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"Bill M" |
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05 Dec 2007 08:30:08 AM |
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WHICH GOD IS REAL |
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs. Which
one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and God
is the correct and real one???
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
08 Dec 2007 03:52:22 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God
is the correct and real one???
WILL THE REAL GOD PLEASE DO ANYTHING AT ALL THAT WILL REMOVE ALL DOUBT?
Thanks for that, God.
Thanks for nothing, that's real proof.
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09 Dec 2007 11:44:28 PM |
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On Dec 8, 3:52 pm, "Ghamph" <gha...@localnet.com> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God
is the correct and real one???
WILL THE REAL GOD PLEASE DO ANYTHING AT ALL THAT WILL REMOVE ALL DOUBT?
Thanks for that, God.
Thanks for nothing, that's real proof.- Hide quoted text -
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Matthew 13:14- In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You
will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing
but never perceiving.
By this post it seems obvious that you know the concept of faith but
don't want to accept it. If God's word does not effect your life, it
is the result of the devil. I believe there are two religions in the
world. One religion is based on man's attempt to gain God's favor.
The other religion is based on God's grace for his children. Since
perfection is the only way to gain God's favor, I have chosen the
alternate route. Essentially, man cannot save himself. God does not
call him to save himself because he sent his perfect son as an
offering for anyone who accepts this perfect gift.
There's no question that there is a supernatural in control, for there
is no prove of evolution. God has made humans different than all
other creatures of earth. We are the only creatures that can
destinguish between right and wrong. Also, God is prevalent in
everyday affairs- what good is an unpowerful god? But only a genuine
faith in the Lord will allow your prayers to be answered. I believe
that your heart is hardened toward God and your numb to all his
works.
The possibilty of other gods is eliminated since no human can ever
live up to the standards. The possibilty of no god is so unrealistic
and has no conclusive proof. From all this, you can deduce to only
one possibility- Jesus Christ the Lord is the God of this universe.
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
06 Dec 2007 01:54:00 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
None are real. They are all fakes.
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
Try praying for something. If your prayer is answered, you have a real God.
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God
is the correct and real one???
If you get what you pray for, consider that evidence.
Accept no substitutes, under any condition.
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| User: "rjbjr" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
06 Dec 2007 06:44:40 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
06 Dec 2007 11:40:09 AM |
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"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote
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Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God.
You did? Where?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
06 Dec 2007 11:42:06 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:40:09 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote
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Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God.
You did? Where?
And why does he expect Bill to do his work for him?
It's a standard Christian cop out, combined with the falsehood you
responsed to.
Which makes it doubly dishonest.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
06 Dec 2007 05:07:24 AM |
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"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4KdnSco67okc8ranZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to
do the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have never seen it. wherer and what is it? Looks like just another idle
claim just like your religion.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from
the primordial slime.
This only implies your lack of logical thought!
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Nonsensical thoughts are not scary to me.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
07 Dec 2007 05:25:02 AM |
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Bill M wrote:
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4KdnSco67okc8ranZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to
do the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
Well, give us a hand,
just point us in the right direction
in order for us to do this experimentation you talk of.....
thanks
Bob
I have never seen it. wherer and what is it? Looks like just another idle
claim just like your religion.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from
the primordial slime.
This only implies your lack of logical thought!
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Nonsensical thoughts are not scary to me.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
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| User: "rjbjr" |
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07 Dec 2007 06:04:11 AM |
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Bill,
I'm sorry. I meant to post this to the "groups". I hit the wrong icon.
RJBJR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.christian.religion,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.gods
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4KdnSco67okc8ranZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting
for yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing
to do the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and
over.
I have never seen it. wherer and what is it? Looks like just another idle
claim just like your religion.
OK, Bill.
You don't really remember seeing it, or are you lieing to deceive others
reading your post?
I'm not sure which is the truth. Either way, God can fix either problem.
He tells us how in his instruction (science) book. It's called the Bible.
Let's start with some basic data, so people can follow along as you
experiment. You will need to keep a log so you won't forget as you proceed
with the tests. It's just like you did in high school science class if
anyone is going to believe this.
The objective here is to improve your memory.
We will show that whoever wrote the Bible has knowledge beyond
currently-known science. Anyone can do this, but since you raised the
challenge, you would be the logical person to start with. Once finished,
your "supporters" can repeat the experiment to see if they get the same
results.
STEP 1. We start with some basic "before" data. A common experiment is to
show you a random sequence of digits (numbers). Then, you try to repeat the
sequence in order. Please perform this experiment. Do it as many times as
you want to. Please post your results. Of course, we will need you to have
an independent tester confirm the results.
Or, if you want to improve your IQ, just let us know what your current IQ
is. Again, please have an independent tester confirm you are telling the
truth.
Once you have posted this initial data, I'll give you instructions from the
Bible on what to do next to improve your initial score(s).
After getting those instructions, you will follow what the Bible says and
then repeat the experiment(s) above.
The results will show marked, statistically significant, results. No, you
don't have to believe in the Bible or God for this to work. All you have to
do is perform the tests honestly and scientifically.
Will be waiting to hear from you.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
ps. All you other scoffers out there, follow along.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved"
from the primordial slime.
This only implies your lack of logical thought!
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Nonsensical thoughts are not scary to me.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
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| User: "Bill M" |
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07 Dec 2007 11:16:41 AM |
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"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Bill,
I'm sorry. I meant to post this to the "groups". I hit the wrong icon.
RJBJR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.christian.religion,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.gods
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4KdnSco67okc8ranZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and
a real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting
for yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't
willing to do the work necessary. You simply repost the same question
over and over.
I have never seen it. wherer and what is it? Looks like just another idle
claim just like your religion.
OK, Bill.
You don't really remember seeing it, or are you lieing to deceive others
reading your post?
I'm not sure which is the truth. Either way, God can fix either problem.
He tells us how in his instruction (science) book. It's called the Bible.
Let's start with some basic data, so people can follow along as you
experiment. You will need to keep a log so you won't forget as you
proceed
with the tests. It's just like you did in high school science class if
anyone is going to believe this.
The objective here is to improve your memory.
We will show that whoever wrote the Bible has knowledge beyond
currently-known science. Anyone can do this, but since you raised the
challenge, you would be the logical person to start with. Once finished,
your "supporters" can repeat the experiment to see if they get the same
results.
STEP 1. We start with some basic "before" data. A common experiment is
to
show you a random sequence of digits (numbers). Then, you try to repeat
the
sequence in order. Please perform this experiment. Do it as many times
as
you want to. Please post your results. Of course, we will need you to
have
an independent tester confirm the results.
Or, if you want to improve your IQ, just let us know what your current IQ
is. Again, please have an independent tester confirm you are telling the
truth.
Once you have posted this initial data, I'll give you instructions from
the
Bible on what to do next to improve your initial score(s).
After getting those instructions, you will follow what the Bible says and
then repeat the experiment(s) above.
The results will show marked, statistically significant, results. No, you
don't have to believe in the Bible or God for this to work. All you have
to
do is perform the tests honestly and scientifically.
Will be waiting to hear from you.
Sincerely,
RJBJR
Hear is my post. Can't you read?
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and
a real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Why should I waste my time playing your dodging and weaving game that also
makes no sense? It appears you can't answer the questions!
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| User: "Larry" |
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26 Jan 2008 12:38:13 AM |
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On Dec 6 2007, 6:44 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
snipage
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
This is not at all implied. There are around 100 billion stars in the
galaxy and around
100 billion galaxies in the universe, there certainly may be more
intelligent creatures
in the universe.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Bill wanted to know what is correct, not what is scary or gives him
a warm fuzzy feeling. This is like saying you might live forever or
you might have
to die some day, believe in what is less frighting.
Larry
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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07 Dec 2007 03:52:49 PM |
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On Dec 6, 5:44 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God.
Well, you haven't given them to *me*, so why don't you repost them
here? And please bear in mind that I know what the words "objective"
and "verifyable" mean.
By the way, I'm an ex-born-again christian, so don't try to give me
any crap about reading the bible, okay? I'd wager I've read it
through more times than you have.
Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That the universe is a natural phenomenon.
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Dunno about that. Dolphins are so smart it's fucking *scary*.
Unfortunately, they don't have opposable thumbs or live on land, so
it's hard to draw parallels between dolphin culture and human culture,
but there you are.
And *please* stop conflating abiogenesis with evolution, 'kay?
Evolution didn't happen until after life came about. It doesn't
address *how* it came about.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Why do you find that scary? I think it's *lovely*. I feel very
connected to this planet, my home, and it's a comfort to know that I'm
related to all the other life-forms on it. Whereas *you* and those of
your ilk are constantly pining for heaven and repudiating the earth.
Not only do I not find your orientation attractive, I find it obscene
and criminal.
If *you* are right, then the entire universe and all other life-forms
in it are nothing but stage dressing, there to facilitate the cosmic
morality play between god and man. That would be not only scary, but
a profligate, immoral waste.
So, I'm waiting. I'm just a-quiver at the notion that you've got
"objective" and "verifyable" evidence that a god - any god - actually
exists. Have at it, kiddo.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Dec 2007 04:40:34 PM |
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In article <d3b336e7-4588-49b5-ac6c-72663ed33667@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
On Dec 6, 5:44 am, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God.
Well, you haven't given them to *me*, so why don't you repost them
here? And please bear in mind that I know what the words "objective"
and "verifyable" mean.
By the way, I'm an ex-born-again christian, so don't try to give me
any crap about reading the bible, okay? I'd wager I've read it
through more times than you have.
Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That the universe is a natural phenomenon.
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Dunno about that. Dolphins are so smart it's fucking *scary*.
Unfortunately, they don't have opposable thumbs or live on land, so
it's hard to draw parallels between dolphin culture and human culture,
but there you are.
Somewhere in her book "Microcosmos", noted biologist Lynn
Marguilis speculates that if things had been just a bit
different, raccoons might have interstellar travel by now.
For those of us who actually had raccoons, no other thought
could possibly be more terrifying.
-- cary
And *please* stop conflating abiogenesis with evolution, 'kay?
Evolution didn't happen until after life came about. It doesn't
address *how* it came about.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
Why do you find that scary? I think it's *lovely*. I feel very
connected to this planet, my home, and it's a comfort to know that I'm
related to all the other life-forms on it. Whereas *you* and those of
your ilk are constantly pining for heaven and repudiating the earth.
Not only do I not find your orientation attractive, I find it obscene
and criminal.
If *you* are right, then the entire universe and all other life-forms
in it are nothing but stage dressing, there to facilitate the cosmic
morality play between god and man. That would be not only scary, but
a profligate, immoral waste.
So, I'm waiting. I'm just a-quiver at the notion that you've got
"objective" and "verifyable" evidence that a god - any god - actually
exists. Have at it, kiddo.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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06 Dec 2007 07:25:21 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
No you haven't. You need to learn what "objective" means.
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
It's not his job, moron.
At most all what you want him to do is delude himself the way you
deluded yourself.
Where's that real-world evidence?
Sincerely,
RJBJR
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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06 Dec 2007 07:20:39 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
There's nothing to assume, because there is no reason whatsoever to
give your pretend friend a thought.
What does that imply?
Nothing at all.
But your "proof" needs to be completely independent of what anybody
believes.
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Look up "*****" and stop being so stupid.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought?
Why, moron? It's your stupid straw man. This is the real world outside
your religion.
If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
This imaginary "hope" is merely part of your religious brainwashing.
..
Sincerely,
Hardly.
Now where's that proof you were talking about instead of this
meaningless emotional idiocy?
RJBJR
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06 Dec 2007 12:22:50 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net>
wrote:
Make the assumption that there is no God.
There's nothing to assume, because there is no reason whatsoever to
give your pretend friend a thought.
What does that imply?
Nothing at all.
But your "proof" needs to be completely independent of what anybody
believes.
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Look up "*****" and stop being so stupid.
Your answer show, he got your stumped. He is right!! If you are the
"most intelligent assemblage of matter in the universe", we might as well
give up all hope.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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06 Dec 2007 07:40:39 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which one is real and which are fakes???
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and
God is the correct and real one???
Dear Bill,
I've given you a number of objective, verifyable ways of experimenting for
yourself so you can find the real God. Evidently, you aren't willing to do
the work necessary. You simply repost the same question over and over.
I have another arguement you might consider.
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
No, I do not agree that is a scary thought. It is reality, and if you are so
frightened of reality, perhaps you would do well to avoid this newsgroup for
alt.bunniesandlight just down the hall.
Why abandon all hope when we still have our lives and the people we love in
them? Is it that you have no one to love, other than your imaginary superfriend?
WOA (Wicked Old Atheist) #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man,
what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Steve O" |
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06 Dec 2007 08:37:53 AM |
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"Don Martin" <drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
No, I do not agree that is a scary thought. It is reality, and if you are
so
frightened of reality, perhaps you would do well to avoid this newsgroup
for
alt.bunniesandlight just down the hall.
Why abandon all hope when we still have our lives and the people we love
in
them? Is it that you have no one to love, other than your imaginary
superfriend?
I think you've got it in a nutshell.
Religion is for the desperate.
How many times do we hear stories about people who hit rock bottom and then
suddenly "find God"?
What else would you do if there was nowhere else to go?
Then, when their lives begin to improve they immediately attribute it to
their superbuddy, without thinking or realizing for one moment that the
only place to go from rock bottom is up.
It's a neat little mindtrick performed by the destitute, lonely and
vulnerable.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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07 Dec 2007 03:59:16 PM |
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On Dec 6, 7:37 am, "Steve O" <hoo...@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7lufl3l7o4pcpa1ubphb03eofhta37g7na@4ax.com...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
No, I do not agree that is a scary thought. It is reality, and if you are
so
frightened of reality, perhaps you would do well to avoid this newsgroup
for
alt.bunniesandlight just down the hall.
Why abandon all hope when we still have our lives and the people we love
in
them? Is it that you have no one to love, other than your imaginary
superfriend?
I think you've got it in a nutshell.
Religion is for the desperate.
How many times do we hear stories about people who hit rock bottom and then
suddenly "find God"?
What else would you do if there was nowhere else to go?
Then, when their lives begin to improve they immediately attribute it to
their superbuddy, without thinking or realizing for one moment that the
only place to go from rock bottom is up.
It's a neat little mindtrick performed by the destitute, lonely and
vulnerable.
Having once experienced being born again, Steve, let me observe that
you're exactly right: it's a mental state that you work yourself
into, with a little outside help from all the sheeple around you who
are telling you how worthless you are without jebus.
They don't seem to realize is that it's a perfectly well-understood,
oft-studied psychological state, and it doesn't just happen to people
who convert to christianity. It happens to people who convert to
mormonism, islam, scientology, buddhism, the whole gamut of
religions. The conversion high you get doesn't come from a
supernatural being, but from your psychological state.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Profssor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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07 Dec 2007 04:49:49 PM |
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In article <3e410a49-6dba-4506-b5b7-3b387f26eb9d@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> writes:
On Dec 6, 7:37 am, "Steve O" <hoo...@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7lufl3l7o4pcpa1ubphb03eofhta37g7na@4ax.com...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
No, I do not agree that is a scary thought. It is reality, and if you are
so
frightened of reality, perhaps you would do well to avoid this newsgroup
for
alt.bunniesandlight just down the hall.
Why abandon all hope when we still have our lives and the people we love
in
them? Is it that you have no one to love, other than your imaginary
superfriend?
I think you've got it in a nutshell.
Religion is for the desperate.
How many times do we hear stories about people who hit rock bottom and then
suddenly "find God"?
What else would you do if there was nowhere else to go?
Then, when their lives begin to improve they immediately attribute it to
their superbuddy, without thinking or realizing for one moment that the
only place to go from rock bottom is up.
It's a neat little mindtrick performed by the destitute, lonely and
vulnerable.
Having once experienced being born again, Steve, let me observe that
you're exactly right: it's a mental state that you work yourself
into, with a little outside help from all the sheeple around you who
are telling you how worthless you are without jebus.
They don't seem to realize is that it's a perfectly well-understood,
oft-studied psychological state, and it doesn't just happen to people
who convert to christianity. It happens to people who convert to
mormonism, islam, scientology, buddhism, the whole gamut of
religions. The conversion high you get doesn't come from a
supernatural being, but from your psychological state.
Certainly reaching a state of simply giving up and letting go can
leave you suggestible and open the way for major, dislocative changes
in your life. This state can be the result of feeling that you
are no longer in control, sometimes due to something from within,
like alcoholism, sometimes due to events which you have no control,
like losing your family in an accident. Or the state can
be intentionally induced, as when a mind-control cult systematically
strips you of all your previous cognitive and emotional moorings.
And sometimes it's entered into voluntarily, such as in old-style
basic training boot camp, or in having your mind blown by Zen
koans.
However you get there, you're now poised to "snap" over into
a new cognitive framework -- whether for better for for worse.
-- cary
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL |
07 Dec 2007 04:56:15 PM |
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:59:16 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Dec 6, 7:37 am, "Steve O" <hoo...@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Don Martin" <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:7lufl3l7o4pcpa1ubphb03eofhta37g7na@4ax.com...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:44:40 -0500, "rjbjr" <rjburn...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:z%C5j.19912$rc2.12486@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
Make the assumption that there is no God.
What does that imply?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience, YOU
are
the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever "evolved" from the
primordial slime.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need to
abandon all hope.
No, I do not agree that is a scary thought. It is reality, and if you are
so
frightened of reality, perhaps you would do well to avoid this newsgroup
for
alt.bunniesandlight just down the hall.
Why abandon all hope when we still have our lives and the people we love
in
them? Is it that you have no one to love, other than your imaginary
superfriend?
I think you've got it in a nutshell.
Religion is for the desperate.
How many times do we hear stories about people who hit rock bottom and then
suddenly "find God"?
What else would you do if there was nowhere else to go?
Then, when their lives begin to improve they immediately attribute it to
their superbuddy, without thinking or realizing for one moment that the
only place to go from rock bottom is up.
It's a neat little mindtrick performed by the destitute, lonely and
vulnerable.
Having once experienced being born again, Steve, let me observe that
you're exactly right: it's a mental state that you work yourself
into, with a little outside help from all the sheeple around you who
are telling you how worthless you are without jebus.
They don't seem to realize is that it's a perfectly well-understood,
oft-studied psychological state, and it doesn't just happen to people
who convert to christianity. It happens to people who convert to
mormonism, islam, scientology, buddhism, the whole gamut of
religions. The conversion high you get doesn't come from a
supernatural being, but from your psychological state.
Not just religion but also army boot camp, personal development
seminars etc.
Break them down, convince them they're worthless and then reprogram
them.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Profssor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Geoff" |
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06 Dec 2007 09:01:45 AM |
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rjbjr wrote:
Make the assumption that there is no God.
It's good practice to begin with the null hypothesis.
What does that imply?
Nothing. Did you want to test an alternative hypothesis?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience,
YOU are the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever
"evolved" from the primordial slime.
It implies nothing of the sort. However, the implication that Bill is more
intelligent than you is likely true.
Won't you agree that is a scary thought? If that is correct, we need
to abandon all hope.
Hold firmly to that crutch then, moron.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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06 Dec 2007 07:03:54 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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rjbjr wrote:
Make the assumption that there is no God.
It's good practice to begin with the null hypothesis.
What does that imply?
Nothing. Did you want to test an alternative hypothesis?
That implies that in the only universe you can possibly experience,
YOU are the most intelligent assemblage of matter that has ever
"evolved" from the primordial slime.
It implies nothing of the sort. However, the implication that Bill is more
intelligent than you is likely true.
Thanks for small mercies! Glad you didn't mention what is a more
"intelligent assembly of matter" than man, or we would all be choking with
apoplectic laughter.
--
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| User: "bob young" |
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05 Dec 2007 11:53:11 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs. Which
one is real and which are fakes???
I know the answer to that one.
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
Because he was told so by his parents or buddies
What objective verifiable evidence do they have that their religion and God
is the correct and real one???
None, absolutely NONE
Bob
"Man is kind enough when he's not excited by religion," it begins, "but once
the holy holies have got a grip on him he's capable of almost anything. When a
disciple from the wildcat religious asylum comes marching forth, get under the
bed. It doesn't matter whether he's a Christian, Hindu, Jew or Muslim. If he's
made up his mind that you need reforming, he will do it with anything handy -
an ax, 800 years of witch burning or, if necessary, he'll blow you up."
[Mark Twain]
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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06 Dec 2007 04:38:48 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47578DC4.41467809@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
I know the answer to that one.
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
Because he was told so by his parents or buddies
You forgot to finish your sentence again with i.e. "and they are wrong".
We Christians don't go by what our parents of buddies tell us, like
atheists do, but by what the Jesus Christ of the NT Bible tells us. See
below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command..."
--
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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06 Dec 2007 05:19:20 PM |
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We Christians don't go by what our parents of buddies tell us, like
atheists do, but by what the Jesus Christ of the NT Bible tells us. See
below
if someone 2000 years ago started worshipping and wrote a book about the
tooth fairy, you nuts would be worshipping the tooth fairy right now.
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| User: "Pmb" |
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08 Dec 2007 12:18:10 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:475800ea$0$26000$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47578DC4.41467809@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
I know the answer to that one.
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
The answer depends on the particular person's beliefs and how they came to
their beliefs.
Pete
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| User: "James" |
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16 Jan 2008 01:43:40 PM |
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"Pmb" <someone@somewhere.net>
Re: WHICH GOD IS REAL
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:475800ea$0$26000$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:47578DC4.41467809@netvigator.com...
Bill M wrote:
There are hundreds of different Gods and different religious beliefs.
Which
one is real and which are fakes???
I know the answer to that one.
How does any religionist know he is following the correct religion and a
real God?
The answer depends on the particular person's beliefs and how they came to
their beliefs.
Pete
Pete,
True, at least in the beginning. From what I can see, a person usually
starts out with their birth religion which forms the basis of their
religious beliefs. But when they become of age and are exposed to
other religions, they may change that.
From my perspective, what makes a religion credible, is if it is a
religion of truth, and everyone who practices it can become a better
person as well as do good to others around them.
For example, the Muslim terrorists brand of religion in the news
frequently, certainly does not make that person better by being an
assassin, or does good to those he kills.
Another example is many of the churches of Christendom. They may be a
better person for a while, but when some political leader tells them
to kill people from an 'enemy' nation, then their previous history
shows that they do that. Yet their professed leader Jesus clearly said
at Mt 5:44,
"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute
you," (NASB)
Or when some educator tells them to believe in evolution, and not
creation, then many choose to ignore Jesus' words at Mt 19:4, and
instead listen to the words of men.
Thus if there really is a God out there, and He really did give us a
religion to go by, then it should be evidence in those who practice
it. And it is.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
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| User: "Richard Anacker" |
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16 Jan 2008 02:02:51 PM |
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James , 01.16.2008:
[...]rom what I can see, a person usually
starts out with their birth religion which forms the basis of their
religious beliefs.
What the heck is a "birth religion"? People start as atheists and
atheism is no religion. Then they are more or less indoctrinated by
more or less devoted parents and peer groups. After that they might
have a religion.
But when they become of age and are exposed to
other religions,
as the ones they were indoctrinated before.
they may change that.
From my perspective, what makes a religion credible, is if it is a
religion of truth, and everyone who practices it can become a better
person as well as do good to others around them.
This sounds good to me.
For example, the Muslim terrorists brand of religion in the news
frequently, certainly does not make that person better by being an
assassin, or does good to those he kills.
Or as another example, the people standing in front of my door,
ringing me out of my bed and want to give me unsolicited information
of theyr believes. In other words, Spammers.
Or when some educator tells them to believe in evolution, and not
creation, then many choose to ignore Jesus' words at Mt 19:4, and
instead listen to the words of men.
What the heck is bad on this example? How about they may choose to
ignore Odin or Isis or better, so called religious leaders
,---- [Adolf Hitler]
| We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have
| therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and
| that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped
| it out. - Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933
'----
or religious advisors and instead listen to the words of men, such as
,---- [Albert Einstein]
| "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
| education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man
| would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
| punishment and hope of reward after death."
'----
.. Wouldn't this be better?
Thus if there really is a God out there, and He really did give us a
religion to go by, then it should be evidence in those who practice
it. And it is.
No, it isn't.
[...]
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
Read here, write here.
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Ah, another spammer, as expected.
greets
richie
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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16 Jan 2008 05:10:03 PM |
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James wrote:
<snip>
Thus if there really is a God out there, and He really did give us a
religion to go by, then it should be evidence in those who practice
it. And it is.
Which is exactly what all the others say, even the ones you don't approve
of.
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