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"Deuteros" |
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27 Feb 2007 07:24:34 PM |
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What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms. Heres an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
Theres still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because were free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that theres honest political discourse. Theres free press
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, were going to get em. Theres no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
However, this meme doesnt seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didnt attack
Sweden, for example."
The current conventional wisdom among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
http://fraudwasteabuse.wordpress.com/2007/02/25/they-hate-us-because-we-are-free-and-not-muslim/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Feb 2007 12:53:30 AM |
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"What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us?"
Pretty much what the terrorists state *are* the reasons.
It's not rocket science.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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28 Feb 2007 01:01:07 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
"What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us?"
Pretty much what the terrorists state *are* the reasons.
It's not rocket science.
So far the only compelling evidence I've seen points to 9/11 being the work
of a network of highly placed insiders of the US, UK and Israeli
governments, perhaps with a bit of cooperation from the Pakistani ISI.
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2006/09/91101-our-purpose-was-to-document.html
Reeks of Rothschild to me.
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Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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28 Feb 2007 01:47:24 PM |
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On Feb 27, 11:01 pm, Hatto von Aquitanien <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
"What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us?"
Pretty much what the terrorists state *are* the reasons.
It's not rocket science.
So far the only compelling evidence I've seen points to 9/11 being the work
of a network of highly placed insiders
So far the evidence is compelling that grownups can't have a serious
conversation without a 9/11 nutter interrupting.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Feb 2007 03:34:41 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2007 11:47:24 -0800, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<santolina@juno.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172692044.663994.302020@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 27, 11:01 pm, Hatto von Aquitanien <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
"What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us?"
Pretty much what the terrorists state *are* the reasons.
It's not rocket science.
So far the only compelling evidence I've seen points to 9/11 being the work
of a network of highly placed insiders
So far the evidence is compelling that grownups can't have a serious
conversation without a 9/11 nutter interrupting.
Yeah. It is a conspiracy amongst thousands of bored juveniles working
for the CIA.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
28 Feb 2007 10:26:17 PM |
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The main reason is that we have pizza.
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| User: "Kel" |
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03 Mar 2007 09:11:43 AM |
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"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:JBsFh.3468$QI4.1370@trnddc01...
The main reason is that we have pizza.
No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what it's
really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops out of Saudi
Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call publicly for a State of
Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't American
newspapers report the news?
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| User: "Defendario" |
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03 Mar 2007 04:38:48 PM |
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Kel wrote:
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:JBsFh.3468$QI4.1370@trnddc01...
The main reason is that we have pizza.
No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what
it's really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops out
of Saudi Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call publicly
for a State of Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't American
newspapers report the news?
TY for making these points obvious to the oblivious.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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03 Mar 2007 10:28:07 PM |
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defendario sez:
"> No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what it's
really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops out of
Saudi Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call publicly for a
State of Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't American
newspapers report the news?.."
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Well, pleeese forgive me for not realizing you were an international big
shot of the same level as bin Laden.
So Osama makes it clear he figures he is enough of a big shot that he can
tell soverign nations to pull their troops out of anywhere he feels like
telling them to pull out.
*****! What the hell is it that prevents you, the Magnificent Defiendario
from telling everyone esle to pull their troops out of whatever and kiss
your rosy red *****? Besides, of course, that you don't have a gang of nut
jobs doing your bidding?
Osama made his play. Now he gets to live with his little creation, and
hopefully, die with it. That's the usual path for you international big
shots.
You boys are both afflicted with that old complex known as megalomania, and
you are both megalomaniacs...Osama just might be a notch or two above you in
grading.
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| User: "Kel" |
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04 Mar 2007 03:10:44 PM |
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"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:rVrGh.242$nf5.25@trnddc05...
defendario sez:
"> No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what it's
really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops out of
Saudi Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call publicly for a
State of Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't American
newspapers report the news?.."
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Well, pleeese forgive me for not realizing you were an international big
shot of the same level as bin Laden.
So Osama makes it clear he figures he is enough of a big shot that he can
tell soverign nations to pull their troops out of anywhere he feels like
telling them to pull out.
They pulled out. Just like he asked. Go figure, big shot.
*****! What the hell is it that prevents you, the Magnificent Defiendario
from telling everyone esle to pull their troops out of whatever and kiss
your rosy red *****? Besides, of course, that you don't have a gang of nut
jobs doing your bidding?
The comments that you are replying to are NOT Defendario's, they are mine.
You wondered why bin Laden attacked and I am telling you why he attacked.
Osama made his play. Now he gets to live with his little creation, and
hopefully, die with it. That's the usual path for you international big
shots.
What the hell are you talking about? Bush isn't even chasing him. The
neo-cons decided instead to invade Iraq, a country led by a man that bin
Laden referred to as an apostate and an enemy of Islam. But you bought
Bush's ***** I'm betting, yeah?
You boys are both afflicted with that old complex known as megalomania,
and you are both megalomaniacs...Osama just might be a notch or two above
you in grading.
You don't even know who you are talking to, so it's a bit rich for you to be
making comparisons.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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04 Mar 2007 08:26:43 PM |
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Kel wrote:
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:rVrGh.242$nf5.25@trnddc05...
defendario sez:
What I really said, which began the ruckus:
TY for making these points obvious to the oblivious.
"> No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what
it's really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops
out of Saudi Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call
publicly for a State of Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't
American newspapers report the news?.."
____________________________________
Well, pleeese forgive me for not realizing you were an international
big shot of the same level as bin Laden.
*Moi*?
O:-)
So Osama makes it clear he figures he is enough of a big shot that he
can tell soverign nations to pull their troops out of anywhere he
feels like telling them to pull out.
They pulled out. Just like he asked. Go figure, big shot.
The House of Saud asked Herr Bushler politely to please leave the
Kingdom, and he did.
*****! What the hell is it that prevents you, the Magnificent
Defiendario from telling everyone esle to pull their troops out of
whatever and kiss your rosy red *****? Besides, of course, that you
don't have a gang of nut jobs doing your bidding?
The comments that you are replying to are NOT Defendario's, they are
mine. You wondered why bin Laden attacked and I am telling you why he
attacked.
Quite accurately as well. As for the substance of the spew above, Docky
is a really weird guy. He's into red telephones and such
;-)
Defiendario. Lol
Osama made his play. Now he gets to live with his little creation, and
hopefully, die with it. That's the usual path for you international
big shots.
What the hell are you talking about? Bush isn't even chasing him. The
neo-cons decided instead to invade Iraq, a country led by a man that bin
Laden referred to as an apostate and an enemy of Islam. But you bought
Bush's ***** I'm betting, yeah?
Docky thinks Osama is controlling the insurgency in Iraq, as well as the
Hizb'ullah fighters, Iranian scientists, Code Pinkers, Sadrites, and the
convenience store clerks taking your gas money.
Weird conspiracy kook...pathetic
You boys are both afflicted with that old complex known as
megalomania, and you are both megalomaniacs...Osama just might be a
notch or two above you in grading.
You don't even know who you are talking to, so it's a bit rich for you
to be making comparisons.
I ought to be flattered that he compares me to the Prince of the Mujehadeen
;D
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| User: "The King of Men" |
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04 Mar 2007 05:51:41 PM |
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On Mar 4, 3:10=C2=A0pm, "Kel" <osterma...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
You wondered why bin Laden attacked and I am telling you why he attacked.
THE USA WAS NOT ATTACKED BY "ARABS" ON 9/11.
CIA AGENT TIM OSMAN IS DEAD:
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dtim+osman
Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in
Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in
December, 2001 and was buried in the mountains of southeast
Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the
information.
HALF OF THE "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE:
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
ISRAELI MOSSAD GAVE US THAT LIST OF NAMES.
"This system [the U.S. Government] is totally in control of the
American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."
- Osama Bin Laden (September 28, 2001)
THIS IS WHAT OSAMA MEANT:
"A NEW PERLE HARBOR"
http://www.google.com/search?q=3D%22a+new+pearl+harbor%22
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dpnac+israel
9/11 WAS AN ISRAELI MOSSAD "FALSE-FLAG" OPERATION:
http://www.google.com/search?q=3D911+israel
http://www.google.com/search?q=3D911+mossad
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfalse+flag
MOSSAD AGENTS BUSTED ON 9/11
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Ddancing+israelis
http://www.google.com/search?q=3Disraeli+art+students
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE USA IS AT WAR (READ IT):
"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break
http://www.google.com/search?q=3D%22a+clean+break%22
WHO WROTE "A CLEAN BREAK" in 1996 ???
Benjamin Netanyahu (Hebrew: =D7=91=D6=B4=D6=BC=D7=A0=D6=B0=D7=99=D6=B8=D7=
=9E=D6=B4=D7=99=D7=9F =D7=A0=D6=B0=D7=AA=D6=B7=D7=A0=D6=B0=D7=99=D6=B8=D7=
=94=D7=95=D6=BC Binyamin
Netanyahu) was the 9th Prime Minister of Israel.
Richard Norman Perle is an American political advisor and lobbyist who
worked for the Reagan administration as an assistant Secretary of
Defense and worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee from
1987 to 2004. He was Chairman of the Board from 2001 to 2003 under the
Bush Administration. He is a member of several conservative think-
tanks, such as Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the Hudson
Institute, and (as a resident fellow) the American Enterprise
Institute for Public Policy Research. He is also a Patron of the Henry
Jackson Society. Perle has written extensively on a number of issues;
his cited research interests including defense, national security and
the Middle East.
David Wurmser is the Middle East Adviser to US Vice President *****
Cheney.
Meyrav Wurmser is a neoconservative and an Israeli scholar of the Arab
world. She is married to David Wurmser, Middle East Adviser to US Vice
President ***** Cheney. She is also a member of the conservative US
think tank, the Hudson Institute.
Douglas J. Feith served as the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
for United States President George W. Bush from July 2001 until he
resigned from his position effective August 8, 2005.
Richard Armitage is Former Assistant Secretary of Defense
Robert J. Loewenberg founded Institute for Advanced Strategic &
Political Studies (IASPS-Jerusalem) in 1984 "after making aliyah to
Israel from the U.S., where he remains a citizen.
James Colbert is the communications director of "The Jewish Institute
for National Security Affairs" (JINSA), a Washington, D.C.-based non-
profit think-tank focusing on issues of United States national
security.
Charles Fairbanks, Jr. has held:
Director of the Central Asia Institute at John Hopkins University/
Paul Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS)
Richard V. Allen was appointed to the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board
(DPB) Advisory Committee, Hoover Institution: Senior Fellow, & signs
the PNAC documents.
Jeffrey T. Bergner has held:
Congressional Staff Director,
Senate Foreign Relations Committee
President of the government relations consulting firm Bergner,
Bockorny, Castagnetti, Hawkins & Brain
Jonathan Torop has held:
Soref research fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy
Robert Loewenberg has held:
President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
I think it's about time that we take OUR country back from these
Zionists.
FOX NEWS ON ISRAEL'S MOSSAD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfAoe26MaTew
- The King of Men
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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04 Mar 2007 12:49:14 AM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
defendario sez:
"> No, the main reason was your troops presence in Saudi Arabia and your
country supplying Israel with arms which she uses to subjugate the
Palestinian people. You might have got the idea that Bush knows what it's
really about by the fact that he has since pulled all US troops out of
Saudi Arabia and he's the first US President ever to call publicly for a
State of Palestine.
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches, don't American
newspapers report the news?.."
____________________________________
Well, pleeese forgive me for not realizing you were an international big
shot of the same level as bin Laden.
Bin Laden was acting as an agent provocateur for the Nazgl up until 8:46 am
on September 11, 2001. When UBL saw what he had been set up for, he
stopped playing the game.
So Osama makes it clear
He's dead.
*****! What the hell is it that prevents you, the Magnificent Defiendario
from telling everyone esle to pull their troops out of whatever and kiss
your rosy red *****? Besides, of course, that you don't have a gang of nut
jobs doing your bidding?
So then, whose bidding /are/ you doing?
Osama made his play.
Evidence? "The FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11" - Rex
Tomb of the FBI
Now he gets to live with his little creation, and hopefully, die with it.
That's the usual path for you international big shots.
Would that the implications were true.
You boys are both afflicted with that old complex known as megalomania,
and you are both megalomaniacs...Osama just might be a notch or two above
you in grading.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLhkkigepV0
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Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "The King of Men" |
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03 Mar 2007 04:39:49 PM |
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On Mar 3, 9:11 am, "Kel" <osterma...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
"Docky Wocky" <mrch...@lst.net> wrote in message
I mean, bin Laden makes this clear in all his speeches
"This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first
priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving
a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single
word." - Osama Bin Laden (September 28, 2001)
don't American
newspapers report the news?
NO, THEY DON'T.
ZIONISTS own our public television and all major news networks,
including: newspapers, magazines, tv.
THEY told us they are doing a great job,
EXCEPT FOR ONCE:
Fox News - 911 The Israeli Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Feb 2007 04:27:39 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:01:07 -0500, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
- Refer: <wKednWMsfocltXjYnZ2dnUVZ_tfinZ2d@speakeasy.net>
Michael Gray wrote:
"What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us?"
Pretty much what the terrorists state *are* the reasons.
It's not rocket science.
So far the only compelling evidence I've seen points to 9/11 being the work
of a network of highly placed insiders of the US, UK and Israeli
governments, perhaps with a bit of cooperation from the Pakistani ISI.
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2006/09/91101-our-purpose-was-to-document.html
Reeks of Rothschild to me.
Checked your medication lately?
I think it's about time...
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| User: "Maverick" |
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27 Feb 2007 11:03:34 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms. Heres an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
Theres still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because were free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that theres honest political discourse. Theres free press
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, were going to get em. Theres no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
However, this meme doesnt seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didnt attack
Sweden, for example."
The current conventional wisdom among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
http://fraudwasteabuse.wordpress.com/2007/02/25/they-hate-us-because-we-are-free-and-not-muslim/
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| User: "Dr. Zarkov" |
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28 Feb 2007 11:45:19 AM |
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Deuteros wrote:
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms. Heres an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
Theres still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because were free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that theres honest political discourse. Theres free press
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, were going to get em. Theres no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
However, this meme doesnt seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didnt attack
Sweden, for example."
The current conventional wisdom among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
http://fraudwasteabuse.wordpress.com/2007/02/25/they-hate-us-because-we-are-free-and-not-muslim/
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Feb 2007 12:01:06 PM |
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Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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28 Feb 2007 03:36:03 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
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| User: "Bill Dunkenfield" |
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28 Feb 2007 04:35:02 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
--
No, they are not opposite, they are on the extreme right wing of the
political spectrum.
JAM
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| User: "Dr. Zarkov" |
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01 Mar 2007 11:00:51 AM |
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Bill Dunkenfield wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
--
No, they are not opposite, they are on the extreme right wing of the
political spectrum.
JAM
Whatever they call themselves, I see very little difference between the
so-called conservatives and so-called liberals as far as their attitude
toward infringement on our rights and freedoms goes. They only differ
in which freedoms they want to take away.
The "conservatives" claim to be against big government but favor
criminalization of drugs, prostitution, pornography, and various other
victimless "crimes." They support huge spending programs to get us
involved in foreign entanglements and wars. They tend to support
forfeiture laws, random drug testing, and police abuses such as stops
and searches for trivial reasons.
The "liberals" claim to support individual rights, but they also favor
criminalization of drugs, prostitution, and various other victimless
"crimes." They support further restrictions on the right to own
firearms and the right to smoke even on private property. They support
foreign entanglements of their own.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 Mar 2007 01:26:18 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:35:02 -0500, Bill Dunkenfield
<BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote:
- Refer: <45E60396.B4C248B9@nospam.net>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
--
No, they are not opposite, they are on the extreme right wing of the
political spectrum.
Conservatism has nothing to do with right wing or left wing.
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| User: "Bill Dunkenfield" |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
01 Mar 2007 11:13:45 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:35:02 -0500, Bill Dunkenfield
<BillDunkenfield@nospam.net> wrote:
- Refer: <45E60396.B4C248B9@nospam.net>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
--
No, they are not opposite, they are on the extreme right wing of the
political spectrum.
Conservatism has nothing to do with right wing or left wing.
--
Conservatism is firmly on the right side of center. The people that
call themselves conservatives today are on the extreme right of center.
Their core belief is that the only legitimate function of the federal
government is national defense. Their record breaking deficit spending
on defense is proof of this.
I have no love for liberals either. That's why I'm an independent.
JAM
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| User: "Robert" |
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01 Mar 2007 01:12:05 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:06:03 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On 28 Feb 2007 18:01:06 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
- Refer: <45e5c362$0$14151$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
Dr. Zarkov <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote:
Harry Browne put it well after the 9/11 attacks:
"Stand back and ask how this could have happened. Ask how a prosperous
country isolated by two oceans could have so embroiled itself in other
people's business that someone would want to do us harm. Even sitting in
the middle of Europe, Switzerland isn't beset by terrorist attacks,
because the Swiss mind their own business."
--Harry Browne
Avoiding all foreign entanglements would not only avoid nearly all
future terrorist attacks but save us several hundred billion dollars a
year. But it will probably take a nuclear bomb to make politicians
realize the U.S. government should mind its own business--if then.
The comparison with the "war on drugs" is obvious. If the government
would just learn to mind its own business, it would solve most of the
problem in both cases. But government response is always to increase
the amount of involvement--After all, if they decrease government
spending, a lot of government parasites would have to find productive jobs.
I have noticed that, these days, it is the right-wing conservatives
who demand more government involvement is people's affairs. They want
the government to monitor what women do about their bodies, how people
have sex in private, what drugs you put into your own body, how you
spend your money, how you live, and they extend this "concern" to the
entire world.
They claim to be "conservative", but are in fact the exact opposite in
most areas.
Mostly devoutly religious, they love lies hate the truth. And I
agree "conservatives" are not conservative.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "ET" |
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28 Feb 2007 04:49:20 AM |
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On 2007-02-28 11:54:34 +1030, Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> said:
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms.
Did he mean... exactly like MICROSOFT also hates freedoms??
Substitution of a mere handful of words makes for an interesting
parallel:
Heres an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
Theres still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because were free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that theres honest political discourse. Theres free press
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, were going to get em. Theres no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in the world.
There's still a lot of WinShills roaming around, and they hate
Apple/Linux. They hate us because we're free. They cannot stand the
thought that we have freedom of choice in the world; that we respect
each other based upon our personal choice of OS. They cannot stand the
thought that there's honest internet discourse. There's free press -
confident they hate that. And so, wherever they try to hide, were going
to get 'em. There's no cave dark enough or deep enough from Mac/Linux
users."
However, this meme doesnt seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didnt attack
Sweden, for example."
""If anyone says we love freedom, let him tell you why we attacked
Netscape, Sun and Open Source (and a hundred others), for example""
The current conventional wisdom among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
"The currrent conventional wisdom among supporters of Mac/Linux seems
to be that the WinShills hate us and want to kill us because they are
Windows users and we are not..."
Seems to me that personal freedom is under attack from two fronts --
the only difference here being the choice of weapons. One prefers
Semtex while the other uses software.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
28 Feb 2007 05:05:28 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:19:20 +1030, ET <someone@somewhere.com.au>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172659857_64@news1.adam.com.au>
On 2007-02-28 11:54:34 +1030, Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> said:
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms.
Did he mean... exactly like MICROSOFT also hates freedoms??
Substitution of a mere handful of words makes for an interesting
parallel:
Here’s an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know it’s still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
There’s still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because we’re free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that there’s honest political discourse. There’s free press —
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, we’re going to get ‘em. There’s no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in the world.
There's still a lot of WinShills roaming around, and they hate
Apple/Linux. They hate us because we're free. They cannot stand the
thought that we have freedom of choice in the world; that we respect
each other based upon our personal choice of OS. They cannot stand the
thought that there's honest internet discourse. There's free press -
confident they hate that. And so, wherever they try to hide, were going
to get 'em. There's no cave dark enough or deep enough from Mac/Linux
users."
However, this meme doesn’t seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn’t attack
Sweden, for example."
""If anyone says we love freedom, let him tell you why we attacked
Netscape, Sun and Open Source (and a hundred others), for example""
The current conventional “wisdom” among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
"The currrent conventional wisdom among supporters of Mac/Linux seems
to be that the WinShills hate us and want to kill us because they are
Windows users and we are not..."
Seems to me that personal freedom is under attack from two fronts --
the only difference here being the choice of weapons. One prefers
Semtex while the other uses software.
Can someone explain to me how this serious thread about terrorism, has
somehow morphed into a puerile rant from a MacWanker??
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| User: "D-Chance." |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
28 Feb 2007 12:59:06 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote
Can someone explain to me how this serious thread about terrorism, has
somehow morphed into a puerile rant from a MacWanker??
Dude, it's Usenet...
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| User: "Peter Hayes" |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
02 Mar 2007 05:43:16 AM |
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Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:19:20 +1030, ET <someone@somewhere.com.au>
wrote:
- Refer: <1172659857_64@news1.adam.com.au>
On 2007-02-28 11:54:34 +1030, Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> said:
For a while after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 George Bush
made the claim that the terrorists attacked us because they hate our
freedoms.
Did he mean... exactly like MICROSOFT also hates freedoms??
Substitution of a mere handful of words makes for an interesting
parallel:
Here's an excerpt from a speech George Bush gave in 2002:
"You just need to know it's still a dangerous period in Afghanistan.
There's still a lot of killers roaming around, and they hate America.
They hate us because we're free. Then cannot stand the thought that we
have freedom of religion in America; that we respect each other based
upon our personal religious beliefs. They cannot stand the thought
that there's honest political discourse. There's free press —
confident they hate that. They hate us. And so, wherever they try to
hide, we're going to get 'em. There's no cave dark enough or deep
enough from the United States of America."
"You just need to know its still a dangerous period in the world.
There's still a lot of WinShills roaming around, and they hate
Apple/Linux. They hate us because we're free. They cannot stand the
thought that we have freedom of choice in the world; that we respect
each other based upon our personal choice of OS. They cannot stand the
thought that there's honest internet discourse. There's free press -
confident they hate that. And so, wherever they try to hide, were going
to get 'em. There's no cave dark enough or deep enough from Mac/Linux
users."
However, this meme doesn't seems to be as played up as much as it used to
be. Even Osama bin Laden himself has discounted it:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack
Sweden, for example."
""If anyone says we love freedom, let him tell you why we attacked
Netscape, Sun and Open Source (and a hundred others), for example""
The current conventional "wisdom" among supporters of the president seems
to be that the terrorists hate us and want to kill us because they are
Muslims and we are not. But how much truth does this assertion really
have?
"The currrent conventional wisdom among supporters of Mac/Linux seems
to be that the WinShills hate us and want to kill us because they are
Windows users and we are not..."
Seems to me that personal freedom is under attack from two fronts --
the only difference here being the choice of weapons. One prefers
Semtex while the other uses software.
Can someone explain to me how this serious thread about terrorism, has
somehow morphed into a puerile rant from a MacWanker??
Because the OP Wanker crossposted it to CSMA?
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Immunity is better than innoculation.
Peter
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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02 Mar 2007 05:53:07 AM |
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Peter Hayes wrote:
Because the OP Wanker crossposted it to CSMA?
Either that, or the question is misguided.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4757274759497686216
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Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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28 Feb 2007 01:41:46 PM |
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On Feb 27, 5:24 pm, Deuteros <deute...@xrs.net> wrote:
Terrorists are generally straightforward about their grievances,
there's no good reason for them not to be so. Leaders of nations, on
the other hand, have to balance a great many different interests in
order to stay in power, so they tend to obfuscate with rhetoric that
is only taken seriously by their hardcore political base and the
mainstream media. "They hate our freedom" is of course foolishly
simpleminded, but it is the type of thing we should expect from Bush
or any other gonvernment head.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: What's the real reason why the terrorists hate us? |
28 Feb 2007 03:37:38 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2007 11:41:46 -0800, "Santolina chamaecyparissus"
<santolina@juno.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1172691706.261782.280830@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 27, 5:24 pm, Deuteros <deute...@xrs.net> wrote:
Terrorists are generally straightforward about their grievances,
there's no good reason for them not to be so. Leaders of nations, on
the other hand, have to balance a great many different interests in
order to stay in power, so they tend to obfuscate with rhetoric that
is only taken seriously by their hardcore political base and the
mainstream media. "They hate our freedom" is of course foolishly
simpleminded, but it is the type of thing we should expect from Bush
or any other gonvernment head.
"tend to obfuscate with rhetoric"!
What a circumloqutious way to say "lie"! ;)
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