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14 Apr 2005 10:18:54 AM |
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What a way to go |
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks 10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang, others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
According to Sir Martin Rees, author of Our Final Century, astronomer
royal and professor of cosmology and astrophysics at the University of
Cambridge, humans only have a 50-50 chance of making it through the
21st century without serious setback. "Some natural threats, such as
earthquakes and meteorite impacts, remain the same throughout time,
while others are aggravated by our modern-interconnected world. But now
we also need to consider threats that are human induced."
So what are the greatest threats to humans and can we do anything about
them? Below, 10 scientists talk about their greatest fears and explain
how society could be affected. Afterwards we estimate each threat in
two ways: first, the chance of it occurring in our lifetime (the next
70 years); and, second, the danger that it would pose to the human race
if it did happen (10 = making humans extinct, to one = barely having an
impact on our lives).
Life
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/
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| User: "JTEM" |
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14 Apr 2005 10:55:17 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
#2 is just plain retarded.
| Telomere erosion could explain the disappearance of a
| seemingly successful species, such as Neanderthal man,
| with no need for external factors such as climate change
How?
Neanderthals didn't simply drop out of the sky one day.
In a sense, their genes were actually younger than our
own when they were wiped out. They shared the same
genetic origins as us -- even as far as the out of Africa
purists are concerned -- yet here we still are tens of
thousands of years after they're gone.
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| User: "Tom" |
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14 Apr 2005 11:36:30 AM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks 10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang, others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
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| User: "Niels van der Linden" |
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| Title: Re: What a way to go |
14 Apr 2005 01:38:26 PM |
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Brilliant
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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14 Apr 2005 03:01:17 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
Excellent! I especially liked the 1=0 discussion:
"Proving that 1=0. If one did indeed equal zero, so it is reasoned,
then since there is one Earth, there must be zero Earths... so, if one
could prove it, the Earth would cease to exist. This is specious logic.
Finding a proof in mathematics does not magically change a fact from
being false to being true. It merely verifies rigorously as true a fact
that always was true. Thus, if 1=0 could be proved, then it would
always have been true and the Earth should never have existed. But
Earth is still here. QED."
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| User: "U.O" |
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14 Apr 2005 06:59:56 PM |
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"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1113490877.557767.115890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
Excellent! I especially liked the 1=0 discussion:
"Proving that 1=0. If one did indeed equal zero, so it is reasoned,
then since there is one Earth, there must be zero Earths... so, if one
could prove it, the Earth would cease to exist. This is specious logic.
Finding a proof in mathematics does not magically change a fact from
being false to being true. It merely verifies rigorously as true a fact
that always was true. Thus, if 1=0 could be proved, then it would
always have been true and the Earth should never have existed. But
Earth is still here. QED."
Oh dear.
http://tinyurl.com/4m2y2
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| User: "Stan Gosnell, FCD" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:16:17 AM |
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"U.O" <km_anka@hotmail.com> wrote in news:I4z7e.1056$184.399@amstwist00:
Oh dear.
http://tinyurl.com/4m2y2
What a maroon. I've seen some ignorant things on the internet, but that
just takes the cake. If he can't understand first grade arithmetic, then
he belongs in my bozo bin. <plonk>
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Regards,
Stan
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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16 Apr 2005 11:19:21 PM |
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In article <Xns9639E28EC54EFmework@204.52.135.8>,
"Stan Gosnell, FCD" <me@work.com> wrote:
"U.O" <km_anka@hotmail.com> wrote in news:I4z7e.1056$184.399@amstwist00:
Oh dear.
http://tinyurl.com/4m2y2
What a maroon. I've seen some ignorant things on the internet, but that
just takes the cake. If he can't understand first grade arithmetic, then
he belongs in my bozo bin. <plonk>
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Gotta be a troll -- no one is that dumb!
earle
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| User: "John Vreeland" |
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14 Apr 2005 11:01:54 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:59:56 +0200, "U.O" <km_anka@hotmail.com> wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1113490877.557767.115890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
Excellent! I especially liked the 1=0 discussion:
"Proving that 1=0. If one did indeed equal zero, so it is reasoned,
then since there is one Earth, there must be zero Earths... so, if one
could prove it, the Earth would cease to exist. This is specious logic.
Finding a proof in mathematics does not magically change a fact from
being false to being true. It merely verifies rigorously as true a fact
that always was true. Thus, if 1=0 could be proved, then it would
always have been true and the Earth should never have existed. But
Earth is still here. QED."
Oh dear.
http://tinyurl.com/4m2y2
Hey that link doesn't go anywhere. No place intelligent, anyway. I
think the author must never have existed. Or, well, you know.
John Vreeland (Vreejack)
"Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!"--_Ivanhoe_
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| User: "Pithecanthropus Erectus" |
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15 Apr 2005 05:21:26 PM |
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John Vreeland wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:59:56 +0200, "U.O" <km_anka@hotmail.com> wrote:
"VoiceOfReason" <papa_fox@cybertown.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1113490877.557767.115890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
Excellent! I especially liked the 1=0 discussion:
"Proving that 1=0. If one did indeed equal zero, so it is reasoned,
then since there is one Earth, there must be zero Earths... so, if one
could prove it, the Earth would cease to exist. This is specious logic.
Finding a proof in mathematics does not magically change a fact from
being false to being true. It merely verifies rigorously as true a fact
that always was true. Thus, if 1=0 could be proved, then it would
always have been true and the Earth should never have existed. But
Earth is still here. QED."
Oh dear.
http://tinyurl.com/4m2y2
Hey that link doesn't go anywhere. No place intelligent, anyway. I
think the author must never have existed. Or, well, you know.
John Vreeland (Vreejack)
"Will future ages believe that such stupid bigotry ever existed!"--_Ivanhoe_
I only made it to 103 Level Algebra in college and so I may not be
qualified to critique the math on that page.
But I think I see an error in the premise, with the statement that the
sq root of 2 = 1, or that 1 x 1 = 2.
I wonder if he was Rama's engineer, and if that is the real reason that
there is a dent in the titanium at the South Pole of the moon?
--
"God Forbid we should actually test anything."
Creationism
"The curses of Deuteronomy 28 will plague America until we return to God
(Ps 9:17). Wealth and military might are not substitutes for God-given
character and blessing. Freedom comes, not from democracy, but Jesus
Christ. The outline below lists our wars & keys to victory. May God lead
us in the strategic and tactical prayers that are required!"
Capitol Hill Action Network, 2005
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| User: "John S. Wilkins" |
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14 Apr 2005 11:29:09 PM |
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Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks 10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang, others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
The simplest method listed is "Gay Marriage".
--
John S. Wilkins
Postdoctoral Research Fellow
Biohumanities Project
School of History, Philosophy, Religion and Classics
The University of Queensland
Brisbane, QLD 4072, Australia
Tel +61 7 3365 6348
Mobile 0418 543 856
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15 Apr 2005 07:13:44 AM |
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John S. Wilkins wrote:
Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
The simplest method listed is "Gay Marriage".
"Listen, do this and you'll save water. Let it rain for forty days and
forty nights and wait for the sewers to back up."
Cosby, W attr. Noah
Ian
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Ian H Spedding
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:53:18 AM |
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wrote:
John S. Wilkins wrote:
Tom wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113473934.477248.136090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious
asks
10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang,
others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to hyperlink "How to
Destroy
the Earth"
http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/destroy.html
The simplest method listed is "Gay Marriage".
"Listen, do this and you'll save water. Let it rain for forty days
and
forty nights and wait for the sewers to back up."
Cosby, W attr. Noah
"Riiiiiiiiiiiight..." - God
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| User: "Noone Inparticular" |
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15 Apr 2005 05:05:11 PM |
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maff wrote:
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks 10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang, others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
According to Sir Martin Rees, author of Our Final Century, astronomer
royal and professor of cosmology and astrophysics at the University
of
Cambridge, humans only have a 50-50 chance of making it through the
21st century without serious setback. "Some natural threats, such as
earthquakes and meteorite impacts, remain the same throughout time,
while others are aggravated by our modern-interconnected world. But
now
we also need to consider threats that are human induced."
So what are the greatest threats to humans and can we do anything
about
them? Below, 10 scientists talk about their greatest fears and
explain
how society could be affected. Afterwards we estimate each threat in
two ways: first, the chance of it occurring in our lifetime (the next
70 years); and, second, the danger that it would pose to the human
race
if it did happen (10 = making humans extinct, to one = barely having
an
impact on our lives).
Life
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/
One of the ways human life is supposed to end was proposed by an MD, Dr
Reinhard Stindl. He claims that telomeres are shortening over
generations, meaning that we will soon be extinct. This process, he
claims, can explain "...the disappearance of a seemingly successful
species, such as Neanderthal man, with no need for external factors
such as climate change."
Good grief. We're done for.
What mechanism do you suppose the good doctor proposes for the
*heritability* of incredible shrinking telomeres?
I read his nicely written paper on this
(http://www.meduniwien.ac.at/user/reinhard.stindl/pdfs/Stindl2004b.pdf)
but could find no mechanism which might account for it.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Maff accidently posts something relevent (was) Re: What a way to go |
15 Apr 2005 08:05:02 PM |
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On 15 Apr 2005 10:05:11 -0700, "Noone Inparticular"
<unreve89@hotmail.com> wrote:
maff wrote:
What a way to go
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1458536,00.html
Super-volcano, robotic rebellion or terrorism? Kate Ravilious asks 10
scientists to name the biggest danger to Earth and assesses the
chances
of it happening
Thursday April 14, 2005
The Guardian
How will it all end? Some say we are likely to go with a bang, others
predict a slow lingering end, while the optimists suggest we will
overcome our difficulties by evolving into a different species.
According to Sir Martin Rees, author of Our Final Century, astronomer
royal and professor of cosmology and astrophysics at the University
of
Cambridge, humans only have a 50-50 chance of making it through the
21st century without serious setback. "Some natural threats, such as
earthquakes and meteorite impacts, remain the same throughout time,
while others are aggravated by our modern-interconnected world. But
now
we also need to consider threats that are human induced."
So what are the greatest threats to humans and can we do anything
about
them? Below, 10 scientists talk about their greatest fears and
explain
how society could be affected. Afterwards we estimate each threat in
two ways: first, the chance of it occurring in our lifetime (the next
70 years); and, second, the danger that it would pose to the human
race
if it did happen (10 = making humans extinct, to one = barely having
an
impact on our lives).
Life
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/
One of the ways human life is supposed to end was proposed by an MD, Dr
Reinhard Stindl. He claims that telomeres are shortening over
generations, meaning that we will soon be extinct. This process, he
claims, can explain "...the disappearance of a seemingly successful
species, such as Neanderthal man, with no need for external factors
such as climate change."
Good grief. We're done for.
What mechanism do you suppose the good doctor proposes for the
*heritability* of incredible shrinking telomeres?
I read his nicely written paper on this
(http://www.meduniwien.ac.at/user/reinhard.stindl/pdfs/Stindl2004b.pdf)
but could find no mechanism which might account for it.
A missing mechanism isn't Stindl's only problem. If telomeres are
indeed shortening with each generation, then there should be a slight
but demonstrable trend for the physical signs of aging to appear
slightly earlier in each successive generation. No such trend can be
shown to exist. Ergo, the good doctor is likely mistaken. <G>
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