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"GoDrex" |
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31 May 2006 10:58:37 AM |
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'Where was God?' |
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
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God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world. So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing to
stand up to Hitler. He was with the people who harbored Jews during their
persecution. He was not with the masses of people who realized, too late,
that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman. He is always with
anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil, even, and
especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the middle of
unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they could have
left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And that's where God
was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there." And just for the sake of pointing
out the obvious, who do you think comforted those people while they awaited
their fates? What do you think they were doing but talking to God the whole
time? Especially if you were Jewish. God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there. And if God had been with enough people willing to call
B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust in the first place.
People failed God, not vice versa.
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any comments?
--
....with a big ol' lie and a flag and a pie and a mom and a bible most folks
are just liable to buy any line, any place any time...
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 07:00:42 PM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:-rycnS1pTdSzIODZUSdV9g@ptd.net:
I sent this article
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
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"God depends on people to be made manifest in the world."
Righty-O. God depends on man, not the other way around. Before man,
there was no God.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Satan hasn't a single salaried helper;
the Opposition employ a million.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 05:08:23 PM |
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GoDrex wrote:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
------
God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world. So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing
to stand up to Hitler. He was with the people who harbored Jews during
their persecution. He was not with the masses of people who realized, too
late, that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman. He is
always with anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil,
even, and especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the
middle of unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they
could have left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And
that's where God was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is
needed most; if you didn't bring Him there, He isn't there." And just for
the sake of pointing out the obvious, who do you think comforted those
people while they awaited their fates? What do you think they were doing
but talking to God the whole time? Especially if you were Jewish. God was
with the victims, not the Nazis who put them there. And if God had been
with enough people willing to call B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have
been a Holocaust in the first place. People failed God, not vice versa.
------
any comments?
Utter *****.
God is exactly like nothing.
Its ALL in our hands, no all powerful, all good,
merciful, just, god who loves us is there to help
in times of need, not even a little bit.
In Joshua 10, god drops large stones on the fleeing
enemies of Israel, killing many.
When did god cease to intervene in affairs of man?
A stone from the heavens now and then killing
the obviously evil men, Stalin, Hitler would be on
obvious sign from god he exists and will not allow
evil like WWII with its 50 million deaths.
But Joshua was a lie, a fable, and no god exists
or cares.
No god, no mercy, no love, no signs, no help.
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"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 11:46:51 AM |
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GoDrex wrote:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
------
God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world. So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing to
stand up to Hitler. He was with the people who harbored Jews during their
persecution. He was not with the masses of people who realized, too late,
that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman. He is always with
anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil, even, and
especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the middle of
unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they could have
left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And that's where God
was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there." And just for the sake of pointing
out the obvious, who do you think comforted those people while they awaited
their fates? What do you think they were doing but talking to God the whole
time? Especially if you were Jewish. God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there. And if God had been with enough people willing to call
B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust in the first place.
People failed God, not vice versa.
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any comments?
In other words, God gets all the credit and none of the blame, as
usual.
Nice work if you can get it.
-jc
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...with a big ol' lie and a flag and a pie and a mom and a bible most folks
are just liable to buy any line, any place any time...
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 11:17:25 AM |
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GoDrex wrote:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
------
God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world. So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing to
stand up to Hitler. He was with the people who harbored Jews during their
persecution. He was not with the masses of people who realized, too late,
that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman. He is always with
anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil, even, and
especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the middle of
unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they could have
left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And that's where God
was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there." And just for the sake of pointing
out the obvious, who do you think comforted those people while they awaited
their fates? What do you think they were doing but talking to God the whole
time? Especially if you were Jewish. God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there. And if God had been with enough people willing to call
B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust in the first place.
People failed God, not vice versa.
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any comments?
People failed a verb?
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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31 May 2006 12:34:56 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, GoDrex poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
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God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world.
If "god" is a verb then this gal needs a lesson in basic grammar.
And this verb managed to produce an entire universe in the absence of
people, but is now powerless without them.
....
There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there."
....
God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there.
The Nazis brought their own deity with them.
http://www.redrat.net/thoughts/iraq/gott_mit_uns.jpg
Regards,
Josef
The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind.
-- Aline et Valcour
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 03:11:31 AM |
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In article <-rycnS1pTdSzIODZUSdV9g@ptd.net>, says...
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
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God is a verb.
Then it must mean the act of continually lying and shifting definitions.
God depends on people to be made manifest in the world.
And what does that mean when people do bad things. Is that God's evil
being made manifest? This person wants to ad hoc redefine god as the
action of other people. But, under tighter analysis, what she appears to
really want is to shirk all responsibility for negative behavior and
blame humans for the inability of her fictional god to prevent bad things
(or to do anything else, for that matter).
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
06 Jun 2006 10:31:43 PM |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:37 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
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God is a verb
She's a fucking idiot.
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 04:30:20 PM |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:37 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
------
God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world. So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing to
stand up to Hitler. He was with the people who harbored Jews during their
persecution. He was not with the masses of people who realized, too late,
that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman. He is always with
anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil, even, and
especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the middle of
unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they could have
left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And that's where God
was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there." And just for the sake of pointing
out the obvious, who do you think comforted those people while they awaited
their fates? What do you think they were doing but talking to God the whole
time? Especially if you were Jewish. God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there. And if God had been with enough people willing to call
B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust in the first place.
People failed God, not vice versa.
------
any comments?
Yes: how is this distinguishable from God not existing?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 10:26:01 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:5m2s72h8ue65iuijf68rjb4rahft7j24ii@4ax.com...
On Wed, 31 May 2006 11:58:37 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I sent this article http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article621205.ece
to a friend - I said that I found the Pope asking where was God, to be
laughable and I wondered how anyone could take that seriously.
here's her reply:
------
God is a verb. God depends on people to be made manifest in the world.
Huh? And *why* on earth should *that* be the case? He's 'God', isn't he?
Can't this imaginary creature speak for himself? Ooops. I forgot. He's an
imaginary creature. They can't 'talk,' now -- can they?
So
where was God at the time? He was as close as the nearest person willing
to
stand up to Hitler.
What? 'God' was utterlessly helpless? What about those brave individuals who
*did* attempt to put an end to Hitler and the war? Like Colonel von
Stauffenberg at the 'Wolfschantze' in East Prussia on 20 July, 1944. Where
was 'God' helping *his* brave and righteous (in the best sense of the word)
***** when he had the courage to plant a bomb next to Hitler during a military
strategy session? Stauffenberg's bomb failed to kill Hitler and was
subsequently SHOT for his impertinence! Oh, and Hitler? He attributed his
'miraculous' escape from certain death to 'divine providence'! How's *that*
for God's supernatural 'help'.
He was with the people who harbored Jews during their
persecution.
Was that before they were 'found out' for harboring Jews, as well as
*during* the time they were being tortured for doing so, *and* just before
they were either hung or shot for doing so, too?
He was not with the masses of people who realized, too late,
that they had chosen wrong in their support of a madman.
Oh yeah, now go blame the people for choosing a 'madman' and neglect the
*real* instigator here -- Satan! Isn't that who the religionists maintain is
behind the rise to power of maggot-shits like Hitler? And *who*, pray tell,
'created' Mr. Evil Beyond Belief? (According to these mortified
'believers'?)
He is always with
anyone willing to retain their humanity in the face of evil, even, and
especially, at their own expense or comfort. Because even in the middle of
unspeakable evil, there were those who stayed behind when they could have
left the camps rather than leave their friends to die. And that's where
God
was. There is a saying, "Don't look for God where He is needed most; if
you
didn't bring Him there, He isn't there."
And to think -- people *actually* believe this crap.
And just for the sake of pointing
out the obvious, who do you think comforted those people while they
awaited
their fates?
I haven't the foggiest idea, 'who'. Could it have been that person standing
to the right or to the left, who was going to die shortly, as well?
What do you think they were doing but talking to God the whole
time?
No. They *thought* they were talking to 'God'. But under the circumstances,
you could hardly blame them for clinging to *something*, *anything* right
then and there, could you?
Especially if you were Jewish. God was with the victims, not the Nazis
who put them there.
And this 'God' was utterly incapable of putting a stop to it all. Is that
what this woman believes? What happened to all that 'omnipotence' imaginary
'God' supposedly possesses"
And if God had been with enough people willing to call
B.S. on Hitler, there wouldn't have been a Holocaust in the first place.
She obviously meant to say that if enough people of good conscience and
cognizant of the fact that Hitler and his lap dogs were 'evil' beyond
belief, that they would have taken care of 'business', so to speak, and the
Holocaust would never have happened. Well, you can't argue too much with
that one. Only she, essentially, said that *only* if there were enough of
the aforementioned individuals would 'God' do something about Hitler. Hah!
(That idea doesn't even merit a meaningful response.)
People failed God, not vice versa.
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any comments?
Yes: how is this distinguishable from God not existing?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
How can anyone become so religiously brainwashed as to sincerely believe
such clap-trap? What has happened to that poor woman's brain? That was sad.
Greywolf
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: 'Where was God?' |
31 May 2006 11:45:08 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet GoDrex (godrex35@hotmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
any comments?
If "god" is a verb, let's use it in a few sentences.
OK, Sheriff, we're gonna GOD ya now.
But we're gonna GOD ya real slow.
Sounds like checkers. GOD me!
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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