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"The Big Creep" |
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30 May 2004 02:25:29 PM |
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What are your thoughts on Calvinism? |
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31 May 2004 11:30:55 AM |
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(The Big Creep) wrote:
I wouldn't ***** him, no.
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30 May 2004 02:30:18 PM |
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Dunno? Is that the one that forbids dancing? If so,
I'd say Calvin must have been a white man.
Uthur
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30 May 2004 04:36:13 PM |
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In talk.atheism Uthur <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Dunno? Is that the one that forbids dancing? If so,
I'd say Calvin must have been a white man.
Nah, that's baptists that forbid dancing. Calvinism is basically
predetermanism.
Q: Why don't baptists allow sex while standing up?
A: It looks too much like dancing.
Uthur
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11 Nov 2004 09:16:03 PM |
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And it came to pass, that wrote:
atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
in the holy book of talk.atheism.
But will that still be true next week?
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| User: "St. Jackanapes" |
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12 Nov 2004 02:14:54 AM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, ***** Foot said...
And it came to pass, that wrote:
atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
in the holy book of talk.atheism.
But will that still be true next week?
Atheism has no holy book, *****. Do you even understand what atheism
means?
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| User: "duke" |
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13 Nov 2004 02:22:29 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:14:54 -0500, St. Jackanapes <JesusGotABoner@ChurchLastSunday.org>
wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, ***** Foot said...
And it came to pass, that wrote:
atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
in the holy book of talk.atheism.
But will that still be true next week?
Atheism has no holy book, *****. Do you even understand what atheism
means?
yep - loser.
duke
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14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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12 Nov 2004 12:35:55 PM |
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What are my thoughts on Calvinism?
Like Thomas Jefferson, I don't think much of Calvin or his religion.
"His [Calvin's] religion was demonism. If ever a man worshiped a
false god, he did. The being described in his five points is ... a
demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in
no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of
Calvin."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Works, 1829 edition
vol. 4, p. 322, quoted from Franklin Steiner
How does this quote grab you?
"We may rest assured that God would never have suffered any
infants to be slain except those who were already damned and
predestined for eternal death."
--John Calvin
Which was worse, John Calvin or Martin Luther?
"If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy
and not share in their guilt, we have to part company
with them. They must be driven from our country."
--Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
"He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the
authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and
chase him away."
--Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Tell a lie for the church?
"What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the
sake of the good and for the Christian church...a lie out of
necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be
against God, he would accept them."
--Martin Luther (1483 -- 1546)
Calvin and Luther: Two of a kind -- cruel and sadistic
fundamentalist Christians.
earle
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| User: "Uncle Dollar bill" |
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12 Nov 2004 06:31:36 PM |
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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12 Nov 2004 07:14:29 PM |
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"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
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| User: "Mothergodwacker" |
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14 Nov 2004 03:09:54 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
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| User: "Kathy" |
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14 Nov 2004 03:46:33 PM |
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"Mothergodwacker" <laferme@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
You believe in a meatloaf-eating Hobbes??? Blasphemer!!! Burn the witch!
Kathy aa #1802
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| User: "Ph˙ltęr" |
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15 Nov 2004 04:55:33 AM |
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"Kathy" <k.knight@rogers.com> astounded us with: news:6badnWdV3KEUTwrcRVn-
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"Mothergodwacker" <laferme@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
You believe in a meatloaf-eating Hobbes??? Blasphemer!!! Burn the
witch!
Kathy aa #1802
Rather extreme, don't you think?
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| User: "Mothergodwacker" |
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16 Nov 2004 10:14:46 PM |
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"Ph˙ltęr" <Ph˙ltęr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mothergodwacker" <laferme@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
You believe in a meatloaf-eating Hobbes??? Blasphemer!!! Burn the
witch!
Kathy aa #1802
Rather extreme, don't you think?
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The subject of meatloaf clearly inspires strong reactions, especially among
tuna lovers. Here in Cleveburg, it's been known to incite fist fights &
brawls, usually started by Hobbesians.
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17 Nov 2004 04:12:00 AM |
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's
Hobbesism that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
You believe in a meatloaf-eating Hobbes??? Blasphemer!!! Burn the
witch!
Kathy aa #1802
Rather extreme, don't you think?
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The subject of meatloaf clearly inspires strong reactions, especially
among tuna lovers. Here in Cleveburg, it's been known to incite fist
fights & brawls, usually started by Hobbesians.
THe fools!,why can't they learn to love meatloaf AND tuna, obviously not
combined, that would be SICK!
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17 Nov 2004 09:32:04 PM |
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"Ph˙ltęr" <Ph˙ltęr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's
Hobbesism that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
This occurred after he discovered they had run out of meatloaf
You believe in a meatloaf-eating Hobbes??? Blasphemer!!! Burn the
witch!
Kathy aa #1802
Rather extreme, don't you think?
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The subject of meatloaf clearly inspires strong reactions, especially
among tuna lovers. Here in Cleveburg, it's been known to incite fist
fights & brawls, usually started by Hobbesians.
THe fools!,why can't they learn to love meatloaf AND tuna, obviously not
combined, that would be SICK!
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(sigh) Because they're people and incapable of synthetic reasoning. Of
courshe, the obvious compromise would be tuna loaf, but this has gained
little support among the meatloaf lovers, at least, around here. I don't
think they can adapt to the idea of catsup on tuna............
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12 Nov 2004 09:25:07 PM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
"Uncle Dollar bill" <UncleDollarBill@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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Personally, I don't think there's much to Calvinism. It's Hobbesism
that rocks. :-)
I think Hobbes was essentially correct when he said "I want a tuna
sandwich."
On toasted wheat.
Jack
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Nov 2004 04:16:06 AM |
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just another cult
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17 Nov 2004 06:01:20 AM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> astounded us with:
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just another cult
Does it involve "blue" and "oyster"?
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30 May 2004 02:32:24 PM |
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I thought Calvin and Hobbs was a great comic strip.
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31 May 2004 05:18:06 AM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> astounded us with: news:k5udnecgEPZVqyfdRVn-
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I thought Calvin and Hobbs was a great comic strip.
Who woulda thought it would become a religion...
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| User: "Rev. Maeljin" |
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02 Jun 2004 08:31:07 AM |
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Phÿltêr <PhˇltÍr@freeway.com> wrote:
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> astounded us with: news:k5udnecgEPZVqyfdRVn-
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I thought Calvin and Hobbs was a great comic strip.
Who woulda thought it would become a religion...
Me!
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30 May 2004 05:47:49 PM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I thought Calvin and Hobbs was a great comic strip.
Calvin makes pretty comfortable underwear...and CK1 smells nice!
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30 May 2004 04:50:37 PM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, The Big Creep said...
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I once was a chauffeur for Calvin. A great man. A plumber. When I was
thirsty, he'd take me to the bar. When I needed excitement, he'd drag my
frightened ***** in the bar that had the highest number of shootings for
Columbus, Ohio. When I was hung over, he'd ***** some dumb black girl
to give me a BJ, so that I could be healed. Calvin's main wisdom and his
greatest revelation to me was that if you're smart, you never need to
pay a hooker a cent. And it was true!
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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30 May 2004 09:28:22 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
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Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
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L8r,
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30 May 2004 06:36:53 PM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Uncle Dollar Bill said...
From: (Uncle Dollar Bill)
Organization: BellSouth Internet Group
In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
<snip>
Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
I've got the looks, but Calvin didn't. In fact, hookers were ready to
suck him off at the drop of a hat, but didn't want to do me.. He was
about 56 at the time, beer belly, bald bearded... and I was about 32. I
asked one why and she said that I was too young, would wear her ***** out
and take up time that she could be making money sucking off old farts.
My favorite Calvin quote:
<he whips out his flaccid ***** and looks and the ***** saying>
"Can you get the wrinkles out?"
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31 May 2004 01:59:22 AM |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:28:22 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
<snip>
Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
Guess that leaves me double in the clear ,-)
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
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31 May 2004 02:06:19 AM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, W. Syme said...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:28:22 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
<snip>
Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
Guess that leaves me double in the clear ,-)
I've seen what a horse has. I prefer what's in my pants. ***** being hung
like a horse.
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http://wwww.jackanapes.ws
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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31 May 2004 02:13:41 AM |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 03:06:19 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<fuckyou2@yourlocalchurch.org> wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, W. Syme said...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:28:22 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
<snip>
Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
Guess that leaves me double in the clear ,-)
I've seen what a horse has. I prefer what's in my pants. ***** being hung
like a horse.
You know, you're quite the smooth intellectual.
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31 May 2004 02:41:49 AM |
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In alt.flame.jesus.christ, W. Syme said...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 03:06:19 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<fuckyou2@yourlocalchurch.org> wrote:
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, W. Syme said...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:28:22 GMT, (Uncle
Dollar Bill) wrote:
In alt.atheism on Sun, 30 May 2004 17:50:37 -0400, St. Jackanapes
<*****@yourchurch.org> wrote:
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Calvin's main wisdom and his greatest revelation to me was that
if you're smart, you never need to pay a hooker a cent. And it
was true!
Yes, being smart helps. But having dashing good looks and being
hung like a horse couldn't hurt matters none. ;-)
Guess that leaves me double in the clear ,-)
I've seen what a horse has. I prefer what's in my pants. ***** being hung
like a horse.
You know, you're quite the smooth intellectual.
It's about time somebody realized that!
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St. Jackanapes
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| Title: Re: What are your thoughts on Calvinism? |
31 May 2004 01:37:15 AM |
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In article <d16ebafc.0405301125.77bac574@posting.google.com>,
mystery_hunter@volcanomail.com says...
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I used to work with a guy who was a "Strict Calvinist". He came up with
stuff even the other bible thumpers at work thought was just plain nuts.
I would agree...
BDK
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