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"Jason Spaceman" |
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27 Jun 2004 07:10:11 AM |
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What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks should include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
From the article:
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Evolution is a theory; there is no proof. In the fossil record there is no
trans-species evidence whatsoever. With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird or any
other trans-species. Where are they? A famous mathematician once said the odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet. In his later years Charles Darwin changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it. Also look into the scientific work that
was done on Mount St. Helens. I do believe there should be a balance.
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Read the rest at http://www.ydr.com/story/letters/30536/
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email sent to it will
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 07:30:28 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2k7ru1F196scdU1@uni-berlin.de...
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and
evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks should
include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies
are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
Has anyone to date ever posted the "Theory of Creationism"?
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 02:46:43 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:30:28 +0000 (UTC), <msecorsky@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2k7ru1F196scdU1@uni-berlin.de...
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and
evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks should
include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies
are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
Has anyone to date ever posted the "Theory of Creationism"?
It goes something like this:
The Theory of Creationism
Chapter 1
Then a miracle happened.(1)
References
(1) The Bible
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 07:44:22 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:30:28 +0000 in episode
<28zDc.3883$OR4.292743@twister.tampabay.rr.com> we saw our hero
<msecorsky@tampabay.rr.com>:
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2k7ru1F196scdU1@uni-berlin.de...
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and
evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks
should
include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies
are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
Has anyone to date ever posted the "Theory of Creationism"?
One school board (don't recall which now) in the middle of one of these
convulsions, asked for teaching materials from the creationist camp. Not
even as a "put up or shut up" challenge. They were seriously asking for
materials that could be used in school to teach this elusive, alternative
"theory."
Nobody ever got back to them...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 10:56:05 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:2k7ru1F196scdU1@uni-berlin.de...
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and
evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks should
include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies
are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
From the article:
---------------------------------
Evolution is a theory; there is no proof. In the fossil record there is no
trans-species evidence whatsoever. With the thousands of fossils we do
have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird
or any
other trans-species. Where are they? A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet. In his later years Charles Darwin
changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it. Also look into the scientific
work that
was done on Mount St. Helens. I do believe there should be a balance.
----------------------------------
Read the rest at http://www.ydr.com/story/letters/30536/
J. Spaceman
From this you can clearly see why creationists love debates. Could you
imagine the work involved in correcting all the fallacies in that one simple
paragraph? A scientist responding to this might just as well enroll the
audience in a full credit course in Science for a semester.
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| User: "MurphyInOhio" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 06:23:28 PM |
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With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird or
any
other trans-species. Where are they?
In the imagination of the true believers, solely.
A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
In fact the odds are even worse. Zero in fact.
In his later years Charles Darwin
changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it.
Absolutely, correct.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 07:44:38 PM |
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"MurphyInOhio" <murphyinohio@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:murphy-20040627192451.13485.00000651@mb-m12.wmconnect.com...
With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird
or
any
other trans-species. Where are they?
In the imagination of the true believers, solely.
Expand your mind Murph.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
In fact the odds are even worse. Zero in fact.
Please show your work. Oh, don't have any? Sorry, you get a zero.
In his later years Charles Darwin
changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it.
Absolutely, correct.
Heck I've changed my mind about what I want for dinner, but I'm still
going to eat.
Darwin's theory certainly evolved with each edition. But it was
subatantially the same at his death as the first edition. The Theory
of Evolution has certainly changed much in 150 or so years. But
the The Origin of Species is still considered to be the basis of
evolutionary thought. All real theories evolve. Creationism, does
not.
If you are under some misapprehension that Darwin recanted his
theory, let me assure you otherwise.
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| User: "Jaxtraw" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
27 Jun 2004 11:26:44 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:rUJDc.102620$2i5.52315@attbi_s52...
"MurphyInOhio" <murphyinohio@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:murphy-20040627192451.13485.00000651@mb-m12.wmconnect.com...
With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to
bird
or
any
other trans-species. Where are they?
In the imagination of the true believers, solely.
Expand your mind Murph.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through
a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
In fact the odds are even worse. Zero in fact.
Please show your work. Oh, don't have any? Sorry, you get a zero.
In his later years Charles Darwin
changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it.
Absolutely, correct.
Heck I've changed my mind about what I want for dinner, but I'm still
going to eat.
Darwin's theory certainly evolved with each edition. But it was
subatantially the same at his death as the first edition. The Theory
of Evolution has certainly changed much in 150 or so years. But
the The Origin of Species is still considered to be the basis of
evolutionary thought. All real theories evolve. Creationism, does
not.
If you are under some misapprehension that Darwin recanted his
theory, let me assure you otherwise.
The OP is probably alluding to a myth that Darwin recanted on his death bed.
Needless to say, this was just made up, but has become a "known fact"
amongst creationists which, like urban myths, cannot be successfully
repudiated. There is no evidence whatsoever of course in favour of it. The
problem is Creationists have no interest in facts, so their beliefs on that
basis are impossible to dispute.
Ian
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| User: "chicowboy1" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
28 Jun 2004 03:52:36 PM |
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(MurphyInOhio) wrote in message news:<murphy-20040627192451.13485.00000651@mb-m12.wmconnect.com>...
With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird or
any
other trans-species. Where are they?
In the imagination of the true believers, solely.
A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
In fact the odds are even worse. Zero in fact.
I submitted a post regarding this 747 statement just a bit ago. I
almost fell off my chair when I read this.
Let me ask you something Murphy. Are you saying the odds of a tornado
assembling a 747 are greater than zero? Surely you jest. Do you
actually believe tornadoes are capable of assembling a jetliner?
Apparently you've been seduced by nonsensical rhetoric. The tornado
statement is EXACTLY equivalent to giving statistical validity to,
let's say, my 105 yr. old grandfather giving birth to twins. Do you
see? Probability requires a sampling of POSSIBLE outcomes. Since
tornadoes do not assemble jet planes, there can be no statistical
statement regarding such. It's meaningless. If you're going to remark
on 747 construction and probability, use humans instead of tornadoes -
at least throw in a trained chimp or robot.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
28 Jun 2004 04:49:17 PM |
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"chicowboy1" <chicowboy1@netzero.com> wrote in message
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murphyinohio@wmconnect.com (MurphyInOhio) wrote in message
news:<murphy-20040627192451.13485.00000651@mb-m12.wmconnect.com>...
With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to
bird or
any
other trans-species. Where are they?
In the imagination of the true believers, solely.
A famous mathematician once said the
odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through
a
junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
In fact the odds are even worse. Zero in fact.
I submitted a post regarding this 747 statement just a bit ago. I
almost fell off my chair when I read this.
Let me ask you something Murphy. Are you saying the odds of a tornado
assembling a 747 are greater than zero? Surely you jest. Do you
actually believe tornadoes are capable of assembling a jetliner?
Apparently you've been seduced by nonsensical rhetoric. The tornado
statement is EXACTLY equivalent to giving statistical validity to,
let's say, my 105 yr. old grandfather giving birth to twins. Do you
see? Probability requires a sampling of POSSIBLE outcomes. Since
tornadoes do not assemble jet planes, there can be no statistical
statement regarding such. It's meaningless. If you're going to remark
on 747 construction and probability, use humans instead of tornadoes -
at least throw in a trained chimp or robot.
I wish that the way people like Murphy think about evolution and
probability had been true when I was taking chemistry. My grades would have
been much better.
The day in high school when I was helping clean up the lab and poured the
wrong clear liquid into another clear liquid might have gone better.
No damage occurred but as I started to put it down it started getting *real*
hot.
In Murphy's world it might have turned to gold.
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| User: "R.Schenck" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? Creationism and Evolution |
06 Jul 2004 08:16:02 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<2k7ru1F196scdU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Various readers of the York Daily Record sound off on creationism and evolution and
the Dover school board's debate over whether new biology textbooks should include
the "theory" of creationism along with evolution. Some of these replies are pretty
sad, so be prepared to throw something at your monitor.
From the article:
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Evolution is a theory; there is no proof.
Change in alleles over time? Biogeography? Gee, wouldn't it have
made more sense to refute what is presented as evidence?
In the fossil record there is no
trans-species evidence whatsoever.
That's a damned joke. Has to be. This guy must not even think about
what a transitional species would be. Practically the whole damned
fossil record is transitional species.
With the thousands of fossils we do have you
would think there would be hundreds or more fossils show reptiles to bird or any
other trans-species. Where are they?
China. Nitwit. Oh, and a art supply quary in germany. Oh, germany,
evolution must support naziism.
A famous mathematician once said the odds of a
human evolving from an amoeba is equivalent to a tornado going through a junkyard
and forming a fully functional 747 jet.
What a mathemetician thinks about evolution is irrelevant. What a
mechanic thinks about evolution is irrelevant too. Actually, what the
mechanic thinks about famous mathematics and what the mathemetician
thinks about mechanics are also irrelevant. Oh wait, did he say that
mathemetician was famous? Oh, well that changes everything.
In his later years Charles Darwin changed
his mind about his own theory. Look into it.
Yeah, look into it and find out thats a lie.
Also look into the scientific work that
was done on Mount St. Helens. I do believe there should be a balance.
Moron. This guy is a tool of the creationists. He reads like a
pamphlet.
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Read the rest at http://www.ydr.com/story/letters/30536/
J. Spaceman
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| User: "nobody" |
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27 Jun 2004 01:21:23 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Read the rest at http://www.ydr.com/story/letters/30536/
Last count there: Those for teaching creationism outnumber those who
don't by 20 to 10. Compare and contrast this to
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/creation/evol-poll.htm
I don't find the results surprising.
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