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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: ""
Date: 22 May 2007 01:33:17 AM
Object: Who does know that !!
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
The Big Crunch theory proposes that the universe, that began expanding
with the Big Bang, will collapse in on itself with increasing speed.
According to the theory, this collapse of the universe will continue
until the universe has lost all its mass and turned into a single
point of infinite density.
As we have stated above, the creation of the universe began with a
huge explosion. From this point, the universe has been expanding ever
since. Scientists say that when the mass of the universe has reached a
sufficient level, this expansion will come to an end because of
gravity, causing the universe to collapse in on itself. 3
It is also believed that the contracting universe will end in a fierce
heat and contraction known as the "Big Crunch." This would lead to the
end of all forms of life as we know them. Renata Kallosh and Andrei
Linde, professors of physics from Stanford University, made the
following statements on the subject:
The universe may be doomed to collapse and disappear. Everything we
see now, and at a much larger distance that we cannot see, will
collapse into a point smaller than a proton. Locally, it will be the
same as if you were inside a black hole... We have found that some of
the best attempts to describe dark energy predict that it will
gradually become negative, which will cause the universe to become
unstable, then collapse... Physicists have known that dark energy
could become negative and the universe could collapse sometime in the
very distant future... but now we see that we might be, not in the
beginning, but in the middle of the life cycle of our universe. 4
This is how this scientific hypothesis of the Big Crunch is indicated
in the Qur'an:
That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book.
As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a
promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur'an, 21:104)
In another verse, this state of the heavens is described thus:
They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will
be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up
in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners
they ascribe! (Qur'an, 39:67)
According to the Big Crunch theory, the universe will begin to
collapse slowly and will then increasingly pick up speed. At the end
of the process the universe will have infinite density and be
infinitely hot and small. This scientific theory runs parallel to the
Qur'anic explanation of this particular scientific concept. (Allah
knows best)
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Who does know that !! 22 May 2007 03:15:42 AM
On 21 May 2007 23:33:17 -0700, "a.alshehri2005@gmail.com"
<a.alshehri2005@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1179815597.943677.326180@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>

THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH

:
You are doing more to turn folk off your cretinous brain-dead religion
than I could ever hope to do.
Do you realise that?
--
.
User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: Who does know that !! 22 May 2007 10:50:17 AM
On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:27:42 -0500, Michael Gray wrote
(in article <dj9553563upsu7cgh3e243vp2c4l3ept59@4ax.com>):

On 21 May 2007 23:33:17 -0700, "a.alshehri2005@gmail.com"
<a.alshehri2005@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1179815597.943677.326180@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>

THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH


You are doing more to turn folk off your cretinous brain-dead religion
than I could ever hope to do.
Do you realise that?

I bet dollars to Jesus crackers that he is not Muslim, more than likely he is
a Christian fundy trying to make the Muslims look bad, (OK, worse.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
CEO Black, Inc.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Who does know that !! 22 May 2007 05:16:27 PM
On Tue, 22 May 2007 10:50:17 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
- Refer: <0001HW.C2787B6900209834F0284530@news.central.cox.net>

On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:27:42 -0500, Michael Gray wrote
(in article <dj9553563upsu7cgh3e243vp2c4l3ept59@4ax.com>):

On 21 May 2007 23:33:17 -0700, "a.alshehri2005@gmail.com"
<a.alshehri2005@gmail.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1179815597.943677.326180@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>

THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH


You are doing more to turn folk off your cretinous brain-dead religion
than I could ever hope to do.
Do you realise that?


I bet dollars to Jesus crackers that he is not Muslim, more than likely he is
a Christian fundy trying to make the Muslims look bad, (OK, worse.)

Even Muslims have their village idiots.
I expect that "a.alshehri" is Arabic for "duke".
--
.



User: "Andy W"

Title: Re: Who does know that !! 22 May 2007 06:11:30 PM
On 22 May, 07:33, "a.alshehri2...@gmail.com"
<a.alshehri2...@gmail.com> wrote:

THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH

The Big Crunch theory proposes that the universe, that began expanding
with the Big Bang, will collapse in on itself with increasing speed.

While that is the theory, it is pretty much dead in the water, since
recent astronomical observations indicate that the expansion of the
universe is actually getting faster not slower, and so the Big Crunch
will never happen.

According to the theory, this collapse of the universe will continue
until the universe has lost all its mass and turned into a single
point of infinite density.

Utterly, uterly wrong. The universe does not lose mass in this
scenario, the mass just gets crushed together into a smaller and
smaller volume. And how do you think you will get a point of infinite
density with zero mass? Have you not studied any science at all?


As we have stated above, the creation of the universe began with a
huge explosion. From this point, the universe has been expanding ever
since. Scientists say that when the mass of the universe has reached a
sufficient level, this expansion will come to an end because of
gravity, causing the universe to collapse in on itself. 3

"Scientists" say this?? Which scientists? Got any names and citations?
That's what the numbers are for at the end of your paragraphs, isn't
it? Except when you cut and pasted the text you forgot to include that
part.
For your information, the mass of the universe is not changing. It was
thought that the gravitational attraction of the mass that is there
would be enough to slow down and eventually reverse the expansion of
the universe. Currently, it does not look like that will happen.


It is also believed that the contracting universe will end in a fierce
heat and contraction known as the "Big Crunch." This would lead to the
end of all forms of life as we know them. Renata Kallosh and Andrei
Linde, professors of physics from Stanford University, made the
following statements on the subject:

The universe may be doomed to collapse and disappear. Everything we
see now, and at a much larger distance that we cannot see, will
collapse into a point smaller than a proton. Locally, it will be the
same as if you were inside a black hole... We have found that some of
the best attempts to describe dark energy predict that it will
gradually become negative, which will cause the universe to become
unstable, then collapse... Physicists have known that dark energy
could become negative and the universe could collapse sometime in the
very distant future... but now we see that we might be, not in the
beginning, but in the middle of the life cycle of our universe. 4

That was in 2002. Five years later, we still know next to nothing
about dark energy.


This is how this scientific hypothesis of the Big Crunch is indicated
in the Qur'an:

That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book.
As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a
promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur'an, 21:104)

In another verse, this state of the heavens is described thus:

They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will
be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up
in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners
they ascribe! (Qur'an, 39:67)

According to the Big Crunch theory, the universe will begin to
collapse slowly and will then increasingly pick up speed. At the end
of the process the universe will have infinite density and be
infinitely hot and small. This scientific theory runs parallel to the
Qur'anic explanation of this particular scientific concept. (Allah
knows best)

You are really reaching to claim that this is an account of the Big
Crunch. Apart from anything else, the earth will be a scorched,
lifeless pebble long before any such event.
All you have really shown me here is that your religion has equipped
you with an insufficient substitute for real scientific knowledge.
It's not for me and it never will be.
Andy
.


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