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"sharon" |
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19 Dec 2003 11:48:37 PM |
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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the amphibians was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
20 Dec 2003 09:44:06 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the amphibians
was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as
adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and
dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont
amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to
those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
Assuming Chickens would be defined as "modern birds"...
Chickens came after the egg.
the Eocene Epoch, 10 million years later, modern birds and mammals and
giant birds appeared
http://www.southsloughestuary.org/EFS/geotime3.htm
Geological Time Capsule Part III
by Kenn Oberrecht
Earth's most recent era, the Cenozoic, began 65 million years ago and
continues to the present. It's divided into two periods the Tertiary and
Quaternary comprising seven epochs.
The age of the mammals dawned and the first primates appeared during the
Paleocene Epoch, when the earth's climate ranged from mild to cool. As the
climate warmed during the Eocene Epoch, 10 million years later, modern birds
and mammals and giant birds appeared.
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| User: "Ron Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
20 Dec 2003 10:08:12 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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I don't know why this is still a question.
The rooster came first then rolled over
and went to sleep.
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
20 Dec 2003 10:49:30 PM |
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"Ron Baker" <rbaker4@msnn.com> wrote in message
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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I don't know why this is still a question.
The rooster came first then rolled over
and went to sleep.
"A chicken hawk appeared on the horizon and all the hens ran to their roost.
The hens convinced one of the younger hens to look out the coop door to see
if the chicken hawk was still there. She looked out and saw the rooster
lying on his back with the chicken hawk circling lower and lower above him.
"The hens were in a panic and told the young hen to go to the rooster and
warn him of the danger. The young hen ran as fast as she could, pecked at
the rooster and yelled, 'You have to get up. The chicken hawk will get you
if you don't come to the coop.'
"The rooster opened one eye and spoke sternly to the young hen, 'Shhh!'
pointing with the tip of his wing at the chicken hawk he said, 'That's a
she.'"
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bunnies/halloween/studio51/studio51halloween4.ht
ml
"A farmer was worried that his rooster was too old to do the job so he
decided to get another rooster to help out. The new rooster went up to the
old rooster and said to him, 'You might as well give it up, old man. Once
the hens get a load of me they won't want anything to do with a stringy old
bird like you.'
"The old rooster thought for a moment and replied, 'I guess you're right,
but give me a fighting chance. Race me around the barn and the loser has to
leave. To make it fair, give me a hundred feet head start.'
"The new rooster thought about it and answered, 'OK, old man. Even with a
hundred foot head start I'll still win. So OK, let's get started.'
"The race started and the old rooster turned the first corner with the young
rooster closing in on him. They raced along the short side of the barn and
the old rooster turned the corner with the young rooster literally on his
tail. The old rooster turned on his last energy but he couldn't pull away
from the young rooster. Suddenly there was an explosion and the young
rooster turned into a cloud of feathers.
"The farmer was standing nearby with his smoking shotgun and said, 'Damn. I'
m going to complain to the feed store. That's the third queer rooster they'
ve sold me.'
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
29 Dec 2003 01:31:13 AM |
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The egg came first, because as you know, all higher life forms are
created from an egg. It doesn't matter what egg it is, the higher life
form is born from an egg. And you know that there is a stage when you
have to draw a line on exactly when a evolving life-form can be
defined and agreed upon to be a chicken. Well...no matter what sample
specimen you use, that specimen (which will eventually be agreed upon
to be a chicken) came from an egg.
So the egg obviously came first.
For example ... Egg1 gives EB1 (evolving bird 1) ... does it satisfy
our conditions to be a chicken? No ..... Egg2 gives EB2 .. does it
satisfy our conditions to be defined as a chicken? No .... Egg3 gives
EB3 ... is it now a chicken? Yes! The chicken has arrived. It came
from an egg.
Thus the egg came first.
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:<b258e4144597e72f027b206fefbfdaf6@news.secureusenet.com>...
The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the amphibians was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
29 Dec 2003 11:20:25 AM |
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The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
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Wax
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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29 Dec 2003 07:43:32 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<tnZHb.254802$Ec1.8817587@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
Right... so which came first? The egg did.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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29 Dec 2003 07:54:57 PM |
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Kenny Leong wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<tnZHb.254802$Ec1.8817587@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
Right... so which came first? The egg did.
===>Correct. A mutated cell of another species of bird ancestral to
the chicken. -- L.
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
30 Dec 2003 01:27:27 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<3FF0DAF1.405B0EED@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Kenny Leong wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<tnZHb.254802$Ec1.8817587@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
Right... so which came first? The egg did.
===>Correct. A mutated cell of another species of bird ancestral to
the chicken. -- L.
Right! I totall agree with that.
Kenny L.
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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30 Dec 2003 01:27:49 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<3FF0DAF1.405B0EED@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Kenny Leong wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<tnZHb.254802$Ec1.8817587@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
Right... so which came first? The egg did.
===>Correct. A mutated cell of another species of bird ancestral to
the chicken. -- L.
Right! I totally agree with that.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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29 Dec 2003 11:57:25 AM |
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Weatherwax wrote:
The chicken is merely the eggs means of reproducing itself.
===>Originally it was the means of another species to reproduce itself,
but there was a mutation and the chicken hatched from the egg. -- L.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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29 Dec 2003 02:56:41 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
Weatherwax wrote:
The chicken is merely the egg's means of reproducing itself.
===>Originally it was the means of another species to
reproduce itself, but there was a mutation and the chicken
hatched from the egg. -- L.
You have it backwards. There was a mutation, and a chicken egg
was laid.
Don't you know that the world was made for children? They are
the only ones who know how to enjoy it. The only purpose for
adults is to make more children.
--
Wax
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| User: "Kenny Leong" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
30 Dec 2003 01:33:51 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<dy0Ib.557738$0v4.22695385@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
Weatherwax wrote:
The chicken is merely the egg's means of reproducing itself.
===>Originally it was the means of another species to
reproduce itself, but there was a mutation and the chicken
hatched from the egg. -- L.
You have it backwards. There was a mutation, and a chicken egg
was laid.
Don't you know that the world was made for children? They are
the only ones who know how to enjoy it. The only purpose for
adults is to make more children.
The egg didn't necessarily need to be a chicken shaped egg though if
it was laid by the ancestor of the chicken which didn't quite meet the
specs for a chicken. It's necessary that the bird that hatches from
the egg is a chicken. So even if the egg laid by the ancestor was
chicken shaped, it means that the egg still came first...whether it
was a chicken shaped egg or not.
Kenny L.
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| User: "peter legge" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
20 Dec 2003 05:19:54 PM |
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The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts
and take the Bible literally.
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:b258e4144597e72f027b206fefbfdaf6@news.secureusenet.com...
The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the amphibians
was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as
adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and
dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont
amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to
those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
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| User: "Tom" |
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20 Dec 2003 06:46:50 PM |
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"peter legge" <peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts
and take the Bible literally.
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
Tom: Yeah, and Legge has the volumes of evidence that prove millions of
years are wrong. Now if we only had some way to make him show it :-).
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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20 Dec 2003 07:23:31 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC), "peter legge"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Comments moved to end]
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the amphibians
was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as
adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and
dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont
amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to
those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts
and take the Bible literally.
How could she start believing literally in the Bible if she does
not believe that already?
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "sharon" |
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20 Dec 2003 09:17:56 PM |
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"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC), "peter legge"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Comments moved to end]
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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The evolutionary advance that set the reptiles apart from the
amphibians
was
the development of the amniote or shelled egg which could be laid on
land,
freeing the reptiles from the necessity of returning to the water as
adults
for reproduction. The oldest known fossil egg was found in Texas, and
dates
to the lower Permian period of the earth's history, over 275 million
years
ago. It is not known from which particular group of Labrynthodont
amphibians
the reptiles developed; several different families of ancient
amphibians
seemed to have been developing characteristics at the time similar to
those
of reptiles.
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2421/evolve.htm
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
Thanks for all the neat comments.
It's going to make the *cutest* page I think I've done yet.
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Which Came First: The Chicken or The Egg?
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/articles/chicken_or_egg.html
Finally a conclusive answer to the age-old riddle.
Read what Scientists say about this burning question.
----
The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts
and take the Bible literally.
How could she start believing literally in the Bible if she does
not believe that already?
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "John Ings" |
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20 Dec 2003 05:58:39 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC), "peter legge"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts and take the Bible literally.
The earth really is round and flat with a solid dome of sky over it?
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
Yeah, all they have is whole libraries full of evidence, while you
have faith...
## Faith, once wedded fast to falsehood, hugs it to the last
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| User: "bob young" |
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28 Dec 2003 06:16:11 AM |
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John Ings wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC), "peter legge"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts and take the Bible literally.
The earth really is round and flat with a solid dome of sky over it?
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
Yeah, all they have is whole libraries full of evidence, while you
have faith...
## Faith, once wedded fast to falsehood, hugs it to the last
"Faith is to the human what sand is to the ostrich"
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Dec 2003 12:58:45 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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John Ings wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC), "peter legge"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
The only thing that is correct in your posting here is the comment in
brackets at the end of your message.....
(Chickens didn't exist 275 million years ago.)
I would advise you to ignore the writings of the so called evolutionary
experts and take the Bible literally.
The earth really is round and flat with a solid dome of sky over it?
The 'Millions of years' school are totally wrong.........
Yeah, all they have is whole libraries full of evidence, while you
have faith...
## Faith, once wedded fast to falsehood, hugs it to the last
"Faith is to the human what sand is to the ostrich"
It should be. The ostrich does not bury it's head in the sand, but it does
***** on it.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
28 Dec 2003 06:22:43 PM |
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The egg, of course.
Which was a mutation of some ancestral bird. -- L.
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| User: "Ferrous Patella" |
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| Title: Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
30 Dec 2003 01:31:48 PM |
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news:3FEF73D3.80F0FAD5@Nothing_But_The.Truth by Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth>:
The egg, of course.
Which was a mutation of some ancestral bird. -- L.
<old joke mode>
The rooster came first.
</ojm>
--
Ferrous Patella
"Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war."
--John Adams, letter to Abigail, 1797
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