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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill" |
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02 Mar 2006 03:10:25 PM |
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WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
There are thousands of different and contradictory religious and God
beliefs. How does anyone know his is the correct one? 'IF' there is a REAL
God, why does he not appear or communicate to all mankind and show he is the
real God and that all the others are fakes? Man can accurately communicate
with the whole world via TV, the Internet, Telephone, Newsprint, and Radio.
Why can't any REAL god communicate with all of mankind in an equal or even
more effective manner??? Why does the real God not inform all of mankind in
a clear unquestionable manner that he is the real God and what are his
wishes and demands? Why does any real God refuse to clear up all this
confusion? Why can't a real god smite all of the fakes and end the
confusion?
Has ANY God spoken to you other than in your dreams? Is there ANY tangible,
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for the existence of ANY Gods?
There are people in
ALL religions that have claimed to see or communicate with "their" god. It
is evident that these people fit into one of two categories. There are those
that are seriously psychotic and hallucinate and there are those that lie to
impress their followers. There are thousands of God beliefs. Which, if any,
is the real God and which are fakes? Have any dead relatives or friends
actually communicated with SANE people except in their dreams? Why does any
real god avoid or prohibit this communication from dead loved ones and
friends? If there was a real god you would think he would actually encourage
this kind of authentification and communication of his
wishes and commands..
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Earth Quakes, Cancers and thousands of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation that punish people of all faiths and morality?
There are over 10,000 known diseases that torture and kill man. Why would
this omnificent all loving, all powerful god create all these catastrophes
to indiscriminately torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes
affect people of ALL religious beliefs and morality including TOTALLY
INNOCENT CHILDREN! Is this evidence of a loving powerful God creator of the
Universe?
There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children
and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives.
There is a Fox sized animal on the Australian Island of Tasmania that is
being wiped out by an infectious cancer that grows on the animal's snout
until it no longer can eat and starves to death.
Why would a god creator punish an innocent animal is such a cruel fashion?
There are thousands of diseases and birth defects that affect millions of
people (and totally innocent animals and children) of all religious
persuasions. Is this the unerring work of an all powerful, all caring and
loving God??? Why would this god create all this cruelty?
Logic and common sense refutes the existence of any omnipotent Gods
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him a God?
What distinguishes theology from mythology and astrology? All three are
founded on myth,
folklore and legend. NONE are based on scientific knowledge and objective,
verifiable, reproducible evidence..
The religious faiths are not founded on faith in God but faith in MEN.
Religious texts? They were created centuries before the invention of the
printing press. Written, interpreted, hand copied, modified, altered and
recopied by hundreds of MEN over thousands of years by other MEN. Inspired
by God? So MEN say. Which books are Scripture? The ones chosen by MEN. What
do they mean? What MEN say they mean. Dictated by God? Just the OPINION of
errant MEN. What is God telling you? Whatever MEN (ordinary selfish. self
promoting, errant humans) CLAIM he is telling you. These religious texts are
nothing but folklore, myth, contradictory and impossible stories created by
MEN. There is not one shred of objective verifiable evidence that ANY of
these ancient documents are the word of ANY God. The objective EVIDENCE is
they are pure myths and fables.
Of all the THOUSANDS of God beliefs and claims, how do we know which is the
real God and which are fakes? What MEN tell their flock is the real God???
Since no real God shows up in person from the heavens, or on International
TV, Radio, or the Internet to give us anything to believe in, the only
option available to us is to put our trust in what selfish errant MEN say
and think about Gods. To put one's faith in the stories, superstitions,
myths and subjective thoughts and feelings of ancient MEN is not faith in
God, but faith in errant MEN. Faith in what greedy avaricious MEN, who we
have never met and have NO objective knowledge of their veracity and
honesty. Ultimately, it is faith in MEN not God!
Real objective evidence about the Universe and life on earth has only
developed and become general knowledge in the past 300 years. Before the
modern age, knowledge of life and the world was base on no more than myths,
fables and mans opinions and unsubstantiated conjecture..
There have been thousands of different and contradictory god beliefs over
the centuries.
It appears that ALL Gods are fakes and inventions of selfish errant MEN.
The objective evidence is rather obvious that NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite; that MAN HAS CREATED THOUSANDS OF IMAGINARY GODS!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
02 Mar 2006 05:23:47 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades - that
it's called faith for a reason.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
02 Mar 2006 07:43:39 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades -
that
it's called faith for a reason.
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
03 Mar 2006 01:16:51 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades -
that
it's called faith for a reason.
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your car
will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other hand you
worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car should be
starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
03 Mar 2006 06:35:40 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades -
that
it's called faith for a reason.
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your
car will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other hand
you worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car should be
starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
You are truly an idiot to assume you can read the minds of others.
I do not worry about my car starting because it is relatively new and in
addition I have AAA.
Because I am confident that there is no heaven or hell I have NO worries
about life after death.
When I'm dead I'm DEAD! No eternal pain or suffering is possible!
You must be the worrier about the hereafter, requiring you to waste your
time in church to save yourself
from an eternal hell. Wake up and smell the roses. It's quite pleasent.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
04 Mar 2006 04:31:52 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your
car will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other
hand you worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car
should be starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
You are truly an idiot to assume you can read the minds of others.
The point you are making Bill, is not so much that I am "an idiot" but
that you regard yourself not only NOT an idiot, but in fact vastly superior
to the likes of me. That kind of thinking is unfortunately the ONLY source
of self-worth atheists have. Theirs is a constant battle to find inferior
people, so as to have reason to bolster their self-esteem and feel superior
to someone ....anyone!!
You aren't going anywhere with that Bill! It all amounts to nothing in
the end. Seek Christ NOW and His perfection, and your life will not only
have meaning, but be eternal.
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| User: "Bill" |
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04 Mar 2006 12:44:45 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your
car will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other
hand you worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car
should be starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
You are truly an idiot to assume you can read the minds of others.
The point you are making Bill, is not so much that I am "an idiot" but
that you regard yourself not only NOT an idiot, but in fact vastly
superior to the likes of me. That kind of thinking is unfortunately the
ONLY source of self-worth atheists have. Theirs is a constant battle to
find inferior people, so as to have reason to bolster their self-esteem
and feel superior to someone ....anyone!!
You aren't going anywhere with that Bill! It all amounts to nothing in
the end. Seek Christ NOW and His perfection, and your life will not only
have meaning, but be eternal.
It is fascinating to see how you distort facts and create scenarios to
dishonestly peddle
your religion. here are some 'facts';
I am 81 years of age and have been an atheist for about 65 of
those eighty years. I have promoted atheism for all of those years. I have
declared that god does not exist for all of those years.
I have had religious friends that have died and suffered painful illnesses
and death over these years.
I served for almost three years in the Army during W.W.II and saw many
highly religious types killed and wounded. I survived W.W.II without a
scratch. Why didn't god smite me for my atheism?
I lived a full, prosperous and enjoyable life, mostly free of diseases and
accidents. I have
flown thousands of hours as a pilot. I have driven many thousands of miles
by car.
Why did god not punish me in an accident?
About five years ago I had a heart attack. I've fully recovered from this.
Why did god not make it fatal or at least debilitating punishment?
A few years ago I suffered from a ruptured appendix. This is frequently
fatal. Why have I not been punished by death for my lack of belief in god?
I know why. I had an excellent and competent doctor that saved my life.
No god did it.
If god created heaven and earth and is all good, why does he permit TOTALLY
INNOCENT babies to be still born or born with serious and permanent
disabilities and permit non believers like me to live and prosper? Why does
he have some children born as geniuses, born to fabulous wealth and others
born idiots or born into grinding poverty and early death?
Where is there ANY objective evidence that believers live any longer
healthier, wealthier or enjoyable lives?
It would seem there is no real god to met out punishments and rewards.
The objective evidence is not that God created man but quite the contrary;
that man created Gods!
I hope that answers your silly questions.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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04 Mar 2006 03:29:50 PM |
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In article <44098117$0$17703$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Ce5Of.5497$f6.1029@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4408a565$0$23031$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...
You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your
car will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other
hand you worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car
should be starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
You are truly an idiot to assume you can read the minds of others.
The point you are making Bill, is not so much that I am "an idiot" but
that you regard yourself not only NOT an idiot, but in fact vastly superior
to the likes of me.
To assume that someone else cannot read what one's own thoughts are does
not imply that that someone is an idiot, but to imply, as unFrank keeps
doing, that he CAN read the minds and motives of others is idiotic.
Ergo, Bill's conclusion is eminently justifiable and justified.
That kind of thinking is unfortunately the ONLY source
of self-worth atheists have.
There unFrank goes again, claiming to read minds. How does unFrank claim
to have knowledge of what goes on in the minds of others? Does his god
grent him the power to read minds? Or should it be the power to read
"souls"?
Theirs is a constant battle to find inferior
people, so as to have reason to bolster their self-esteem and feel superior
to someone ....anyone!!
There unFrank goes again, claiming to read minds. atheists, by and
large, are much too realistic to claim any sort of superiority over
anyone that is not backed up by good evidence. For example, a gold medal
winner in the recent Olympics can regard himself in some respect better
than others because he has concrete evidence of it.
Does unFrank have any gold medals in morality or ethics? Or mindreading?
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| User: "Virgil" |
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03 Mar 2006 06:00:40 PM |
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In article <4408a565$0$23031$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:w8NNf.1379$fF6.1208@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You must be constantly worrying. On the one hand you have faith your car
will start this morning and get you to work on time, on the other hand you
worry about the law of averages telling you, that your car should be
starting to breaks down.
We Christians prefer faith to worry. What about you?
Everybody accepts things on faith, in part because they do not have time
to do otherwise.
But the more important a thing is, the less one should take it entirely
on faith.
If your car does not start and you are late to work once, that is not
liable to be an eathshaking event in your life.
If you are advised that you need quad bypass surgery, that is a big
thing in your life, and you ought to check it out as thoroughly as you
can.
Is accepting a god such a triviality that one should accept it ONLY on
faith? unFrank seems to think so. Atheists and agnostics do not.
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| User: "davey" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
03 Mar 2006 03:30:38 PM |
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Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
davey
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
03 Mar 2006 06:44:14 PM |
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"davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
davey
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you believe in something for
which there is NO
evidence.
Your being quite presumptuous in assuming you know why I make these posts.
I'm not searching for the truth in any religion. I was raised a Catholic and
attended both Catholic grade schools
and High School. It is when I became a well educated adult that I realized
the pure fakery of religion. I'm just
trying to help doubters find there way and subdue religious fanatics from
imposing their religious rules on me and others.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
04 Mar 2006 04:41:01 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
davey
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you believe in something for
which there is NO
evidence.
Your being quite presumptuous in assuming you know why I make these posts.
I'm not searching for the truth in any religion. I was raised a Catholic
and attended both Catholic grade schools
and High School. It is when I became a well educated adult that I realized
the pure fakery of religion. I'm just
trying to help doubters find there way and subdue religious fanatics from
imposing their religious rules on me and others.
Sounds like a crotch problem to me. Are "religious rules" cramping your
life-style?
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| User: "Bill" |
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04 Mar 2006 12:47:06 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
davey
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you believe in something for
which there is NO
evidence.
Your being quite presumptuous in assuming you know why I make these
posts.
I'm not searching for the truth in any religion. I was raised a Catholic
and attended both Catholic grade schools
and High School. It is when I became a well educated adult that I
realized the pure fakery of religion. I'm just
trying to help doubters find there way and subdue religious fanatics from
imposing their religious rules on me and others.
Sounds like a crotch problem to me. Are "religious rules" cramping your
life-style?
When all else fails attack the messenger. Do all good Christian revert to
personal insults
and attacks because they have run out of ANY facts?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
05 Mar 2006 01:02:18 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
davey
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you believe in something for
which there is NO
evidence.
Your being quite presumptuous in assuming you know why I make these
posts.
I'm not searching for the truth in any religion. I was raised a Catholic
and attended both Catholic grade schools
and High School. It is when I became a well educated adult that I
realized the pure fakery of religion. I'm just
trying to help doubters find there way and subdue religious fanatics
from imposing their religious rules on me and others.
Sounds like a crotch problem to me. Are "religious rules" cramping
your life-style?
When all else fails attack the messenger. Do all good Christian revert to
personal insults and attacks because they have run out of ANY facts?
LOL which of course you NEVER do. Tell us then what "religious rules"
are "imposed" on you and to which you object.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
05 Mar 2006 03:02:46 PM |
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In article <440ab82e$0$17684$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Sounds like a crotch problem to me. Are "religious rules" cramping
your life-style?
When all else fails attack the messenger. Do all good Christian revert to
personal insults and attacks because they have run out of ANY facts?
LOL which of course you NEVER do. Tell us then what "religious rules"
are "imposed" on you and to which you object.
For one thing, the emasculation of the pledge of allegiance.
The original version, and the one which I learned in school and still
hold to, did not require any obeisance to any gods.
That abomination was inserted for all the wrong reasons, as a sop to
McCarthyism and anti-communist paranoia, and for no better reason.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
04 Mar 2006 03:36:26 PM |
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In article <4409811c$0$17703$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>,
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Dm5Of.5530$f6.3139@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
I appreciate your honesty in admitting that you believe in something for
which there is NO
evidence.
Your being quite presumptuous in assuming you know why I make these posts.
I'm not searching for the truth in any religion. I was raised a Catholic
and attended both Catholic grade schools
and High School. It is when I became a well educated adult that I realized
the pure fakery of religion. I'm just
trying to help doubters find there way and subdue religious fanatics from
imposing their religious rules on me and others.
Sounds like a crotch problem to me. Are "religious rules" cramping your
life-style?
Is unFrank projecting his own temptations or sins on others here?
Catholicism seems much more effective in imposing other religious rules
besides celibacy anyway, so that unFrank's suggestion is way too far out.
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| User: "davey" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
04 Mar 2006 05:25:27 PM |
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Thanks for the reply Bill, I think I can see some of your reasoning.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyones views, your beliefs are
your own. I didn't say that you were searching for truth in any
religious context, neccesarily. I don't personally follow any
particular doctrine, but I have do faith. Curiously, I was brought up
an atheist.
peace
davey
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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03 Mar 2006 04:10:02 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2006 13:30:38 -0800, "davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com>
wrote:
Bill spoke:
Faith is believing in something for which there is NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
TANGIBLE EVIDENCE.
You're right there Bill! A relationship with God is SUBJECTIVE, only
verifiable with oneself and God, and is not tangible (ie not verifiable
by anyone else) Don't ask me why, I guess it's just mystifying! Good
luck in your quest. I am only supposing here that you are searching,
from your original post it seems that you are devoting considerable
time and effort in some sort of quest to find out the truth.
peace
All of which begs the question.
It is both disrespectful and stupid to talk at atheists as though it
were real.
davey
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE |
02 Mar 2006 08:02:51 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades -
that
it's called faith for a reason.
It's called faith because its basically just belief without knowing for sure
whether what you believe in is true, otherwise it would simply be called
knowledge.
The problem is you guys have faith not in God but in a bunch of
interpretations in one book about God.
--
Andrew W.
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of
any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of
existence.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behaviour of Western Civilization.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Mar 2006 06:06:21 PM |
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on 02 Mar 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:10:25 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE 'SCIENTIFIC' EVIDENCE.
So, you finally figured out what we have been telling you for decades
- that it's called faith for a reason.
'cuz it ain't true?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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02 Mar 2006 05:40:51 PM |
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Ther is only one definition of "GOD" that has a REAL referent,
and that is the one Albert Einstein called "Spinoza's God".
It is Nature, the Cosmic Totality of All Existence, not some throne-sitting
superman idol in the sky, as the one(s) in the Bible, nor some emoticon like the
"Love" idol of the Sheepherder Frank.
Not even the strongest "atheist" will deny that "Spinoza's
God" exists. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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03 Mar 2006 01:25:33 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44078282.F0D28EAD@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Ther is only one definition of "GOD" that has a REAL referent,
and that is the one Albert Einstein called "Spinoza's God".
It is Nature, the Cosmic Totality of All Existence, not some
throne-sitting
superman idol in the sky, as the one(s) in the Bible, nor some emoticon
like the
"Love" idol of the Sheepherder Frank.
Not even the strongest "atheist" will deny that "Spinoza's
God" exists. -- L.
Quoting yourself again, I see. How is it you can't even quote Spinosa,
nor Einstein. At least I quote my reference: Our Christian "God is love" (1
John 4:8,16) not some "throne sitting superman in the sky" of your
imagination.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
03 Mar 2006 09:54:34 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4408a570$0$23031$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44078282.F0D28EAD@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Ther is only one definition of "GOD" that has a REAL referent,
and that is the one Albert Einstein called "Spinoza's God".
It is Nature, the Cosmic Totality of All Existence, not some
throne-sitting
superman idol in the sky, as the one(s) in the Bible, nor some emoticon
like the
"Love" idol of the Sheepherder Frank.
Not even the strongest "atheist" will deny that "Spinoza's
God" exists. -- L.
Quoting yourself again, I see. How is it you can't even quote Spinosa,
nor Einstein. At least I quote my reference: Our Christian "God is love"
(1 John 4:8,16) not some "throne sitting superman in the sky" of your
imagination.
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Pastor Frank,
Libertarius has no integrity nor any education.
Don't waste your time with him.
He is dishonest to the bone.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
04 Mar 2006 06:11:56 AM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:Sb8Of.45$EM.14821@news.uswest.net...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:4408a570$0$23031$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:44078282.F0D28EAD@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Ther is only one definition of "GOD" that has a REAL referent,
and that is the one Albert Einstein called "Spinoza's God".
It is Nature, the Cosmic Totality of All Existence, not some
throne-sitting
superman idol in the sky, as the one(s) in the Bible, nor some emoticon
like the
"Love" idol of the Sheepherder Frank.
Not even the strongest "atheist" will deny that "Spinoza's
God" exists. -- L.
Quoting yourself again, I see. How is it you can't even quote Spinosa,
nor Einstein. At least I quote my reference: Our Christian "God is love"
(1 John 4:8,16) not some "throne sitting superman in the sky" of your
imagination.
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Pastor Frank,
Libertarius has no integrity nor any education.
Don't waste your time with him.
He is dishonest to the bone.
That is true indeed!!! But Christ came for the lost, and who is more
lost than Libertine? I expect him to be found by Jesus any day now, and we
will see another sinner come to repentance. See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Lk:15:7: I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven
over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons,
which need no repentance.
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| User: "xeno" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
04 Mar 2006 04:48:16 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow loser.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
04 Mar 2006 05:08:52 PM |
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"xeno" <xeno@transbay.net> wrote in message
news:20060304144638.J88688@synergy.transbay.net...
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
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| User: "xeno" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
05 Mar 2006 12:07:12 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Richard Dawkins wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow [a] loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
See, ladies & gentleman. A prime example.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
05 Mar 2006 01:58:36 PM |
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"xeno" <xeno@transbay.net> wrote in message
news:20060305100244.K25197@synergy.transbay.net...
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Richard Dawkins wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow [a] loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
See, ladies & gentleman. A prime example.
You most certainly foot the bill :-)
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| User: "xeno" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
05 Mar 2006 03:33:40 PM |
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Richard Dawkins wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow [a] loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
See, ladies & gentleman. A prime example.
You most certainly foot the bill :-)
Your affectation of certainty is symptomatic of your predilection for
groundless things.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
05 Mar 2006 03:46:32 PM |
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"xeno" <xeno@transbay.net> wrote in message
news:20060305131251.I91842@synergy.transbay.net...
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Richard Dawkins wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow [a] loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
See, ladies & gentleman. A prime example.
You most certainly foot the bill :-)
Your affectation of certainty is symptomatic of your predilection for
groundless things.
Ponder the significance of short person behavior, pneumatically depressed
and other such highly ambient domains.
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| User: "xeno" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH GOD IS THE REAL ONE? |
05 Mar 2006 10:08:43 PM |
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Richard Dawkins wrote:
Christ came for the lost ...
Because only suckers would follow [a] loser.
Because you know he exists you God hating moron.
See, ladies & gentleman. A prime example.
You most certainly foot the bill :-)
Your affectation of certainty is symptomatic of your predilection for
groundless things.
Ponder the significance of short person behavior, pneumatically depressed
and other such highly ambient domains.
Ponder Kant. He cope. Are you saying, you can't?
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