treatment that is actually due to more basic Darwinian motivations
that are, perhaps, not perceived by the parties involved. But yes, it
would serve well, in this role

"Shapescare" <farentilma...@gmail.com> said:

On 26 Jan, 22:50, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:

"Shapescare" <farentilma...@gmail.com> said:

On 26 Jan, 21:13, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Shapescare" <farentilma...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169840525.613291.259280@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Why aren't the Jews God's chosen people any more?Why are you posting crap like this in alt.atheism?

This isn't crap.
What impact would antisemitism have had in 1930's Germany had it not
been for Luther's view on the Jews?
This has got to do with what religious beliefs can lead to.
This is certainly relevant!If you try the newsgroup "soc.history.what-if" for that question; you

will find more interested people.

I personally have little interest in counterfactuals. What kind of
world would *not* have produced, in Luther, anti-semitism? Would that
world have produced someone else who took his role? Who knows.

Well, to cut it to the chase, I want to know if people agree with me
that religious belief/the bible's rejection of the Jews, are important
factors in understanding European antisemitism.I see Luther as a mere
pawn in the evolution of modern antisemitism.Sometimes I think the Bible itself is a pawn, being used to justify

treatment that is actually due to more basic Darwinian motivations
that are, perhaps, not perceived by the parties involved. But yes, it
would serve well, in this role.

On 26 Jan 2007 14:00:54 -0800 there was an Ancient "Shapescare"
<farentilma...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Well, to cut it to the chase, I want to know if people agree with me
that religious belief/the bible's rejection of the Jews, are important
factors in understanding European antisemitism.I see Luther as a mere
pawn in the evolution of modern antisemitism.

If you actually bothered to study history, you'd see that antisemitism

Different language, insular culture,
and as the power of the Catholic Church grew, they were one of the

groups not under its power.

But you want to know what really set things off? Pope Alexander III.
In 1179, he declared that charging interest on loans or money changing
was forbidden to Christains. Banking was already a marginal
profession, and the new law meant only one group in Europe could make
money off banking: The Jews.

Now not only were they insular heretics who spoke a strange language,
they were RICH insular heretics who spoke a strange language. Who
loves the guy who holds the mortgage on your castle?

That's when secular leaders (with the church's support) began forcing
Jews into Ghettos, ordering them to wear distinctive clothing, etc.
Since the Jews were by far the richest and best educated people in
Europe, this wasn't as bad as you think. The old ghetto in Prague, for
example, contains some of the most beautiful buildings in the city.

By the 15th Century, things were turning ugly. Jews were blamed for
plagues, wars, and pretty much everything from the cat barking on the
rug on up. This is the period where the Blood Libel gets started. By
the time Martin Luther (who pretty much hated everyone.. peasants,
Jews, the Church hierarchy, townspeople, etc.) posted his message on
alt.church.doors.wittenberg, hating Jews was just a part of European
life. A good European also hated Moors and Saracens (although he'd be
hard-pressed to pick one from a crowd,) whomever his lord hated, and
more than likely the local Bishop.

But the basic root of antisemistism is "They're different, and that
freaks me out."

On 26 Jan 2007 14:00:54 -0800 there was an Ancient "Shapescare"
<farentilmaren@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism

Well, to cut it to the chase, I want to know if people agree with me
that religious belief/the bible's rejection of the Jews, are important
factors in understanding European antisemitism.I see Luther as a mere
pawn in the evolution of modern antisemitism.

If you actually bothered to study history, you'd see that antisemitism
came from Jews being different. Different language, insular culture,
and as the power of the Catholic Church grew, they were one of the few
groups not under its power.

But you want to know what really set things off? Pope Alexander III.
In 1179, he declared that charging interest on loans or money changing
was forbidden to Christains. Banking was already a marginal
profession, and the new law meant only one group in Europe could make
money off banking: The Jews.

Now not only were they insular heretics who spoke a strange language,
they were RICH insular heretics who spoke a strange language. Who
loves the guy who holds the mortgage on your castle?

That's when secular leaders (with the church's support) began forcing
Jews into Ghettos, ordering them to wear distinctive clothing, etc.
Since the Jews were by far the richest and best educated people in
Europe, this wasn't as bad as you think. The old ghetto in Prague, for
example, contains some of the most beautiful buildings in the city.

By the 15th Century, things were turning ugly. Jews were blamed for
plagues, wars, and pretty much everything from the cat barking on the
rug on up. This is the period where the Blood Libel gets started. By
the time Martin Luther (who pretty much hated everyone.. peasants,
Jews, the Church hierarchy, townspeople, etc.) posted his message on
alt.church.doors.wittenberg, hating Jews was just a part of European
life. A good European also hated Moors and Saracens (although he'd be
hard-pressed to pick one from a crowd,) whomever his lord hated, and
more than likely the local Bishop.

But the basic root of antisemistism is "They're different, and that
freaks me out."

On 7 Feb 2007 12:41:47 -0800, "Shapescare" <farentilma...@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

On 5 Feb, 20:45, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:

It's the lack of the theism facet. Such is a very simple concept.

And no cognitive action?

Such isn't required. There is a class of words with an a prefix meaning
without the following property. Some examples:

Apolitical=without politics
Asynchronous=without synchronization
Atheist=without theos/theism
Agnostic=without knowledge
Asymmetrical=without symmetry

Just like an animal?

Humans *are* animals.

I am an atheist myself, and I am very curious as to what makes people
believe. In fact, that curiosity is an integral part of my lack of
ability to believe.

Generally, superstition is induced from infantcy and constantly nutured
at every turn. Terror is a big part of the package.

The way I see it, atheism is a far more cognitive approach to life
than theism.

It can be.

But if you want to share your ontological view with babies and
animals, that's alright.

Such is trivial atheism, but it still holds true. What I want hasn't
the first thing to do with anything. If the facts bother you then
that's your personal problem. {No slam but simple observation}