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"Bill" |
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03 Aug 2003 07:27:21 PM |
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Which is the right one? |
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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Bill Mech
wmech@att.net
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Aug 2003 07:59:26 AM |
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Ronald Dean wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:3F2DC048.4000900@earthling.com...
Bill wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
They can't all be right.
And why not?
They contradict each other.
They *can* all be wrong.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Gringo" |
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03 Aug 2003 09:16:19 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:09:12 -0400, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
~Bill wrote:
~> There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
~> beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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~They can't all be right. They *can* all be wrong.
They're all right and they're all wrong.
Depends on who you talk to.
Un hombre sabio utilizará su cerebro.
Un tonto utiliza el cerebro de otro.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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03 Aug 2003 09:22:51 PM |
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Gringo wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:09:12 -0400, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
~Bill wrote:
~> There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
~> beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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~They can't all be right. They *can* all be wrong.
They're all right and they're all wrong.
Depends on who you talk to.
Depends on what you ask, too.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Kermit" |
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05 Aug 2003 07:22:14 AM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93CD7E6548666Mekkala@199.45.49.11>...
On 03 Aug 2003, Gringo <PCMorales@Jaurez.com.mx> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:pegriv48bedotj88nlqre99icd81v2un0h@4ax.com:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:09:12 -0400, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
~Bill wrote:
~> There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of
different
religious
~> beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
~>
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~They can't all be right. They *can* all be wrong.
They're all right and they're all wrong.
Depends on who you talk to.
The people who claim "they're all right" (that is, they're all
just different ways of looking at the same God) are just trying
to please everyone, which, as we all know, is impossible. I
mean, the Christian religion says that if you worship any God
other than theirs, you're going to Hell. How can you *possibly*
say that that religion is true, and others are as well? It's
like agreeing that pi=3.14159 AND pi=3, both at the same time,
just to please everyone. In other words, you can *say* they're
both true, but you can't make them both true. It's logically
impossible.
The answer is, they're all wrong.
"Everybody's the same"
"We're all different"
"Too many cooks spoil the broth"
"Two heads are better than one"
"For want of a shoe, a kingdom was lost"
"Don't sweat the small stuff"
Contradictory statements are often both true. But if I may observe:
These are poetic "Truths", they are metaphorical. This claim that all
religions are true does not - and cannot - sit well with literalists
of any stripe. There are "Unitarian-type" believers of all major
religions. Curiously, they are not the ones starting wars, religious
or otherwise.
I suppose religion can give a path for someone who feels a powerful
"spiritual urge", whatever that is. A myth (by definition) can give
meaning and purpose to a person and a culture. But the literal form of
poetic metaphor can lead one into dangerous and wrong literal beliefs.
If "male" and "female", for instance, are asssociated in a cultural
tradition with certain images, then this can reinforce stereotypes
which imprison young folk into roles which may be inappropriate for
them, and which may be maladaptive when the larger context changes for
a culture.
Look at the mischief that the concepts "virgin" or "warrior" and their
historical and emotional and moral baggage have created for men and
women in Western culture. It seems to be those folks who see these
stories most concretely who are most determined to bully others into
behaving in a certain way.
A lone shaman may be a safe and entertaining character to have about,
but I think that traditional religions cause far more harm than good.
--- Kermit
Unrepentantly corrupted by science fiction for over 40 years.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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06 Aug 2003 01:29:22 PM |
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On 05 Aug 2003, (Kermit) screwed up
his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in
news:1575bfdc.0308050422.581f8485@posting.google.com:
"Everybody's the same"
"We're all different"
Logically, either one or the other of these is true. They cannot
both be fully true. If you changed the first to "Everybody's
similar," then they could both be true.
"Too many cooks spoil the broth"
"Two heads are better than one"
Likewise, these cannot both be true in the same situation, unless
"too many" designates a number greater than two.
"For want of a shoe, a kingdom was lost"
"Don't sweat the small stuff"
Again, in some situations the small stuff matters. In others it
doesn't. Contradictory statements cannot both be true.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I
suddenly realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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06 Aug 2003 01:30:08 PM |
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On 05 Aug 2003, Martin Thomas <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net>
screwed up his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the
following message in news:mq11jvss3gi5m96nk1puubu2sb8jst37c4@
4ax.com:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:18:21 GMT, Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On 03 Aug 2003, Gringo <PCMorales@Jaurez.com.mx> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following
message
in news:pegriv48bedotj88nlqre99icd81v2un0h@4ax.com:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:09:12 -0400, Fred Stone <fstone69
@earthling.com>
wrote:
~Bill wrote:
~> There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of
different
religious
~> beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
~>
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~They can't all be right. They *can* all be wrong.
They're all right and they're all wrong.
Depends on who you talk to.
The people who claim "they're all right" (that is, they're all
just different ways of looking at the same God) are just trying
to please everyone, which, as we all know, is impossible. I
mean, the Christian religion says that if you worship any God
other than theirs, you're going to Hell.
The biggest Christian cult no longer teaches that. About 40
years
ago the second Vatican conference decided that virtuous people
who had not been brought up Catholic could go to Heaven, even
atheists. I don't know if ex Catholics are allowed in; the
relevent document is so badly written that I could not figure
it
out, but as an ex Catholic I don't like the idea of the
Catholic
Heaven anyway :)
How can you *possibly*
say that that religion is true, and others are as well? It's
like agreeing that pi=3.14159 AND pi=3, both at the same time,
just to please everyone. In other words, you can *say* they're
both true, but you can't make them both true. It's logically
impossible.
The answer is, they're all wrong.
However, the less superstitious versions of Bhuddism and Toaism
are compatible. Hiduism is really a collection of related
religions, some of which of compatible with them. A tiny
handful
of Christians could be included. And many sufis, shamans etc.
But most religion is incomptable with everything.
Look, I'm not saying that there's aren't religions that are
compatible. But they can't *all* be true.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I
suddenly realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Which is the right one? |
20 Oct 2003 09:24:55 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:43:22 +0100, Martin Thomas wrote:
The biggest Christian cult no longer teaches that. About 40 years ago the
second Vatican conference decided that virtuous people who had not been
brought up Catholic could go to Heaven, even atheists.
The current pope, however, is backing them out of that...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "johac" |
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03 Aug 2003 11:56:56 PM |
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In article
<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and verifiable
evidence for its beliefs. Until one does that, I see no reason to
consider any one of of them right.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
"In those parts of the world where learning and science has prevailed,
miracles ceased; but in those parts that are barbarous and ignorant,
miracles are still in vogue." -Letters of Ethan Allen to Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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06 Aug 2003 10:44:17 PM |
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"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4B9860.21565603082003@news-50.giganews.com...
In article
<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and verifiable
evidence for its beliefs.
What would you accept as evidence?
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| User: "raven1" |
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07 Aug 2003 01:44:34 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:44:17 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4B9860.21565603082003@news-50.giganews.com...
In article
<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and verifiable
evidence for its beliefs.
What would you accept as evidence?
If an omniscient deity actually did exist, it would know exactly what
sort of evidence would suffice to convince not only Johac, but me, and
every other atheist for that matter.
That such evidence has failed to be provided thus far leads one to the
conclusion that if there is such a being, it either doesn't care if we
atheists believe in it, or doesn't want us to do so. In the first
case, kiss the relevance of such a deity goodbye; in the second case,
toss aside omnibenevolence.
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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07 Aug 2003 10:11:58 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 02:44:34 -0400, raven1
<psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:44:17 -0400, "Ronald Dean" <rond@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4B9860.21565603082003@news-50.giganews.com...
In article
<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and verifiable
evidence for its beliefs.
What would you accept as evidence?
If an omniscient deity actually did exist, it would know exactly what
sort of evidence would suffice to convince not only Johac, but me, and
every other atheist for that matter.
That such evidence has failed to be provided thus far leads one to the
conclusion that if there is such a being, it either doesn't care if we
atheists believe in it, or doesn't want us to do so. In the first
case, kiss the relevance of such a deity goodbye; in the second case,
toss aside omnibenevolence.
In my first ever post to alt.atheism about 6 years ago I flamed a
Christian who was very rude to some atheists. I told him that
atheists had been sent on a divine mission to destroy the dead
and hypocritical religions.
Very few Christians believe in a God who could operate like that,
but I think that the Hindu Brahman could very easily do such a
thing. Maybe I will become a temporary theist troll and promote
the idea at some point :)
-
Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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09 Aug 2003 08:09:20 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:51:55 -0400, "Doug Semler"
<doug_semler@REMOVEMEwideopenwest.com> wrote:
At some point in the past, Martin Thomas
<mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> slavered, and posted this:
In my first ever post to alt.atheism about 6 years ago I flamed a
Christian who was very rude to some atheists. I told him that
atheists had been sent on a divine mission to destroy the dead
and hypocritical religions.
Of course it is, you've heard of the EAC, haven't you? <eg>
Very few Christians believe in a God who could operate like that,
but I think that the Hindu Brahman could very easily do such a
thing. Maybe I will become a temporary theist troll and promote
the idea at some point :)
Lol, but I think you mean Vishnu
Brahma = creator of the universe
Vishnu = keeper (incarnated as Krishna, among others) of the universe
Shiva = destroyer of the universe
I meant that Brahma could happily allow such a thing, which the
dour Christian God - who was really created by all those dull
theologians - could not.
But you are right about the details. I should consider becoming
an incarnation of Vishnu. Or maybe some slightly lesser God or
Goddess?
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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07 Aug 2003 10:10:07 AM |
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raven1 <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:<dat3jvsfof1kag63rfq7sgb6dm20e8id25@4ax.com>...
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands
of different religious beliefs in the world. Which
if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and
verifiable evidence for its beliefs.
What would you accept as evidence?
If an omniscient deity actually did exist, it would know
exactly what sort of evidence would suffice to convince
not only Johac, but me, and every other atheist for that
matter.
Quite true, and theists _hate_ that. Here's the rest of the argument,
in a nutshell:
Theist: But God knows that there is _no_ amount or kind of evidence
that would convince you, because you refuse to believe no matter what!
Atheist: You mean to tell me that an omnipotent god can't convince a
lowly mortal that it exists?
Theist: Of course He could, but only by violating your free will,
which God chooses not to do.
Atheist: So God couldn't, like, rearrange some stars to spell out
"John 3:16" or "Allah Rulez" from our perspective?
Theist: That's much too vulgar a display of power, Karras. I mean,
you still wouldn't believe. Or it'd violate your free will. Or you
don't deserve it, hellbound dog. Oh, I have a headache and must go
now...
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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07 Aug 2003 08:00:08 AM |
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Ronald Dean wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-4B9860.21565603082003@news-50.giganews.com...
In article
<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The one that can provide objective, demonstrable, and verifiable
evidence for its beliefs.
What would you accept as evidence?
Show me some and I'll let you know.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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04 Aug 2003 09:01:40 AM |
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In article <JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
-There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
-beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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IMHO, the ones that teaches and practices:
Rom. 13:9 The commandments, ³Do not commit adultery,² ³Do not murder,²
³Do not steal,² ³Do not covet,² and whatever other commandment there may
be, are summed up in this one rule: ³Love your neighbor as yourself.²
Gal. 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: ³Love your
neighbor as yourself.²
James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ³Love
your neighbor as yourself,² you are doing right.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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05 Aug 2003 11:43:32 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:01:40 GMT,
RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com (Ninure Saunders) wrote:
In article <JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
-There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
-beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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IMHO, the ones that teaches and practices:
Rom. 13:9 The commandments, ³Do not commit adultery,² ³Do not murder,²
³Do not steal,² ³Do not covet,² and whatever other commandment there may
be, are summed up in this one rule: ³Love your neighbor as yourself.²
Gal. 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: ³Love your
neighbor as yourself.²
James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ³Love
your neighbor as yourself,² you are doing right.
That includes lots of people, including many atheists. And I can
think of quite a few Christians I know who would qualify - and
Muslims and Jews as well.
The Dalai Lama said that being kind to people is more important
than having correct beliefs.
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "AllenHoessli" |
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05 Aug 2003 11:30:47 PM |
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THere were actually 2 commandments in which Christ said summed up the
Law and the Prophets. One was to love your neighbor as yourself. The
first and most important was that you should love the Lord your God
with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. You seem to think
because this was spoken that it did away with the Law or that there is
a contradiction. Those 2 "new" commands that Christ told (loving God
and loving neighbor) are quotes from the Old Testament.
Leviticus 19:8 is the quote about loving your neighbor and Deuteronomy
6:5 is the quote about loving God. The 10 commandments support those
2 commandments. The first 4 commandments show the best way to love
God and the last 6 show how mankind should love each other. But
remember, keeping the commandments or doing something does not merit
salvation. God wants to give you it free of charge.
RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com (Ninure Saunders) wrote in message news:<RainbowChristiannohate-0408030913270001@h-68-164-12-200.chcgilgm.covad.net>...
In article <JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
-There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
-beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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IMHO, the ones that teaches and practices:
Rom. 13:9 The commandments, ³Do not commit adultery,² ³Do not murder,²
³Do not steal,² ³Do not covet,² and whatever other commandment there may
be, are summed up in this one rule: ³Love your neighbor as yourself.²
Gal. 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: ³Love your
neighbor as yourself.²
James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ³Love
your neighbor as yourself,² you are doing right.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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05 Aug 2003 10:01:31 PM |
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[alt.atheism.holysmoke removed - not carried by my server]
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:01:40 GMT,
(Ninure Saunders) wrote:
In article <JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
-There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
-beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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IMHO, the ones that teaches and practices:
Rom. 13:9 The commandments, ³Do not commit adultery,² ³Do not murder,²
³Do not steal,² ³Do not covet,² and whatever other commandment there may
be, are summed up in this one rule: ³Love your neighbor as yourself.²
Yes but you would say that wouldnt you?
The true religion hasnt been found/invented yet but we* struggle
towards it blindly.
I am quite sure gods, deamons and other such monsters are no part of
the true religion.
I have at least figured out that much.
(which puts me way ahead of the Christians.)
8-)
Mark.
*sincere spriritual searchers of good will.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "MkUltra" |
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10 Aug 2003 09:22:19 PM |
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Maybe they all pray to the same God and most dont realize it
http://www.tulsabahai.org
"Bill" <wmech@w
orldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Almost all religions claim their God is the only true God. Which is the
real God and which are the phonies?
--
Bill Mech
wmech@att.net
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:3F2DACFB.55136EE8@rica.net...
Bill wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
Why would there be a right one?
--
John Popelish
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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12 Aug 2003 02:28:34 PM |
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"MkUltra" <me@you.com> wrote in message news:<vAWZa.902$A81.614@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>...
Almost all religions claim their God is the
only true God. Which is the real God and
which are the phonies?
Maybe they all pray to the same God and most dont realize it
If you are talking about the nonexistent one, I agree.
Your welcome to your beliefs. Seems illogical to make such
an assumption with so little proof. :)
You mean assuming that there are existent gods? Or assuming that
"they all pray to the same" one, existent or otherwise?
Hint: You can't claim the high ground while submerged in a swamp.
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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04 Aug 2003 05:58:01 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT the ET form known as
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There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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| User: "ShyDavid" |
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| Title: Re: Which is the right one? |
12 Aug 2003 04:52:38 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
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There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
Null.
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| User: "OldguyTeck" |
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19 Aug 2003 07:28:11 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mpainteratattdotnet> wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
Null.
And for those who don't know, Null ain't even nothing.
But it is something.
Ed................(OldguyTeck)
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| User: "Martin Thomas" |
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03 Aug 2003 09:30:02 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
The ones that claim that they are right and everyone else is
wrong are all wrong.
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Martin Thomas
mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
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| User: "raven1" |
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03 Aug 2003 10:50:12 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
They can't all be right. However, they *can* all be wrong. Take it
from there.
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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| Title: Re: Which is the right one? |
05 Aug 2003 01:03:48 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:27:21 GMT, "Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
What does "right" mean?
No religion is 100% false and none is 100% true - like all creations
of mankind they are a mixture of true and false good and evil.
Even that religion that had people sacrifice virgins probably said
many true and wise things - otherwise why would it last for centuries?
In any case, believing in gods is foolish and dangerous - I am pretty
certain of that.
Mark.
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| User: "Nokia" |
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05 Aug 2003 10:25:47 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:03:48 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
What does "right" mean?
I think, in this case, the one that is closest to the truth. If
there's a bearded fellow in the sky with a big hammer, the Vikings
were right, and we are wrong. If it's an elephant with four arms, the
hindus are right, and the Vikings were wrong. If it's an alien, the
Aetherians (http://www.aetherius.org/) are right, and the hindus are
wrong.
Etcetera, etcetera.
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Highpriest in the Church Of The Invisible Pink Unicorn
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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05 Aug 2003 09:33:28 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:25:47 +0200, Nokia <nokiamail@hotpop.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:03:48 GMT, Mark Richardson
<mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote:
What does "right" mean?
I think, in this case, the one that is closest to the truth. If
there's a bearded fellow in the sky with a big hammer, the Vikings
were right, and we are wrong. If it's an elephant with four arms, the
hindus are right, and the Vikings were wrong.
I guessed that was what was meant - but even so there are still
problems.
Religious beliefs are not simply matter of fact that are either right
or wrong - some are - but not all.
"God created the heavens and the earth" is either true or false - its
a binary thing.
"You should respect your elders" - is not a question of existence and
isnt simply true or simply false.
A great deal of what constitutes religion is what can be called value
sytems and "worldviews" which cant be assigned "true" or "false"
values - at least not without reference to cultural or social or
personal conditions.
But - yeah I think that is what he meant.
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "AllenHoessli" |
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04 Aug 2003 12:03:07 AM |
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True religion comes from an honest heart. It's in the Bible, Isaiah
29:13, NIV. "The Lord says: ‘These people come near to Me with their
mouth and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.
Their worship of Me is made up only of rules taught by men.'"
True religion is focused on Jesus, not philosophies. It's in the
Bible, Colossians 2:8, TLB. "Don't let others spoil your faith and joy
with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on
men's thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said."
True religion bears spiritual fruit. It's in the Bible, Matthew 21:43,
NIV. "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away
from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."
True religion is doing for others and staying true to the Lord. It's
in the Bible, James 1:27, NIV. "Religion that God our Father accepts
as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in
their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<JLhXa.83490$3o3.5755326@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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| User: "Ronald Dean" |
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06 Aug 2003 10:44:58 PM |
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"AllenHoessli" <allenhoessli1974@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1bbae169.0308032103.6bfed01f@posting.google.com...
True religion comes from an honest heart. It's in the Bible, Isaiah
29:13, NIV. "The Lord says: 'These people come near to Me with their
mouth and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.
Their worship of Me is made up only of rules taught by men.'"
True religion is focused on Jesus, not philosophies. It's in the
Bible, Colossians 2:8, TLB. "Don't let others spoil your faith and joy
with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on
men's thoughts and ideas, instead of on what Christ has said."
True religion bears spiritual fruit. It's in the Bible, Matthew 21:43,
NIV. "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away
from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."
True religion is doing for others and staying true to the Lord. It's
in the Bible, James 1:27, NIV. "Religion that God our Father accepts
as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in
their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
Amen, brother!
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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There are hundreds of religions and tens of thousands of different
religious
beliefs in the world. Which if any is the right one?
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