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"angry pankration warrior" |
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06 Jan 2005 06:34:01 PM |
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What do you think? |
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
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| User: "Charles & Mambo" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:34:26 AM |
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Rob Duncan wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Really? Is that why you'll be checking into a hospital asap when your *****
gets sick instead of bolting for the nearest church? Then when the latest
medical science heals you, you'll be thanking your god for that...
Idiot.
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Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| User: "Sam" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:42:05 AM |
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Charles & Mambo wrote:
Rob Duncan wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Really? Is that why you'll be checking into a hospital asap when your
***** gets sick instead of bolting for the nearest church? Then when the
latest medical science heals you, you'll be thanking your god for that...
Idiot.
thanking god is great i was in the gas station when a dude busts in
yelling 'praise god! i almost got hit at the corner up there. two
dudes are still laying in the street, it was awful, praise god!'
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| User: "Pope Rudraigh" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:32:05 PM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 16:01:55 -0800, wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
I'm positive that you have absolutely no fucking idea just how stupid
that is.
I have a troop of invisible, three inch long, flying, pink hippos that
hang around the flowers in my garden. They cured me of mange,
tuberculosis, hammer toe and myopia. Prove that they did not.
Pope Rudraigh
2003 East Bay Atheist of the Year
"Holy trinity my triple cheeked *****!"
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/home.html (temp)
I'm the guy your mother warned you about.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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06 Jan 2005 06:36:33 PM |
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(angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Jim07D5
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| User: "" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:48:13 AM |
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Here is one example of a husband whose cancer patient wife was prayed
for and healed.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cindyhogman.htm
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
07 Jan 2005 07:16:03 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 04:48:13 -0800 in alt.atheism,
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Here is one example of a husband whose cancer patient wife was prayed
for and healed.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cindyhogman.htm
Oh dear....
"Nick told TruthOrFiction.com in January of 2002 that his wife was
doing well". Not that she was cured, or in remission, but "doing
well". We don't know if she's undergoing conventional medical
treatment (which probably is, unless she's mad) and if she is, how are
we to differentiate the effect of that from any effect prayer might or
might not have had? The only experimental study methodology I can
think of would be a tad unethical, though I suppose the figures for
spontaneous remission of cancer in hard-core Christian Scientists
might make for interesting reading in that regard...
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| User: "" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:59:46 AM |
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On 7 Jan 2005 04:48:13 -0800, wrote:
Here is one example of a husband whose cancer patient wife was prayed
for and healed.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cindyhogman.htm
Well, that isn't really the same thing, is it?
You posted the following without citation:
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
When asked for a cite for such a study, presumably one that had not
been proven false, inconclusive, unsupportable, skewed, biased or
unrepeatable, you provide the link at the top about a completely
unrelated story from a "rumor" website.
Now, do you have proof that your original claim actually happened, or
was that just something you heard from an equally gullible christer.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "" |
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07 Jan 2005 07:07:38 PM |
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http://www.med.wayne.edu/Scribe/scribe01-02/winter02/s-prayer%20and%20fellowship%20promote%20healthy%20outcomes.htm
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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07 Jan 2005 09:36:39 AM |
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Jim07D5 wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Show yours.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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07 Jan 2005 12:16:51 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Show yours.
I didn't claim anything here, so here is the work:
Jim07D5
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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07 Jan 2005 02:28:00 PM |
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Jim07D5 wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Show yours.
I didn't claim anything here, so here is the work:
Yes, I recognize it.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:22:23 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Show yours.
I didn't claim anything here, so here is the work:
Yes, I recognize it.
Nothing was claimed.
Nothing was offered in proof.
Therefore, nothing is proven.
QED.
Jim07D5
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:52:24 PM |
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Jim07D5 wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> said:
Jim07D5 wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) said:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
Show your work.
Show yours.
I didn't claim anything here, so here is the work:
Yes, I recognize it.
Nothing was claimed.
Nothing was offered in proof.
Therefore, nothing is proven.
Yes, nothing is proven... there are those who pray for it religiously.
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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06 Jan 2005 09:46:49 PM |
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(angry pankration warrior) wrote in
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as much.
That study was for people who prayed for themselves. The study done
where people prayed for others showed no difference in condition of the
targets of the prayer, who btw had no idea they were being prayed for.
Does this suggest something to you? Something logical?
Hint: Placebo effect.
Gary
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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06 Jan 2005 06:43:26 PM |
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(angry pankration warrior) wrote in
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com:
Subject: What do you think?
That those pants make your ***** look fat.
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Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "Uv" |
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09 Jan 2005 07:14:33 AM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95D6BE30541E4askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) wrote in
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com:
Subject: What do you think?
That those pants make your ***** look fat.
No, it's not the pants.
his ***** really is fat
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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10 Jan 2005 08:03:06 PM |
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"Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> wrote in
news:sNednVAl5ea4s3zcRVn-1A@comcast.com:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95D6BE30541E4askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) wrote in
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com:
Subject: What do you think?
That those pants make your ***** look fat.
No, it's not the pants.
his ***** really is fat
Mostly because his head's up there.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Wart inhale dough way cur?
Hurl, hurl, door gong's oil hair!
Wart inhale dough way cur, nor?
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| User: "Daniel T." |
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06 Jan 2005 08:59:45 PM |
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(angry pankration warrior) wrote:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
The National Institutes of Health is funding a four-year study of
intercessory prayer at Johns Hopkins University. There 80 women with
breast cancer will be split into two groups, one joining in prayer
activities and the other not. "We're not testing [to determine] if a
divine power exists," said Diane Becker. "The study will show whether
meditative prayer can help us improve our capacity to heal
ourselves."
I think Diane Becker's comment is illuminating...
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| User: "Paul Hovnanian P.E." |
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06 Jan 2005 11:04:42 PM |
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"Daniel T." wrote:
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca (angry pankration warrior) wrote:
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
The National Institutes of Health is funding a four-year study of
intercessory prayer at Johns Hopkins University. There 80 women with
breast cancer will be split into two groups, one joining in prayer
activities and the other not. "We're not testing [to determine] if a
divine power exists," said Diane Becker. "The study will show whether
meditative prayer can help us improve our capacity to heal
ourselves."
They need to break this down into different religious groups in order to
test the efficacy of the various deities.
;-)
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Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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The world is coming to an end ... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!!!
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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07 Jan 2005 12:54:02 AM |
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All this study proves is that a dedicated ritual that provides a
positive boost to one's attitude seems to help with the recovery from
an illness.
I think I'll stick to sex. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
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| User: "RHertz" |
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06 Jan 2005 09:21:29 PM |
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I never pray. I am as healthy as an ox. Exercise. proper diet, and modern
medicine work. Prayer doesn't.
I would also avoid carcinogens. Put out that cigarette!
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| User: "Jez" |
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07 Jan 2005 04:36:46 PM |
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RHertz wrote:
I never pray. I am as healthy as an ox. Exercise. proper diet, and modern
medicine work. Prayer doesn't.
I would also avoid carcinogens. Put out that cigarette!
Yeah, light a joint instead, THC has been proven to reduce cancer tumors !
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "kathryn" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:12:16 AM |
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I think you're an idiot personally
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| User: "L.Roberts." |
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09 Jan 2005 05:26:32 PM |
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:)
kathryn wrote:
I think you're an idiot personally
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| User: "" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:03:34 PM |
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Don't talk like that. In West Point, that is not allowed.
You are not allowed to attack the messenger.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:32:02 PM |
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astounded us with: news:1105142614.339134.314970
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Don't talk like that. In West Point, that is not allowed.
You are not allowed to attack the messenger.
reality check numb-nuts, this usenet, NOT West Point
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "kathryn" |
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08 Jan 2005 05:51:46 AM |
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"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105144322.56fe994454eeb214578beff1c29a3be2@teranews...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca astounded us with: news:1105142614.339134.314970
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Don't talk like that. In West Point, that is not allowed.
You are not allowed to attack the messenger.
This isn't west point
If the messenger doesnt want to be attacked he should post such stupid
messages
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| User: "" |
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08 Jan 2005 07:18:50 AM |
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But, it is not the messenger's fault.
I am posting this on behalf of my students.
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| User: "Uv" |
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15 Jan 2005 11:29:01 AM |
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<bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1105190330.411261.46300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
But, it is not the messenger's fault.
I am posting this on behalf of my students.
Well aren't you the bestesest professor in West Point?
AWww~ What a guy! Willing to put your head up and speak out on behalf of
your students!
go *****, moron.
Uv(fakin' it)
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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15 Jan 2005 09:47:10 PM |
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[posted and mailed]
"Uv" <uvygirl@nunneryabidnit.com> astounded us with:
news:HpqdnZDcgfxIz3TcRVn-jA@comcast.com:
<bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1105190330.411261.46300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
But, it is not the messenger's fault.
I am posting this on behalf of my students.
Well aren't you the bestesest professor in West Point?
AWww~ What a guy! Willing to put your head up and speak out on behalf of
your students!
Where'd he put his head up? His *****?
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
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