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User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 25 Feb 2006 06:56:12 AM
Object: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine?
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine35&item=1109664037
Abortion: A Modern Holocaust?
By Douglas S. Winnail
Every year, millions of unborn babies are being murdered in their
mothers' wombs. What does today's widespread acceptance of abortion
tell us about ourselves, and about our modern society? What will be the
future of a world where abortion becomes routine? You need to know!
In the last 40 years, the subject of abortion has erupted on the
world stage and provoked international controversy-polarizing people,
dividing countries and setting churches against states. Zealous
supporters of abortion, calling themselves "pro-choice," debate and
demonstrate with passion and zeal, countered by equally zealous
opponents of abortion, calling themselves "pro-life." Confrontations
between these two perspectives are often emotional and bitter,
sometimes becoming violent-or even fatal! Battle lines have been
drawn. One observer noted that "few issues have more thoroughly
fragmented contemporary society" (The Ethics of Abortion, Baird &
Rosenbaum, p. 7).
To understand this emotion-charged issue, it is helpful to know
why abortion has emerged as such a controversial topic in our time, and
to recognize what is ultimately at stake. Even more important is the
question: where is the acceptance of abortion leading our society?
Why has abortion become a controversial issue in many countries of
the world today? For centuries, abortion was scorned or forbidden in
many countries around the globe. Yet in the last half of the 20th
century, abortion was not merely accepted-it was embraced! With the
declining influence of Judeo-Christian values, and the resulting
rejection of biblical morality, many turned to permissive sexual
behavior, and "reproductive rights" became a rallying cry as women
abandoned traditional gender roles and sexually promiscuous men sought
pleasure without any regard for the consequences. Simultaneously, amid
fears of global overpopulation, governments began to subsidize-and
sometimes even to require, as in China-abortion as a means of "birth
control."
More than in most countries, the United States is divided on the
issue of abortion, as many still respect biblical standards of
morality. In Europe, abortion is a far less volatile issue, as only
about 10 percent of the population attends church services regularly,
compared to nearly half in the U.S.
A Global Concern
In the U.S., pro-life activists are motivated by the magnitude of
the abortion problem, yet the problem is even greater worldwide. Since
the U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion with the Roe v. Wade decision
in 1973, approximately 1.5 million abortions have been done every
year-for a total of more than 40 million young lives snuffed out!
More than six million babies have been killed in Britain since abortion
was legalized there in 1967. In the former Soviet Union and East Bloc
countries, the majority of pregnancies are terminated by abortion. In
China, where abortion was legalized in 1957, more than 100 million
abortions have occurred in the last four decades. In 1979, China
adopted a "one child" policy, severely restricting most parents'
opportunity to have a second child. With the development of ultrasound
technology (through which parents can learn the gender of a child in
the womb) has come the phenomenon of "sex-selective" abortions, in
which families restricted to one child will kill their unborn daughters
so that they can have a boy. Not surprisingly, observers note that the
current generation of young urban Chinese includes noticeably more men
than women!
In many countries-especially across Africa and Latin
America-abortions are routinely done under conditions so unsafe that
the mother is at grave risk of complications and suffering, or even
death.
Around the world, it is estimated that between 40 and 50 million
abortions occur annually (see The Abortion Debate, Kulczycki, p. 5).
This means that about one in every four pregnancies are ended by
induced abortion-poisoned, dismembered or suctioned out and
discarded!
In Germany, during World War II, Adolf Hitler's Nazi movement
killed an estimated six million Jews in what has become known as the
Holocaust. After the war, those responsible for this barbaric act of
cruelty were tried and convicted of crimes against humanity, and a
morally outraged world saw them hanged for their crimes. Today,
however, tens of millions of unborn babies die every year-many in the
very same nations that sat in judgment at Nuremburg.
It is no wonder that many today call widespread abortion a modern
holocaust. The mass murder of unborn babies, legal and socially
acceptable in our modern nations, has exceeded by far the numbers
killed in Germany under the Nazis, in Russia under Stalin, in China
under Mao Zedong and in Cambodia under Pol Pot-yet few today are
shocked or outraged! In fact, those who speak out against abortion are
commonly labeled as backward and right-wing religious fanatics.
Clouded by Arguments
But how did we reach a point where modern, educated people-with
a heritage of Christian values that regard abortion as illegal and
immoral-now accept and even demand that abortion be recognized as a
legal right? The answer lies in the arguments used by pro-abortionists,
which cloud the real issues at the heart of the controversy. When
examined closely, these arguments-though labeled "intellectual" and
"progressive"-are revealed as shallow and one-sided, willfully
ignoring basic facts of biology.
Pro-abortionists commonly argue that in the early stages of
pregnancy a developing embryo is not really a human life, as it is only
a "blob of tissue" that looks more like a tadpole than a human being.
In fact, however, this differentiating collection of cells is
developing in a way that will never result in a tadpole, or a tree or a
monkey! By 10 to 12 weeks, this little individual will have a
recognizable human face, arms, hands and fingers, legs, feet and toes.
It appears to smile and suck its thumb, and it even responds to sounds!
It is a miniature human being. Just because it does not appear human in
the early weeks of development does not make it a "sub-human" creature!
Pro-abortionists like to cloud the issue of when life begins. They
have argued that life does not begin until movement is felt, or the
first breath is drawn, or until the fetus is viable on its own, to
justify that abortion before these milestones is not really taking a
human life. However, the biological fact is that life begins at the
moment of conception. From that point, every cell in the developing
embryo contains the exact number of chromosomes and all the genetic
material that distinguishes this new human being from its parents. Some
say that the fetus is just an organ-a part of the mother's body
like the appendix or a hangnail-and that it is up to the mother to
decide if she wants it removed. However, from conception a fetus has a
different genetic makeup from any organ in the mother's body.
Terminating this life by abortion takes the life of a genetically
unique individual. Biologically, it is impossible to draw a line and
say life begins at any other point than at conception. The fetus moves
in the womb weeks before the mother feels any movement. While a fetus
cannot survive on its own outside the mother's body, neither can a
baby survive on its own after it is born! It must also be fed, nurtured
and cared for by others for years before it can survive on its own.
Pro-abortionists have suggested that legal abortions, by reducing
the number of "unwanted" pregnancies, reduce the incidence of child
abuse since every child born will be wanted and loved. However, since
abortion became legal, the incidence of child abuse has increased!
The argument that abortion must be legal in order to provide for
cases of rape, incest or detectable birth defects ignores the fact that
these reasons account for only a small fraction of abortions occurring
today (see chart). Many abortions occur among sexually active
adolescents for purely personal (and often selfish) reasons (Kulczycki,
p. 1). Abortions on demand-"killing for convenience"-are frequently
requested to avoid the responsibilities or embarrassment of unwanted
conceptions (Slouching Towards Gomorrah, Bork, p. l80).
Noted jurist Robert Bork points out that the U.S. Supreme
Court's Roe v. Wade decision, legalizing abortion, was viewed by
feminists as a "landmark on women's march to equality... the issue
had nothing to do with the humanity of the fetus but was entirely about
women's freedom" (Bork, p. 183). The pro-abortion argument likes to
focus on a woman's rights-unless the woman is in her mother's
womb!
Historical Perspectives
Supporters of abortion rarely consider the lessons of history. In
ancient pagan Greece and Rome, unwanted infants were exposed to the
elements and left to die. Abortion was an accepted practice, and a
variety of methods were available. Plato and Aristotle advocated
abortion to limit family size. Although Roman law was pro-family, it
was not anti-abortion. The decline of Rome saw an increase of crime,
promiscuity-and abortion. Christianity, by contrast, forbade murder
and taught that life was sacred, challenging pagan values and bringing
about what some have called the "first abortion war" (see Christianity
Today, October 6, 1989). This clash between Christian and pagan values
(visible not only in Scripture, but in the early Church Fathers) shaped
the anti-abortion attitudes of Western civilization for centuries.
Another "abortion war" erupted in the 1850s, when across the U.S.
abortion began to gain new popularity, spurred by new values shaped by
the Industrial Revolution. Medical doctors, however, backed restrictive
laws to curtail abortions by unqualified practitioners, which also had
the effect of limiting competition.
In the 1930s, Nazi Germany passed laws making it legal to kill the
old and infirm. This principle was later extended to allow the murder
of Jews, gypsies and other "unwanted" members of society. Nazi Germany
actually restricted abortion, however, of those whose genetics were
considered socially desirable.
It was not until the middle of the 20th century that the "abortion
wars" reached their zenith. In the 1960s and 1970s, the U.S. and U.K.
followed the examples set by China and the Soviet Union, legalizing
abortion. Centuries-old value systems were now being replaced by
ancient pagan values of life in many nominally "Christian" nations
around the world.
Fifty years ago, decent people were outraged to learn that Nazi
doctors had experimented on living human beings for "scientific"
purposes, and had harvested body parts for commercial use. Today, few
are concerned that human tissue from aborted fetuses is even used in
making face creams! How society has changed! Since abortion and
euthanasia were legalized in Holland, estimates suggest that 8 percent
of infants who die each year in the Netherlands are killed by doctors!
One observer commented that "it took the Dutch almost 30 years for
their medical practices to fall to the point that Dutch doctors are
able to engage in the kind of euthanasia activities that got some
German doctors hanged after Nuremberg."
The Biblical Dimension
The historical dimension of the abortion controversy is sobering.
But what about the moral question? Is abortion right or wrong? What
does the Bible say?
The Apostle Paul wrote: "But if anyone does not provide for his
own [family]... he has denied the faith" (1 Timothy 5:8). Would anyone
argue that a Christian can provide for a family member by killing him?
Remember: one of the Ten Commandments specifically condemns murder
(Exodus 20:13). In other words, any birth control method that induces
abortion is wrong.
Moses warned the Israelites not to practice the wicked customs of
their Canaanite neighbors-which included infanticide-the killing of
children. He instructed: "You shall not learn to follow the
abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you
anyone who makes his son or daughter pass through the fire... for they
burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods"
(Deuteronomy 18:9-14; 12:31).
King David described that the Israelites angered God because they
"sacrificed their sons and daughters to demons [false gods], and shed
innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and daughters" (Psalms
106:32-39). The prophet Ezekiel thundered God's warning that,
having forgotten God, they had "slain My children... blood is on their
hands. They have... sacrificed their sons whom they have born to Me,
passing them through the fire, to devour them" (Ezekiel 16:21; 23:37).
In direct defiance of God's instructions, ancient Israel had
adopted barbaric pagan practices of child killing! In response, the
prophet Jeremiah warned: "Also on your skirts is found the blood of the
lives of the poor innocents... Behold, I will bring such a catastrophe
on this place, that whoever hears of it, his ears will tingle, because
they have forsaken Me... therefore behold, the days are coming, says
the Lord, that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley
of the Son of Hinnom [where children were sacrificed], but the Valley
of Slaughter [when God uses foreign nations to punish His people for
killing their own children]" (see Jeremiah 2:34; 19:3-7). These
passages reveal how God views the slaughter of children, whether they
are infants or unborn babies!
Modern "ethicists" like Peter Singer of Princeton University have
offered arguments that an unborn fetus is less than human. This idea is
not new; it was common to many ancient pagan philosophers as well.
However, this approach is clearly refuted in the Bible. God told
Jeremiah: "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you; before you were
born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations"
(Jeremiah 1:5). An angel told Zacharias, father of John the Baptist,
that John would "also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his
mother's womb" (Luke 1:15). The Bible reveals that God regards unborn
babies as human beings, and that killing human infants, born or unborn,
will incur the wrath of Almighty God! Our modern secular society has
forgotten these powerful warnings!
A Sobering Future
But where is the drive to legalize abortion leading modern
nations? What is the acceptance of abortion doing to our societies?
Judge Robert Bork calls the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade
decision, which legalized abortion, an attempt by liberal secular
elites to impose their values on the rest of the nation (see Bork, p.
174). He observes: "Abortion has coarsened us" and it reflects "the
brutalization of our culture" (ibid., p. 182). He states: "The
systematic killing of unborn children in huge numbers is part of a
general disregard for human life that has been growing for some time.
Abortion... deepens and legitimates the nihilism [disregard for
traditional values] that is spreading in our culture and finds killing
for convenience acceptable" (ibid, p. 192).
British social critic Peter Hitchens makes a similar observation,
that abortion "corrupts any society which freely permits it. The idea
that innocent life may be lawfully ended for the convenience of others
or for the alleged good of society, once generally accepted, devastates
the rule of law itself" (The Spectator, August 7, 2004). British
columnist Bruce Anderson comments: "Over the last 40 years, the
abortion clinic has become an indispensable part of the life-support
system of the permissive society. The unrestricted enjoyment of sexual
license requires not only contraception but retroactive contraception
[abortion]" (The Spectator, July 17, 2004).
Even those who try to frame the debate in terms of "reproductive
rights" cannot honestly deny the negative social trends that have
accompanied the acceptance of abortion. They can only say that in their
value system, these negative trends are a price worth paying.
Ultimately, two questions are involved-whose values will prevail, and
who will control society? Dr. Andrzej Kulczycki, a United Nations
consultant, has observed that "the debate about abortion reflects a
conflict over who runs society"-social liberals or religious and
social conservatives-"their disagreements reflect very different
understandings of the fetus, of the woman, and indeed of how the world
should be structured" (The Abortion Debate, Kulczycki, pp. 157, 18).
These conflicting views are at the heart of the bitter cultural wars
that are polarizing people and dividing nations today.
It is significant that abortion is now widely accepted in many
cultures that historically called themselves "Christian." Bible
prophecy warns that "in the last days" people will be "lovers of
themselves [focused on their own rights and desires to the exclusion of
concern for others]... unloving [callous and without natural
affection-mothers for their own children]... brutal" (2 Timothy
3:1-5). These prophecies accurately describe our world today, yet
these trends will grow far worse in years to come. Thankfully, the
return of Jesus Christ will soon usher in the Kingdom of God, and bring
about a return to biblical values that will include "turning the hearts
of the fathers [and mothers] to their children." Then, finally, the
tragic modern holocaust of abortion will become a thing of the past!
Children of Carthage
Today's nations should learn a grim lesson from the way children
were treated in ancient Carthage, and from the fate that befell the
city. In 300BC, Carthage was the center of a rich trading empire, and
was a rival of Rome. Its citizens were wealthy, cultured and educated,
yet remarkably callous about taking human life. Unwanted orphans and
widows were killed "to reduce the amount of poverty and suffering in
the city" ( When Nations Die, Black, p. 164). Carthaginians burned
thousands of their own children to appease their patron goddess, Tanet.
Ancient writers report that frequent public sacrifices "took place in
front of a bronze statue of the god, with arms outstretched over a
blazing fire; the child slid down over the arms and fell" into the
flames ( The Phoenicians and the West, Aubet, p. 211). The necropolis
at Carthage contains more than 20,000 urns with charred remains of
infants and children. This gruesome practice finally ended when the
Romans besieged and destroyed Carthage in 146BC.
Historian Jim Nelson Black wondered how the murder of unborn
children in modern societies is any different from the murder of
children in ancient Carthage? He asked: "Isn't the rite of abortion
our culture's sacrifice to the gods of materialism and greed? The
Phoenicians killed many thousands of children... But in the entire
history of Carthage or of Rome, they never killed 30 million in the
name of "a woman's right to control her own body" (Black, p.
166).
The media lavished much attention on the famous Roman Catholic
nun, Mother Teresa, but only infrequently reported her stinging rebukes
of contemporary society. Mother Teresa likened abortion to "a war
against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by
the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her
own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?... Any
country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but
to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest
destroyer of peace and love is abortion" ( ibid., pp. 214-215).
Carthage continued its barbaric practice of murdering children
until the day it was destroyed. Will our society today, which permits
far greater evil, do the same?
-Douglas S. Winnail
Killing For Convenience
Reasons Given for Abortion:
Having a baby will change my life 76%
Cannot afford a baby now 68%
Want to avoid single parenthood 51%
Unready for responsibility 31%
Don't want others to know of pregnancy 31%
Not mature enough to have a child 30%
Fetus has a health problem 7%
Woman was victim of rape or incest 1%
(Family Planning Perspectives, July/August 1988, pp. 169-170)
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User: "Dutch"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 06 Mar 2006 05:32:21 AM
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine35&item=1109664037


Abortion: A Modern Holocaust?

By Douglas S. Winnail



Every year, millions of unborn babies are being murdered in their
mothers' wombs. What does today's widespread acceptance of abortion
tell us about ourselves, and about our modern society? What will be
the
future of a world where abortion becomes routine? You need to know!


D.O.A. The minute someone presumes abortion is murder, the minute
you
know
you have a crackpot.


Argumentum ad hominem.

Schmuck! Fetuses are not people.


Argumentum ad definitum.

You are running away from this debate by engaging in fallacies.


The only fallacy here is the disingenuous attempt to define a fetus as
a person.


Don't just assert, make an argument. Why is it unreasonable? Why is it
more
reasonable, more in touch with reality, to view a fetus as not a human,
not
a person, not having rights or vital interests?


Excuse me, but you're the one who is making the positive claim here;
you have the burden of proof.


So you are declining the opportunity to end this debate once and for all?


I'm declining the opportunity to waste untold time in an attempt to
prove a negative.

I could list a million significant similarities between fetuses and infants.
The list of differences is quite short, and none are morally significant.

If you follow back the thread I have made an argument. I invite you to
make
one.


I don't have to: noting that you've offered no reason to accept your
argument is sufficient.

Weak. You made the semantic observation that fetuses are not people. If we
are supposed to believe that has some moral significance or substance then
you should start typing.
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 06 Mar 2006 10:38:28 PM
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine35&item=1109664037


Abortion: A Modern Holocaust?

By Douglas S. Winnail



Every year, millions of unborn babies are being murdered in their
mothers' wombs. What does today's widespread acceptance of abortion
tell us about ourselves, and about our modern society? What will be
the
future of a world where abortion becomes routine? You need to know!


D.O.A. The minute someone presumes abortion is murder, the minute
you
know
you have a crackpot.


Argumentum ad hominem.

Schmuck! Fetuses are not people.


Argumentum ad definitum.

You are running away from this debate by engaging in fallacies.


The only fallacy here is the disingenuous attempt to define a fetus as
a person.


Don't just assert, make an argument. Why is it unreasonable? Why is it
more
reasonable, more in touch with reality, to view a fetus as not a human,
not
a person, not having rights or vital interests?


Excuse me, but you're the one who is making the positive claim here;
you have the burden of proof.


So you are declining the opportunity to end this debate once and for all?


I'm declining the opportunity to waste untold time in an attempt to
prove a negative.


I could list a million significant similarities between fetuses and infants.

And ignore all of the differences.

The list of differences is quite short,

Unless you're insane.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Dutch"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 08 Mar 2006 04:00:04 AM
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine35&item=1109664037


Abortion: A Modern Holocaust?

By Douglas S. Winnail



Every year, millions of unborn babies are being murdered in their
mothers' wombs. What does today's widespread acceptance of
abortion
tell us about ourselves, and about our modern society? What will
be
the
future of a world where abortion becomes routine? You need to
know!


D.O.A. The minute someone presumes abortion is murder, the minute
you
know
you have a crackpot.


Argumentum ad hominem.

Schmuck! Fetuses are not people.


Argumentum ad definitum.

You are running away from this debate by engaging in fallacies.


The only fallacy here is the disingenuous attempt to define a fetus
as
a person.


Don't just assert, make an argument. Why is it unreasonable? Why is it
more
reasonable, more in touch with reality, to view a fetus as not a
human,
not
a person, not having rights or vital interests?


Excuse me, but you're the one who is making the positive claim here;
you have the burden of proof.


So you are declining the opportunity to end this debate once and for
all?


I'm declining the opportunity to waste untold time in an attempt to
prove a negative.


I could list a million significant similarities between fetuses and
infants.


And ignore all of the differences.

Nope, I'm not dishonest like you.

The list of differences is quite short,


Unless you're insane.

In which case it's really, really long...
.
User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 10 Mar 2006 08:09:28 PM
In article <120tap4h14j6ea2@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Nope, I'm not dishonest

why did you post that lie?
.
User: "BOB"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 10 Mar 2006 08:20:17 PM
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in news:jgkeegan-
B0AF66.21092810032006@individual.net:

In article <120tap4h14j6ea2@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Nope, I'm not dishonest


why did you post that lie?

Probably for the same reason he lies when he "claims to be "pro-choice".
He is ashamed of being an anti-choice loon so he doesn't admit to it.

.





User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 26 Feb 2006 02:32:42 PM
pretending to be chris, In article
<1202qealhdcvaf7@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> mistakenly wrote:
[...]

Argumentum ad hominem.

Schmuck! Fetuses are not people.


Argumentum ad definitum.

you should learn what words you post them.
.
User: "Dutch"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 26 Feb 2006 06:26:55 PM
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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pretending to be chris, In article
<1202qealhdcvaf7@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> mistakenly wrote:

[...]

Argumentum ad hominem.

Schmuck! Fetuses are not people.


Argumentum ad definitum.


you should learn what words you post them.

Uh, sure james.
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User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: What Will Be The Future Of A World Where Abortion Becomes Routine? 27 Feb 2006 04:23:49 PM
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine35&item=1109664037


Abortion: A Modern Holocaust?

By Douglas S. Winnail
Every year, millions of unborn babies are being murdered in their
mothers' wombs. What does today's widespread acceptance of abortion
tell us about ourselves, and about our modern society? What will be the
future of a world where abortion becomes routine? You need to know!

Winnail uses his own definitions of the terms to make his case.
Unfortunately, for him and his political/religious brethren, that's
just PR crap.
If Winnail and ilk really wanted to end abortions, they could prevent
the causes of abortions: unwanted pregnancies. Comprehensive sex
education, birth control, and respect for self and others leads to a
lower abortion rate due to lower unwanted pregnancy rates. At least
that's what I've observed in other countries.
Unfortunately, the Religious Reich has too much invested in the
anti-abortion and No Sex campaigns to face reality.
JohnN
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