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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Fred Stone"
Date: 17 Jun 2005 08:34:46 AM
Object: What was that about being welcomed with flowers?
http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html
"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our tank
when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I couldn't be
rude and not take them so here I am walking across the entire area where
our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my
hand..."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.

User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 08:54:24 AM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119015293.9aa9b5f9a5baf24b8a35b636b710fe37@teranews...

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our tank
when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I couldn't

be

rude and not take them so here I am walking across the entire area where
our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my
hand..."

One in a fucking row.....what a pervasive trend you've noticed there, Fred.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 09:31:44 AM
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahooX.com> wrote in
news:kCAse.42629$j51.22973@tornado.texas.rr.com:


"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119015293.9aa9b5f9a5baf24b8a35b636b710fe37@teranews...

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and a wildflower in my hand..."


One in a fucking row.....what a pervasive trend you've noticed there,
Fred.

Ah, can't stand a little humanizing of the GIs in Iraq, can you?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 09:40:23 AM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119018704.bf949833ecd8b6656f9d8b813c87fb6d@teranews...

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yahooX.com> wrote in
news:kCAse.42629$j51.22973@tornado.texas.rr.com:


"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119015293.9aa9b5f9a5baf24b8a35b636b710fe37@teranews...

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and a wildflower in my hand..."


One in a fucking row.....what a pervasive trend you've noticed there,
Fred.


Ah, can't stand a little humanizing of the GIs in Iraq, can you?

I have no issue with the GI's whatsoever, so shove your 'accusation via
vague reference' right up your *****.
I have a problem with the fact that they are dying in Iraq, sent there for
***** reasons. That you can't discern that fact is a shortcoming on your
part, not mine.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.



User: "Frank Wustner"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 10:33:44 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our tank
when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I couldn't be
rude and not take them so here I am walking across the entire area where
our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my
hand..."

And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.
--
Frank W.
Atheist #119
BAAWA Knight
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 10:03:59 AM
Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fwustner-E0BDE1.20342017062005@news1.west.earthlink.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and a wildflower in my hand..."


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.

And yet, they have established their own government, they're working on
a new constitution, they're rebuilding their infrastructure, and their
native security forces are beginning to take up the load of fighting the
insurgency.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Frank Wustner"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 11:00:28 AM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and a wildflower in my hand..."


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, they have established their own government, they're working on
a new constitution, they're rebuilding their infrastructure, and their
native security forces are beginning to take up the load of fighting the
insurgency.

And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.
--
Frank W.
Atheist #119
BAAWA Knight
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 11:53:35 AM
Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fwustner-91E731.09010518062005@news1.west.earthlink.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol.
I couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across
the entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake
rose and a wildflower in my hand..."


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, they have established their own government, they're working
on a new constitution, they're rebuilding their infrastructure, and
their native security forces are beginning to take up the load of
fighting the insurgency.


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.

And yet, the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam are shallow and strained.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Frank Wustner"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 11:49:05 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol.
I couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across
the entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake
rose and a wildflower in my hand..."


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, they have established their own government, they're working
on a new constitution, they're rebuilding their infrastructure, and
their native security forces are beginning to take up the load of
fighting the insurgency.


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam are shallow and strained.

And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.
--
Frank W.
Atheist #119
BAAWA Knight
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 19 Jun 2005 06:59:27 AM
Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fwustner-90B73D.21494218062005@news1.west.earthlink.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Frank Wustner <fwustner@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to
our tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2
flowers...lol. I couldn't be rude and not take them so here I
am walking across the entire area where our vehicles are parked
and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my hand..."


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, they have established their own government, they're
working on a new constitution, they're rebuilding their
infrastructure, and their native security forces are beginning to
take up the load of fighting the insurgency.


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.


And yet, the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam are shallow and strained.


And yet, Iraq is still a huge Vietnam-style screw-up.

Only in your dreams.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.






User: "Olrik"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 11:29:20 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our tank
when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I couldn't be
rude and not take them so here I am walking across the entire area where
our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my
hand..."

Maudlin and despicable.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
.

User: "Kate "

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 09:28:02 AM
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:34:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our tank
when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I couldn't be
rude and not take them so here I am walking across the entire area where
our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and a wildflower in my
hand..."

LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.
Once again, your attempt at stretching facts to the snapping point to
bolster your support for a corrupt and inept administration is
pathetically noted.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 09:37:10 AM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42b9dcb8.85287140@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:34:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and
a wildflower in my hand..."


LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.

Once again, your attempt at stretching facts to the snapping point to
bolster your support for a corrupt and inept administration is
pathetically noted.

Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Misleart Chuff"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 02:41:52 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1119019031.fbf9d167dc2a63bc59a0352128af8c29@teranews...
:
(Kate ) wrote in
: news:42b9dcb8.85287140@news-west.newscene.com:
:
: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:34:46 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com>
: > wrote:
: >
: >>http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html
: >>
: >>"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
: >>tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol.
I
: >>couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
: >>entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and
: >>a wildflower in my hand..."
: >
: > LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
: > children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
: > flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
: > flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.
: >
: > Once again, your attempt at stretching facts to the snapping point
to
: > bolster your support for a corrupt and inept administration is
: > pathetically noted.
:
: Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
: little humanization of an American soldier.
Now if only one could humanize your sorry *****.....
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 12:07:52 PM
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.

fred, as a former soldier, let give you a hearty "***** you."
This story isn't about humanizing the troops, we have that on the news
every night. It's a desperate attewmpt to prove that we are welcome
in Iraq and not facing a growing insurgency.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 01:15:59 PM
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:7r06b156ipml4jsmdqa7gmgihreusf45gh@4ax.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.


fred, as a former soldier, let give you a hearty "***** you."

This story isn't about humanizing the troops, we have that on the news
every night.

On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead
soldier. A "hero" of whom the only heroic act mentioned is that he died.

It's a desperate attewmpt to prove that we are welcome
in Iraq and not facing a growing insurgency.

It's no such thing. It's one soldier writing on his own about how *he*
sees the situation in Iraq.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "655321"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 19 Jun 2005 08:01:36 PM
On 2005-06-17 11:15:59 -0700, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> said:

On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead soldier.

That's not even true on NPR (of all places, right?), where
extended-length humanizing segments telling the stories of individual
soldiers in Iraq are aired rather regularly.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --

I am not famous, I am notorious. And if I am rich, it is because I have
taken my wages in people.
- Quentin Crisp
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 20 Jun 2005 05:29:21 AM
655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in
news:2005061918012616807%DipthotDipthot@YahooYahooComCom:

On 2005-06-17 11:15:59 -0700, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
said:

On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead
soldier.


That's not even true on NPR (of all places, right?), where
extended-length humanizing segments telling the stories of individual
soldiers in Iraq are aired rather regularly.

What stories do they tell? Do they relate the missions those individuals
went on? Their courage in the face of enemy fire? Their humanity in
saving the lives of their comrades in arms?
Or is the "humanizing" like that on the CBS news, where they tell where
they grew up and what a good father they were and tell *nothing* about
their mission in Iraq, only the barest circumstance of their death?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "GlennGlenn"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 21 Jun 2005 08:05:30 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in
news:2005061918012616807%DipthotDipthot@YahooYahooComCom:

On 2005-06-17 11:15:59 -0700, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
said:

On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead
soldier.


That's not even true on NPR (of all places, right?), where
extended-length humanizing segments telling the stories of individual
soldiers in Iraq are aired rather regularly.


What stories do they tell? Do they relate the missions those individuals
went on?

Yes. Pretty much always.

Their courage in the face of enemy fire?

Yes. Pretty much always.

Their humanity in
saving the lives of their comrades in arms?

Yes. Pretty much always.

Or is the "humanizing" like that on the CBS news, where they tell where
they grew up and what a good father they were

Oh, that too. Pretty much always.

and tell *nothing* about
their mission in Iraq, only the barest circumstance of their death?

Not all of those covered were dead. In fact, most weren't.
GlennGlenn (655321)
DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 21 Jun 2005 10:13:02 PM
"GlennGlenn" <dipthot@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:1119402330.870558.184440@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:



Fred Stone wrote:

655321 <DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in
news:2005061918012616807%DipthotDipthot@YahooYahooComCom:

On 2005-06-17 11:15:59 -0700, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
said:

On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a
dead soldier.


That's not even true on NPR (of all places, right?), where
extended-length humanizing segments telling the stories of
individual soldiers in Iraq are aired rather regularly.


What stories do they tell? Do they relate the missions those
individuals went on?


Yes. Pretty much always.

Their courage in the face of enemy fire?


Yes. Pretty much always.

Their humanity in
saving the lives of their comrades in arms?


Yes. Pretty much always.

Or is the "humanizing" like that on the CBS news, where they tell
where they grew up and what a good father they were


Oh, that too. Pretty much always.

and tell *nothing* about
their mission in Iraq, only the barest circumstance of their death?


Not all of those covered were dead. In fact, most weren't.

Well, good for NPR. I always liked them when I was younger.
CBS and the other media that I have seen do not do that.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.




User: "towelie"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 09:41:01 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:7r06b156ipml4jsmdqa7gmgihreusf45gh@4ax.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.


fred, as a former soldier, let give you a hearty "***** you."

This story isn't about humanizing the troops, we have that on the news
every night.


On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead
soldier. A "hero" of whom the only heroic act mentioned is that he died.

It's a desperate attewmpt to prove that we are welcome
in Iraq and not facing a growing insurgency.


It's no such thing. It's one soldier writing on his own about how *he*
sees the situation in Iraq.

But you are twisting his writings to attempt to further your agenda.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 10:23:11 PM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:f4idnf86tOQoFC7fRVn-1Q@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:7r06b156ipml4jsmdqa7gmgihreusf45gh@4ax.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following

Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.


fred, as a former soldier, let give you a hearty "***** you."

This story isn't about humanizing the troops, we have that on the
news every night.


On the news every night we hear that the only good soldier is a dead
soldier. A "hero" of whom the only heroic act mentioned is that he
died.

It's a desperate attewmpt to prove that we are welcome
in Iraq and not facing a growing insurgency.


It's no such thing. It's one soldier writing on his own about how
*he* sees the situation in Iraq.


But you are twisting his writings to attempt to further your agenda.

I didn't twist anything. I posted a short excerpt from what he wrote,
verbatim, and gave a link to the whole piece. YOU all are the ones
trying to put your own spin out to "neutralize" his words.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.




User: "Kate "

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 06:16:02 PM
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:42b9dcb8.85287140@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:34:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose and
a wildflower in my hand..."


LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.

Once again, your attempt at stretching facts to the snapping point to
bolster your support for a corrupt and inept administration is
pathetically noted.


Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.

Let's see - you use the 'huminization of an American soldier' as
publicity fodder to politically support the outrageous abuse of that
little girl's people and you are trying to point a finger at me for
pointing out how lame that was.
I'd say you project nastiness even when you sleep.
Congratulations.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 07:32:57 PM
(Kate ) wrote in
news:42bc590b.117114453@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:37:10 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

(Kate ) wrote in
news:42b9dcb8.85287140@news-west.newscene.com:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:34:46 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/june/june_15.html

"...We finally were getting ready to leave and walking back to our
tank when a little girl came up to me and gave me 2 flowers...lol. I
couldn't be rude and not take them so here I am walking across the
entire area where our vehicles are parked and carrying a fake rose
and a wildflower in my hand..."


LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.

Once again, your attempt at stretching facts to the snapping point
to bolster your support for a corrupt and inept administration is
pathetically noted.


Ah, Kate brings out the predictable nastiness in order to deflect a
little humanization of an American soldier.



Let's see - you use the 'huminization of an American soldier' as
publicity fodder to politically support the outrageous abuse of that
little girl's people and you are trying to point a finger at me for
pointing out how lame that was.

I'd say you project nastiness even when you sleep.

You finding nastiness in that little vignette says more about you than
it does about me.

Congratulations.

What, for giving you another chance to show how despicable you are?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.



User: ""

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 10:09:16 AM
Kate wrote:

LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.

My brother-in-law is a marine officer, his unit was part of
the initial invasion. He saw *exactly* such welcoming parades
in towns and villages southeast of Baghdad when his unit was
passing through, everywhere there wasn't an active Iraqi
military unit (which were very few and far between in that
area at the time). I know you won't like it, but it's a
fact that a *lot* of Iraqis were very happy to see us.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.
User: "Misleart Chuff"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 17 Jun 2005 02:49:24 PM
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119020956.409707.318810@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: Kate wrote:
: > LOL, years afterward the troops came and rained down death on the
: > children of the land, one little girl gives a soldier a couple of
: > flowers and that's your definition of a huge welcoming parade with
: > flowers being tossed at the troops by everyone.
:
: My brother-in-law is a marine officer, his unit was part of
: the initial invasion. He saw *exactly* such welcoming parades
: in towns and villages southeast of Baghdad when his unit was
: passing through, everywhere there wasn't an active Iraqi
: military unit (which were very few and far between in that
: area at the time). I know you won't like it, but it's a
: fact that a *lot* of Iraqis were very happy to see us.
The fact is, whatever people were feeling then, they sure as hell
aren't feeling like that anymore. If they'd known how things would
turn out, they wouldn't have been so welcoming. An Iraqi acquantance
of mine says that he's glad that the US invaded, so what? He hasn't
looked at the situation closely, any more than you have. It's easy to
cherrypick the parts you like, out any given situation...especially,
if you don't look at the other parts at all.
.

User: "Divin Marquis"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 06:32:57 AM
Le Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:09:16 -0700, firelock_ny a écrit :

My brother-in-law is a marine officer, his unit was part of the initial
invasion. He saw *exactly* such welcoming parades in towns and villages
southeast of Baghdad when his unit was passing through, everywhere there
wasn't an active Iraqi military unit (which were very few and far between
in that area at the time). I know you won't like it, but it's a fact that
a *lot* of Iraqis were very happy to see us.

Hey, I believe you and your in-law.
The problem is that I can find countless testimonies of the exact opposite.
They're not mutually exclusive. It's just that ... well a few people like
(or at least used to like) the US coming in; and the majority does'nt. Or
at least wants them out ASAP.
.
User: "Katt"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 04:43:20 PM
"Divin Marquis" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.06.18.11.32.53.896543@127.0.0.1...

Le Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:09:16 -0700, firelock_ny a écrit :

My brother-in-law is a marine officer, his unit was part of the initial
invasion. He saw *exactly* such welcoming parades in towns and villages
southeast of Baghdad when his unit was passing through, everywhere there
wasn't an active Iraqi military unit (which were very few and far between
in that area at the time). I know you won't like it, but it's a fact
that
a *lot* of Iraqis were very happy to see us.


Hey, I believe you and your in-law.

The problem is that I can find countless testimonies of the exact
opposite.
They're not mutually exclusive. It's just that ... well a few people like
(or at least used to like) the US coming in; and the majority does'nt. Or
at least wants them out ASAP.

Actually, the *real* problem is simply that the observed 'friendly'
reactions of a conquered and occupied population mean exactly *jack ******
when that population (i) has learned to survive under a long-standing
tyranny by *doing whatever they thought the people with the guns wanted them
to do*, and (ii) is now occupied by the not-too-discriminatingly violent and
destructive forces of a hostile superpower.
This is not a not a complicated fucking concept, people -- even though our
resident anencephalics will fail to grasp it -- but just think about it: You
use napalm on a country; you fire cruise missiles into their market-places;
you execute the wounded and dying; and then you turn up in some
middle-of-nowhere *****-hole *in a tank*. *Of course* some woman or kid is
gonna give you flowers: he or she just wants to *stay alive*.
Jeezus fucking christ: how stupid *are* you people...?
Katt.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 20 Jun 2005 08:39:59 AM
Katt wrote:

Jeezus fucking christ: how stupid *are* you people...?

Smart enough for a genius like you to think us worth talking
to, apparently.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.
User: "Katt"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 20 Jun 2005 09:35:48 AM
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Katt wrote:

Jeezus fucking christ: how stupid *are* you people...?


Smart enough for a genius like you to think us worth talking
to, apparently.

1.
When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and the lake of
his home, and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and
solitude, and for ten years did not weary of it. But at last his heart
changed,--and rising one morning with the rosy dawn, he went before the
sun, and spake thus unto it:
Thou great star! What would be thy happiness if thou hadst not those for
whom thou shinest!
For ten years hast thou climbed hither unto my cave: thou wouldst have
wearied of thy light and of the journey, had it not been for me, mine
eagle, and my serpent.
But we awaited thee every morning, took from thee thine overflow
and blessed thee for it.
Lo! I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that hath gathered too much
honey; I need hands outstretched to take it.
I would fain bestow and distribute, until the wise have once more become
joyous in their folly, and the poor happy in their riches.
Therefore must I descend into the deep: as thou doest in the evening,
when thou goest behind the sea, and givest light also to the nether-world,
thou exuberant star!
Like thee must I GO DOWN, as men say, to whom I shall descend.
Bless me, then, thou tranquil eye, that canst behold even the greatest
happiness without envy!
Bless the cup that is about to overflow, that the water may flow golden out
of it, and carry everywhere the reflection of thy bliss!
Lo! This cup is again going to empty itself, and Zarathustra is again
going to be a man.
Thus began Zarathustra's down-going.
Katt.
.



User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: What was that about being welcomed with flowers? 18 Jun 2005 10:04:14 AM
Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.06.18.11.32.53.896543@127.0.0.1:

Le Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:09:16 -0700, firelock_ny a écrit :

My brother-in-law is a marine officer, his unit was part of the
initial invasion. He saw *exactly* such welcoming parades in towns
and villages southeast of Baghdad when his unit was passing through,
everywhere there wasn't an active Iraqi military unit (which were
very few and far between in that area at the time). I know you won't
like it, but it's a fact that a *lot* of Iraqis were very happy to
see us.


Hey, I believe you and your in-law.

The problem is that I can find countless testimonies of the exact
opposite. They're not mutually exclusive. It's just that ... well a
few people like (or at least used to like) the US coming in; and the
majority does'nt. Or at least wants them out ASAP.

Except that most polls show the opposite. The *vast* majority are glad
that we took Saddam out, a smaller majority are glad that we're sticking
around until they get their own security working, and a few wish we'd go
away and let them impose a dictatorship of their own making.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.





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