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Date: 02 Aug 2006 12:21:07 AM
Object: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm
On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make the
morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription. Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?
Claim #1: The morning-after pill does NOT cause an abortion.
Web sites that promote the morning-after pill claim that it "will not cause
an abortion." However, they also state that one way that the morning-after
pill can prevent pregnancy is by inhibiting implantation in the uterus. They
fail to say what is inhibited from implanting. It is an embryo, a human in
the earliest stage of life. Embryos contain 23 chromosomes from the mother
and 23 chromosomes from the father - the full genetic information of a
distinct human being. This "inhibition" caused by the morning-after pill
terminates a human life.
Claim #2: The morning-after pill has been adequately tested and is safe for
all users.
The FDA declined to approve the morning-after pill to be available
over-the-counter (OTC) because it has not been adequately tested to ensure
that this high level of hormones can be used safely by adolescents, who
constitute a target market for the drug. As the owner of Plan B admits,
there are no data on what occurs in an overdose. This could occur if a young
woman decides to take an extra dose when she experiences the common side
effect of vomiting or, in her belief, to increase its effectiveness. It is
currently unknown whether a maximum, safe, daily, monthly, or yearly dose
exists.
Promoters have not conducted the necessary studies, yet claim that it's been
proven safe.
Claim #3: The morning-after pill will be used for emergencies only.
Proponents describe "emergency" as any "unprotected intercourse or a known
or suspected contraceptive failure (i.e., a broken condom)." The
morning-after pill is seen as another form of birth control. In fact, the
study that Barr Labs submitted to the FDA found that a full one-third of
women did not know - after being counseled and reading the label - that it
was not to be used as a regular form of birth control. That number increased
among younger women and those with lower literacy, and does not account for
those who do not read English.
This proved true in Jamaica when the morning-after pill was made available
through pharmacists; pharmacists reported that a disturbing number of
schoolgirls were buying the drug, and that a drop in condom sales also
occurred. Doctors in Spain admit that many times, for young people in
particular, the morning-after pill is the principal or only contraceptive
method used. They recorded some women taking the drug as often as seven
times a month.
OTC access means there will be no record of the frequency that a woman takes
the morning-after pill. She could go to multiple pharmacies to make multiple
purchases of this high-dose birth control. Pharmacists in countries that
have tried this easy-accessibility approach, such as Jamaica, Thailand and
the United Kingdom, have found this to be the case.
Most disturbingly, pharmacists report that schoolgirls buy it multiple
times. This makes sense, considering they would be drawn by the opportunity
to keep their activity secret.
Claim #4: The morning-after pill will decrease the number of abortions.
Those depending on the morning-after pill as a contraceptive must take into
account that it prevents pregnancy only 75 to 89 percent of the time. If
more women rely on the morning-after pill, particularly as a form of birth
control, the number of failures will increase as well. The final result
appears to be more pregnant women who resort to abortion.
Sound far-fetched? Take for example the countries that have made the
morning-after pill accessible to the public without a prescription. In
Scottish schools, teenage pregnancy among 13- to 15-year-olds rose 10
percent in one year. In 2006, the country reported the highest number of
abortions since abortion was legalized in 1967. In the United Kingdom,
abortion rates increased by 6,000 in one year with the largest leap among
girls younger than 16 years old.
Countries where the morning-after pill is easily accessible have experienced
an increase in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In the United Kingdom,
specific STDs such as gonorrhea increased by 50 percent in only three years
after the morning-after pill was distributed without prescription.
In a four-year period, the number of cases of chlamydia went up 76 percent.
Gonorrhea went up 55 percent. Syphilis went up 54 percent. Genital warts
went up 20 percent.
Claim #5: Pharmacists are qualified to distribute the morning-after pill.
Pharmacists cannot conduct medical exams to detect medical conditions. Heart
and liver problems, for example, exclude women from taking oral
contraceptives, which are just low doses of the morning-after pill. The
public setting of a store limits pharmacists' counseling on private matters
of abuse or personal medical issues, conversations that are especially
crucial in the process of dispensing oral contraceptives to minors. If a
doctor is dispensing federally funded birth control and suspects a case of
statutory rape, he is required by law to report the situation.
OTC availability of the morning-after pill means that women who have not
been counseled or screened for medical conditions, and who may not have
access to a physician in case complications arise, have unlimited access to
Plan B.
In the United Kingdom, after the morning-after pill was made accessible
through pharmacists, nurses with the Royal College of Nursing complained
that pharmacists were failing to warn women of possible complications and
failing to carry out routine medical assessments. In addition, many
pharmacists expressed concern over its easy accessibility, claiming that
young girls were requesting the pill multiple times and were easily able to
hide their consumption of this drug from their physicians.
Claim #6: Easy access to the morning-after pill will benefit women.
Although supporters of the morning-after pill claim to have women's best
interests at heart, easy access to Plan B can actually be used to exploit
women and could endanger their health. If the morning-after pill is
available OTC, anyone could buy it and slip it to a woman without her
knowledge. A woman who may want to be pregnant could become the victim of a
man who does not want her to have a child.
OTC access of the morning-after pill could potentially harm young girls in
particular. Interaction with a physician is crucial to discovering STDs that
could lead to infertility or cancer, and intervening to rescue girls who are
being sexually abused.
As the age of a sexually active girl decreases, the chance that her first
sex was unwanted or involuntary increases. Teenage girls make up the largest
percent of the population that has experienced rising abortion and STD rates
in conjunction with nonprescription access to Plan B.
Easy access to Plan B would enable statutory rapists, adult men who are
having sex with minors, to have unhindered access to the pill to cover up
their crime.
Claim #7: Women need immediate access to the morning-after pill.
Making the morning-after pill available OTC means it will be available to
the entire public, including adolescents and women with contrary medical
conditions. Yet advocates are arguing that these women should be put at risk
to accommodate women who demand not only quick access to the drug, but with
no questions asked by medical professionals.
Claim #7: The FDA and those who oppose easy access to the morning-after pill
are putting politics and an "anti-choice" agenda ahead of science.
The FDA declined to make the morning-after pill OTC due to a lack of
adequate testing of the pill, and common-sense concern about the
consequences.
The morning-after pill is a high dose of the birth control pill. Let's
re-emphasize that fact: The morning-after pill Plan B is the birth control
pill, except that it is stronger, equal to 25 regular birth-control pills.
The FDA has never approved a medicine as OTC when a lower dose of the same
drug requires a prescription.
Another medication, RU-486, also known as the abortion pill, terminates an
unborn child's life in the first trimester. It is associated with six
women's deaths in the United States and is different from the morning-after
pill. However, abortion advocates have conducted tests using RU-486 as a
morning-after pill. If the morning-after pill were approved to be available
OTC, it could open the door for consideration of OTC access to RU-486.
Easy access to the morning-after pill has become a political substitute for
the abortion debate. As abortion advocates have lost elections, legislation
and public opinion, they have diverted attention to the morning-after pill.
Yet as the evidence shows, easy access does not live up to their promises.
Women should not have to pay the price of STDs, abortion and abuse so that
abortion advocates can score a political victory.
--
----------
J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Why do the catholic theocrats hate women 02 Aug 2006 01:18:09 AM
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm
On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make the
morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription.

Even though it's been tested for decades and was accepted as being
safe.

Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?

Yes.

Claim #1: The morning-after pill does NOT cause an abortion.
Web sites that promote the morning-after pill claim that it "will not cause
an abortion."

It CANNOT cause an abortion.

However, they also state that one way that the morning-after
pill can prevent pregnancy is by inhibiting implantation in the uterus.

Then preventing pregnancy and preventing abortion.

They
fail to say what is inhibited from implanting. It is an embryo, a human in
the earliest stage of life.

Pro-liar *****.

Claim #2: The morning-after pill has been adequately tested and is safe for
all users.

The FDA declined to approve the morning-after pill to be available
over-the-counter (OTC) because it has not been adequately tested to ensure
that this high level of hormones can be used safely by adolescents,

And that, supposedly, justifies preventing ALL women from using it.
Plan-B is the same drug as the Pill. It's been in use for decades.

Claim #3: The morning-after pill will be used for emergencies only.
Proponents describe "emergency" as any "unprotected intercourse or a known
or suspected contraceptive failure (i.e., a broken condom)." The
morning-after pill is seen as another form of birth control.

And THAT is what has these religious PERVERTS bothered - the fact that
women might actually have sex and not have to suffer through
childbirth for it.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Loogie"

Title: Re: Why do the catholic theocrats hate women 02 Aug 2006 05:49:17 AM
Ray Fischer wrote:

<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm
On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make the
morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription.


Even though it's been tested for decades and was accepted as being
safe.

Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?


Yes.

Claim #1: The morning-after pill does NOT cause an abortion.
Web sites that promote the morning-after pill claim that it "will not cause
an abortion."


It CANNOT cause an abortion.

However, they also state that one way that the morning-after
pill can prevent pregnancy is by inhibiting implantation in the uterus.


Then preventing pregnancy and preventing abortion.

They
fail to say what is inhibited from implanting. It is an embryo, a human in
the earliest stage of life.


Pro-liar *****.

Claim #2: The morning-after pill has been adequately tested and is safe for
all users.

The FDA declined to approve the morning-after pill to be available
over-the-counter (OTC) because it has not been adequately tested to ensure
that this high level of hormones can be used safely by adolescents,


And that, supposedly, justifies preventing ALL women from using it.

Plan-B is the same drug as the Pill. It's been in use for decades.

Claim #3: The morning-after pill will be used for emergencies only.
Proponents describe "emergency" as any "unprotected intercourse or a known
or suspected contraceptive failure (i.e., a broken condom)." The
morning-after pill is seen as another form of birth control.


And THAT is what has these religious PERVERTS bothered - the fact that
women might actually have sex and not have to suffer through
childbirth for it.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

You have won today's award for Pro-Choice. Click the link to see a
picture of you accepting your prize.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
God loves you
L
.
User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Why do the catholic theocrats hate women 02 Aug 2006 09:31:54 AM
In article <1154515757.654361.249720@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
boogieloogie@gmail.com says...


You have won today's award for Pro-Choice.

Loogie the loser has failed to rebut a single argument Ray made, thus
conceding the debate.

Click the link to see a
picture of you accepting your prize.

No, you've apparently shown a picture of an anti-choicer, hiding your
head from anything that would interfere with your moronic, freedom-hating
worldview.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.



User: "Curt"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 02 Aug 2006 01:16:16 AM
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:roidnfJ1SIIdq03ZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews.com...







http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm



On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make

the

morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription. Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?

Of course.
Curt
.

User: "Curt"

Title: Re: What anti-choice terrorists want you to believe about the safe, effective medication known as Plan B 07 Aug 2006 02:10:32 PM
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:roidnfJ1SIIdq03ZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews.com...


http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm
On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make

the

morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription. Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?

I wouldn't spend too much time on whatever "scrutiny" the CWFA can provide,
Young.



Claim #1: The morning-after pill does NOT cause an abortion.


Web sites that promote the morning-after pill claim that it "will not

cause

an abortion." However, they also state that one way that the morning-after
pill can prevent pregnancy is by inhibiting implantation in the uterus.

They

fail to say what is inhibited from implanting. It is an embryo, a human in
the earliest stage of life. Embryos contain 23 chromosomes from the mother
and 23 chromosomes from the father - the full genetic information of a
distinct human being. This "inhibition" caused by the morning-after pill
terminates a human life.

No, it prevents an embryo from implanting. That's why it "does NOT cause an
abortion". See?



Claim #2: The morning-after pill has been adequately tested and is safe

for

all users.


The FDA declined to approve the morning-after pill to be available
over-the-counter (OTC) because it has not been adequately tested to ensure
that this high level of hormones can be used safely by adolescents, who
constitute a target market for the drug. As the owner of Plan B admits,
there are no data on what occurs in an overdose. This could occur if a

young

woman decides to take an extra dose when she experiences the common side
effect of vomiting or, in her belief, to increase its effectiveness. It is
currently unknown whether a maximum, safe, daily, monthly, or yearly dose
exists.

You think people are going to be taking a "monthly or yearly" dose of
freaking MORNING AFTER PILLS?



Promoters have not conducted the necessary studies, yet claim that it's

been

proven safe.


Claim #3: The morning-after pill will be used for emergencies only.


Proponents describe "emergency" as any "unprotected intercourse or a known
or suspected contraceptive failure (i.e., a broken condom)." The
morning-after pill is seen as another form of birth control. In fact, the
study that Barr Labs submitted to the FDA found that a full one-third of
women did not know - after being counseled and reading the label - that it
was not to be used as a regular form of birth control. That number

increased

among younger women and those with lower literacy, and does not account

for

those who do not read English.

While that might mean we need to do better counseling, it's still not a
reason to prevent the smart girls from getting it if they want.



This proved true in Jamaica when the morning-after pill was made available
through pharmacists; pharmacists reported that a disturbing number of
schoolgirls were buying the drug, and that a drop in condom sales also
occurred. Doctors in Spain admit that many times, for young people in
particular, the morning-after pill is the principal or only contraceptive
method used. They recorded some women taking the drug as often as seven
times a month.

Apparently we need to do better counseling. Still and all, your CWFA has no
right to try to keep this away from the smart girls.



OTC access means there will be no record of the frequency that a woman

takes

the morning-after pill. She could go to multiple pharmacies to make

multiple

purchases of this high-dose birth control. Pharmacists in countries that
have tried this easy-accessibility approach, such as Jamaica, Thailand and
the United Kingdom, have found this to be the case.

So?



Most disturbingly, pharmacists report that schoolgirls buy it multiple
times. This makes sense, considering they would be drawn by the

opportunity

to keep their activity secret.

So? They're going to be bumping uglies anyway. Would you rather have them
pregnant as well?



Claim #4: The morning-after pill will decrease the number of abortions.


Those depending on the morning-after pill as a contraceptive must take

into

account that it prevents pregnancy only 75 to 89 percent of the time. If
more women rely on the morning-after pill, particularly as a form of birth
control, the number of failures will increase as well. The final result
appears to be more pregnant women who resort to abortion.

Hang on. Less pregnancy means more abortion? Sheesh.



Sound far-fetched? Take for example the countries that have made the
morning-after pill accessible to the public without a prescription. In
Scottish schools, teenage pregnancy among 13- to 15-year-olds rose 10
percent in one year. In 2006, the country reported the highest number of
abortions since abortion was legalized in 1967. In the United Kingdom,
abortion rates increased by 6,000 in one year with the largest leap among
girls younger than 16 years old.

If that's true, which I'd kinda doubt, it's still no reason to keep this
safe, effective medication out of the hands of the smart girls, now is it?



Countries where the morning-after pill is easily accessible have

experienced

an increase in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In the United

Kingdom,

specific STDs such as gonorrhea increased by 50 percent in only three

years

after the morning-after pill was distributed without prescription.

Counseling counseling.



In a four-year period, the number of cases of chlamydia went up 76

percent.

Gonorrhea went up 55 percent. Syphilis went up 54 percent. Genital warts
went up 20 percent.

Counseling counseling.



Claim #5: Pharmacists are qualified to distribute the morning-after pill.


Pharmacists cannot conduct medical exams to detect medical conditions.

Heart

and liver problems, for example, exclude women from taking oral
contraceptives, which are just low doses of the morning-after pill. The
public setting of a store limits pharmacists' counseling on private

matters

of abuse or personal medical issues, conversations that are especially
crucial in the process of dispensing oral contraceptives to minors. If a
doctor is dispensing federally funded birth control and suspects a case of
statutory rape, he is required by law to report the situation.

So? A girl can get a rubber OTC and the pharmacist doesn't report anything.



OTC availability of the morning-after pill means that women who have not
been counseled or screened for medical conditions, and who may not have
access to a physician in case complications arise, have unlimited access

to

Plan B.

Good.



In the United Kingdom, after the morning-after pill was made accessible
through pharmacists, nurses with the Royal College of Nursing complained
that pharmacists were failing to warn women of possible complications and
failing to carry out routine medical assessments. In addition, many
pharmacists expressed concern over its easy accessibility, claiming that
young girls were requesting the pill multiple times and were easily able

to

hide their consumption of this drug from their physicians.

Counseling counseling.



Claim #6: Easy access to the morning-after pill will benefit women.


Although supporters of the morning-after pill claim to have women's best
interests at heart, easy access to Plan B can actually be used to exploit
women and could endanger their health. If the morning-after pill is
available OTC, anyone could buy it and slip it to a woman without her
knowledge. A woman who may want to be pregnant could become the victim of

a

man who does not want her to have a child.

Oh for pete's sake. This is streeeeeetching.



OTC access of the morning-after pill could potentially harm young girls in
particular. Interaction with a physician is crucial to discovering STDs

that

could lead to infertility or cancer, and intervening to rescue girls who

are

being sexually abused.

Yeah. I bet CWFA also opposes the HPV vaccine, huh?



As the age of a sexually active girl decreases, the chance that her first
sex was unwanted or involuntary increases. Teenage girls make up the

largest

percent of the population that has experienced rising abortion and STD

rates

in conjunction with nonprescription access to Plan B.


Easy access to Plan B would enable statutory rapists, adult men who are
having sex with minors, to have unhindered access to the pill to cover up
their crime.

Dude.. they already have that access. Everyone knows a woman who's on the
pill.



Claim #7: Women need immediate access to the morning-after pill.


Making the morning-after pill available OTC means it will be available to
the entire public, including adolescents and women with contrary medical
conditions. Yet advocates are arguing that these women should be put at

risk

to accommodate women who demand not only quick access to the drug, but

with

no questions asked by medical professionals.

Yup. It should be available to the entire public.



Claim #7: The FDA and those who oppose easy access to the morning-after

pill

are putting politics and an "anti-choice" agenda ahead of science.


The FDA declined to make the morning-after pill OTC due to a lack of
adequate testing of the pill, and common-sense concern about the
consequences.


The morning-after pill is a high dose of the birth control pill. Let's
re-emphasize that fact: The morning-after pill Plan B is the birth control
pill, except that it is stronger, equal to 25 regular birth-control pills.

We know that. And the FDA has dragged its feet on making this safe,
necessary medication available because of political and religious concerns,
rather than scientific concerns.



The FDA has never approved a medicine as OTC when a lower dose of the same
drug requires a prescription.


Another medication, RU-486, also known as the abortion pill, terminates an
unborn child's life in the first trimester. It is associated with six
women's deaths in the United States and is different from the

morning-after

pill. However, abortion advocates have conducted tests using RU-486 as a
morning-after pill. If the morning-after pill were approved to be

available

OTC, it could open the door for consideration of OTC access to RU-486.

Again, this is a streeeeeetch..



Easy access to the morning-after pill has become a political substitute

for

the abortion debate. As abortion advocates have lost elections,

legislation

and public opinion, they have diverted attention to the morning-after

pill.

Yet as the evidence shows, easy access does not live up to their promises.

Anti-choice activists are horrified by this pill because they know they
won't be able to harass pregnant teenagers anymore if this safe, effective
medication becomes available. They won't be able to stand outside women's
clinics and scream imprecations at terrifed girls anymore, because the girls
won't be there -- the girls won't be pregnant in the first place.



Women should not have to pay the price of STDs, abortion and abuse so that
abortion advocates can score a political victory.

Women should not have to experience pregnancies they don't want. They also
shouldn't have to have abortions to end those pregnancies. This safe,
effective medication allows women to prevent an unwanted pregnancy from
occurring, without having an abortion. I cannot imagine why the CWFA and
their buddies could be against this, unless their agenda is really something
other than reducing abortions and unwanted pregnancies.
Curt
.

User: "Josh Miles"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 02 Aug 2006 07:13:17 AM
wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm



On May 6, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declined to make the
morning-after pill, also known as Plan B, available over-the-counter (OTC)
without a prescription. Proponents of the morning-after pill fought back,
alleging that "politics trumped science." But do their claims stand up to
scrutiny?


Claim #1: The morning-after pill does NOT cause an abortion.


Web sites that promote the morning-after pill claim that it "will not cause
an abortion." However, they also state that one way that the morning-after
pill can prevent pregnancy

Yep, that's what it does. It prevents pregnancy. Not an abortion at all.
.

User: "Martin"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 02 Aug 2006 03:06:18 AM
wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm
Sound far-fetched? Take for example the countries that have made the
morning-after pill accessible to the public without a prescription. In
Scottish schools, teenage pregnancy among 13- to 15-year-olds rose 10
percent in one year. In 2006, the country reported the highest number of
abortions since abortion was legalized in 1967. In the United Kingdom,
abortion rates increased by 6,000 in one year with the largest leap among
girls younger than 16 years old.

Hang on a sec...the morning after pill needs a prescription issued by a
GP or other doctor.
Let's have the stats here Young, the real stats.


Countries where the morning-after pill is easily accessible have experienced
an increase in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In the United Kingdom,
specific STDs such as gonorrhea increased by 50 percent in only three years
after the morning-after pill was distributed without prescription.

Nothing at all to do with the morning after pill, this is due to
complacency and youngsters not using condoms rather relying on the pill.
When the government ran the AIDS campaigns the rate of STDs plummeted,
now there is a new generation of kids who were not exposed to the 5
years of government 'propoganda' (sorry, couldn't think of a better
word, what is good propaganda called?) in the 80's.



In a four-year period, the number of cases of chlamydia went up 76 percent.
Gonorrhea went up 55 percent. Syphilis went up 54 percent. Genital warts
went up 20 percent.


Claim #5: Pharmacists are qualified to distribute the morning-after pill.

Might as well say that pharmacists are not qualified to dispense any
drugs without a prescription.

Pharmacists cannot conduct medical exams to detect medical conditions. Heart
and liver problems, for example, exclude women from taking oral
contraceptives, which are just low doses of the morning-after pill. The
public setting of a store limits pharmacists' counseling on private matters
of abuse or personal medical issues, conversations that are especially
crucial in the process of dispensing oral contraceptives to minors.

You're an idiot, this applies to ANY drug dispensed by a pharmacist.
I've had enough. Go back under your bridge tosser.
.
User: "robpar"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 AM
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:06:18 +0100, Martin
<usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:

Countries where the morning-after pill is easily accessible have experienced
an increase in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In the United Kingdom,
specific STDs such as gonorrhea increased by 50 percent in only three years
after the morning-after pill was distributed without prescription.


Nothing at all to do with the morning after pill, this is due to
complacency and youngsters not using condoms rather relying on the pill.

When the government ran the AIDS campaigns the rate of STDs plummeted,
now there is a new generation of kids who were not exposed to the 5
years of government 'propoganda' (sorry, couldn't think of a better
word, what is good propaganda called?) in the 80's.

Truthful advertising. Allow the maker of contraceptive,
and prophylactics to advertise their products. Make sex
without protection as unthinkable as not shaving their legs.
Or using a deodorant.
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 02 Aug 2006 03:49:20 PM
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9hi1d2ho696b7t98jnvv9554nove45mmj7@4ax.com> wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:06:18 +0100, Martin
<usenet1@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:

Countries where the morning-after pill is easily accessible have experienced
an increase in sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In the United Kingdom,
specific STDs such as gonorrhea increased by 50 percent in only three years
after the morning-after pill was distributed without prescription.


Nothing at all to do with the morning after pill, this is due to
complacency and youngsters not using condoms rather relying on the pill.

When the government ran the AIDS campaigns the rate of STDs plummeted,
now there is a new generation of kids who were not exposed to the 5
years of government 'propoganda' (sorry, couldn't think of a better
word, what is good propaganda called?) in the 80's.


Truthful advertising. Allow the maker of contraceptive,
and prophylactics to advertise their products. Make sex
without protection as unthinkable as not shaving their legs.
Or using a deodorant.

With the added advantage of fundies dropping like flies.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.
User: "Loogie"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 02:14:55 PM
Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.
L
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 06:21:06 PM
"Loogie" <boogieloogie@gmail.com> writes:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

When you can get pregnant, little man, then you'll have a say in making a
choice. Until then, have fun with your delusions of competence.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 06:55:08 PM
On 05 Aug 2006 18:21:06 -0500, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <szkmzaizs4d.fsf@fnord.io.com> wrote:

"Loogie" <boogieloogie@gmail.com> writes:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


When you can get pregnant, little man, then you'll have a say in making a
choice. Until then, have fun with your delusions of competence.

I never said I had any say in making any choice. My only interest is
to insure a viable choice is available to all women. They make their
own choice.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.


User: "FiveTwoAlphaOne MikeOscarPapa.org"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 04:12:36 PM
Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id



Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom



Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

Ever read the Freakonomic assertion that when you don't
have choice, unwanted kids grow up to be criminals?
The stats prove it.
No choice=more crime.
Choice=less crime.
--
MikeOscarPapa
Remember Dr. David Kelly - a British Hero
http://www.rense.com/general43/kelly.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076869.stm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_murder_of_kelly.html
.

User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 04:32:35 PM
Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

L

Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended! Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom?
Freedom for who?
.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 06:24:39 PM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her choice
has ended! Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom? Freedom for who?

Free clue, little kook in California: you don't get to make that decision for
any woman, and it's not 1967 any more. Might as well wake up from your
four-decade nap. (I won't mention the wife and I being pro-choice almost as
long as that, and being parents and grandparents as well.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.
User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 07:16:33 PM
The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her choice
has ended! Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom? Freedom for who?


Free clue, little kook in California: you don't get to make that decision for
any woman, and it's not 1967 any more. Might as well wake up from your
four-decade nap. (I won't mention the wife and I being pro-choice almost as
long as that, and being parents and grandparents as well.)

Free clue, murder is not pro-choice it is pro-death. Me and my wife
NEVER even thought of doing such a wicked thing to an unborn baby. But
having discussed it we opted for adoption had it ever have came to that.
(Never did) Life is ALWAYS the best choice, murder never is.


.
User: "The Chief Instigator"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 11:50:01 PM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended! Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom? Freedom
for who?

Free clue, little kook in California: you don't get to make that decision
for any woman, and it's not 1967 any more. Might as well wake up from your
four-decade nap. (I won't mention the wife and I being pro-choice almost
as long as that, and being parents and grandparents as well.)

Free clue, murder is not pro-choice it is pro-death. Me and my wife NEVER even
thought of doing such a wicked thing to an unborn baby. But having discussed
it we opted for adoption had it ever have came to that. (Never did) Life is
ALWAYS the best choice, murder never is.

We're talking about the decision to continue a pregnancy or not - and abortion
isn't murder, your delusions to the contrary notwithstanding. If you don't
like abortion, don't have one - and you will do the rest of us the courtesy of
drawing our own conclusions about it.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 2 (May 9)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 7 vs. Grand Rapids, 7:35
.

User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 06 Aug 2006 05:28:18 AM
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:16:33 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<yLudnWn2IoV1qUjZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

The Chief Instigator wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her choice
has ended! Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom? Freedom for who?


Free clue, little kook in California: you don't get to make that decision for
any woman, and it's not 1967 any more. Might as well wake up from your
four-decade nap. (I won't mention the wife and I being pro-choice almost as
long as that, and being parents and grandparents as well.)


Free clue, murder is not pro-choice it is pro-death.

Murder is not the issue.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.



User: "Bill Shatzer"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 07:25:18 PM
Larry (Scratch) wrote:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended!

And rape and incest should be handled just how? There is no "choice" in
those situations.

Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom?

Because it's neither murder nor an unborn baby.
It's an abortion and it's a fetus.

Freedom for who?

For people - which are generally considered the only ones entitled to
freedom.
Unless you're a PETA member or some such.
Peace and justice,
.
User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 07:37:13 PM
Bill Shatzer wrote:

Larry (Scratch) wrote:

Loogie wrote:


Attila wrote:


On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C.
Her choice has ended!


And rape and incest should be handled just how? There is no "choice" in
those situations.

So because of the sins of the father the child is murdered. Take it out
on the innocent that can't fight back. Very brave of you. There is a
word that will take care of this it is spelled A-D-O-P-T-I-O-N Ever
heard of it? Look it up.


Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom?


Because it's neither murder nor an unborn baby.

What do you call it to devise a plan to end a life?


It's an abortion and it's a fetus.

It is an unborn child nit.


Freedom for who?


For people - which are generally considered the only ones entitled to
freedom.

Unless you're a PETA member or some such.

I am I belong to People who enjoy Eating Tasty Animals.


Peace and justice,

Peace huh? Justice? What a laugh. how about saving a life instead of
ending a life. That is peace and Justice.
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 06 Aug 2006 05:32:40 AM
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:37:13 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RLWdnZrThMpdpEjZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Bill Shatzer wrote:

Larry (Scratch) wrote:

Loogie wrote:


Attila wrote:


On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C.
Her choice has ended!


And rape and incest should be handled just how? There is no "choice" in
those situations.


So because of the sins of the father the child is murdered.

A sentence full of error and propaganda.
The word 'sin' indicates you have a religious agenda, and you cannot
force your religion on others.
Since abortion is legal and murder requires an illegal act it is clear
that no murder is involved.
There is no child prior to live birth.

Take it out
on the innocent

Another religious indicator.

that can't fight back. Very brave of you. There is a
word that will take care of this it is spelled A-D-O-P-T-I-O-N Ever
heard of it? Look it up.

Are you aware there are huge numbers of actual children who are never
adopted?



Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom?


Because it's neither murder nor an unborn baby.


What do you call it to devise a plan to end a life?

Who cares? The freedom of choice is not such a plan.



It's an abortion and it's a fetus.


It is an unborn child nit.

You are wrong. It is not a child until live birth has occurred.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.
User: "FiveTwoAlphaOne MikeOscarPapa.org"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 06 Aug 2006 05:41:49 AM
Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:37:13 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<RLWdnZrThMpdpEjZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:


Bill Shatzer wrote:

Larry (Scratch) wrote:


Loogie wrote:


Attila wrote:


On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C.
Her choice has ended!


And rape and incest should be handled just how? There is no "choice" in
those situations.


So because of the sins of the father the child is murdered.



A sentence full of error and propaganda.
The word 'sin' indicates you have a religious agenda, and you cannot
force your religion on others.
Since abortion is legal and murder requires an illegal act it is clear
that no murder is involved.
There is no child prior to live birth.


Take it out
on the innocent



Another religious indicator.



that can't fight back. Very brave of you. There is a
word that will take care of this it is spelled A-D-O-P-T-I-O-N Ever
heard of it? Look it up.



Are you aware there are huge numbers of actual children who are never
adopted?


Why murder an unborn baby and call that freedom?


Because it's neither murder nor an unborn baby.


What do you call it to devise a plan to end a life?



Who cares? The freedom of choice is not such a plan.


It's an abortion and it's a fetus.


It is an unborn child nit.



You are wrong. It is not a child until live birth has occurred.

Yeah, the pro-life people insist on a private understanding of
something that isn't in the Bible. Not Old or New Testaments.
BTW - What about the fact that where you have pro-choice,
you have much lower crime stats, and where you don't,
you have much higher crime stats? The fact being that
unwanted kids become criminals?
--
MikeOscarPapa
Remember Dr. David Kelly - a British Hero
http://www.rense.com/general43/kelly.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076869.stm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_murder_of_kelly.html
.




User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 05:09:20 PM
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:32:35 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<H4edncJd6ZDnk0jZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

L



Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended!

Says who? You? Exactly where is that condition/restriction outlined?

Why murder

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal. Murder requires an illegal component. Without this illegal
component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs and bovine
DNA.
It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal - it simply cannot
happen, To talk as if it can is to dishonestly foster a lie and
deception, as well as clearly indicating the audience is too dumb to
know what is being said.

an unborn baby

There is no unborn baby.

and call that freedom?
Freedom for who?

The only person involved.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.
User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 05:30:59 PM
Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:32:35 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<H4edncJd6ZDnk0jZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

L


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended!


Says who? You? Exactly where is that condition/restriction outlined?

Why murder


Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal.

Legal huh? If a law was passed that said it was legal for me to spit in
your mouth would you honor that law also? Just because a law is made
don't make it a good or right law. I do believe a few years ago it was
legal to own slaves. Some laws need to be overturned.
Murder requires an illegal component. Without this illegal

component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs and bovine
DNA.

It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal - it simply cannot
happen, To talk as if it can is to dishonestly foster a lie and
deception, as well as clearly indicating the audience is too dumb to
know what is being said.

Never known an elitist yet that didn't think they knew better then
everyone else.



an unborn baby


There is no unborn baby.

and call that freedom?
Freedom for who?


The only person involved.


--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 06:52:44 PM
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:30:59 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<W96dna_GDsK3gUjZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:32:35 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<H4edncJd6ZDnk0jZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

L


Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended!


Says who? You? Exactly where is that condition/restriction outlined?

Why murder


Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal.


Legal huh? If a law was passed that said it was legal for me to spit in
your mouth would you honor that law also?

It is highly unlikely any such law would be passed. If you did this I
could not have you arrested because it would not be illegal.

Just because a law is made
don't make it a good or right law.

Who decides which laws are good or right? Do only these 'good' or
'right' laws need to be obeyed?

I do believe a few years ago it was
legal to own slaves.

Yes, it was. As it had been for hundreds of years all over the world.

Some laws need to be overturned.

Some social structures become unnecessary. Like slavery.



Murder requires an illegal component. Without this illegal

component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs and bovine
DNA.

It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal - it simply cannot
happen, To talk as if it can is to dishonestly foster a lie and
deception, as well as clearly indicating the audience is too dumb to
know what is being said.


Never known an elitist yet that didn't think they knew better then
everyone else.

Evidently you consider those who write dictionaries to be elitists.



an unborn baby


There is no unborn baby.

and call that freedom?
Freedom for who?


The only person involved.


--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.
User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-AfterPill 05 Aug 2006 07:22:19 PM
Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:30:59 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<W96dna_GDsK3gUjZnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:32:35 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<H4edncJd6ZDnk0jZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Loogie wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath, all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

L

Once she makes the choice to hike her heals int he air without B.C. Her
choice has ended!

Says who? You? Exactly where is that condition/restriction outlined?

Why murder

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal.

Legal huh? If a law was passed that said it was legal for me to spit in
your mouth would you honor that law also?


It is highly unlikely any such law would be passed. If you did this I
could not have you arrested because it would not be illegal.

And at 64 years of age I never thought murdering an un-born child would
be made law but it is. That may make it legal but by all accounts it
does not make it right. I do believe in exceptions but very limited
exceptions.



Just because a law is made
don't make it a good or right law.


Who decides which laws are good or right? Do only these 'good' or
'right' laws need to be obeyed?

Get a clue and think about that question.

Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom..

Is really pro-death.
.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 06 Aug 2006 12:48:44 PM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

And at 64 years of age I never thought murdering an un-born child would
be made law but it is. That may make it legal but by all accounts it
does not make it right. I do believe in exceptions but very limited
exceptions.

If you're 64, you would have been around 30 for Roe V Wade.
You've had better than thirty years to get used to the march of freedom.
Curt
.

User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 06 Aug 2006 05:26:39 AM
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:22:19 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xc6dnbhSjuDYq0jZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com> wrote:

Why murder

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal.

Legal huh? If a law was passed that said it was legal for me to spit in
your mouth would you honor that law also?


It is highly unlikely any such law would be passed. If you did this I
could not have you arrested because it would not be illegal.


And at 64 years of age I never thought murdering an un-born child would
be made law but it is.

There is no unborn child.
Since abortion is legal and murder requires an illegal act clearly no
murder is or can be involved.
Since the freedom of choice became available in 1973 it appears it has
taken you 33 years to notice it.

That may make it legal but by all accounts it
does not make it right.

Right and wrong have no intrinsic values and will change from person
to person and over time.

I do believe in exceptions but very limited
exceptions.

You may believe in the tooth fairy but that does not require anyone
else to do so.





Just because a law is made
don't make it a good or right law.


Who decides which laws are good or right? Do only these 'good' or
'right' laws need to be obeyed?


Get a clue and think about that question.

Non-responsive.
Can't you answer the questions?


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom..


Is really pro-death.

No
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.






User: "Attila"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 05 Aug 2006 03:23:46 PM
On 5 Aug 2006 12:14:55 -0700, "Loogie" <boogieloogie@gmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1154805295.775823.294630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:


Attila wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:57:26 -0500, robpar <robpar@netportusa.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id


Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom


Yeah just ask all of the innocent kids that have been murdered before
taking their first breath,

There are no kids before live birth, which means the first breath has
been taken. Plus, abortion is not murder.

all for the sake of making some chick's life
easier.

No reason or justification is required for either choice under the
freedom of choice.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
.




User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: What Pro-abortionists Don't Want You to Know About the Morning-After Pill 02 Aug 2006 12:42:50 PM
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:06:18 +0100, Martin in
<44d05cee$0$30331$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk> wrote:

youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/11112/CWA/life/index.htm


Sound far-fetched? Take for example the countries that have made the
morning-after pill accessible to the public without a prescription. In
Scottish schools, teenage pregnancy among 13- to 15-year-olds rose 10
percent in one year. In 2006, the country reported the highest number of
abortions since abortion was legalized in 1967. In the United Kingdom,
abortion rates increased by 6,000 in one year with the largest leap
among girls younger than 16 years old.


Hang on a sec...the morning after pill needs a prescription issued by a GP
or other doctor.

The FDA was considering making it available over the counter in the US.
The medical community and the science backed them up, so the religious
freaks did and end run and stopped them. We don't do science anymore here.
Off to the dark ages we go...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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