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From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud
Now They Tell Us?
--Not that we didn't already know what an incompetent moron Bush really is!
Dan Froomkin, The Washington Post, September 13, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html
Amid a slew of stories this weekend about the embattled presidency and
the blundering government response to the drowning of New Orleans, some
journalists who are long-time observers of the White House are suddenly
sharing scathing observations about President Bush that may be new to
many of their readers.
Is Bush the commanding, decisive, jovial president you've been hearing
about for years in so much of the mainstream press?
Maybe not so much.
Judging from the blistering analyses in Time, Newsweek, and elsewhere
these past few days, it turns out that Bush is in fact fidgety, cold and
snappish in private. He yells at those who dare give him bad news and is
therefore not surprisingly surrounded by an echo chamber of terrified
sycophants. He is slow to comprehend concepts that don't emerge from his
gut. He is uncomprehending of the speeches that he is given to read. And
oh yes, one of his most significant legacies -- the immense post-Sept.
11 reorganization of the federal government which created the Homeland
Security Department -- has failed a big test.
Maybe it's Bush's sinking poll numbers -- he is, after all, undeniably
an unpopular president now. Maybe it's the way that the federal response
to the flood has cut so deeply against Bush's most compelling claim to
greatness: His resoluteness when it comes to protecting Americans.
But for whatever reason, critical observations and insights that for so
long have been zealously guarded by mainstream journalists, and only
doled out in teaspoons if at all, now seem to be flooding into the
public sphere.
An emperor-has-no-clothes moment seems upon us.
*Read All About It
The two seminal reads are from Newsweek and Time.
Evan Thomas's story in Newsweek is headlined: "How Bush Blew It."
"It's a standing joke among the president's top aides: who gets to
deliver the bad news? Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and
snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure
of the president of the United States," Thomas writes.
In this sort of environment, Bush apparently didn't fathom the extent of
the catastrophe in the Gulf Coast for more than three days after the
levees of New Orleans were breached.
"The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it
might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday
night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and
thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of
New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush
could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the
next morning on Air Force One.
"How this could be -- how the president of the United States could have
even less 'situational awareness,' as they say in the military, than the
average American about the worst natural disaster in a century -- is one
of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite
moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national
disgrace."
Among Thomas's disclosures: "Bush can be petulant about dissent; he
equates disagreement with disloyalty. After five years in office, he is
surrounded largely by people who agree with him. . . .
"Late last week, Bush was, by some accounts, down and angry. But another
Bush aide described the atmosphere inside the White House as 'strangely
surreal and almost detached.' At one meeting described by this insider,
officials were oddly self-congratulatory, perhaps in an effort to buck
each other up. Life inside a bunker can be strange, especially in defeat."
Mike Allen writes in Time: "Longtime Bush watchers say they are not
shocked that he missed his moment -- one of his most trusted confidants
calls him 'a better third- and fourth-quarter player,' who focuses and
delivers when he sees the stakes. What surprised them was that he still
appeared to be stutter-stepping in the second week of the crisis,
struggling to make up for past lapses instead of taking control with a
grand gesture. Just as Katrina exposed the lurking problems of race and
poverty, it also revealed the limitations of Bush's rigid, top-down
approach to the presidency. . . .
"Bush's bubble has grown more hermetic in the second term, they say,
with fewer people willing or able to bring him bad news -- or tell him
when he's wrong. Bush has never been adroit about this. A youngish aide
who is a Bush favorite described the perils of correcting the boss. 'The
first time I told him he was wrong, he started yelling at me,' the aide
recalled about a session during the first term. 'Then I showed him where
he was wrong, and he said, "All right. I understand. Good job." He
patted me on the shoulder. I went and had dry heaves in the bathroom.' . . .
"The result is a kind of echo chamber in which good news can prevail
over bad -- even when there is a surfeit of evidence to the contrary.
For example, a source tells Time that four days after Katrina struck,
Bush himself briefed his father and former President Clinton in a way
that left too rosy an impression of the progress made. 'It bore no
resemblance to what was actually happening,' said someone familiar with
the presentation."
Allen has an exclusive look at the administration's "three-part comeback
plan."
Part one: "Spend freely, and worry about the tab and the consequences
later."
Part two: "Don't look back."
Part three: "Develop a new set of goals to announce after Katrina fades.
Advisers are proceeding with plans to gin up base-conservative voters
for next year's congressional midterm elections with a platform that
probably will be focused around tax reform."
Allen also has this tidbit: "And as if the West Wing were suddenly
snakebit, his franchise player, senior adviser and deputy chief of
staff, Karl Rove, was on the disabled list for part of last week,
working from home after being briefly hospitalized with painful kidney
stones."
And remember the storyline of the CEO president who cut red tape and
streamlined government?
John Dickerson writes in Slate how the much-celebrated creation of the
Homeland Security Department, the embodiment of Bush's management style,
is suddenly an epic tale of failure.
"They built an enormous agency from scratch, vowing to create the kind
of shiny, swiftly clicking apparatus they envisioned for the government
as a whole. Judging by the DHS response to Katrina, we can breathe a
sigh of relief that they didn't expand their bureaucracy vendetta further."
Dickerson describes an interview in which White House Chief of Staff
Andrew Card, who masterminded the reorganization, "described the process
of creation with delight: He leaned off the sofa and grinned as he
spoke, giddy at having been able to pedal so quickly past the usual
government roadblocks. The defenders of the bureaucracy were so
virulent, he had to put together a small team and they took their
blueprints and drafting tools into the secure bunker underneath the
White House."
Dickerson concludes: "We now know the solution has failed. In the coming
months we'll have a chance to learn just how, and in how many different
ways, that bureaucracy-free, executive-authority-channeling machine
sprang its wires, and whether the architects share the blame with the
operators."
*Poll Watch
Howard Fineman writes for Newsweek: "Katrina's winds have unspun the
spin of the Bush machine, particularly the crucial idea that he is a
commanding commander in chief. In the Newsweek Poll, only 17 percent of
Americans say that he deserves the most blame for the botched early
response to Katrina. But, for the first time, less than a majority -- 49
percent -- say he has 'strong leadership qualities,' down from 63
percent last year. That weakness, in turn, dragged down his job-approval
rating -- now at 38 percent, his lowest ever -- as well as voters' sense
of where the country is headed. By a 66-28 margin, they say they are
'dissatisfied,' by far the gloomiest view in the Bush years, and among
the worst in recent decades."
Marcus Mabry has more from the Newsweek poll. "[M]ost Americans, 52
percent, say they do not trust the president 'to make the right
decisions during a domestic crisis' (45 percent do). The numbers are
exactly the same when the subject is trust of the president to make the
right decisions during an international crisis. . . .
"The president and the GOP's greatest hope may be, ironically, how
deeply divided the nation remains, even after national tragedy. The
president's Republican base, in particular, remains extremely loyal. For
instance, 53 percent of Democrats say the federal government did a poor
job in getting help to people in New Orleans after Katrina. But just 19
percent of Republicans feel that way. In fact, almost half of
Republicans (48 percent) either believes the federal government did a
good job (37 percent) or an excellent job (11 percent) helping those
stuck in New Orleans."
A new Time poll finds Bush at an all time low 42 percent approval
rating, with 52 percent disapproving.
Time's poll is the second one recently to chart a significant drop in
presidential approval among Republicans.
Accord to Time, since January, Republican approval has dropped from 91
percent to 81 percent; Democratic approval from 25 to 13; and indpendent
approval from 46 to 36.
And 61 percent of those polled favor paying for hurricane relief by
cutting back spending in Iraq.
*The Breakdown
Anna Mulrine writes in U.S. News: "Who screwed up?
"The president's spinners dubbed it the blame game, but given the loss
of life, the staggering incompetence at nearly every level of
government, and the increasingly dire economic implications for the
nation, much more than the usual political one-upmanship is in the offing."
Susan B. Glasser and Michael Grunwald write in The Washington Post: "As
the floodwaters recede and the dead are counted, what went wrong during
a terrible week that would render a modern American metropolis of nearly
half a million people uninhabitable and set off the largest exodus of
people since the Civil War, is starting to become clear. Federal, state
and local officials failed to heed forecasts of disaster from hurricane
experts. Evacuation plans, never practical, were scrapped entirely for
New Orleans's poorest and least able. And once floodwaters rose, as had
been long predicted, the rescue teams, medical personnel and emergency
power necessary to fight back were nowhere to be found."
Eric Lipton, Christopher Drew, Scott Shane and David Rohde all write in
the New York Times that " an initial examination of Hurricane Katrina's
aftermath demonstrates the extent to which the federal government failed
to fulfill the pledge it made after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to face
domestic threats as a unified, seamless force.
"Instead, the crisis in New Orleans deepened because of a virtual
standoff between hesitant federal officials and besieged authorities in
Louisiana, interviews with dozens of officials show. . . .
"Richard A. Falkenrath, a former homeland security adviser in the Bush
White House, said the chief federal failure was not anticipating that
the city and state would be so compromised. He said the response exposed
'false advertising' about how the government has been transformed four
years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."
The Los Angeles Times reports: "Ultimately, the National Response Plan
says the president is in charge during a national emergency, but it
leaves it up to the White House to decide how to fulfill that duty. 'The
president leads the nation in responding effectively and ensuring the
necessary resources are applied quickly and efficiently,' the plan says."
And here's a telling anecdote from the LA Times: "On Friday, Sept. 2,
four days after the storm, Bush headed for the disaster area on a
presidential trip designed to show leadership and concern.
"At a meeting that morning, one aide said, the president expressed anger
about the convention center. Say that in public, one aide reportedly
urged. So Bush went out to the Rose Garden and grimly acknowledged for
the first time that all was not well. 'The results are not acceptable,'
he said.
"But the president appeared uncomfortable even with that much
self-criticism. A few hours later, in Biloxi, he softened the message. . . .
" 'I am satisfied with the [federal] response,' Bush said. 'I'm not
satisfied with all the results. . . . I'm certainly not denigrating the
efforts of anybody. But the results can be better.'
"And Bush, who instinctively defends any aide who has been criticized in
the media, made a point of praising FEMA chief Brown.
" 'Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job,' he said."
Time magazine concludes: "Leaders were afraid to actually lead,
reluctant to cost businesses money, break jurisdictional rules or spawn
lawsuits. They were afraid, in other words, of ending up in an article
just like this one."
*Advancing Republican Goals
Edmund L. Andrews writes in the New York Times: "Republican leaders in
Congress and some White House officials see opportunities in Hurricane
Katrina to advance longstanding conservative goals like giving students
vouchers to pay for private schools, paying churches to help with
temporary housing and scaling back business regulation."
Jonathan Weisman and Amy Goldstein write in The Washington Post: "After
the political tidal wave of 1994 swept conservatives into control of
Congress, Republicans doggedly tried -- and repeatedly failed -- to
repeal a Depression-era law that requires federal contractors to pay
workers the prevailing wages in their communities. Eleven days after the
deluge of Hurricane Katrina, President Bush banished the requirement, at
least temporarily, with the stroke of his pen. . . .
"In another gain for the administration, a $51.8 billion relief bill
that Congress passed on Thursday included a significant change to
federal contracting regulations. Holders of government-issued credit
cards will be allowed to spend up to $250,000 on Katrina-related
contracts and purchases, without requiring them to seek competitive bids
or to patronize small businesses or companies owned by minorities and
women. Before Thursday, only purchases of up to $2,500 in normal
circumstances or $15,000 in emergencies were exempt."
*The Spoils of Disaster
Yochi J. Dreazen writes in the Wall Street Journal: "The Bush
administration is importing many of the contracting practices blamed for
spending abuses in Iraq as it begins the largest and costliest
rebuilding effort in U.S. history.
"The first large-scale contracts related to Hurricane Katrina, as in
Iraq, were awarded without competitive bidding, and using so-called
cost-plus provisions that guarantee contractors a certain profit
regardless of how much they spend."
Reuters reports: "Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the
former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first
disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of
Hurricane Katrina.
"At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh,
President George W. Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of
the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to
start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast."
*Bush's Trip
Bush is wrapping up a two-day "fact finding" trip to the Gulf Coast
today. I'll have more about it tomorrow.
The big question: Will Bush risk an encounter with any angry storm victims?
As Elisabeth Bumiller writes in the New York Times: "One prominent
African-American supporter of Mr. Bush who is close to Karl Rove, the
White House political chief, said the president did not go into the
heart of New Orleans and meet with black victims on his first trip
there, last Friday, because he knew that White House officials were
'scared to death' of the reaction.
" 'If I'm Karl, do I want the visual of black people hollering at the
president as if we're living in Rwanda?' said the supporter, who spoke
only anonymously because he did not want to antagonize Mr. Rove."
One quick note from pool reporter Mark Silva of the Chicago Tribune:
While Bush spent last night aboard the USS Iwo Jima, "poolers were
assigned to bunks aboard luxury Prevost touring buses. Men in one, women
in another. The men's bus is fresh off The Anger Management Tour, which
had featured Fifty Cent and Eminem."
*Brownie Watch
David E. Sanger writes in the New York Times about just how it happened
that White House spokesman Scott McClellan was still praising the work
of Michael D. Brown, the head of the Federal Emergency Management
Agency, hours after Brown's removal from day-to-day management of the
hurricane was pretty much a done deal.
Sanger writes that "how the White House moved, in a matter of days, from
the president's praise of a man he nicknamed 'Brownie' to a rare public
reassignment explains much about fears within the administration that
its delayed response to the disaster could do lasting damage to both Mr.
Bush's power and his legacy. But more important to some members of the
administration, it dented the administration's aura of competence. . . .
"Mr. Bush, his aides acknowledge, is loath to fire members of his
administration or to take public actions that are tantamount to an
admission of a major mistake. But the hurricane was different, they say:
the delayed response was playing out every day on television, and Mr.
Brown, fairly or unfairly, seemed unaware of crucial events,
particularly the scenes of chaos and death in the New Orleans convention
center."
*Race and Poverty
Michael A. Fletcher writes in The Washington Post: "Hurricane Katrina
has thrust the twin issues of race and poverty at President Bush, who
faces steep challenges in dealing with both because of a domestic agenda
that envisions deep cuts in long-standing anti-poverty programs and
relationships with many black leaders frayed by years of mutual suspicion."
Bumiller writes in the New York Times: "From the political perspective
of the White House, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than an enormous
swath of the Gulf Coast. The storm also appears to have damaged the
carefully laid plans of Karl Rove, President Bush's political adviser,
to make inroads among black voters and expand the reach of the
Republican Party for decades to come. . . .
"But behind the scenes in the West Wing, there has been anxiety and
scrambling -- after an initial misunderstanding, some of the president's
advocates say, of the racial dimension to the crisis."
*What the President Meant to Say
At another contentious briefing on Friday, McClellan addressed Bush's
infamous declaration on a live television interview Thursday that "I
don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
"What the President was referring to is that you had Hurricane Katrina
hit, and then it passed New Orleans. And if you'll remember, all the
media reports, or a number of media reports at that time, that Monday --
even all the way to the Tuesday papers, were talking to people and
saying that New Orleans had dodged a bullet. So I think that's what the
President is referring to, is that people weren't anticipating those
levees, after the hurricane had passed New Orleans, breaching. Many
people weren't. And you can go back and look at the news coverage at
that time."
*Internet Humor
Robin Abcarian writes in the Los Angeles Times: "In the picture ,
residents of New Orleans make their way through waist-deep water as
President Bush stands next to his father, grinning and displaying a
striped bass that he's just caught. 'Bush's vacation' is the caption of
the photographic gag that has made its way around the Internet this week.
"In another doctored photo , the president strums a guitar and appears
to be serenading a weeping African American woman holding a baby in
front of the Louisiana Superdome.
"Perverse though it might seem, the juxtaposition of Hurricane Katrina's
human costs with the perceived sluggishness of the federal government's
response has proved to be a boon for political humorists -- particularly
those operating in cyberspace, where dissemination is instantaneous."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	15 Sep 2005 05:00:38 AM

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The thing to do is make sure, if he's impeached or voted out of office, is
not to let the Republicans have any time to shred ANYTHING.
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User: "Witziges R�tsel"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	15 Sep 2005 12:04:30 PM

"The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it
might displease the president,

All this is probable, but it doesn't count if they don't come
forward. It's just gossip or hearsay. Where's the evidence?
Blowing a whistle means nothing if you don't take the risk.
Memos? Tapes? Pictures? Even signed affidavits?
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	14 Sep 2005 10:26:39 PM

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

--Not that we didn't already know what an incompetent moron Bush really is!

Dan Froomkin, The Washington Post, September 13, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI200504110087
9.html

<snip excellent article>
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "stoney"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	18 Sep 2005 04:44:26 PM

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "Michelle Malkin"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	19 Sep 2005 01:08:52 AM

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	19 Sep 2005 02:24:37 AM

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!

They've been trying that for the past five years. Haven't been able to
make anything stick yet, and they lose credibility every time. And
Katrina isn't going to do it either.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	20 Sep 2005 05:56:57 AM

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "magilla"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	24 Sep 2005 01:23:08 AM

johac wrote:

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire

I would point out that there have been a few press people who have been
unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen Dowd comes to
mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.
I am sure there are others. Now don't get me wrong- we need a
resurgence of people with the courage to call these idiots on their
blunders. I think they look at what happened to Dan Rather, who was
pilloried mercilessly by the smear machine, and think twice about it. I
would sure have the willies.
Chris
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	24 Sep 2005 01:40:44 AM

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
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johac wrote:

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch
is weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire

I would point out that there have been a few press people who have
been unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen Dowd comes
to mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.

All of whom are ridiculous parodies of themselves.

I am sure there are others. Now don't get me wrong- we need a
resurgence of people with the courage to call these idiots on their
blunders. I think they look at what happened to Dan Rather, who was
pilloried mercilessly by the smear machine, and think twice about it.
I would sure have the willies.

Rather was pilloried all right, by the *facts*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.

User: "magilla"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	25 Sep 2005 03:33:04 AM

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127524987.977832.323860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

johac wrote:

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch
is weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they could
make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US Press.
Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire

I would point out that there have been a few press people who have
been unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen Dowd comes
to mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.

All of whom are ridiculous parodies of themselves.

Krugman is a Princeton University Prof. of Economics, Fred. His
opinions carry serious weight in the economic community. Your ignorance
and bias are popping through. Dowd is a well-respected journalist,
respected even by republicans. Her topics are always insightful, her
barbs sometime mistaken or misplaced but always well-aimed, but most
often accurate and to the point. Who would you offer in her place- Ann
Coulter? She's a raving lunatic who suggested the NY Times should have
been blown up in place of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Rather was pilloried all right, by the *facts*.

Rather was pilloried by the same smear machine that spawned the
abortion called Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth. I would well believe
(I admit a lack of evidence, which should never bother a Republican)
the docs were planted, but one thing I never saw addressed was whether
the documents, although fabricated, told the truth about Bush. They
did, as a matter of fact. He's a ne'er do well son of an oil
baron/defense scumbag who bought his way into the Presidency.
Chris

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	25 Sep 2005 12:11:24 PM

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127619184.556189.318890@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127524987.977832.323860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

johac wrote:

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew:
Putsch is weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they
could make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US
Press. Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire

I would point out that there have been a few press people who have
been unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen Dowd
comes to mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.

All of whom are ridiculous parodies of themselves.

Krugman is a Princeton University Prof. of Economics, Fred. His
opinions carry serious weight in the economic community.

He's a biased political hack who lets his partisanism override his
scholarship. His opinions have been refuted so often there's a whole
group of commentators called the "Krugman Truth Squad".

Your
ignorance and bias are popping through. Dowd is a well-respected
journalist, respected even by republicans.

She's another political hack with more venom than sense.

Her topics are always
insightful, her barbs sometime mistaken or misplaced but always
well-aimed, but most often accurate and to the point.

She knows how to play moonbats, that's about all she's worth.

Who would you
offer in her place- Ann Coulter? She's a raving lunatic who suggested
the NY Times should have been blown up in place of the Oklahoma City
bombing.

I'm not particularly fond of Coulter either, though she at least has the
merit of pissing off moonbats like you.

Rather was pilloried all right, by the *facts*.

Rather was pilloried by the same smear machine that spawned the
abortion called Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth. I would well
believe (I admit a lack of evidence, which should never bother a
Republican) the docs were planted, but one thing I never saw addressed
was whether the documents, although fabricated, told the truth about
Bush. They did, as a matter of fact.

"Fake but accurate". *****.
The content of them has been refuted. Deal with it.

He's a ne'er do well son of an
oil baron/defense scumbag who bought his way into the Presidency.

And with that you blow what little credibility you might have had.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.

User: "magilla"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	25 Sep 2005 07:13:30 PM

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127619184.556189.318890@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127524987.977832.323860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

johac wrote:

In article <WOGdncYEk7o_krPeRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com>
wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew:
Putsch is weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

If the Press has finally founds it's long lost courage, they
could make Shrub's last three years absolute hell. C'mon US
Press. Do your thing!

It would be about time!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities"
-Voltaire

I would point out that there have been a few press people who have
been unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen Dowd
comes to mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.

All of whom are ridiculous parodies of themselves.

Krugman is a Princeton University Prof. of Economics, Fred. His
opinions carry serious weight in the economic community.

He's a biased political hack who lets his partisanism override his
scholarship. His opinions have been refuted so often there's a whole
group of commentators called the "Krugman Truth Squad".

Ah, paragons of truth and virtue, eh Fred? Like that honest stalward
fellow Charles Colson. They're smear squads, pure and simple.

Your
ignorance and bias are popping through. Dowd is a well-respected
journalist, respected even by republicans.

She's another political hack with more venom than sense.

blahblahblah. You're lines are wearing way too thin, Fred.

Her topics are always
insightful, her barbs sometime mistaken or misplaced but always
well-aimed, but most often accurate and to the point.

She knows how to play moonbats, that's about all she's worth.

moonbat? And you're what, a bat out in the sunshine? They usually have
rabies Fred. Guess that fits.

Who would you
offer in her place- Ann Coulter? She's a raving lunatic who suggested
the NY Times should have been blown up in place of the Oklahoma City
bombing.

I'm not particularly fond of Coulter either, though she at least has the
merit of pissing off moonbats like you.

All liars ***** me off, and she's really good at it.

Rather was pilloried all right, by the *facts*.

Rather was pilloried by the same smear machine that spawned the
abortion called Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth. I would well
believe (I admit a lack of evidence, which should never bother a
Republican) the docs were planted, but one thing I never saw addressed
was whether the documents, although fabricated, told the truth about
Bush. They did, as a matter of fact.

"Fake but accurate". *****.
The content of them has been refuted. Deal with it.

Only to the mindlessly faithful. Guess that's where you fall in.

He's a ne'er do well son of an
oil baron/defense scumbag who bought his way into the Presidency.

And with that you blow what little credibility you might have had.

LOL. What is he then? Successful buisnessman? His crowning achievement
as owner of a baseball team was to trade away the guy who turned into a
home run king. Successful politician? He wrecked Texas' educational
system and lied through his teeth about it, faking test scores and
dropout rates. He's a stupid, stubborn, mean-spirited dry drunk hack
who would be on skid row or dead of a heroin OD in Cambodia ca 1972 if
daddy hadn't been someone with massive pull.
Deal with it.
Chris

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	25 Sep 2005 08:23:49 PM

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127675610.826101.267260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127619184.556189.318890@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"magilla" <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1127524987.977832.323860@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

<...>

I would point out that there have been a few press people who
have been unrelenting in their treatment of Bush & Co...Maureen
Dowd comes to mind, along with Paul Krugman and Al Franken.

All of whom are ridiculous parodies of themselves.

Krugman is a Princeton University Prof. of Economics, Fred. His
opinions carry serious weight in the economic community.

He's a biased political hack who lets his partisanism override his
scholarship. His opinions have been refuted so often there's a whole
group of commentators called the "Krugman Truth Squad".

Ah, paragons of truth and virtue, eh Fred? Like that honest stalward
fellow Charles Colson. They're smear squads, pure and simple.

Yeah, they smear him by publishing the facts about his egregiously
slanted or completely unfounded assertions.

Your
ignorance and bias are popping through. Dowd is a well-respected
journalist, respected even by republicans.

She's another political hack with more venom than sense.

blahblahblah. You're lines are wearing way too thin, Fred.

See this mirror?

Her topics are always
insightful, her barbs sometime mistaken or misplaced but always
well-aimed, but most often accurate and to the point.

She knows how to play moonbats, that's about all she's worth.

moonbat? And you're what, a bat out in the sunshine? They usually have
rabies Fred. Guess that fits.

Oh, isn't that special? Guess I hit a nerve, eh?

Who would you
offer in her place- Ann Coulter? She's a raving lunatic who
suggested the NY Times should have been blown up in place of the
Oklahoma City bombing.

I'm not particularly fond of Coulter either, though she at least has
the merit of pissing off moonbats like you.

All liars ***** me off, and she's really good at it.

I've noticed that you moonbats get really pissed when people expose your
lies.

I am sure there are others. Now don't get me wrong- we need a
resurgence of people with the courage to call these idiots on
their blunders. I think they look at what happened to Dan
Rather, who was pilloried mercilessly by the smear machine, and
think twice about it. I would sure have the willies.

Rather was pilloried all right, by the *facts*.

Rather was pilloried by the same smear machine that spawned the
abortion called Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth. I would well
believe (I admit a lack of evidence, which should never bother a
Republican) the docs were planted, but one thing I never saw
addressed was whether the documents, although fabricated, told the
truth about Bush. They did, as a matter of fact.

"Fake but accurate". *****.
The content of them has been refuted. Deal with it.

Only to the mindlessly faithful. Guess that's where you fall in.

Nope, it's only the mindless hordes that believe that a phony memo could
be accurate about anything.

He's a ne'er do well son of an
oil baron/defense scumbag who bought his way into the Presidency.

And with that you blow what little credibility you might have had.

LOL. What is he then? Successful buisnessman? His crowning achievement
as owner of a baseball team was to trade away the guy who turned into
a home run king. Successful politician? He wrecked Texas' educational
system and lied through his teeth about it, faking test scores and
dropout rates. He's a stupid, stubborn, mean-spirited dry drunk hack
who would be on skid row or dead of a heroin OD in Cambodia ca 1972 if
daddy hadn't been someone with massive pull.

Deal with it.

Your false dichotomies and stupid assertions do nothing to advance your
own credibility.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	19 Sep 2005 05:44:53 AM

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	19 Sep 2005 11:59:44 PM

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:44:53 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

Must have been before my time.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	20 Sep 2005 05:44:50 AM

In article <p6kui15vshiacsu4pc7i9gebhmeue8f721@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:44:53 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

Must have been before my time.

Edgar R. Murrow, Conkite, and a few others were good. At some point it
was decided that news should become entertainment and now we have the
new crop.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	21 Sep 2005 10:55:22 PM

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:44:50 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:

In article <p6kui15vshiacsu4pc7i9gebhmeue8f721@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:44:53 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak,
cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

Must have been before my time.

Edgar R. Murrow, Conkite, and a few others were good. At some point it
was decided that news should become entertainment and now we have the
new crop.

aka 'wet overcooked noodles' and just as intelligent.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "Doc Smartass"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	19 Sep 2005 11:38:58 PM

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-5C0D08.22445318092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

They're just going back to their Yellow Journalism roots of the
1800's/early 1900's--only the "Yellow" is more about being cowards now.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
My president is incompetenter than your prime minister.
.

User: "Michelle Malkin"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	20 Sep 2005 01:32:39 AM

"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D6BE01871EAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-5C0D08.22445318092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Who kept the dogs in?

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

They're just going back to their Yellow Journalism roots of the
1800's/early 1900's--only the "Yellow" is more about being cowards now.

--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939

My president is incompetenter than your prime minister.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	20 Sep 2005 05:55:41 AM

In article <WI2dnb_VOsko-7LeRVn-rQ@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D6BE01871EAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-5C0D08.22445318092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Who kept the dogs in?

The problem is in recent years, the watchdogs have been acting more like
poodles than dobermans.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "stoney"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	21 Sep 2005 10:53:34 PM

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:55:41 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com>
wrote:

In article <WI2dnb_VOsko-7LeRVn-rQ@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
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In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Who kept the dogs in?

The problem is in recent years, the watchdogs have been acting more like
poodles than dobermans.

Doormats and toilet slaves.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	20 Sep 2005 05:50:22 AM

In article <Xns96D6BE01871EAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
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In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

They're just going back to their Yellow Journalism roots of the
1800's/early 1900's--only the "Yellow" is more about being cowards now.

The buildup to the Iraq invasion has it's parallel in William Randolph
Hearst's editorializing for the invasion of Cuba amd the Spanish
American war.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "Doc Smartass"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	21 Sep 2005 01:47:12 AM

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
414C44.22502219092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns96D6BE01871EAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-5C0D08.22445318092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

They're just going back to their Yellow Journalism roots of the
1800's/early 1900's--only the "Yellow" is more about being cowards now.

The buildup to the Iraq invasion has it's parallel in William Randolph
Hearst's editorializing for the invasion of Cuba amd the Spanish
American war.

Hmmm. So September 11th could be looked at as our U.S.S. Maine explosion (a
fire in a coal bunker apparently cooked off some ammo in the adjacent
magazine)--something siezed upon by opportunists to push for a war for the
wrong reasons.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
My president is incompetenter than your prime minister.
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	21 Sep 2005 05:20:50 AM

In article <Xns96D7D3B85B31askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in news:jhachm-
414C44.22502219092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <Xns96D6BE01871EAaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>,
Doc Smartass <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
news:jhachm-5C0D08.22445318092005@news.giganews.com:

In article <8a6ri1lu8dtj42qeeldh71on6jeukqbpe4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:39 -0700, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:

In article <FPydnZG-yN91cbXeRVn-pA@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Zepp <zepp@finestplanet.com>
Subject: #WH press finally notices what we already knew: Putsch is
weak, cold, and a fraud

Now They Tell Us?

Somebody finally woke up the watchdogs.

Too bad the Press willingly emasculated themselves.

Yeah. I must be getting old. I can even remember when they used to
actually report news. Not fluff and not spin.

They're just going back to their Yellow Journalism roots of the
1800's/early 1900's--only the "Yellow" is more about being cowards now.

The buildup to the Iraq invasion has it's parallel in William Randolph
Hearst's editorializing for the invasion of Cuba amd the Spanish
American war.

Now just a minute. I was referring to Iraq and not 9/11. The drumbeat
for war was going on long before the Maine incident.
For example:
http://www.humboldt.edu/~jcb10/spanwar.shtml
The Maine explosion was just the final excuse to invade Cuba. The 'War
on Terrer' and the Iraq war are two separate issues. Iraq had nothing to
do with 9/11.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: "Doc Smartass"
Title: Re: White House Press Finally Notices That Putsch is Weak, Cold & A Fraud	21 Sep 2005 10:14:51 PM

johac <jhachm@ixpres.remove.com> wrote in
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