater.
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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20 Sep 2005 04:26:47 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:20:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
Since everything in the Universe has a beginning and ending, there is
no reason to believe the Universe itself has no beginning and ending.
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
The problem is, the existence of the Universe may not be permanent.
Your proven fact is only temporary. It's not the ultimate truth and
reality.
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| User: "Bill" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:53:49 AM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:20:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
Since everything in the Universe has a beginning and ending, there is
no reason to believe the Universe itself has no beginning and ending.
Your technical knowledge is quite limited. There are only physical phases
that have beginnings and ends.
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
When an animal or vegiatation dies it is the end of the animal and
vegitation but they are converted into
other forms of matter. The atoms do not end or disappear. When organic
matter is burned it is merely
converted into other forms of matter like carbon and gases.
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
The problem is, the existence of the Universe may not be permanent.
Your proven fact is only temporary. It's not the ultimate truth and
reality.
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| User: "Kant" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:43:05 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:20:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for
it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
Since everything in the Universe has a beginning and ending, there is
no reason to believe the Universe itself has no beginning and ending.
Your technical knowledge is quite limited. There are only physical phases
that have beginnings and ends.
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
When an animal or vegiatation dies it is the end of the animal and
vegitation but they are converted into
other forms of matter. The atoms do not end or disappear. When organic
matter is burned it is merely
converted into other forms of matter like carbon and gases.
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
The problem is, the existence of the Universe may not be permanent.
Your proven fact is only temporary. It's not the ultimate truth and
reality.
What proven fact?
All I see is a strawman argument.
God created the universe.
Entropy is the rule and not exception.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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21 Sep 2005 10:22:52 AM |
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"Kant" <Kant@Hell.com> wrote:
God created the universe.
You would need to provide evidence for these gods of yours, then
you could start providing evidence that they created a Universe.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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20 Sep 2005 01:12:40 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:53:49 -0400, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:20:01 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Creationism is a needless exercise in futility. So is the "Big Bang"
theory.
There is good reason to say creation of the Universe was not needed for it
"always was, is, and always will be". Just like a circle. A perfect
geometric circle has no "beginning" and no "end". It just goes round and
round. Why not the Universe?
Since everything in the Universe has a beginning and ending, there is
no reason to believe the Universe itself has no beginning and ending.
Your technical knowledge is quite limited. There are only physical phases
that have beginnings and ends.
And the physical phases of the Universe can not be any exception.
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
When an animal or vegiatation dies it is the end of the animal and
vegitation but they are converted into
other forms of matter. The atoms do not end or disappear. When organic
matter is burned it is merely
converted into other forms of matter like carbon and gases.
What you are describing is the energy transition throughout different
forms. The different forms may appear and disappear thus giving you
the illusion of circle, but the energy is never circulatory.
You say, God always was, is and always will be. Same theory, but I skip
one unnecessary step. No God, just the Universe. The existence of the
Universe is a proven fact; God is not.
The problem is, the existence of the Universe may not be permanent.
Your proven fact is only temporary. It's not the ultimate truth and
reality.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Sep 2005 08:33:44 AM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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24 Sep 2005 10:11:38 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.notserver.com/
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
Bush is a Christian. Get over it!
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Sep 2005 10:28:39 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
Maybe it creates a giant space amoeba in another universe which farts
hydrogen and helium leading to a new localized universe? :)
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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26 Sep 2005 08:38:03 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:28:39 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
Maybe it creates a giant space amoeba in another universe which farts
hydrogen and helium leading to a new localized universe? :)
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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26 Sep 2005 11:31:25 PM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:28:39 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have
no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
Maybe it creates a giant space amoeba in another universe which farts
hydrogen and helium leading to a new localized universe? :)
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Sep 2005 09:20:22 AM |
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"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:28:39 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have
no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked
into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
Maybe it creates a giant space amoeba in another universe which farts
hydrogen and helium leading to a new localized universe? :)
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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27 Sep 2005 10:44:11 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:20:22 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Vf2dnbtcob2EVqXeRVn-uA@comcast.com...
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:2b8hj11lqbkcsgrm9ueishlfvffq58hbqb@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:28:39 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Bill <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The evidence is that the basics, atoms, electrons and neutrons have
no
beginning or end.
Untrue. All matters in the universe have their beginnings and ends.
That includes any basic matters that you can think of.
Hey Eric, what do you think happens to the stuff that gets sucked
into
a black hole? What's your personal theory?
Satan eats it? Opra eats it?
Maybe it creates a giant space amoeba in another universe which farts
hydrogen and helium leading to a new localized universe? :)
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
27 Sep 2005 12:33:00 PM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
27 Sep 2005 07:26:28 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:33:00 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told him
about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with him. And
I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
27 Sep 2005 07:36:16 PM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in
news:fjojj1l0stme2eot3vrqg3v5knq5u5bgov@4ax.com:
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:33:00 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric claims to have spoken to the creator of the entire universe
itself, so I was wondering what his personal creator god told
him about it.
Please do not distort what I said, sir.
I met God face to face, but I never had a chance to talk with
him. And I do not speak for God in any way. Never.
Are you saying that you're better than Moses? According
to the bible, even he couldn't survive seeing your god
face to face. He just got a glimpse of the holy rump.
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be
"god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my
vision, and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
You know, there are medications that can help this sort of schizophrenia.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 06:15:30 AM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 08:17:09 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:15:30 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
No, I don't know. I think almost everybody who has the least bit of
spiritual knowledge understands the existence of mind eye.
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
I have nothing to say about black holes. Why should I care? I'll leave
it to the scientists.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 08:38:21 AM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
No, I don't know.
Yes you do, you just refuse to accept it.
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
I have nothing to say about black holes. Why should I care? I'll leave
it to the scientists.
Haven't you read about them? Surely you have an opinion based on your
spiritual mind eye, don't you?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 10:36:03 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:38:21 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Eric just saw a picture of a Chinese old fart and claims it to be "god".
You forgot to mention my vision of God before I saw his picture for
the first time in my life. That picture convinced me about my vision,
and the whole incident changed my life ever since.
Your eyes were closed at the time, so what makes you think you
actually met god?
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
No, I don't know.
Yes you do, you just refuse to accept it.
It would be hard to vividly imagine someone whom I have never seen
before, but saw his picture a week later instead. Don't you think so?
Can you tell me how that happened, Mr. Einstein?
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
I have nothing to say about black holes. Why should I care? I'll leave
it to the scientists.
Haven't you read about them? Surely you have an opinion based on your
spiritual mind eye, don't you?
Not really. My interest is in the spiritual truth, not the physical
phenomenon.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 03:52:34 PM |
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Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
No, I don't know.
Yes you do, you just refuse to accept it.
It would be hard to vividly imagine someone whom I have never seen
before, but saw his picture a week later instead. Don't you think so?
Can you tell me how that happened, Mr. Einstein?
As soon as you post the picture we can discuss it further. Given that
many people report seeing god in their oatmeal, or in the bark on a
tree, or in the reflections on a window, I'd say you're probably in
the same league as them, Mr. Mysticman.
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
I have nothing to say about black holes. Why should I care? I'll leave
it to the scientists.
Haven't you read about them? Surely you have an opinion based on
your spiritual mind eye, don't you?
Not really. My interest is in the spiritual truth, not the physical
phenomenon.
Can a black hole destroy a spirit? C'mon, you can make a guess, can't
you?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: We were not "created" |
28 Sep 2005 10:51:31 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:52:34 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I had my vision while I was meditating. My mind eye was temporarily
opened by God during the vision.
Mind eye is just a phrase meaning imagination or hallucination, don't
you know?
No, I don't know.
Yes you do, you just refuse to accept it.
It would be hard to vividly imagine someone whom I have never seen
before, but saw his picture a week later instead. Don't you think so?
Can you tell me how that happened, Mr. Einstein?
As soon as you post the picture we can discuss it further.
First of all, you don't need the picture in order to answer my
question. It is only a logical question. The fact is, I can not
imagine someone in my vision first, and saw his picture from someone
else later. Therefore, my vision is a real vision, and I did see God
face to face in my vision.
Secondly, the picture of God is sacred, I'm not sure you are qualified
to see it.
:-)
Given that
many people report seeing god in their oatmeal, or in the bark on a
tree, or in the reflections on a window, I'd say you're probably in
the same league as them, Mr. Mysticman.
I'm not a mystic man. I'm just an ordinary guy.
BTW, you never answered my question about black holes.
I have nothing to say about black holes. Why should I care? I'll leave
it to the scientists.
Haven't you read about them? Surely you have an opinion based on
your spiritual mind eye, don't you?
Not really. My interest is in the spiritual truth, not the physical
phenomenon.
Can a black hole destroy a spirit? C'mon, you can make a guess, can't
you?
I don't have to guess. The answer is no. Physical illusion has no
control over spirit.
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