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"Uncle Clover" |
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06 Mar 2007 07:05:15 PM |
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When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now? When it
becomes possible to electrocute someone and then bring them back to life hours,
even days later - will one death sentence be enough to satisfy the public's need
for revenge, or will the worst offenders find themselves dying over and over
again for their sins?
These are the things which really stimulate the imagination - mine at least.
They may not even become issues within the lifetime of anyone reading this now,
but they may. We don't know, and they're -sure- to become issues someday,
unless we destroy ourselves first. I have no doubt that if the human race and
our modern society last long enough, some of us here at the very least will have
known people before we die for whom these issues will be reality. So no, I
don't think it's too soon to talk about them. In fact, I think it might be
getting too late - but not yet.
Just curious, what are your thoughts on the trends of modern science as their
eventual manifestations will apply to the world of crime and justice? Will it
make criminals less accountable and the innocent more likely to suffer? Or will
it bring about a kind of Orwellian utopia? The possibilities are endless, but
the years are not - tomorrow is just around the corner. Where will you be when
the world of tomorrow comes knocking?
Just... querious... :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
__________________________
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Every birth carries within
it the seed of its own
demise
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Narrow minds
breed thick skulls.
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Darkness is just light
that's traveling...
in a different direction...
than where you're looking.
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blog: "Family - The Binds That Tie"
http://bindsthattie.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
06 Mar 2007 08:01:47 PM |
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"Uncle Clover" <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:kt3su256mc42mja2f1i4smo61tq91nh7ie@4ax.com...
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not
nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already
posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an
inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence?
It may make sense to sentence someone to 999 years when he murders someone
out of 999 years of life.
Plus, we don't know what happens on the other side. Maybe everyone already
does serve the totality of their sentence...up to and including 999 years.
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 04:02:45 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Uncle Clover" <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:kt3su256mc42mja2f1i4smo61tq91nh7ie@4ax.com...
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by.
We're not
nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological
capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is
already
posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for
an
inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence?
It may make sense to sentence someone to 999 years when he murders
someone
out of 999 years of life.
And you'd know that the expired one had 999 years left....how?
Plus, we don't know what happens on the other side.
Do you enjoy looking stupid?
Maybe everyone already
does serve the totality of their sentence...up to and including 999
years.
Yup, that sounds like a xian.
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| User: "Martin" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 02:28:56 AM |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"Uncle Clover" <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:kt3su256mc42mja2f1i4smo61tq91nh7ie@4ax.com...
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not
nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already
posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an
inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence?
It may make sense to sentence someone to 999 years when he murders someone
out of 999 years of life.
Plus, we don't know what happens on the other side.
The other side of what?
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 10:59:47 AM |
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On Mar 6, 8:05 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now? When it
becomes possible to electrocute someone and then bring them back to life hours,
even days later - will one death sentence be enough to satisfy the public's need
for revenge, or will the worst offenders find themselves dying over and over
again for their sins?
These are the things which really stimulate the imagination - mine at least.
They may not even become issues within the lifetime of anyone reading this now,
but they may. We don't know, and they're -sure- to become issues someday,
unless we destroy ourselves first. I have no doubt that if the human race and
our modern society last long enough, some of us here at the very least will have
known people before we die for whom these issues will be reality. So no, I
don't think it's too soon to talk about them. In fact, I think it might be
getting too late - but not yet.
Just curious, what are your thoughts on the trends of modern science as their
eventual manifestations will apply to the world of crime and justice? Will it
make criminals less accountable and the innocent more likely to suffer? Or will
it bring about a kind of Orwellian utopia? The possibilities are endless, but
the years are not - tomorrow is just around the corner. Where will you be when
the world of tomorrow comes knocking?
Just... querious... :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
In Greg Egan's "Distress" he imagines that murder victims will be able
to be temporarily revived (in his version, the process completely
destroys the organs) long enough to finger their murderer.
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 03:09:58 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> writes:
On Mar 6, 8:05 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now?
....
In Greg Egan's "Distress" he imagines that murder victims will be able
to be temporarily revived (in his version, the process completely
destroys the organs) long enough to finger their murderer.
Larry Niven's known space series had a span of time where organ
transplants would extend your lifespan, and prisoners sentenced
to death were harvested for their organs, leading to death
sentences for too many overdue parking tickets.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
08 Mar 2007 11:36:40 AM |
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On Mar 7, 4:09 pm, Brian Westley <west...@visi.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Mar 6, 8:05 pm, Uncle Clover <UncleClo...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now?
...
In Greg Egan's "Distress" he imagines that murder victims will be able
to be temporarily revived (in his version, the process completely
destroys the organs) long enough to finger their murderer.
Larry Niven's known space series had a span of time where organ
transplants would extend your lifespan, and prisoners sentenced
to death were harvested for their organs, leading to death
sentences for too many overdue parking tickets.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Fortunately we're getting to the point where we can grow organs in a
lab.
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| User: "Mettas Mother" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
06 Mar 2007 09:44:27 PM |
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The World is full of the followings :
Executive Violence Against Justice
Legislative Violence Against Justice
Judicial Violence Against Justice
Currently it is not The Principle of Justice that gets implemented in the Adjudication system but
rather what it thinks Justice is.
Just like the invention of the Nuclear bomb had made America superior, it will only take some
invention of a technology that is more superiot than the nuclear bomb to usher in a new World order.
Now that new weapon maybe in the hands of a state or a group of scientists or just an individual.
All it takes is a leap of evolution and there we will have another Global Leader with new ideas and
unlimited powers! God may come to exist!
"Uncle Clover" <UncleClover@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:kt3su256mc42mja2f1i4smo61tq91nh7ie@4ax.com...
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now? When it
becomes possible to electrocute someone and then bring them back to life hours,
even days later - will one death sentence be enough to satisfy the public's need
for revenge, or will the worst offenders find themselves dying over and over
again for their sins?
These are the things which really stimulate the imagination - mine at least.
They may not even become issues within the lifetime of anyone reading this now,
but they may. We don't know, and they're -sure- to become issues someday,
unless we destroy ourselves first. I have no doubt that if the human race and
our modern society last long enough, some of us here at the very least will have
known people before we die for whom these issues will be reality. So no, I
don't think it's too soon to talk about them. In fact, I think it might be
getting too late - but not yet.
Just curious, what are your thoughts on the trends of modern science as their
eventual manifestations will apply to the world of crime and justice? Will it
make criminals less accountable and the innocent more likely to suffer? Or will
it bring about a kind of Orwellian utopia? The possibilities are endless, but
the years are not - tomorrow is just around the corner. Where will you be when
the world of tomorrow comes knocking?
Just... querious... :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Clover
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every birth carries within
it the seed of its own
demise
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Narrow minds
breed thick skulls.
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Darkness is just light
that's traveling...
in a different direction...
than where you're looking.
__________________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Blog: "Family - The Binds That Tie"
http://bindsthattie.blogspot.com/
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 12:08:09 AM |
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Uncle Clover wrote:
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now? When it
becomes possible to electrocute someone and then bring them back to life hours,
even days later - will one death sentence be enough to satisfy the public's need
for revenge, or will the worst offenders find themselves dying over and over
again for their sins?
If we ever get to the point that thousand year life spans are common, it
will have been with the help of medical science, so I think it's safe to
say that medicine will have advanced enough that we could simply fix the
criminal tendency that made the killer murder in the first place. Once
they've been chemically or surgically straightened out, killers might be
sentenced to a nominal time of community service, say 20 years, then
released back into society. Maybe they'll be forced to serve as
bureaucrats, thereby saving decent people from having to get mixed up in
government.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 12:42:47 PM |
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On Mar 7, 1:08 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Uncle Clover wrote:
The human lifespan is growing ever longer as the years go by. We're not nearly
so far off as one might think from having the technological capability of
extending life indefinitely. In a world where aging inmates is already posing
some issues, what are we going to do when it becomes possible for an inmate to
actually _serve_ a 999 year sentence? And when taking someone's life robs them
of so many more years than just a measley 50 or 60 - but more like 500 or 600 -
will the Death Penalty be seen as so much more severe than it is now? When it
becomes possible to electrocute someone and then bring them back to life hours,
even days later - will one death sentence be enough to satisfy the public's need
for revenge, or will the worst offenders find themselves dying over and over
again for their sins?
If we ever get to the point that thousand year life spans are common, it
will have been with the help of medical science, so I think it's safe to
say that medicine will have advanced enough that we could simply fix the
criminal tendency that made the killer murder in the first place. Once
they've been chemically or surgically straightened out, killers might be
sentenced to a nominal time of community service, say 20 years, then
released back into society. Maybe they'll be forced to serve as
bureaucrats, thereby saving decent people from having to get mixed up in
government.
--
L. Raymond
There's also the very likely possibility of "deadheading" a radical
penalty of removing the part of brain that feels strong emotions like
joy and anger, essentially changing the individual into something not
too far from a robot.
Hatter
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: When true crime meets science fiction: "life sentences" |
07 Mar 2007 12:57:26 PM |
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Hatter wrote:
On Mar 7, 1:08 am, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
If we ever get to the point that thousand year life spans are common, it
will have been with the help of medical science, so I think it's safe to
say that medicine will have advanced enough that we could simply fix the
criminal tendency that made the killer murder in the first place. Once
they've been chemically or surgically straightened out, killers might be
sentenced to a nominal time of community service, say 20 years, then
released back into society. Maybe they'll be forced to serve as
bureaucrats, thereby saving decent people from having to get mixed up in
government.
There's also the very likely possibility of "deadheading" a radical
penalty of removing the part of brain that feels strong emotions like
joy and anger, essentially changing the individual into something not
too far from a robot.
We can already perform lobotomies, so that wouldn't be new.
--
L. Raymond
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