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"Truth Hunter" |
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10 Apr 2004 01:56:47 PM |
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What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body?
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls. That
violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the
Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding
sacrifice, can it?
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error? Why
would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth
pain? If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why
blame them for being fooled? The book of Romans goes on further to say
"Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why
couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being
murdered to cancel out sin?
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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10 Apr 2004 02:08:24 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote
I have consistently posted FACTS from the Law and the Prophets to
support Christianity (which is really nothing more than the fulfillment of
Judaism!) and you have ignored it =all=. Why can't you Jews figure out that
"Christians" are just people who have believed the Jewish prophets accounts
of the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah?! Your people wrote the
Book by the power of God; can you blame us if we believe it???????? I mean,
DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!
For this you have deservedly merited a place in my voluminous killfile.
<plonk>
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10 Apr 2004 02:58:46 PM |
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Gomez Addams wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote
I have consistently posted FACTS from the Law and the Prophets to
support Christianity (which is really nothing more than the fulfillment of
Judaism!) and you have ignored it =all=. Why can't you Jews figure out that
"Christians" are just people who have believed the Jewish prophets accounts
of the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah?! Your people wrote the
Book by the power of God; can you blame us if we believe it???????? I mean,
DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!
For this you have deservedly merited a place in my voluminous killfile.
<plonk>
You can't answer the question
so you run away. Its not surprising
your killfile is voluminous.
Typical fundy.
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
10 Apr 2004 03:56:13 PM |
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<xtmprszntwlfd@erols.com> wrote in message
news:407851F6.4EE9A5B4@erols.com...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote
I have consistently posted FACTS from the Law and the Prophets to
support Christianity (which is really nothing more than the fulfillment
of
Judaism!) and you have ignored it =all=. Why can't you Jews figure out
that
"Christians" are just people who have believed the Jewish prophets
accounts
of the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah?! Your people wrote
the
Book by the power of God; can you blame us if we believe it???????? I
mean,
DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!
For this you have deservedly merited a place in my voluminous
killfile.
<plonk>
You can't answer the question
so you run away.
Boy, you're stupid.
I HAVE answered the questions, repeatedly (or can't you read my post?!)
but never get any answer, just more drivel....... like yours.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
10 Apr 2004 04:19:08 PM |
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Gomez Addams wrote:
<xtmprszntwlfd@erols.com> wrote in message
news:407851F6.4EE9A5B4@erols.com...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote
I have consistently posted FACTS from the Law and the Prophets to
support Christianity (which is really nothing more than the fulfillment
of
Judaism!) and you have ignored it =all=. Why can't you Jews figure out
that
"Christians" are just people who have believed the Jewish prophets
accounts
of the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah?! Your people wrote
the
Book by the power of God; can you blame us if we believe it???????? I
mean,
DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!
For this you have deservedly merited a place in my voluminous
killfile.
<plonk>
You can't answer the question
so you run away.
Boy, you're stupid.
I HAVE answered the questions, repeatedly (or can't you read my post?!)
but never get any answer, just more drivel....... like yours.
Unfortunately for you I can read the question. Here it is:
How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on?
Your drivel and ?????? and DUHHHHH!!!! do not constitute an answer.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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10 Apr 2004 02:46:16 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Gomez Addams:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote
I have consistently posted FACTS from the Law and the Prophets to
support Christianity (which is really nothing more than the fulfillment
of Judaism!) and you have ignored it =all=. Why can't you Jews figure
out that "Christians" are just people who have believed the Jewish
prophets accounts of the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah?!
Your people wrote the Book by the power of God; can you blame us if we
believe it???????? I mean, DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!
For this you have deservedly merited a place in my voluminous
killfile.
<plonk>
What's the matter, Gomer? Can't stand opposition to your beliefs? They
must not be very strong.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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10 Apr 2004 06:55:01 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How can the Bible say Jesus sacrificed his life if the only thing he
sacrificed was some worthless old shell of a body, and the real
Jesus, his soul, continued to live on? That can hardly count as a
corresponding sacrifice, can it?
The body was raised to new life. "The body of Christ" is of profound
theological importance to Christians.
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but > why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error?
God is a Darwinist.
Why would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form
of birth pain?
It's a profound story. Women want sex, even though it leads to painful
labour.
If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin
with, why blame them for being fooled?
They weren't fooled. the serpent said "Ye shall not surely die", and they
didn't die, it said "and your eyes shall be opened", and behold, the eyes of
both of them were opened.
The book of Romans goes on further to say "Learn what this
means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why couldn't God just
forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being murdered to cancel out
sin?
This means that God decided that He could do without burnt thighs of oxen
and sacrifical goats any more. If God becomes man and tastes the worst that
man has got to offer then no man can say to Him "It's Ok for you, sitting up
there in heaven, but if you had to deal with interest rates under the Bush
administarion then you'd be a sinner like me".
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| User: "Samir Ribic" |
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11 Apr 2004 03:34:19 AM |
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Why would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form
of birth pain?
It's a profound story. Women want sex, even though it leads to painful
labour.
There are women who want children without having sexual intercourse.
Why exist banks of sperm? However, they still have pain during
delivery of baby.
But all these stories are really ridiculous. Much better explaintion
about pregnancy problems I heard in BBC series "Human body". They
told: "Our body is not designed in advance. It just evolved during
years to fit best to current conditions." Pregnancy is not women's
permanent state, just a temporary. The number of man who found
advantage of big brain of human beings was bigger than number of women
who died during delivery because baby could not pass through vagina.
If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin
with, why blame them for being fooled?
They weren't fooled. the serpent said "Ye shall not surely die", and they
didn't die, it said "and your eyes shall be opened", and behold, the eyes of
both of them were opened.
In this case, serpent told thruth, while Yahwe lied. If you carefuly
look ten comandements, you will see that Yahwe himself did not obey at
least six. Really politician!
The book of Romans goes on further to say "Learn what this
means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why couldn't God just
forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being murdered to cancel out
sin?
This means that God decided that He could do without burnt thighs of oxen
and sacrifical goats any more. If God becomes man and tastes the worst that
man has got to offer then no man can say to Him "It's Ok for you, sitting up
there in heaven, but if you had to deal with interest rates under the Bush
administarion then you'd be a sinner like me".
In TV series "Shogun" I heard good phrase. When one Japan samurai
asked Dutch sailor: "Netherlands rebeled against former ruler Spain?
Is not is sin to rebel against your own king?"
Sailor replied: "It is not, if you win!"
Careful watching of bible will find that God commited so much crimes
that no man in past and future could compare to him. However, he is
stronger and his sins are only "providing justice and higher plans".
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| User: "Intasharib" |
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27 Apr 2004 03:16:21 AM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0404101056.787f487b@posting.google.com>...
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls. That
violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the
Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding
sacrifice, can it?
You are being dishonest. If you really believe this sort of logic you
would have to attack the Levitical system itself and its animals
sacrificed for sin, as meaningless.
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the
patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but
the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."
Hebrews 9:22-23
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error?
I will trust God, He says in his word, "Behold, all souls are mine; as
the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul
that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4.
Why would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth
pain?
Who are you? The birth-pain has to do with Genesis, a book you would
defend if you were Jewish. It seems you are as angry at Jesus as you
are at Judaism! Maybe you need to get straight what you actually do
believe, if anything.
If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why
blame them for being fooled?
Eve was fooled, Adam was rebellious because he obeyed Eve instead of
God. Adam should have obeyed God. Very simple.
The book of Romans goes on further to say
"Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why
couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being
murdered to cancel out sin?
This is not Romans, it is from the book of Matthew (9:13, 12:7). Jesus
twice quoted this passage from the old testament:
"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more
than burnt offerings. But they like men have transgressed the
covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me." Hosea
6:6-7
The Jews were offering meaningless sacrifices under the levitic
system. It had become currupt. Read the book of Hebrew and learn why
Jesus is not like these sacrifices, he was the perfect sacrifice.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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28 Apr 2004 07:36:53 PM |
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Reply to article by: (Intasharib)
Date written: 27 Apr 2004 01:16:21 -0700
MsgID:<b4dcd365.0404270016.4e67d7d1@posting.google.com>
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls. That
violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the
Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding
sacrifice, can it?
You are being dishonest.
Cite the "dishonest" part.
If you really believe this sort of logic you
would have to attack the Levitical system itself and its animals
sacrificed for sin, as meaningless.
But they are meaningful...to cruel, inhumane pagans that is.
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you
upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the
blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." Leviticus 17:11
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without
shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the
patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but
the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."
Hebrews 9:22-23
Not only does that not tell us anything, it is wrong. Of all things that are
most vital for the life of an animal, the brain would be it.
And God clearly said something else that contradicts the above, but makes much
more logical sense and is far more humane and justifiable:
"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than
burnt offerings" (Hsa 6:6)
"But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not
sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to
repentance" (Mat 9:13)
No one force God to require an inhumane sacrifice, especially when a simple "I'm
sorry" would have more than sufficed.
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error?
I will trust God, He says in his word, "Behold, all souls are mine; as
the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul
that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4.
That does not explain why a so-called just God would punish billions of people
for Adam's error. If you want to say that God can do whatever He wants to do
with us because He created us, I would say you were wrong in just the same way
that just because a mother gives birth to her son doesn't mean she has the right
to abuse him.
Why would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth
pain?
Who are you? The birth-pain has to do with Genesis, a book you would
defend if you were Jewish. It seems you are as angry at Jesus as you
are at Judaism! Maybe you need to get straight what you actually do
believe, if anything.
You didn't answer that question either. Are you are an intellectual coward or
are you dishonestly trying to avoid the question?
If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why
blame them for being fooled?
Eve was fooled,
Because she didn't know evil from good.
Adam was rebellious because he obeyed Eve instead of
God. Adam should have obeyed God. Very simple.
How could Adam known it was wrong to not obey God, if he didn't know good from
evil?
The book of Romans goes on further to say
"Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why
couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being
murdered to cancel out sin?
This is not Romans, it is from the book of Matthew (9:13, 12:7). Jesus
twice quoted this passage from the old testament:
"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more
than burnt offerings. But they like men have transgressed the
covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me." Hosea
6:6-7
The Jews were offering meaningless sacrifices under the levitic
system. It had become currupt. Read the book of Hebrew and learn why
Jesus is not like these sacrifices, he was the perfect sacrifice.
It wasn't the system or the sacrifices that were corrupt. The system was perfect
because God invented it...unless you care to admit that God isn't so perfect
afterall.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"My friend plans to make a fortune with his invention. It's a
big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
COMES CLEAN, by Bill Jones
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| User: "Don McIntosh" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
11 Apr 2004 12:15:03 AM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote:
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body?
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls.
I think it's more like Jesus sacrificed his body rather than requiring
men to perpetually sacrifice the bodies of animals in order to
vicariously, albeit only partially, appease God's demand for purity
and holiness. God is just.
That
violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the
Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding
sacrifice, can it?
That really depends on just how hair-splittingly you choose to read
and define words. Jesus became a man in place of men, but that doesn't
correspond well enough for you. Let's see if I can pick a similar nit:
First you said "corresponding ransom," then you turned around and said
"corresponding sacrifice." Well, which is it? ;-)
In Christian theology there is a certain postmortem soul-body
distinction that applies to everyone. That is, men die physically and
then their bodies decompose, whereas their souls perpetuate in one of
two eternal states. Hell is the eternal abode of sin, and thus of
eternal souls whose sins have never been abolished. For Jesus to have
sacrificed his soul to save the souls of men, he would have had to
commit sin (in which case another Jesus would have had to sin to save
the first Jesus, etc.) Sin - and the cycle of death it creates - is of
course the problem Jesus was attempting to solve. So had he chosen the
soul-sacrifice route instead, you would be here now posting something
to the effect that Jesus was a big hypocrite, unworthy of anyone's
devotion.
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error?
That's something Calvinists have attempted to answer in terms of
"total depravity" and "sovereignty," but the question is really
misleading. If we are punished, it is for our willing part in
duplicating Adam's error. Otherwise the very concept of "sin" is
meaningless. You are complaining about this meanwhile in the context
of discussing Jesus' willing sacrifice for our sins?
Why
would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth
pain? If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why
blame them for being fooled?
The fact that the forbidden fruit dangled from what was called the
Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil doesn't necessitate (or even
imply in context) that Adam and Eve had *zero* moral awareness
whatsoever. They apparently had the intellectual wherewithal to
understand "don't eat from this tree, or else you will die." After
some evident soul-searching deliberation over whether or not to obey
this moral imperative, they disobeyed it, hence fooling themselves.
The book of Romans goes on further to say
"Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why
couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being
murdered to cancel out sin?
Again, God is just, not just nice. Judges don't simply repeatedly
forgive repeated offenses by the same criminal. Such grace is
pointless, as it doesn't help anyone involved. But I think what Jesus
and Hosea before him were saying (don't recall reading it in Romans)
had more to do with a divine view of human social interactions than
with defining the strictest requirements of atonement anyway: I'm not
free to despise others, for example, simply because I fast twice a
week or give tithes from all that I possess. But why would you be
offended that the Father and the Son alike agreed to this program in
order to cancel the debt of sin on your behalf? Jesus himself seems to
have been fully compliant with the idea, and fully satisfied with how
everything turned out, so why would you protest for Jesus' sake?
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Jez" |
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11 Apr 2004 10:34:31 AM |
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"Don McIntosh" <jothamtzschwager@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4670f030.0404102115.688f490b@posting.google.com...
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body?
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls.
I think it's more like Jesus sacrificed his body rather than requiring
men to perpetually sacrifice the bodies of animals in order to
vicariously, albeit only partially, appease God's demand for purity
and holiness.
God is just.
ROFLMAO !!!!!
A vicious, jealous, lying, murdering bigot is Just !!!
Eeeeeeccchhhh!!!!!!!!
You guys are sick !!!
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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28 Apr 2004 07:22:28 PM |
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Reply to article by: (Don McIntosh)
Date written: 10 Apr 2004 22:15:03 -0700
MsgID:<4670f030.0404102115.688f490b@posting.google.com>
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body?
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls.
I think it's more like Jesus sacrificed his body rather than requiring
men to perpetually sacrifice the bodies of animals in order to
vicariously, albeit only partially, appease God's demand for purity
and holiness.
That doesn't answer the question, it evades it. What part of animals die during
a sacrifice? Why did God personally decide to require inhuman and pagan
sacrificing of animals when a simple "I'm sorry" would have sufficed?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"My friend plans to make a fortune with his invention. It's a
big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
COMES CLEAN, by Bill Jones
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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27 Apr 2004 09:21:23 PM |
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Reply to article by: (Truth Hunter)
Date written: 10 Apr 2004 11:56:47 -0700
MsgID:<e164e783.0404101056.787f487b@posting.google.com>
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body?
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd? God sent Jesus to save our souls
with Jesus' body. Jesus didn't sacrifice his soul to save men's
souls...he sacrificed his physical body to save men's souls. That
violates the definition of the words "corresponding ransom" that the
Bible uses to describe this event. How can the Bible say Jesus
sacrificed his life if the only thing he sacrificed was some worthless
old shell of a body, and the real Jesus, his soul,
continued to live on? That can hardly count as a corresponding
sacrifice, can it?
The book of Romans says that we "deserve" to die for our sins, but why
would a "just" God punish billions of people for Adam's error? Why
would a "just" God give women extra punishment in the form of birth
pain? If Adam and Eve didn't know evil from good to begin with, why
blame them for being fooled? The book of Romans goes on further to say
"Learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice," so why
couldn't God just forgive us instead of insisting on Jesus being
murdered to cancel out sin?
I am happy to see that I have helped yet another person see the Truth.
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"My friend plans to make a fortune with his invention. It's a
big metal box with a slot on one side and a sign that says
'How gullible are you? To find out, insert $50.'" -- COMEDY
COMES CLEAN, by Bill Jones
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| User: "Jodi" |
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10 Apr 2004 06:46:06 PM |
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Just the body, the spirit lives on !
http://www.geocities.com/botenth/innocent.htm
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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10 Apr 2004 02:45:02 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Truth Hunter:
What part of Jesus died on the Cross? Just the body? Jesus' body died
but his soul did not. Isn't that odd?
Of course it is, since it is obvious souls do not exist.
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Vic Sagerquist
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Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
10 Apr 2004 04:28:41 PM |
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To express it in simplistic terms that an ignoramus like you might
have a chance of possibly understanding, Jesus died and Christ didn't.
P.S. I'm positively crushed and desolated that you never seem to have
even looked at the Arabic-language "Shield of the Trinity" diagram
that I made just for you at http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/#shield-trinity
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Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
10 Apr 2004 05:48:46 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach AnonMoos:
To express it in simplistic terms that an ignoramus like you might
have a chance of possibly understanding, Jesus died and Christ didn't.
I can sort of relate to this. There might have been a man named Jesus, who
existed around that time, who was a heretic preacher, who may or may not
have died on the cross a martyr. "Christ" is a legend, like "Krishna",
"Horus", "Dionysus" and "Attis". Legends don't die. Well, notphysically
at least.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: What part of Jesus died on the Cross? |
10 Apr 2004 09:52:39 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach AnonMoos:
To express it in simplistic terms that an ignoramus like you might
have a chance of possibly understanding, Jesus died and Christ didn't.
I can sort of relate to this. There might have been a man named Jesus, who
existed around that time, who was a heretic preacher, who may or may not
have died on the cross a martyr. "Christ" is a legend, like "Krishna",
"Horus", "Dionysus" and "Attis". Legends don't die. Well, notphysically
at least.
No - Legends don't die - they just become embellished
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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