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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill" |
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17 Nov 2005 08:08:34 PM |
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WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
Just the MAJOR world religions;
Christianity
Confucianism
Baha'i
Buddhism
Mormonism
Islam
Hinduism
Judaism
Sikhism
Taoism
Zoroastrianism
Major sacred texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacred writings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confucianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Then there also is the ancient atheist book of quatrains; The Rubaiyat by
Omar Khayyam.
And hundreds of variations on the beliefs in all these religions.
These are just the major religions. There are many more minor religions.
Additionally all have dozens and hundreds of different beliefs and factions
within their primary religion..
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of these documents are objective evidence.
They are all documents written, copied, recopied and modified by errant men
over the centuries. There is no way to establish authenticity or accuracy.
The objective evidence is that they are just a mixture of history, myth,
folklore and legends.
Of the BILLIONS of people on this earth, none have VERIFIABLY heard from any
of these gods or from any of their dead relatives or friends. There are a
relatively few that CLAIM they have heard from THEIR god but these are
likely just the imaginings of neurotic believers and religious fakers.
The objective evidence is that man was not created by gods but quite the
opposite; that man created the gods.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
18 Nov 2005 11:20:22 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
19 Nov 2005 01:50:01 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do
we know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
So your religious belief is based on comfort?
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
19 Nov 2005 02:04:08 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do
we know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most
comfortable with.
So your religious belief is based on comfort?
Yes, I would say so. Comfort in believing we have a destiny that awaits us.
What's your point?
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Nov 2005 04:23:03 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Dktff.27040$0l5.1457@dukeread06...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Wo5ff.4864$Y82.3398@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do
we know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most
comfortable with.
So your religious belief is based on comfort?
Yes, I would say so. Comfort in believing we have a destiny that awaits us.
What's your point?
The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's fullest
without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
As there ain't gonna be one.
[stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 04:38:35 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's fullest
without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
As there ain't gonna be one.
[stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the Bible. God
does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God does exist, I have
everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean once you're
non-existant and have no memories about this life you just lived? Death is
forever.
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your way.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2005 01:34:55 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:437FF9D0.CC0B3679@netvigator.com...
The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's
fullest without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
As there ain't gonna be one.
[stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the
Bible. God does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God
does exist, I have everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Or Allah exists and you get to roast with the other infidels.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other cowards.
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists and you get to boil in the Sauce
forever.
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean once
you're non-existant and have no memories about this life you just
lived? Death is forever.
But here and now we are alive.
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your way.
Gee, thanks. As if we needed your permission.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 03:10:42 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the
Bible. God does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God
does exist, I have everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Or Allah exists and you get to roast with the other infidels.
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on the
fact that it is a false religion.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists and you get to boil in the Sauce
forever.
Now that would be a treat! Does that come with free colesterol?
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean once
you're non-existant and have no memories about this life you just
lived? Death is forever.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth now? If
you think about it, the more you have now, the more you will lose when you
die. It's best not to have anything.
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your way.
Gee, thanks. As if we needed your permission.
Why should you if you are your only boss?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2005 04:37:51 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:yl0gf.40980$0l5.34586@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the
Bible. God does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God
does exist, I have everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Or Allah exists and you get to roast with the other infidels.
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live my
life as if it's a true religion.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists and you get to boil in the
Sauce forever.
Now that would be a treat! Does that come with free colesterol?
The point being that there are an infinite number of other "god
stories" of which yours is only one, so your odds aren't any better than
mine.
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean
once you're non-existant and have no memories about this life you
just lived? Death is forever.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth now?
It's worth everything now.
If you think about it, the more you have now, the more you will lose
when you die. It's best not to have anything.
I won't be worried about it after I'm dead, so why worry about it now?
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your
way.
Gee, thanks. As if we needed your permission.
Why should you if you are your only boss?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 04:57:49 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live my
life as if it's a true religion.
More power to you.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
I don't like the guy already. Here's why:
"Odin is a god of war and death, but also the god of poetry and wisdom. He
hung for nine days, pierced by his own spear, on the world tree."
I hate war and death. Poetry and wisdom is fine but worthless without life.
Because he was peirced by his own spear, this means he's either stupid or
there is another being that is more powerful and able to defeat him. I'll
stick with my God.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth now?
It's worth everything now.
Not if you're going to lose it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:19:20 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:_V1gf.42977$0l5.10753@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9714767525455fstone69@213.155.197.138...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity
on the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live
my life as if it's a true religion.
More power to you.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
I don't like the guy already. Here's why:
It's not a question of liking or disliking. If Odin is the Real Deal
then you're screwed, dude.
"Odin is a god of war and death, but also the god of poetry and
wisdom. He hung for nine days, pierced by his own spear, on the world
tree."
I hate war and death. Poetry and wisdom is fine but worthless without
life. Because he was peirced by his own spear, this means he's either
stupid or there is another being that is more powerful and able to
defeat him. I'll stick with my God.
Fate is more powerful than the gods.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth
now?
It's worth everything now.
Not if you're going to lose it.
That's an odd concept. I think I'll value each day for itself. I like
that concept better.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:40:52 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:_V1gf.42977$0l5.10753@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9714767525455fstone69@213.155.197.138...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity
on the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live
my life as if it's a true religion.
More power to you.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
I don't like the guy already. Here's why:
It's not a question of liking or disliking. If Odin is the Real Deal
then you're screwed, dude.
I would be screwed either way, so what's the difference?
Fate is more powerful than the gods.
True, but fate is less powerful than my God.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth
now?
It's worth everything now.
Not if you're going to lose it.
That's an odd concept. I think I'll value each day for itself. I like
that concept better.
I'd rather prepare for the possibilities of tomorrow.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:36:08 PM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in news:qy2gf.43308
$0l5.35030@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97147D7DA7184fstone69@213.155.197.138...
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:_V1gf.42977$0l5.10753@dukeread06:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9714767525455fstone69@213.155.197.138...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity
on the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live
my life as if it's a true religion.
More power to you.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
I don't like the guy already. Here's why:
It's not a question of liking or disliking. If Odin is the Real Deal
then you're screwed, dude.
I would be screwed either way, so what's the difference?
Fate is more powerful than the gods.
True, but fate is less powerful than my God.
So you claim.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth
now?
It's worth everything now.
Not if you're going to lose it.
That's an odd concept. I think I'll value each day for itself. I like
that concept better.
I'd rather prepare for the possibilities of tomorrow.
Go for it. I don't consider bronze age fantasies to be "possibilities".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:47:46 PM |
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In article <_V1gf.42977$0l5.10753@dukeread06>,
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9714767525455fstone69@213.155.197.138...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the fact that it is a false religion.
Having learned the history of Christianity, I'm not willing to live my
life as if it's a true religion.
More power to you.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other
cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Also known as Odin:
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/o/odin.html
I don't like the guy already. Here's why:
"Odin is a god of war and death, but also the god of poetry and wisdom. He
hung for nine days, pierced by his own spear, on the world tree."
I hate war and death.
Then I can't imagine what you find so appealing about Christianity. The
Old Testament is nothing but war and death.
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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20 Nov 2005 04:26:57 PM |
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Op Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:10:42 +0100 schreef Bill Gamelson
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns971457700988Afstone69@213.155.197.138...
How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the
Bible. God does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God
does exist, I have everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Or Allah exists and you get to roast with the other infidels.
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on the
fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
Or Wotan exists and you get to languish in Hel with the other cowards.
Tell me about Wotan. I've never heard of this guy.
Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists and you get to boil in the Sauce
forever.
Now that would be a treat! Does that come with free colesterol?
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean once
you're non-existant and have no memories about this life you just
lived? Death is forever.
But here and now we are alive.
Yes, but you can't take any of that with you, so what is it worth now?
Since it's everything there is, it means everything. Duh!
If
you think about it, the more you have now, the more you will lose when
you
die. It's best not to have anything.
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care? The best I can hope for is that I will be
missed and I know I will be.
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your way.
Well, if you want to grovel to a non-existent deity to secure a
non-existent afterlife, you're very welcome to it.
Gee, thanks. As if we needed your permission.
Why should you if you are your only boss?
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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20 Nov 2005 04:52:34 PM |
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"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
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Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on the
fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
More power to you.
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care?
If that is true, then what do I have to lose?
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:40:14 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:52:34 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3R1gf.42883$0l5.41671@dukeread06>:
"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.s0jry7q7vjeuhq@laptophannele...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on the
fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
More power to you.
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care?
If that is true, then what do I have to lose?
A meaningful life here.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:45:54 PM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:52:34 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3R1gf.42883$0l5.41671@dukeread06>:
"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.s0jry7q7vjeuhq@laptophannele...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the
fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
More power to you.
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care?
If that is true, then what do I have to lose?
A meaningful life here.
A "meaningful" life has no meaning if I will ultimately lose it and have no
memory to reminisce on. It will be as if I had never lived it at that
point.
I'm happy right where I'm at.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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20 Nov 2005 10:44:41 PM |
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In article <4D2gf.43343$0l5.25361@dukeread06>,
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:n7d1o1dhgagti5v52lco210qt2778hja4s@4ax.com...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:52:34 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in
<3R1gf.42883$0l5.41671@dukeread06>:
"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.s0jry7q7vjeuhq@laptophannele...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
More power to you.
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care?
If that is true, then what do I have to lose?
A meaningful life here.
A "meaningful" life has no meaning if I will ultimately lose it and have no
memory to reminisce on. It will be as if I had never lived it at that
point.
I'm happy right where I'm at.
How nice it would be if you would give others the same consideration
instead of sticking your nose into their lives and trying to sell them
on yours.
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| User: "Hannele Huigens" |
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21 Nov 2005 10:06:13 PM |
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Op Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:52:34 +0100 schreef Bill Gamelson
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com>:
"Hannele Huigens" <Hannele@lycos.nl> wrote in message
news:op.s0jry7q7vjeuhq@laptophannele...
Having learned the history of Islam, I'm willing to stake eternity on
the
fact that it is a false religion.
The same goes for me and Christianity. Funny, that.
More power to you.
Power? I'm not out for power. But could you tell me why Islam is a false
religion while Christianity is true? Why should I believe in Jesus and not
in Allah?
When I'm dead, I'm dead. I won't be there to miss a thing, so what do I
lose and how could I even care?
If that is true, then what do I have to lose?
Living your life to the fullest, giving it meaning for yourself and
others. What else? Does your life here and now have so little meaning that
you can only endure it because what might happen after you lose it? If so,
I pity you, whole-heartedly. Don't you believe that even if your god
exists he wants you to live a good life, worthwhile to yourself and those
around you? Or do you think this is just the valley of tears, with a
reward for your suffering after death? That sounds so bleak, so dark, so
terrible that it hurts me to even think it might be like that to you.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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| User: "Contraband" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 06:13:46 AM |
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"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:05Tff.40315$0l5.20323@dukeread06...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's fullest
without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
As there ain't gonna be one.
[stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the Bible.
God
does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God does exist, I
have
everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
What's this? A restatement of Pascal's Wager? What you have to lose is
guaranteed. You lose all the time you waste hoping for events which will
never happen, like the curing of your cancer, the behavorial changes in your
prodigal son, the change of heart for your cheating wife, etc.
Oh what's this about "life to the fullest?" What will that mean once
you're
non-existant and have no memories about this life you just lived? Death
is
forever.
It will mean only as much as those who knew me in life respected me. If I
am evil in life, I will be remembered as evil in death. Anything beyond
that is just a false hope.
I believe I'm much better off, but you go ahead and have it your way.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:22:07 AM |
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In article <05Tff.40315$0l5.20323@dukeread06>,
"Bill Gamelson" <bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:437FF9D0.CC0B3679@netvigator.com...
The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's fullest
without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
As there ain't gonna be one.
[stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
How about this one...
You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the Bible. God
does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God does exist, I have
everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
Yes, you do. What if god does exist but it's not the god you worship?
What if the Muslims are right? Or the Native Americans? Or the Hindi?
If that's the case than all your bible worship will have gotten you
nowhere. You'll be sitting right next to me, the atheist, in hell. And
won't that give me a chuckle!
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 06:54:41 AM |
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"BTR1701" wrote
: "Bill Gamelson" wrote:
: > "bob young" wrote
: > >
: > > The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's
fullest
: > > without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
: > >
: > > As there ain't gonna be one.
: > >
: > > [stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
: >
: > How about this one...
: >
: > You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the Bible.
God
: > does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God does exist, I
have
: > everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
:
: Yes, you do. What if god does exist but it's not the god you worship?
: What if the Muslims are right? Or the Native Americans? Or the Hindi?
:
: If that's the case than all your bible worship will have gotten you
: nowhere. You'll be sitting right next to me, the atheist, in hell. And
: won't that give me a chuckle!
I'll be there chuckling with you.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 02:02:22 PM |
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In article <M5KdnWScdrhWgB3eRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"BTR1701" wrote
: "Bill Gamelson" wrote:
: > "bob young" wrote
: > >
: > > The point should be living one's life on this planet now to it's
fullest
: > > without hankering after primitive hopes for the next.
: > >
: > > As there ain't gonna be one.
: > >
: > > [stand by for the usual crappy comment 'how do you know']
: >
: > How about this one...
: >
: > You live your life for yourself, I live my life according to the Bible.
God
: > does not exist, I have nothing to lose, nor do you. God does exist, I
have
: > everything to gain, you have everything to lose.
:
: Yes, you do. What if god does exist but it's not the god you worship?
: What if the Muslims are right? Or the Native Americans? Or the Hindi?
:
: If that's the case than all your bible worship will have gotten you
: nowhere. You'll be sitting right next to me, the atheist, in hell. And
: won't that give me a chuckle!
I'll be there chuckling with you.
I'm sure there will be a constant dull roar of laughter at all the
Christians sent to hell by Allah or Quetzalcoatl or whoever, who thought
they had nothing to lose by being Christian.
Of course Gamelson won't see this because he's playing ostrich with me.
My arguments made him uncomfortable so like most of his religious
brethren, he killed-filed me immediately so he wouldn't have to be faced
with anything unpleasant.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 04:21:03 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Wo5ff.4864$Y82.3398@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
It it don't get more banal than that
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 04:24:27 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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It it don't get more banal than that
Repeating yourself is the first sign of insanity.
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| User: "bob young" |
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26 Nov 2005 05:16:02 AM |
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Bill Gamelson wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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It it don't get more banal than that
Repeating yourself is the first sign of insanity.
that's funny coming from a religionist !
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
19 Nov 2005 06:23:55 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:20:22 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Wo5ff.4864$Y82.3398@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
An honest answer.
I dont believe any of them - I am not comfortable with the idea of any
religion created by man being worthy of blind trust.
I've met too many human beings.
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Bill Gamelson" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
19 Nov 2005 02:07:21 PM |
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"Mark Richardson" <spam2oblivion@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:97htn1tnbfq209ir8dptt5ibsekqku3e16@4ax.com...
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do
we
know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
An honest answer.
I dont believe any of them - I am not comfortable with the idea of any
religion created by man being worthy of blind trust.
I've met too many human beings.
Fair enough.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
20 Nov 2005 04:24:02 AM |
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Mark Richardson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:20:22 -0600, "Bill Gamelson"
<bill_gamelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Wo5ff.4864$Y82.3398@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
We don't. We believe and we trust in the religion we are most comfortable
with.
An honest answer.
I dont believe any of them - I am not comfortable with the idea of any
religion created by man being worthy of blind trust.
I've met too many human beings.
8-)
Me too. Funny lot aren't we?
Mark.
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| User: "ManMadeGod" |
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| Title: Re: WHICH IS THE REAL GOD??? |
17 Nov 2005 08:51:19 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Considering the thousands of different religious and god beliefs how do we
know which , if any, is real?
None. They were all created by man to control society and try to explain
what man didn't know. Most religions work on man's fear using a good/evil,
black/white mentality.
The objective evidence is that man was not created by gods but quite the
opposite; that man created the gods.
Exactly.
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