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"Jim Hutton" |
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21 Oct 2003 09:04:21 AM |
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.Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
JH (#1696)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
21 Oct 2003 11:23:14 AM |
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Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe, that
popes had to first be cardinals.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
21 Oct 2003 01:33:56 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe, that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify. In practice only cardinals are considered.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Clayton of Green Gables..Tra la la la la" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
21 Oct 2003 08:54:31 PM |
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"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify.
Damn. I had my hopes all up that I had a chance. I just love those fancy
white dresses.
In practice only cardinals are considered.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long
pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single
boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
22 Oct 2003 01:32:24 AM |
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In article <3f95e3cf$0$21652$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"Clayton of Green Gables..Tra la la la la"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify.
Damn. I had my hopes all up that I had a chance. I just love those fancy
white dresses.
Dang! I wanted to wear a funny hat and ride in that cool Popemobile.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
22 Oct 2003 02:59:57 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:54:31 +1000, "Clayton of Green Gables..Tra la
la la la" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify.
Damn. I had my hopes all up that I had a chance. I just love those fancy
white dresses.
Not to mention the tax benefits and job security.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
21 Oct 2003 06:30:15 PM |
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"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify. In practice only cardinals are considered.
But, but the priests told me that god picked the pope. Surely it's not a
political thing.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
22 Oct 2003 02:59:56 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:30:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify. In practice only cardinals are considered.
But, but the priests told me that god picked the pope. Surely it's not a
political thing.
Absolutely not! One only has to look as the popes through history to
see the divine touch.
Thomas P.
"That there are manes, a subterranean kingdom, a ferryman with a long pole, and black frogs in the whirlpools
of the Styx; that so many thousand men could cross the waves in a single boat, today even children refuse to believe."
Juvenal
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
23 Oct 2003 10:01:04 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:59:56 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,>, Message ID:
<25ecpvgsbugqfs0vttq8gc43oaitl1sdje@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:30:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify. In practice only cardinals are considered.
But, but the priests told me that god picked the pope. Surely it's not a
political thing.
Absolutely not! One only has to look as the popes through history to
see the divine touch.
Of totalitarian incompetence and greed.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
23 Oct 2003 10:00:26 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:30:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>,
Message ID: <bkjlb.9900$Ec1.895323@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
"Thomas P." <tonyofremovethisbexar@yahoo.dk,> wrote in message
news:bnuapv0atnouikj2044jgm84np0h155eko@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:23:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Jim Hutton wrote:
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in
his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
There were long stretches of history where popes were not in holy orders
until they were elected. It wasn't until the 13th century, I believe,
that
popes had to first be cardinals.
Even now it is not a formal requirement. Any baptized male Christian
would qualify. In practice only cardinals are considered.
But, but the priests told me that god picked the pope. Surely it's not a
political thing.
There's a reason Cardinals wear red. It's so you can't see the
bloodstains.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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| Title: Re: .Which popes were laymen and not priests? |
21 Oct 2003 09:55:51 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 1:04:21 +1100, Jim Hutton wrote
(in message <bn3ecj$7mp$1@nntp.msstate.edu>):
In particular, which pope was the one that died a very young man (in his
20's?) when he was in bed?
I hear he died from a stroke......(pun intended!)
Guessing a bit, but this one seems to be it:
His Holiness Pope Benedict IX, 'elected' (by coin, I gather)
October 1032, aged 11, abdicated on May Day 1045.
[according to Peter de Rosa's _Vicars of Christ: the dark side of
the papacy, but I have my doubts about the book's reliability]
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02429a.htm
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_benedictix.h
tm
http://texan56.www1.50megs.com/POPE.html
Have Fun
Martin
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aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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