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"angry pankration warrior" |
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07 Jan 2005 12:34:01 AM |
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What do you think? |
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make as
much.
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| User: "Tock" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:30:49 AM |
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"angry pankration warrior" wrote ...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
You forgot the letter "r" between the "c" and the "e" in "chance."
-Tock
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| User: "geopelia" |
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07 Jan 2005 10:42:56 AM |
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"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:t0qDd.12929$iC4.1807@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
"angry pankration warrior" wrote ...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
You forgot the letter "r" between the "c" and the "e" in "chance."
-Tock
Oh very funny! I doubt if any amount of prayer would cure that!
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| User: "Pope Rudraigh" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:40:07 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 06:30:49 GMT, "Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"angry pankration warrior" wrote ...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
You forgot the letter "r" between the "c" and the "e" in "chance."
-Tock
No no no. He obviously misspelled, "behold the result of running with
scissors."
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| User: "Raptor514" |
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07 Jan 2005 01:10:42 AM |
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"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make
as
much.
That study was run by a literal con man who deliberately filled the prayer
group with healthier patients than the non-prayer group. And his 'research
associates' later came out and said they had nothing to do with the study.
It was a fraud.
Raptor514
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Jan 2005 01:07:18 AM |
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"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make
as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her and she
croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:58:44 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in
message news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her
and she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It needs
a few months of lead time?
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 04:25:23 PM |
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In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her and
she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It needs a
few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level of
faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known as the
"Falwatt."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Chez Watt was:Re: What do you think? |
08 Jan 2005 05:29:08 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:jaGdncPiBpH8lX3cRVn-3Q@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in
message news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance
circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her
and she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It
needs a few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level of
faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known as the
"Falwatt."
Is there such a thing as a Chez Watt here? If there is, this is a good
candidate.
--
Gary Bohn
"Education is the ability listen to almost anything without losing your
temper."
Robert Frost
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Jan 2005 03:09:38 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95D874DFF1B60GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:jaGdncPiBpH8lX3cRVn-3Q@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in
message news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her
and she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It
needs a few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level of
faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known as the
"Falwatt."
Is there such a thing as a Chez Watt here? If there is, this is a good
candidate.
At the risk of immodesty (since you're talking about something of
mine... I *was hoping somebody else would answer), it's the "Atheist Quote
of the Month." Or for a theist quote you want to nominate, it's (obviously
<g>) "Theist Quote of the Month." Stick "AQOTM" or "TQOTM" at the
beginning of the subject header of the post in which you nominate the
quote so Nemo notices. He's our Quotemeister. And the quote needs at least
one second to be picked up for the vote.
While we're on the subject, I've been meaning to ask where "Chez Watt"
came from...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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09 Jan 2005 04:13:30 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:dY6dnbDA1bDCAn3cRVn-rA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95D874DFF1B60GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:jaGdncPiBpH8lX3cRVn-3Q@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary
Bohn lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in
message news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance
circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases
were prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't
prayed for didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for
her and she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of
cancer within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for
prayer? It needs a few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level
of faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known
as the "Falwatt."
Is there such a thing as a Chez Watt here? If there is, this is a
good candidate.
At the risk of immodesty (since you're talking about something of
mine... I *was hoping somebody else would answer), it's the "Atheist
Quote of the Month." Or for a theist quote you want to nominate, it's
(obviously <g>) "Theist Quote of the Month." Stick "AQOTM" or "TQOTM"
at the beginning of the subject header of the post in which you
nominate the quote so Nemo notices. He's our Quotemeister. And the
quote needs at least one second to be picked up for the vote.
While we're on the subject, I've been meaning to ask where "Chez Watt"
came from...
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say what?'
when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that the term
'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed it 'chez
watt'. Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published.
There is also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well
thought out refutations of something a creationist has said. Since yours
was so humourous it would fit into the chez watt category perfectly.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question and
iron kneecap will fill you in.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah (Pubbah)(Hell! head honcho), EAC
Department of Oxygen Deprivation Responsible for brain damage
everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is the political philosophy that it ain't broke so don't
try to fix it. Therefore, if that is indeed how it is, that is what
ought to be.
The Wilkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:11:10 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95DAD4C63008GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say what?'
when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that the term
'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed it 'chez watt'.
<smacks forehead>
It was staring me in the face all this time. <G>
Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published. There is
also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well thought out
refutations of something a creationist has said. Since yours was so
humourous it would fit into the chez watt category perfectly.
Yeah that's like our AQOTMs.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question and
iron kneecap will fill you in.
Iron kneecap? Sounds ominous...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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10 Jan 2005 01:52:25 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:C8GdnQE7NY-VWnzcRVn-iA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95DAD4C63008GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say
what?' when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that
the term 'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed
it 'chez watt'.
<smacks forehead>
It was staring me in the face all this time. <G>
Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published.
There is also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well
thought out refutations of something a creationist has said. Since
yours was so humourous it would fit into the chez watt category
perfectly.
Yeah that's like our AQOTMs.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question
and iron kneecap will fill you in.
Iron kneecap? Sounds ominous...
There is a gentleman (sort of) called "ferrous patella" that keeps track
of all the chez watts. I was just translating.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah (Pubbah)(Hell! head honcho), EAC
Department of Oxygen Deprivation Responsible for brain damage
everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is the political philosophy that it ain't broke so don't
try to fix it. Therefore, if that is indeed how it is, that is what
ought to be.
The Wilkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jan 2005 02:23:53 PM |
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In our last episode <Xns95D9CA2A83B67GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:C8GdnQE7NY-VWnzcRVn-iA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95DAD4C63008GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say what?'
when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that the term
'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed it 'chez
watt'.
<smacks forehead>
It was staring me in the face all this time. <G>
Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published. There
is also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well thought
out refutations of something a creationist has said. Since yours was so
humourous it would fit into the chez watt category perfectly.
Yeah that's like our AQOTMs.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question and
iron kneecap will fill you in.
Iron kneecap? Sounds ominous...
There is a gentleman (sort of) called "ferrous patella" that keeps track
of all the chez watts. I was just translating.
Heh. Thought maybe that was who you folks sent after the really *bad
cretinists. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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10 Jan 2005 05:33:31 AM |
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:11:10 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <C8GdnQE7NY-VWnzcRVn-iA@megapath.net>):
In our last episode <Xns95DAD4C63008GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say what?'
when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that the term
'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed it 'chez watt'.
<smacks forehead>
It was staring me in the face all this time. <G>
Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published. There is
also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well thought out
refutations of something a creationist has said. Since yours was so
humourous it would fit into the chez watt category perfectly.
Yeah that's like our AQOTMs.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question and
iron kneecap will fill you in.
Iron kneecap? Sounds ominous...
Mark, you have seen Ferrous Patella around, haven't you? He posts here in AA
pretty often.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Cthulhu saves our souls and redeems them for valuable coupons later.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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10 Jan 2005 02:22:49 PM |
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In our last episode
<0001HW.BE076FCB0098B8C1F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:11:10 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote (in article
<C8GdnQE7NY-VWnzcRVn-iA@megapath.net>):
In our last episode <Xns95DAD4C63008GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
It's an award of sorts to those statements that make you go 'say what?'
when you first see them. One of the guys on t.o. decided that the term
'say what' didn't quite convey the real feeling so renamed it 'chez
watt'.
<smacks forehead>
It was staring me in the face all this time. <G>
Every month the nominees are voted for and the winner published. There
is also a post of the month; generally the nominees are well thought
out refutations of something a creationist has said. Since yours was so
humourous it would fit into the chez watt category perfectly.
Yeah that's like our AQOTMs.
If you want more info about it, crosspost to t.o. with the question and
iron kneecap will fill you in.
Iron kneecap? Sounds ominous...
Mark, you have seen Ferrous Patella around, haven't you? He posts here in
AA pretty often.
Actually I don't recall a handle like that. Then again, this is a *busy
place. Wouldn't be the first time someone who's been around is new to me.
Particularly a t.o. regular. I've paid less attention to evolution related
threads for a while. In part because there are so many bright folks in
t.o., they "handle" the issue better than I probably could. Often, if I do
read evolution threads, I'm just in the peanut gallery. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Jez" |
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08 Jan 2005 06:04:51 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her and
she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It needs a
few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level of
faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known as the
"Falwatt."
And it takes 10 'Falwatts' to run a 'gullabulb' for an hour.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 11:06:09 PM |
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In our last episode <2Iydnb-NtpsivX3cRVnyiA@pipex.net>, Jez lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <Xns95D784DD343C5GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:3465m5F4320aqU1@individual.net:
"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were
prayed for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for
didn't make as
much.
I had a relative with cancer who had over 200 people praying for her
and she croaked anyway.
So, I think the study is *****.
I have two brothers who prayed for my mother, but she died of cancer
within 3 months of diagnosis. Is there a delay time for prayer? It needs
a few months of lead time?
It's a function of number of prayers per hour, multiplied by level of
faith, sustained over a period of time. A unit of measure known as the
"Falwatt."
And it takes 10 'Falwatts' to run a 'gullabulb' for an hour.
And you know how many Christians it takes to change a gullabulb?
(You just *believe it changed)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "chasing the dragon" |
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08 Jan 2005 03:44:18 AM |
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"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make
as
much.
do the word placebo mean something to you. find out about the great curative
effects of placebo and you will find your god.
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| User: "Mothergodwacker" |
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07 Jan 2005 02:18:17 AM |
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"angry pankration warrior" <bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:5bf1a5a1.0501061634.9d1eaa9@posting.google.com...
It is a scientific proven fact that prayer does chance circumstances.
A study was done where those with cancer and certain diseases were prayed
for and they made progress and those that weren't prayed for didn't make
as
much.
He's back!
Chris, you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FULL OF *****. Please post this "study"
obviously concocted by fanatic morons out of selective data, to "prove"
their bogus sky fairy is up there, and listening.
Where was jeezus during the recent tsunami, Chris? 170.000 people killed?
Millions more displaced?
Plague? Where was he, Chris? Shooting craps with the holey ghost, or what?
GIVE IT UP
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
08 Jan 2005 12:01:55 AM |
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I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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13 Jan 2005 09:50:57 AM |
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wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
15 Jan 2005 06:42:04 AM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105609857.719652.179100@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Rob
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| User: "Lysander" |
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15 Jan 2005 04:54:44 PM |
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105609857.719652.179100@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Secondly, even if true, does that necessarily prove that *God did
it*? Or could it be that it's just another manifestation of the
placebo effect?
L.
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Prediction is difficult, especially the future.
Niels Bohr
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
16 Jan 2005 07:45:44 AM |
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"Lysander" <lysander@hellas.net> wrote in message
news:fZSdnVkSwuha13TcRVn-pw@giganews.com...
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105609857.719652.179100@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
bedford_park2000@yahoo.ca wrote:
I know some people that said that God healed their chest pains. Prove
that he did not.
Look at it like this. What if some salesman sold you a "cure all"
elixer. When you got home you discovered that it was nothing but tap
water. You return and ask for your money back. The salesman responds by
saying, "Prove to me it didn't help you."
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
Secondly, even if true, does that necessarily prove that *God did
it*? Or could it be that it's just another manifestation of the
placebo effect?
L.
The placebo effect was controlled for in all studies. To the satisfaction
of all reviewers if I recall correctly.
Rob
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| User: "Lysander" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
16 Jan 2005 10:42:46 PM |
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
<snip>
L.
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Prediction is difficult, especially the future.
Niels Bohr
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| User: "Pope Rudraigh" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
17 Jan 2005 07:14:48 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Lysander <lysander@hellas.net>
wrote:
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
Excuse me?!? What "claim" did he make?!? Answer thew fucking
question, you fucking gawdbot!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
17 Jan 2005 07:03:55 PM |
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In talk.atheism Pope Rudraigh <laughing@your.*****> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Lysander <lysander@hellas.net>
wrote:
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
Excuse me?!? What "claim" did he make?!? Answer thew fucking
question, you fucking gawdbot!
Read the thread. Hell, just read the message here. Right above we see "And
ALL studies so far show prayer to work." THAT is the claim.
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
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do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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| User: "Pope Rudraigh" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
18 Jan 2005 07:21:25 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:03:55 GMT, wrote:
In talk.atheism Pope Rudraigh <laughing@your.*****> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Lysander <lysander@hellas.net>
wrote:
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
Excuse me?!? What "claim" did he make?!? Answer thew fucking
question, you fucking gawdbot!
Read the thread. Hell, just read the message here. Right above we see "And
ALL studies so far show prayer to work." THAT is the claim.
Yeah yeah, I know. I must have been thinking about another thread
while replying to this one.
I hate when I do that.
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| User: "Lysander" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
17 Jan 2005 05:16:04 PM |
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Pope Rudraigh <laughing@your.*****> writes:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Lysander <lysander@hellas.net>
wrote:
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure, eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
Excuse me?!? What "claim" did he make?!?
That "'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed'
studies which show the efficacy of prayer" exist, you fucking idiot.
Answer thew fucking question, you fucking gawdbot!
Like I'm going to take instruction from someone who can't follow the
train of thought from one sentence to the next!
<plonk>
L.
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Prediction is difficult, especially the future.
Niels Bohr
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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| Title: Re: What do you think? |
18 Jan 2005 07:43:17 AM |
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"Lysander" <lysander@hellas.net> wrote in message
news:06idncUwnrxeb3bcRVn-vQ@giganews.com...
Pope Rudraigh <laughing@your.*****> writes:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:42:46 -0800, Lysander <lysander@hellas.net>
wrote:
"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> writes:
[snip]
You do a double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed
study.
Thats all. And ALL studies so far show prayer to work. Go figure,
eh?
Well, first off, does it work? Please give the citations for the
'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed' studies
which show the efficacy of prayer. Given some of your recent claims
(e.g. the laughible "it's illegal to play Wagner in Israel") you'll
forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.
Go to www.medline.com and look it up. Or www.pubmed.com
No. Your claim, your burden.
Excuse me?!? What "claim" did he make?!?
That "'double-blind, randomized, controlled and peer reviewed'
studies which show the efficacy of prayer" exist, you fucking idiot.
Answer thew fucking question, you fucking gawdbot!
Like I'm going to take instruction from someone who can't follow the
train of thought from one sentence to the next!
<plonk>
L.
LOL. Not sure what that was all about. I recall several studies showing
prayer to work. That Im not going to play puppet and look ***** up for
people should be a suprise to nobody. The studies were well done and do
exist.
Rob
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