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"Uncle Clover" |
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01 Apr 2007 02:15:43 AM |
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What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
Suppose either we, the British or some other country entirely decides
to nuke-attack Iran. I'm curious to learn from minds more educated
than my own what a likely outcome would be of such a scenario.
Of course there are many ways such a war could unfold. It could be a
one-time hit on Tehran, or the entire country could be carpet-nuked.
Iran could emerge from the dust with armed forces of some degree or
another and possibly even nuclear weapons of their own.
Some of the questions I have about the whole scenario are:
- Which countries support Iran's nuclear ambitions and which countries
oppose them?
- Have any countries stopped voicing support for Iran's nuclear
ambitions after their seizure of the British soldiers?
- If a nuclear strike were to occur with no declaration of
responsibility, who do you suppose the world would blame first? The
US, Great Britain or Israel? Or perhaps someone else entirely?
- With or without all the facts, what notable actions might be taken
and by what other countries?
Pointers to analysis on these sorts of issues would be appreciated.
I'm looking on my own, of course, but as always, am extending out my
"antennae" to see if anyone else can pull in a signal I might
otherwise have missed. Thanks for your time! :-)
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 11:39:50 AM |
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On Apr 1, 3:15=EF=BF=BDam, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@NowhereNow.com> wrote:
Suppose either we, the British or some other country entirely decides
to nuke-attack Iran. =A0I'm curious to learn from minds more educated
than my own what a likely outcome would be of such a scenario.
Of course there are many ways such a war could unfold. =A0It could be a
one-time hit on Tehran, or the entire country could be carpet-nuked.
Iran could emerge from the dust with armed forces of some degree or
another and possibly even nuclear weapons of their own.
Some of the questions I have about the whole scenario are:
- Which countries support Iran's nuclear ambitions and which countries
oppose them?
- Have any countries stopped voicing support for Iran's nuclear
ambitions after their seizure of the British soldiers?
- If a nuclear strike were to occur with no declaration of
responsibility, who do you suppose the world would blame first? =A0The
US, Great Britain or Israel? =A0Or perhaps someone else entirely?
- With or without all the facts, what notable actions might be taken
and by what other countries?
Pointers to analysis on these sorts of issues would be appreciated.
I'm looking on my own, of course, but as always, am extending out my
"antennae" to see if anyone else can pull in a signal I might
otherwise have missed. =A0Thanks for your time! =A0:-)
If we decide to drop a few A-bombs, and only America has the balls to
do so, the Iranians will keep their mouths shut and accept defeat the
way the Japs did after WWII. Who gives a damn what the rest off the
world thinks?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 08:24:05 PM |
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On 2 Apr 2007 09:39:50 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
If we decide to drop a few A-bombs, and only America has the balls to
do so, the Iranians will keep their mouths shut and accept defeat the
way the Japs did after WWII. Who gives a damn what the rest off the
world thinks?
Unless you own a working farm, get back to us when you'll be willing
to sell your soul for one meal. Water is free, but unless you're
willing to eat roof rat you're going to starve. (Take a look at the
country of origin of almost every single thing you buy. Even things
made in the USA are made of components or materials that come from
abroad.)
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 02:07:07 PM |
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On Apr 2, 12:39 pm, "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
On Apr 1, 3:15?am, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@NowhereNow.com> wrote:
Suppose either we, the British or some other country entirely decides
to nuke-attack Iran. ?I'm curious to learn from minds more educated
than my own what a likely outcome would be of such a scenario.
Of course there are many ways such a war could unfold. ?It could be a
one-time hit on Tehran, or the entire country could be carpet-nuked.
Iran could emerge from the dust with armed forces of some degree or
another and possibly even nuclear weapons of their own.
Some of the questions I have about the whole scenario are:
- Which countries support Iran's nuclear ambitions and which countries
oppose them?
- Have any countries stopped voicing support for Iran's nuclear
ambitions after their seizure of the British soldiers?
- If a nuclear strike were to occur with no declaration of
responsibility, who do you suppose the world would blame first? ?The
US, Great Britain or Israel? ?Or perhaps someone else entirely?
- With or without all the facts, what notable actions might be taken
and by what other countries?
Pointers to analysis on these sorts of issues would be appreciated.
I'm looking on my own, of course, but as always, am extending out my
"antennae" to see if anyone else can pull in a signal I might
otherwise have missed. ?Thanks for your time! ?:-)
If we decide to drop a few A-bombs, and only America has the balls to
do so, the Iranians will keep their mouths shut and accept defeat the
way the Japs did after WWII. Who gives a damn what the rest off the
world thinks?
Well, considering that we're the #1 debtor nation on the planet, and
rely on almost every other country for our livelihood we might very
well give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. Besides, what
does your god think when it looks into your soul and sees such
ugliness?
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a.a. #2273
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
01 Apr 2007 09:45:50 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:43 -0400, Uncle Clover wrote:
What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have?
Oh, about $5 to $7 per gallon at the pump I'd hazard...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
01 Apr 2007 10:59:24 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:43 -0400, Uncle Clover wrote:
What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have?
Oh, about $5 to $7 per gallon at the pump I'd hazard...
....and rationing, a la 1973 and the late '80s.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Worcester 7, Houston 3 (March 31)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 3 vs. Peoria, 7:05
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 08:35:34 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:59:24 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:43 -0400, Uncle Clover wrote:
What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have?
Oh, about $5 to $7 per gallon at the pump I'd hazard...
...and rationing, a la 1973 and the late '80s.
Under Bush? I doubt it. He'd probably just lecture the country about
supine and demandables...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 11:28:46 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:59:24 -0500, The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:43 -0400, Uncle Clover wrote:
What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have?
Oh, about $5 to $7 per gallon at the pump I'd hazard...
...and rationing, a la 1973 and the late '80s.
Make that late '70s. (I'm not *that* old yet, am I?)
Under Bush? I doubt it. He'd probably just lecture the country about
supine and demandables...
....while Washington is spending billions on paying translators to explain it
to those of us who have an IQ higher than 65.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Worcester 7, Houston 3 (March 31)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 3 vs. Peoria, 7:05
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| User: "tirebiter" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 09:47:57 AM |
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On Apr 1, 10:45 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:15:43 -0400, Uncle Clover wrote:
What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have?
Oh, about $5 to $7 per gallon at the pump I'd hazard...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
That's pretty optimistic, considering that last week our good friend
Al Saud, the king of Saudi Arabia called the US "foreign illegitimate
occupiers" in Iraq. Saudi Arabia is much more closely aligned with
Iran then it is with the US. If anything is tempering bush and the
neocons from attacking Iran, it's the concern that OPEC will embargo
all sales to the west, at least until our economy crumbles. China
could twist the knife by calling in our multi-trillion dollar debt.
Look for $20/gal gas the first few weeks and rising while reserves
last, followed by a return to horse and buggy within a year. Then,
maybe alternate fuel sources will be pursued more seriously.
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a.a. #2273
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
02 Apr 2007 08:20:58 PM |
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On 2 Apr 2007 07:47:57 -0700, "tirebiter" <dontspamme666@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
Look for $20/gal gas the first few weeks and rising while reserves
last, followed by a return to horse and buggy within a year. Then,
maybe alternate fuel sources will be pursued more seriously.
Pursued with what? We pursued oil with steam engines, but we don't
have foundries that can run without petroleum to MAKE steam engines
these days. It would take us about 100 years to get up to the horse
and buggy age, while the rest of the world was working on a Mars
colony. The most highly prized engineers would be a few men from
Pennsylvania or Ohio who wear beard and hats, and drive buggies of
their own, and were willing to give us "worldly folk" enough of a hand
that a few of us would survive. Or maybe not.
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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| Title: Re: What impact would a nuclear strike on Iran have? |
01 Apr 2007 11:46:30 AM |
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Uncle Clover <UncleClover@NowhereNow.com> said:
Suppose either we, the British or some other country entirely decides
to nuke-attack Iran. I'm curious to learn from minds more educated
than my own what a likely outcome would be of such a scenario.
"Education, shmeducation!"
"What if" scenarios have to be reasonably extrapolatable from current
conditions, in order to allow prediction of effects. Conventional
weapons would certainly be used first, so we must conclude that a
world in which a nuclear attack would happen, would have some
radically different forces at play (being post-conventional attack)
than we have. IMO the differences would be such that all bets are off,
in terms of being able to predict now, any outcomes or effects of that
nuclear attack.
A more reason-able speculation would be on the effects of a
conventional attack on the nuclear facilities of Iran, like Israel's
attack on Iraq. This has been thoroughly analyzed, at places like:
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm
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