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"Ted King" |
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06 Jun 2004 12:10:37 PM |
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When is death okay? |
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
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| User: "Solomon Kozanski" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
09 Jun 2004 02:46:47 AM |
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"Samir Ribic" <samir.ribic@alemsistem.com.ba> wrote in message
news:f9e33c87.0406071036.19fabc0e@posting.google.com...
<ellipsis> Well, assume that humans using some technology avoid death.
like seatbelts?
That will be stop of improvements inside human race too.
then you simply log on and download the latest updates from microsoft.
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Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill
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| User: "YOELK" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
06 Jun 2004 11:34:32 PM |
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Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<lodited-E1AABB.10103706062004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
Is there a way to avoid it? Only for a while.
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YOELK
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 08:38:13 PM |
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Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<lodited-E1AABB.10103706062004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
Well, it's pretty much necessary, isn't it? If there were no death, there
would be no evolution, and so therefore no us. The closest examples
of an approximation to immortality are bacteria and cancerous tumors.
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
08 Jun 2004 09:06:53 AM |
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On 7 Jun 2004 18:38:13 -0700, (Eric Pepke) wrote:
Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<lodited-E1AABB.10103706062004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
Well, it's pretty much necessary, isn't it? If there were no death, there
would be no evolution, and so therefore no us. The closest examples
of an approximation to immortality are bacteria and cancerous tumors.
We will alter ourselves deliberately in the future, instead of relying
on evolution...? How does that sound to you? Evolutionary pressures on
humans are pretty vague now anyway. Death's necessity here and now is
hollow when it comes to us.
--
We give meaning to each other
DJ Nozem aa#1465
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
08 Jun 2004 06:33:18 PM |
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DJ Nozem <TheFUrules@berlin.de> wrote in message news:<1jhbc01sf4jcpu68rh7jlc5e57e8s2ui0d@4ax.com>...
We will alter ourselves deliberately in the future, instead of relying
on evolution...? How does that sound to you? Evolutionary pressures on
humans are pretty vague now anyway. Death's necessity here and now is
hollow when it comes to us.
(shrug) Doesn't matter much. Whatever happens, either you're not going
to have new people, or some of the older people are going to go away,
i.e. die.
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
10 Jun 2004 05:50:46 AM |
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On 8 Jun 2004 16:33:18 -0700, (Eric Pepke) wrote:
DJ Nozem <TheFUrules@berlin.de> wrote in message news:<1jhbc01sf4jcpu68rh7jlc5e57e8s2ui0d@4ax.com>...
We will alter ourselves deliberately in the future, instead of relying
on evolution...? How does that sound to you? Evolutionary pressures on
humans are pretty vague now anyway. Death's necessity here and now is
hollow when it comes to us.
(shrug) Doesn't matter much. Whatever happens, either you're not going
to have new people, or some of the older people are going to go away,
i.e. die.
Of course some people are going to die (accidents n stuff) and some
are going to be born. What is important is that this will have little
to do with the process of altering our capabilities, we will do this
while living (there is nothing to suggest that this is impossible). So
there will no longer be a reason why death has some kind of utility.
--
We give meaning to each other
DJ Nozem aa#1465
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
12 Jun 2004 07:38:09 AM |
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DJ Nozem <TheFUrules@berlin.de> wrote in message news:<puegc01mm8drfma7mieugp5o4v4v4d284j@4ax.com>...
Of course some people are going to die (accidents n stuff) and some
are going to be born. What is important is that this will have little
to do with the process of altering our capabilities, we will do this
while living (there is nothing to suggest that this is impossible). So
there will no longer be a reason why death has some kind of utility.
But that wasn't the question. The question was when death was OK.
My point was that death was necessary to produce me, and I like
existing, so therefore it's OK by me.
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| User: "Brenda Nelson" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 05:54:12 PM |
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Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<lodited-E1AABB.10103706062004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
What exactly are you asking about? The action of dying, or the
condition of being dead? They're not the same thing.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
Chief Wrangler and Ramrod Emeritus
(and Professor of Feline Thermometrics)
EAC Equine Transportation Command/Carne Seca Division
in the Prefecture of Baja, Arizona
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| User: "Ted King" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 09:35:49 PM |
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In article <311596a5.0406071454.4d8a627a@posting.google.com>,
(Brenda Nelson) wrote:
Ted King <lodited@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<lodited-E1AABB.10103706062004@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
I know the question is somewhat vague and, well, a little weird maybe.
Feel free to interpret any way you want. Maybe some of you think death
is never okay. If so, I'd like to hear about that, too, but I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay. (Maybe many of you think death is
always okay - I'd like to hear about that, too.)
What exactly are you asking about? The action of dying, or the
condition of being dead? They're not the same thing.
Farther up the thread I acknowledged the question was way too vague, and
apologized for the inconvenience. Sorry.
Ted
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
06 Jun 2004 01:01:02 PM |
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Ted King says
... I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay.
Here's one example of when death is OK: whenever the person to die states,
without pressure from others, that his own death is OK with him.
:-)
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 02:47:11 AM |
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On 06 Jun 2004 18:01:02 GMT, jenny6833a@aol.comClothes (Jenny6833A)
wrote:
Ted King says
... I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay.
Here's one example of when death is OK: whenever the person to die states,
without pressure from others, that his own death is OK with him.
:-)
One of the problems with this is that many people, I would even
ventrure to say that MOST people have stated that they would like to
die at some time in their life. Many of us have experienced temporary
but severe bouts of depression or emotional trauma. Many of us have
experienced a feeling of hopelessness in our lives. At the time, we
didn't feel like we would ever get over it, but there are countless
stories of people who have pulled themselves through and are now
living happy productive lives. I hope that if I ever slip intro one of
these deep bouts of depression again, you are not nearby offering to
help me end my misery. : )
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "Solomon Kozanski" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 04:05:34 AM |
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"LP" <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5768c0ps9kj0fmmkeu03njin06pl355a8c@4ax.com...
On 06 Jun 2004 18:01:02 GMT, jenny6833a@aol.comClothes (Jenny6833A)
wrote:
Ted King says
... I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay.
Here's one example of when death is OK: whenever the person to die
states,
without pressure from others, that his own death is OK with him.
:-)
One of the problems with this is that many people, I would even
ventrure to say that MOST people have stated that they would like to
die at some time in their life.
probably due to the negative effects of capitalism
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| User: "Jenny6833A" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 04:28:43 AM |
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LP says
jenny6833a@aol.comClothes (Jenny6833A)
wrote:
Ted King says
... I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay.
Here's one example of when death is OK: whenever the person to die states,
without pressure from others, that his own death is OK with him.
:-)
One of the problems with this is that many people, I would even
ventrure to say that MOST people have stated that they would like to
die at some time in their life.
But didn't do the deed.
Many of us have experienced temporary
but severe bouts of depression or emotional trauma. Many of us have
experienced a feeling of hopelessness in our lives. At the time, we
didn't feel like we would ever get over it, but there are countless
stories of people who have pulled themselves through and are now
living happy productive lives.
And didn't kill themselves.
I hope that if I ever slip intro one of
these deep bouts of depression again, you are not nearby offering to
help me end my misery. : )
I won't do it for you. You have to do it yourself.
:-)
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: When is death okay? |
07 Jun 2004 06:54:25 AM |
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On 06 Jun 2004 18:01:02 GMT, jenny6833a@aol.comClothes (Jenny6833A)
wrote:
Ted King says
... I'll admit
to being a little more curious about the thoughts of people who have
some idea of when death becomes okay.
Here's one example of when death is OK: whenever the person to die states,
without pressure from others, that his own death is OK with him.
:-)
One of the problems with this is that many people, I would even
ventrure to say that MOST people have stated that they would like to
die at some time in their life. Many of us have experienced temporary
but severe bouts of depression or emotional trauma. Many of us have
experienced a feeling of hopelessness in our lives. At the time, we
didn't feel like we would ever get over it, but there are countless
stories of people who have pulled themselves through and are now
living happy productive lives. I hope that if I ever slip intro one of
these deep bouts of depression again, you are not nearby offering to
help me end my misery. : )
Jenny
Before emailing, remove Clothes
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