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"Greywolf" |
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16 May 2006 04:49:27 PM |
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What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
Greywolf
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 12:28:43 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
Greywolf
I hear the "not a real christian" comment often, since I live in the
Southern US. The fundie churches here all disagree with each other on
doctrine. Hell, half of them are in strip malls and were started when a
parishioner had a disagreement about scripture with another member of
the church he previously attended. I've come up with an all-purpose
definition of "real" christian that sends them into waves of
apologetics.
"They pray to the same Christ *you* do."
I then tell them that to someone who is not christian, the details or
differences are not important. Drives `em absolutely nutzo. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 03:28:05 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
Greywolf
I hear the "not a real christian" comment often, since I live in the
Southern US. The fundie churches here all disagree with each other on
doctrine. Hell, half of them are in strip malls and were started when a
parishioner had a disagreement about scripture with another member of
the church he previously attended. I've come up with an all-purpose
definition of "real" christian that sends them into waves of
apologetics.
"They pray to the same Christ *you* do."
I then tell them that to someone who is not christian, the details or
differences are not important. Drives `em absolutely nutzo. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Oh yes I remember learning in protestant Sunday school that Catholics
weren't real Christians and were all going to hell.
Then I remember learning that nonevangelics weren't obeying Christ's
message and were going to hell.
Cults all of them.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 05:13:51 AM |
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On 17 May 2006 01:28:05 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1147854485.255026.259690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
panamfloyd@hotmail.com wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
Greywolf
I hear the "not a real christian" comment often, since I live in the
Southern US. The fundie churches here all disagree with each other on
doctrine. Hell, half of them are in strip malls and were started when a
parishioner had a disagreement about scripture with another member of
the church he previously attended. I've come up with an all-purpose
definition of "real" christian that sends them into waves of
apologetics.
"They pray to the same Christ *you* do."
I then tell them that to someone who is not christian, the details or
differences are not important. Drives `em absolutely nutzo. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Oh yes I remember learning in protestant Sunday school that Catholics
weren't real Christians and were all going to hell.
Then I remember learning that nonevangelics weren't obeying Christ's
message and were going to hell.
Cults all of them.
Turn an "l" into and "n", and you have it exactly correct.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 06:26:00 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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17 May 2006 10:39:14 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:1147865160.368078.311120@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
That ain't too bad of an answer. I'll have to brush up on what the Nicene
Creed has to say, specifically. But on the face of it, that sounds like a
reasonable answer. At least it would provide a basis upon which a lot of
so-called 'real' Christians would be 'rejected' outright. Its a starting
point -- for whatever *that's* worth. To bad its all still pie-in-the-sky
stuff.
Very interesting -- but just watch some 'sharp' member of this newsgroup
just come along and point out how stupid *that* answer is. And if he or she
is 'right', its time to move the little doggies along.
Greywolf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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18 May 2006 06:33:32 AM |
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:39:14 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:1147865160.368078.311120@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
That ain't too bad of an answer. I'll have to brush up on what the Nicene
Creed has to say, specifically. But on the face of it, that sounds like a
reasonable answer. At least it would provide a basis upon which a lot of
so-called 'real' Christians would be 'rejected' outright. Its a starting
point -- for whatever *that's* worth. To bad its all still pie-in-the-sky
stuff.
Very interesting -- but just watch some 'sharp' member of this newsgroup
just come along and point out how stupid *that* answer is. And if he or she
is 'right', its time to move the little doggies along.
Greywolf
Well, for a start, it would make render the apostles utterly incapable
of being true Christians, which makes the very definition a trifle
ridiculous.
How could, say: "42 year old Martin Smith from a council flat in West
Croydon, who affirmed the Nicene Creed on his 7th birthday, and now
has a career as a bouncer at a sleazy strip-joint" more of a true
xtian than "St. Mark the Apostle"?
The above defintion would absolutely mandate such a stupid thing.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 03:19:16 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
--
Asked to explain, Eichmann said, "My fellow officers
and I coined our own name for our language. We called
it amtssprache -- 'office talk.'" In office talk "you deny
responsibility for your actions. So if anybody says, 'Why
did you do it?' you say, 'I had to.' 'Why did you have to?'
'Superiors' orders. Company policy. It's the law.'"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 03:44:22 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
I always knew Jesus wasn't a Christian.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 10:28:09 PM |
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On 17 May 2006 13:44:22 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1147898662.362947.6800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
I always knew Jesus wasn't a Christian.
If he existed at all, he was a Jew.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor of the month (2nd runner up: April)
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 07:01:23 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
17 May 2006 10:41:19 PM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:1147910483.002666.139900@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in
at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a
dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down
in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Hey, this ain't bad. There's some nice 'stickin' it to ya' stuff goin' on
here.
Greywolf
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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18 May 2006 06:48:51 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
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20 May 2006 07:19:10 AM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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23 May 2006 04:09:55 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I
post in at the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my
surprise (and chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He
did a nice job in truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I
know.' What a dysfunctional religion Christian 'believers' are now
finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
Real Christians get life eternal, right?
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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23 May 2006 10:20:55 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I
post in at the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my
surprise (and chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He
did a nice job in truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I
know.' What a dysfunctional religion Christian 'believers' are now
finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
Real Christians get life eternal, right?
Actually I was thinking about Jesus. According to the Nicene creed he
rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. The Nicene creed also
mentions the possibility of others rising from the dead, but doesn't
mention a specific time. Moslems (who have more traditional beliefs)
believe that, in general, the dead will not rise till the end of the
world.
The biblical mythology isn't the same as what Christians believe today.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into the sky in physical bodies.
Christians today believe in spirits and planes of existance. Not the
same really. Jesus and Elijah were more like astronauts.
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
23 May 2006 05:03:44 AM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I
post in at the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my
surprise (and chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He
did a nice job in truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I
know.' What a dysfunctional religion Christian 'believers' are now
finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
Real Christians get life eternal, right?
I'm not God, Billy. I don't know who has gotten "life eternal".
Are you God?
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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23 May 2006 10:25:28 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I
post in at the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my
surprise (and chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He
did a nice job in truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I
know.' What a dysfunctional religion Christian 'believers' are now
finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
Real Christians get life eternal, right?
I'm not God, Billy. I don't know who has gotten "life eternal".
One doesn't have to be a god to follow an argument based upon certain
premises and not necessarily believe those premises to be true.
Are you God?
Better. I exist.
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20 May 2006 07:38:16 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
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20 May 2006 07:53:48 AM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
20 May 2006 08:08:27 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
I suppose he could be undead, like a zombie, a magically animated,
rotting corpse.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
20 May 2006 09:18:40 AM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
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20 May 2006 04:47:54 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
20 May 2006 05:26:50 PM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
So you admitted that the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Jesus' body.
That's good.
Now, where does the Nicene Creed say, or imply, that Jesus is "alive"
in any human sense?
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
20 May 2006 05:52:37 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
So you admitted that the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Jesus' body.
That's good.
It doesn't mention lots of things. The context remains. Words
themselves contain no inherent meaning.
Now, where does the Nicene Creed say, or imply, that Jesus is "alive"
in any human sense?
They had no other concept of life, else the myth wouldn't involve a
physical resurrection of Christ's body.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
21 May 2006 06:50:13 AM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
So you admitted that the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Jesus' body.
That's good.
It doesn't mention lots of things. The context remains. Words
themselves contain no inherent meaning.
That's applying increasingly to *your* words.
Now, where does the Nicene Creed say, or imply, that Jesus is "alive"
in any human sense?
They had no other concept of life, else the myth wouldn't involve a
physical resurrection of Christ's body.
You're babbling, Chris. Feel free to continue.
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
21 May 2006 07:36:18 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
So you admitted that the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Jesus' body.
That's good.
It doesn't mention lots of things. The context remains. Words
themselves contain no inherent meaning.
That's applying increasingly to *your* words.
Now, where does the Nicene Creed say, or imply, that Jesus is "alive"
in any human sense?
They had no other concept of life, else the myth wouldn't involve a
physical resurrection of Christ's body.
You're babbling, Chris. Feel free to continue.
It seems that you have run out of insight and must turn towards
vexation. We can stop the conversation for your tantrum then.
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
21 May 2006 08:14:07 AM |
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Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
Actually, Chris, the Nicene Creed says the following:
"On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures
he ascended to heaven..."
And your point again is?...
If we are to assume the Nicene Creed true (as hard as that may be),
then Jesus is alive and thus the statment "They're all dead" is not
true.
So you admitted that the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Jesus' body.
That's good.
It doesn't mention lots of things. The context remains. Words
themselves contain no inherent meaning.
That's applying increasingly to *your* words.
Now, where does the Nicene Creed say, or imply, that Jesus is "alive"
in any human sense?
They had no other concept of life, else the myth wouldn't involve a
physical resurrection of Christ's body.
You're babbling, Chris. Feel free to continue.
It seems that you have run out of insight and must turn towards
vexation. We can stop the conversation for your tantrum then.
You back away from everything you claimed and then lapse into babbles.
Seems
like you're the one vexed, Chris.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
20 May 2006 06:29:17 PM |
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On 20 May 2006 06:08:27 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1148130507.557449.101290@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Chris H. Fleming wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Kurt Nicklas wrote:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and
chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in
truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional
religion Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
A Christian is someone who affirms a belief in the Nicene Creed.
Are you saying there were no christians until 325 CE?
Not at all, Pope Charles, but the question was not intended to be
directed
toward folks prior to that date.
They're all dead, you know.
Not according to the Nicene Creed.
How so?
All these Christians keep telling me that Jesus is alive.
Does it say Jesus is alive as a man in the Nicene Creed?
It says he rose from the dead. That his _body_ rose from the dead.
I suppose he could be undead, like a zombie, a magically animated,
rotting corpse.
That perfectly describes the neocon criminals running the White House.
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: What Constitutes a 'Real' Christian? |
16 May 2006 05:11:41 PM |
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Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post in at
the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise (and chagrin),
I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice job in truthfully
answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a dysfunctional religion
Christian 'believers' are now finding themselves bogged down in.
I'm sorry to say that you're asking an unanswerable and thus arguably
stupid question. Put another way, there are an infinite number of
radically different answers and all of them are mere opinion.
:-)
Jenny
(who has been through the futility of trying to achieve even consensus
on such similar questions as "What's a true American?" and "What's a
true nudist?")
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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16 May 2006 05:26:01 PM |
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"Jenny6833A" <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote in
news:1147817501.738782.160030@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
Greywolf wrote:
Yesterday, I posed this question in the only other newsgroup I post
in at the present time -- alt.religion.apologetics. To my surprise
(and chagrin), I've only received one 'taker' to date. He did a nice
job in truthfully answering, essentially, 'Hell if I know.' What a
dysfunctional religion Christian 'believers' are now finding
themselves bogged down in.
I'm sorry to say that you're asking an unanswerable and thus arguably
stupid question. Put another way, there are an infinite number of
radically different answers and all of them are mere opinion.
:-)
Jenny
(who has been through the futility of trying to achieve even consensus
on such similar questions as "What's a true American?" and "What's a
true nudist?")
"What's a true atheist?"
--
"So there is no third law of Terrydynamics."
-- William Hyde
Terry Austin
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