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User: "Anonymous Sender"
Date: 18 Jun 2004 01:21:44 AM
Object: Who encourages suicide? Jabriol Chronicles!
One fine Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:15 PM [GMT+1=CET],
Prominent Bethelite <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
<mailto:Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header>> took keyboard in
hand and tapped out:
: The posts JW JABRIOL nuked .. and how to get Jabriol NUKED!
:
: Q1. Who is Jabriol, and where can I find his posts?
:
: A1. Antonio Santana, of Camden, NJ, one of Jehovah's Witnesses
and a
: regular contributor to Usenet via a large number of different
ISPs,
: mail2news servers and email accounts (which he sometimes uses
in
: misleading ways so as to make himself difficult to track
down). To
: find out about what he posts, you should click on:
:
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol&num=100>
:
: You might quickly conclude that Jabriol:
: * supports the act of rape, and believes the victim is often to
: blame - and that the rape victim should be explicitly told
this;
: * actively encourages depressed people to commit suicide - and
this
: has had the predictable effect - at least once;
: * supports violence by husbands against wives, who must show
total
: subjection;
: * derives great satisfaction from images of billions of
children
: and others being slaughtered by the leader of his JW Cult;
: * has beaten and driven away his own daughter, etc.
:
: Jabriol has been doing this for many, many years. Indeed,
there are
: so many posts by him that you will fall afoul of Google's
: limitation of search results to 1000 matches at most. To get
around
: this, surf to:
:
: <http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search>
:
: and then, in sequence:
: (a) in the box marked "Author Return only messages where the
: author is " enter Jabriol ; and
: (b) Click on "Return messages posted between " ; and
: (c) Enter a restricted date range of (say) 6 months (his first
post
: was in June 1996, and the volume of posts per month from him
has
: grown and grown); and
: (d) Set the dropdown list which defaults to "10 messages" to
"100
: messages"; and
: (e) Press the button marked "Google Search"; and
: (f) Systematically work your way through the lists of messages
you
: get - this may be many pages full of headers, at a hundred per
: page. Then loop back to the Search page and use a further date
: range.
:
:
:
:
: Q2. I have read what he has put out there, and I am horrified
and
: sickened. If all this is known, how come Jabriol has not been
: disfellowshipped (the kooky Watchtower word for
"excommunicated")
: from the Jehovah's Witnesses?
:
: A2. Firstly, JWs stick together. "The Brothers" routinely
shield
: wife-beaters, pedophiles and so on. Their official policy is to
: shield accused pedophiles from the law (they won't report them
to
: the cops unless absolutely legally compelled to do so, and will
: threaten family members with excommunication i.e. certain
death if
: they whistleblow, the charge being "bringing the name of
Jehovah
: into disrepute") UNLESS the pedo confesses OR there are two
: witnesses to the same occurrence (hey, how many pedos invite
: non-pedo onlookers??). So it is not surprising that the filthy,
: disgusting JW SWINE here in Usenet stick by Jabriol. For more
: evidence of how the Jehovah's Witnesses stick together,
: irrespective of right or wrong, please read A8 below.
: Also, Jabriol knows something those immediately above him do
not
: wish him to divulge.
:
:
:
:
: Q3. So, what did Jabriol nuke from the Google posting
archives??
:
: A3. You will have observed Jabriol posts quoting a huge number
of
: different email accounts. Many of these are fake ones (either
: non-existent, or belonging to someone else). One drawback of
this
: is that is hard (or impossible) to nuke material that has
: originated from an email account one does not control, as
: confirmation of identity must come from that email account.
:
: So, from time to time he uses real accounts. Two recent ones
have
: been:

<mailto:
> and
:
<mailto:
>
: Naturally, he reserved some of his most disgusting material for
: those posts he knew he could remove later on.
:
: And, after his despicable actions re Chris Dubose (the
suicide),
: these posts HAVE been nuked from the archives. For proof, check
: out these URLs:
:
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
>
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
>
:
: and you will see that no posts show up with author
:
<mailto:
> or
<mailto:
> !
:
: However, if we search for responses to these posts, we hit a
: bonanza:
:
:
<http://google.com/groups?as_epq=
&num=100>
:
<h
ttp://google.com/groups?as_epq=
&num=100>
:
: From the fragments you read, you can see these nuked posts were
: even worse than Jabriol's usual material....
:
: And the chosen address @truthspeaker.net is a further taunt to
: truthseeker.
:
:
:
:
: Q4. Could the nuked posts have been forgeries?
:
: A4. No. Using my contacts at echelon.net, I archived all of
them.
: Here are a few of the message-IDs:
:
: 1KNd7.167576$Cu6.13518296@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:1KNd7.167576$Cu6.13518296@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: BxBd7.164642$Cu6.13078813@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:BxBd7.164642$Cu6.13078813@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: cP%d7.171092$Cu6.14043731@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:cP%d7.171092$Cu6.14043731@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: DmEc7.205216$Gk.12836985@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:DmEc7.205216$Gk.12836985@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: FmEc7.205218$Gk.12837283@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:FmEc7.205218$Gk.12837283@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: fxBd7.164621$Cu6.13078587@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:fxBd7.164621$Cu6.13078587@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: hNhe7.7053$NK1.355766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:hNhe7.7053$NK1.355766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: LCAc7.200458$Gk.12684326@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:LCAc7.200458$Gk.12684326@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: LzRa7.122018$Gk.7795013@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:LzRa7.122018$Gk.7795013@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: pwNd7.167404$Cu6.13515354@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:pwNd7.167404$Cu6.13515354@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: QmEc7.205229$Gk.12836796@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:QmEc7.205229$Gk.12836796@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: RCAc7.200468$Gk.12684690@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:RCAc7.200468$Gk.12684690@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: roGe7.5418$Lw3.617172@news2.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:roGe7.5418$Lw3.617172@news2.aus1.giganews.com>
: sb8d7.151897$Cu6.12039483@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:sb8d7.151897$Cu6.12039483@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: TCAc7.200470$Gk.12684507@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:TCAc7.200470$Gk.12684507@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: WCAc7.200474$Gk.12684720@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:WCAc7.200474$Gk.12684720@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: YL%d7.171073$Cu6.14041827@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:YL%d7.171073$Cu6.14041827@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: [snip]
:
: A careful check of the headers show some of the messages
originated
: from Astra Labs Limited, whose services are often employed by
: Jabriol. Contrary to what the MIDs suggestion, they did not
: originate in Australia.
:
: Secondly, the language and message in them is vintage Jabriol
(just
: a bit more extreme).
:
: Thirdly, while many of those posts occurred in threads in which
: Jabriol was also participating with other email addresses (and
: which posts are not nuked), not once did he cry "forgery",
even in
: responses to persons who were themselves responding to
:
<mailto:
> and
<mailto:
> posts.
:
: Now, a year later or more, he is crying forgery - but that is
only
: because he realizes a dossier on him is being prepared for
: submission to: The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
: 25 Columbia Heights
: Brooklyn
: New York
: NY 11201-2483
: USA
:
:
:
:
: Q5. Who is - or rather, was - "Truthseeker"?
:
: A5. On June 1, 2000, Truthseeker (Chris Dubose in real life)
wrote
: in the ASP support depression mailing list:
:: I'm not sure why, but Sepideh seriously wants me to kill
myself,
:: and has not only told me to please kill myself, but has
blocked me
:: from her email, has put me on permanent ignore on her ICQ,
and has
:: killfiled me from newsgroups. And I don't even know exactly
why.
:: In other words, she's completely abandoned me like everybody
else
:: and wishes I would stop existing on the face of the earth.
:
: What a cry for help from this distressed person. "sepideh" is
: Sepideh Baghaii <
<mailto:
>>, a
girl he had become somewhat
: fixated upon over the internet, and onto whom he was projecting
: things of which she was innocent.
:
: Unfortunately for Truthseeker, Wicked JW Jabriol read his post.
: Jabriol, who patrols the mailing lists and bulletin boards as
he
: does Usenet, on the lookout for hurt people he can taught, or
weak
: and vulnerable people he can recruit into his Jehovah's
Witnesses
: Cult, almost immediately replied with:
:
:: Do not feel Bad, You see, her evolutionary instincts as
indicated
:: you as not a good canditate for the human species. If you
belive
:: in the theory of evolution, then you belive that your desire
to
:: kill yourself is purely normal.
:: The director of natural selection Mr. Chance may have directed
:: your innard to blow away yourself in some sort of violent act.
:: This is not your fault since human emotions and behaviour is
just
:: another mere Mechanism to enhace survival of the species. I
do not
:: seriously belive that anyone one wants you to kill yourself.
:: Howevewer Natural selection may want you to to do so for the
good
:: of humanity. I personaly do not subscribe to evolution as the
:: origin of man. And I do fight my self destructive ways..
However
:: if you do belive in evolution, and that man is here, but gone
:: tomorrow... then follow your instincts.. go in style, make the
:: headline, like those columbine high kids did. But if you
belive
:: you are much more than the product of two human to satify
nature
:: need to procreate. there is a better way..
:: Read the Bible. [WORDS BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS JABRIOL - NO
EDITING
:: AT ALL]
:
:
: A few months later, Chris Dubose - exactly followed JW
Jabriol's
: stated interpretation of what "Natural Selection" was directing
: Chris to do. Chris Dubose did blow himself away in style,
making
: the headlines. He decapitated himself under a train...
:
: Not content with this, Jabriol has since harangued the boy's
mother
: - even threatening her with legal action, though he later
retracted
: that, pretending he was only threatening others... unbelievable
: wickedness.
:
:
: Not content, Jabriol has actively and deliberately and DIRECTLY
: driven the poor girl Sepideh off from Usenet entirely (well, at
: least he did not try to kill her). Here is the record.
Sepideh, the
: girl who was closest by far to Chris Dubose, posted the
following
: to alt.support.depression:
: <http://google.com/groups?selm=9l9e9m%2425o%241%40news3.bu.edu>
: wherein she said:
: "It bothers me that there are all these [sp truthseeker]
posts. I
: hardly read anything here anymore, but I am sucked into the [sp
: truthseeker] posts. And all the crap about talking to him or
: blaming yourselves or others or everything.
: And here I am sitting and wondering... or coming across things
: Chris mailed me and wondering... and wondering...
: It is so hard. Do you understand that?"
:
: Another cry for help... Alas for Sepideh, JW Jabriol found her
post.
:
: Not content with having goaded her dear friend Chris to follow
the
: directives of Natural Selection (i.e. kill himself), JW Jabriol
: responded less than 2 days later to Sepideh with:
:
:
go
og
le
..com/groups?selm=2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814%40posting.google.com
: from which I quote:
:
:
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
----------- -
: From:
<mailto:
>
(Jabriol)
: Newsgroups:
: alt.support.depression,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.atheism
: Subject: Re: how strange [sp truthseeker]
: Date: 15 Aug 2001 09:31:20 -0700
: Organization: <http://groups.google.com/>
: Lines: 30
: Message-ID: <2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814@posting.google.com
<mailto:2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814@posting.google.com>>
: References:
<nD4d7.7009$AE4.860425346@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com
<mailto:nD4d7.7009$AE4.860425346@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>>
: <9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu <mailto:9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu>>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.42.234
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
: X-Trace: posting.google.com 997893080 32709 127.0.0.1 (15 Aug
2001
: 16:31:20 GMT)
: X-Complaints-To:
<mailto:groups-
abuse@google.com>
: NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2001 16:31:20 GMT
: Path:
: news.supernews.com!supernews.com!sn-xit-
07!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
: postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail
:
:
<mailto:
> wrote in message
<news:9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu>...
:: It bothers me that there are all these [sp truthseeker]
posts. I
:: hardly read anything here anymore, but I am sucked into the
[sp
:: truthseeker] posts. And all the crap about talking to him or
:: blaming yourselves or others or everything.
:
: Ahhh You are the Women. Don't worry Chris, killed himself
because I
: told him so.
: That is why he laid his head on amtrack rail, and got it
severed
: from
: his neck.. which rolled around for a few meters..
: at least that is what his mother says or implies.
:
:: And here I am sitting and wondering... or coming across things
:: Chris mailed me and wondering... and wondering...
:: It is so hard. Do you understand that?
:
: Of course, ask mrs Dubose... I always wonder if he laid face
down
: or face up.
: was his head sewed back to his neck.. etc.
: His mother doesnt say...
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
----------- -
:
:
: The post originated from Jabriol's Google account registered
at his
: regular
<mailto:
>
email account. It is absolutely not a
: forgery, as the Path: proves. The NNTP posting host is: Test
: Technologies (TESTTE), of 4 East Stowe Road, Suite 2, Marlton,
NJ
: 08053 - not far from Jabriol's Camden NJ base.
:
: The sheer evil of that post speaks for itself. "he laid his
head on
: amtrack rail, and got it severed from his neck.. which rolled
: around for a few meters .. I always wonder if he laid face
down or
: face up. was his head sewed back to his neck"... What a fine
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is Mr Antonio Santana! What a good Witness he
: gives for the Society! Truly, they are God's people. They let
him
: go on and on posting like this, with no sanction. Others, they
: excommunicate simply for embracing a loved one (who had been
: excommunicated and who was therefore to be shunned
absolutely)...
:
:
: Poor Sepideh saw Jabriol's hateful post within a short while,
and
: less than an hour and a half later she responded in:
: <http://google.com/groups?selm=9led7v%24h44%241%40news3.bu.edu>
:
: with the words:
: "Why do you care? Are you just trying to get off on this?"
:
: AND THAT WAS SEPIDEH'S LAST EVER POST ON USENET (August 15,
2001),
: AT LEAST WITH ANY RECOGNIZABLE ID. Here is proof it was her
last
: one: <http://google.com/groups?q=author:sepideh%40bu.edu>
:
: What a good fine theocratic record for JW Jabriol:
:
: Boy: TAUNTED - NOW DEAD
: Mother: GRIEF-STRICKEN - AND THREATENED WITH LAWSUIT
: Girl: TAUNTED - AND DRIVEN OFF USENET
:
: This isn't the first time JW Jabriol has perpetrated such
: atrocities - but his fellow-JWs rush to protect him. Indeed,
when I
: first exposed and condemned JW Jabriol's taunting of rape
victims
: in their support NG, two of his filthy spiritual JW Brothers
rushed
: to his aid and abused and attacked me viciously for my
exposure of
: their fellow-JW.... THIS WAS YEARS BEFORE JABRIOL'S "GUIDANCE"
: HELPED CHRIS DUBOSE TO HIS FATE.
: The two spiritual-criminals who supported Jabriol and
encouraged
: him to further acts of malicious hatred against those in the
: support newsgroups (it is no step at all from the rape support
to
: the depression support NG) were:
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS "Richmac" <richmac@erols.com
<mailto:richmac@erols.com>>
: <richmac2@home_nospam.com <mailto:richmac2@home_nospam.com>>
and
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS "Dave Worthey" <davers_dfd@netzero.net
<mailto:davers_dfd@netzero.net>>
:
: The former, Richmac, is a particularly despicable and odious
little
: coward, whom I have caught in DIRECT LYING - and who has now
fled
: from the Usenet in Spring 2002.
: The latter is a stupid drunken sot who is desparate to be
: reinstated as a JW (he was excommunicated for having a tipple)
and
: believes his droppings here will assist him and win favors.
:
: RICHMAC and DAVE WORTHEY are BLOODGUILTY, by the teachings of
the
: Watchtower itself. They could have helped stop their brother
JW.
: Instead, these spiritual-rapists ENCOURAGED him. And we have
now
: seen the result.
:
:
:
:
: Q6. This is incredible! Don't these Jehovah's Witnesses have a
: conscience?
:
: A6. In accordance with the teachings of the Watchtower Cult to
which
: Jabriol belongs, all non-JWs (excluding some dependant minor
: childen of JW parents) are scheduled to be slaughtered very
soon
: (tomorrow is quite likely) by the murderous leader of the
Jehovah's
: Witnesses. All such are of the "Walking Dead Class" and the
"Bird
: Seed Class" (as the 6 billion plus corpses will be disposed
off by
: the birds), and their destruction is to be viewed as a joyful
event
: by the JWs (JWs are trained not to feel any misgivings about
this
: Mother Of All Genocides - if they feel any remorse, they too
will
: be destroyed).
: Sepideh, Chris Dubose and his mother were thus wholly
worthless to
: Jabriol unless he could convert them. One doesn't have a
conscience
: when dealing with ants (official Watchtower term to refer to
those
: who do not submit themselves to Jehovah-of-the-Watchtower) who
are
: scheduled for squashing by God in "army boots" (Watchtower
teaching
: - promise - follow the links in my URL!).
: So conscience does not even come into it!
:
:
:
:
: Q7. But surely Jabriol is not typical of the Jehovah's
Witnesses??
:
: A7. He is but a somewhat extreme example. But I know many who
are
: far worse than he is.
: If you genuinely believe you are one of a miniscule number who
has
: an all-powerful truth which makes you immortal (the JW Pill),
and
: everyone else is very inferior and contemptibly stupid (for not
: becoming an unpaid bookselling slave for the rich men in
Brooklyn!)
: and will soon be brutally killed (no quick death, either - eyes
: popping out of eyeballs, skin peeling off with flesh-eating
: plagues, violent crimes, etc.), mental illness of a very
profound
: nature swiftly develops.
: Half of the JW elders are as bad as Jabriol, or worse. Jabriol
just
: makes his feelings more openly obvious - so one should commend
his
: honesty!
:
:
:
:
:
: Q8. I want to do something to stop this.
:
: A8. Unfortunately, we do not live in a theocratic soceity, and
: regrettably are limited by the secular laws of the land.
[Parody of
: Watchtower teaching from the 1950s explaining why JWs should
not
: just go out and kill "apostates" by stoning them to death -
real
: reason, the Watchtower did not want the lawsuits].
:
: The Watchtower Cult is all about making money (which they hide
in
: property etc.).
:
: I deduce that Jabriol's work on Usenet has cost the Watchtower
: thousands of recruits in the US and Europe (where the web is
: densest), and therefore millions of dollars of future revenue.
:
: Here it is again:
: The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
: 25 Columbia Heights
: Brooklyn
: New York
: NY 11201-2483
: USA
:
<mailto:
>
:
<mailto:
>
:
<mailto:
>
:
:
: You know what needs to be done. YES, I MEAN YOU.
:
: Hint: You will achieve your result more easily if you omit your
: real views about the Watchtower Cult. Instead:
:
: "Having received some interesting material at the door, I
looked up
: the Jehovah's Witnesses on the Internet and was horrified to
find
: what their official spokesperson (he is a JW minister, he
says, as
: all JWs are) called Jabriol is writing. He is Antonio Santana,
of
: the Camden NJ Congregation though he may have moved.
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol&num=100> "
:
: If he is not stopped, there will be more Chris Dubose's, more
: Sepidehs, more tragedies...
.

User: "Duayne"

Title: Re: Who encourages suicide? Jabriol Chronicles! 18 Jun 2004 09:32:05 AM
Oh Jeeez, this crap again..... z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z
*In best Ace Ventura Voice*: La-who-za-herrr.
Anonymous Sender <anonymous@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message news:<a0c923b2875042c472df463e10af12b3@remailer.metacolo.com>...

One fine Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:15 PM [GMT+1=CET],
Prominent Bethelite <Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
<mailto:Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header>> took keyboard in
hand and tapped out:

: The posts JW JABRIOL nuked .. and how to get Jabriol NUKED!
:
: Q1. Who is Jabriol, and where can I find his posts?
:
: A1. Antonio Santana, of Camden, NJ, one of Jehovah's Witnesses
and a
: regular contributor to Usenet via a large number of different
ISPs,
: mail2news servers and email accounts (which he sometimes uses
in
: misleading ways so as to make himself difficult to track
down). To
: find out about what he posts, you should click on:
:
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol&num=100>
:
: You might quickly conclude that Jabriol:
: * supports the act of rape, and believes the victim is often to
: blame - and that the rape victim should be explicitly told
this;
: * actively encourages depressed people to commit suicide - and
this
: has had the predictable effect - at least once;
: * supports violence by husbands against wives, who must show
total
: subjection;
: * derives great satisfaction from images of billions of
children
: and others being slaughtered by the leader of his JW Cult;
: * has beaten and driven away his own daughter, etc.
:
: Jabriol has been doing this for many, many years. Indeed,
there are
: so many posts by him that you will fall afoul of Google's
: limitation of search results to 1000 matches at most. To get
around
: this, surf to:
:
: <http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search>
:
: and then, in sequence:
: (a) in the box marked "Author Return only messages where the
: author is " enter Jabriol ; and
: (b) Click on "Return messages posted between " ; and
: (c) Enter a restricted date range of (say) 6 months (his first
post
: was in June 1996, and the volume of posts per month from him
has
: grown and grown); and
: (d) Set the dropdown list which defaults to "10 messages" to
"100
: messages"; and
: (e) Press the button marked "Google Search"; and
: (f) Systematically work your way through the lists of messages
you
: get - this may be many pages full of headers, at a hundred per
: page. Then loop back to the Search page and use a further date
: range.
:
:
:
:
: Q2. I have read what he has put out there, and I am horrified
and
: sickened. If all this is known, how come Jabriol has not been
: disfellowshipped (the kooky Watchtower word for
"excommunicated")
: from the Jehovah's Witnesses?
:
: A2. Firstly, JWs stick together. "The Brothers" routinely
shield
: wife-beaters, pedophiles and so on. Their official policy is to
: shield accused pedophiles from the law (they won't report them
to
: the cops unless absolutely legally compelled to do so, and will
: threaten family members with excommunication i.e. certain
death if
: they whistleblow, the charge being "bringing the name of
Jehovah
: into disrepute") UNLESS the pedo confesses OR there are two
: witnesses to the same occurrence (hey, how many pedos invite
: non-pedo onlookers??). So it is not surprising that the filthy,
: disgusting JW SWINE here in Usenet stick by Jabriol. For more
: evidence of how the Jehovah's Witnesses stick together,
: irrespective of right or wrong, please read A8 below.
: Also, Jabriol knows something those immediately above him do
not
: wish him to divulge.
:
:
:
:
: Q3. So, what did Jabriol nuke from the Google posting
archives??
:
: A3. You will have observed Jabriol posts quoting a huge number
of
: different email accounts. Many of these are fake ones (either
: non-existent, or belonging to someone else). One drawback of
this
: is that is hard (or impossible) to nuke material that has
: originated from an email account one does not control, as
: confirmation of identity must come from that email account.
:
: So, from time to time he uses real accounts. Two recent ones
have
: been:


<mailto:
> and
:
<mailto:
>
: Naturally, he reserved some of his most disgusting material for
: those posts he knew he could remove later on.
:
: And, after his despicable actions re Chris Dubose (the
suicide),
: these posts HAVE been nuked from the archives. For proof, check
: out these URLs:
:
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
>
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=
>
:
: and you will see that no posts show up with author
:
<mailto:
> or
<mailto:
> !
:
: However, if we search for responses to these posts, we hit a
: bonanza:
:
:
<http://google.com/groups?as_epq=
&num=100>
:
<h
ttp://google.com/groups?as_epq=
&num=100>
:
: From the fragments you read, you can see these nuked posts were
: even worse than Jabriol's usual material....
:
: And the chosen address @truthspeaker.net is a further taunt to
: truthseeker.
:
:
:
:
: Q4. Could the nuked posts have been forgeries?
:
: A4. No. Using my contacts at echelon.net, I archived all of
them.
: Here are a few of the message-IDs:
:
: 1KNd7.167576$Cu6.13518296@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:1KNd7.167576$Cu6.13518296@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: BxBd7.164642$Cu6.13078813@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:BxBd7.164642$Cu6.13078813@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: cP%d7.171092$Cu6.14043731@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:cP%d7.171092$Cu6.14043731@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: DmEc7.205216$Gk.12836985@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:DmEc7.205216$Gk.12836985@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: FmEc7.205218$Gk.12837283@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:FmEc7.205218$Gk.12837283@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: fxBd7.164621$Cu6.13078587@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:fxBd7.164621$Cu6.13078587@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: hNhe7.7053$NK1.355766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:hNhe7.7053$NK1.355766@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: LCAc7.200458$Gk.12684326@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:LCAc7.200458$Gk.12684326@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: LzRa7.122018$Gk.7795013@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:LzRa7.122018$Gk.7795013@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:MCAc7.200461$Gk.12683974@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: pwNd7.167404$Cu6.13515354@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:pwNd7.167404$Cu6.13515354@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: QmEc7.205229$Gk.12836796@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:QmEc7.205229$Gk.12836796@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: RCAc7.200468$Gk.12684690@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:RCAc7.200468$Gk.12684690@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: roGe7.5418$Lw3.617172@news2.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:roGe7.5418$Lw3.617172@news2.aus1.giganews.com>
: sb8d7.151897$Cu6.12039483@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:sb8d7.151897$Cu6.12039483@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: TCAc7.200470$Gk.12684507@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:TCAc7.200470$Gk.12684507@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: WCAc7.200474$Gk.12684720@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:WCAc7.200474$Gk.12684720@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: YL%d7.171073$Cu6.14041827@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com
<mailto:YL%d7.171073$Cu6.14041827@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>
: [snip]
:
: A careful check of the headers show some of the messages
originated
: from Astra Labs Limited, whose services are often employed by
: Jabriol. Contrary to what the MIDs suggestion, they did not
: originate in Australia.
:
: Secondly, the language and message in them is vintage Jabriol
(just
: a bit more extreme).
:
: Thirdly, while many of those posts occurred in threads in which
: Jabriol was also participating with other email addresses (and
: which posts are not nuked), not once did he cry "forgery",
even in
: responses to persons who were themselves responding to
:
<mailto:
> and
<mailto:
> posts.
:
: Now, a year later or more, he is crying forgery - but that is
only
: because he realizes a dossier on him is being prepared for
: submission to: The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
: 25 Columbia Heights
: Brooklyn
: New York
: NY 11201-2483
: USA
:
:
:
:
: Q5. Who is - or rather, was - "Truthseeker"?
:
: A5. On June 1, 2000, Truthseeker (Chris Dubose in real life)
wrote
: in the ASP support depression mailing list:
:: I'm not sure why, but Sepideh seriously wants me to kill
myself,
:: and has not only told me to please kill myself, but has
blocked me
:: from her email, has put me on permanent ignore on her ICQ,
and has
:: killfiled me from newsgroups. And I don't even know exactly
why.
:: In other words, she's completely abandoned me like everybody
else
:: and wishes I would stop existing on the face of the earth.
:
: What a cry for help from this distressed person. "sepideh" is
: Sepideh Baghaii <
<mailto:
>>, a
girl he had become somewhat
: fixated upon over the internet, and onto whom he was projecting
: things of which she was innocent.
:
: Unfortunately for Truthseeker, Wicked JW Jabriol read his post.
: Jabriol, who patrols the mailing lists and bulletin boards as
he
: does Usenet, on the lookout for hurt people he can taught, or
weak
: and vulnerable people he can recruit into his Jehovah's
Witnesses
: Cult, almost immediately replied with:
:
:: Do not feel Bad, You see, her evolutionary instincts as
indicated
:: you as not a good canditate for the human species. If you
belive
:: in the theory of evolution, then you belive that your desire
to
:: kill yourself is purely normal.
:: The director of natural selection Mr. Chance may have directed
:: your innard to blow away yourself in some sort of violent act.
:: This is not your fault since human emotions and behaviour is
just
:: another mere Mechanism to enhace survival of the species. I
do not
:: seriously belive that anyone one wants you to kill yourself.
:: Howevewer Natural selection may want you to to do so for the
good
:: of humanity. I personaly do not subscribe to evolution as the
:: origin of man. And I do fight my self destructive ways..
However
:: if you do belive in evolution, and that man is here, but gone
:: tomorrow... then follow your instincts.. go in style, make the
:: headline, like those columbine high kids did. But if you
belive
:: you are much more than the product of two human to satify
nature
:: need to procreate. there is a better way..
:: Read the Bible. [WORDS BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS JABRIOL - NO
EDITING
:: AT ALL]
:
:
: A few months later, Chris Dubose - exactly followed JW
Jabriol's
: stated interpretation of what "Natural Selection" was directing
: Chris to do. Chris Dubose did blow himself away in style,
making
: the headlines. He decapitated himself under a train...
:
: Not content with this, Jabriol has since harangued the boy's
mother
: - even threatening her with legal action, though he later
retracted
: that, pretending he was only threatening others... unbelievable
: wickedness.
:
:
: Not content, Jabriol has actively and deliberately and DIRECTLY
: driven the poor girl Sepideh off from Usenet entirely (well, at
: least he did not try to kill her). Here is the record.
Sepideh, the
: girl who was closest by far to Chris Dubose, posted the
following
: to alt.support.depression:
: <http://google.com/groups?selm=9l9e9m%2425o%241%40news3.bu.edu>
: wherein she said:
: "It bothers me that there are all these [sp truthseeker]
posts. I
: hardly read anything here anymore, but I am sucked into the [sp
: truthseeker] posts. And all the crap about talking to him or
: blaming yourselves or others or everything.
: And here I am sitting and wondering... or coming across things
: Chris mailed me and wondering... and wondering...
: It is so hard. Do you understand that?"
:
: Another cry for help... Alas for Sepideh, JW Jabriol found her
post.
:
: Not content with having goaded her dear friend Chris to follow
the
: directives of Natural Selection (i.e. kill himself), JW Jabriol
: responded less than 2 days later to Sepideh with:
:
:
go
og
le
.com/groups?selm=2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814%40posting.google.com
: from which I quote:
:
:
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
----------- -
: From:
<mailto:
>
(Jabriol)
: Newsgroups:
: alt.support.depression,alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.atheism
: Subject: Re: how strange [sp truthseeker]
: Date: 15 Aug 2001 09:31:20 -0700
: Organization: <http://groups.google.com/>
: Lines: 30
: Message-ID: <2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814@posting.google.com
<mailto:2928e70.0108150831.3cc9814@posting.google.com>>
: References:
<nD4d7.7009$AE4.860425346@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com
<mailto:nD4d7.7009$AE4.860425346@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>>
: <9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu <mailto:9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu>>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.204.42.234
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
: X-Trace: posting.google.com 997893080 32709 127.0.0.1 (15 Aug
2001
: 16:31:20 GMT)
: X-Complaints-To:
<mailto:groups-
abuse@google.com>
: NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 2001 16:31:20 GMT
: Path:
: news.supernews.com!supernews.com!sn-xit-
07!newsfeed.stanford.edu!
: postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail
:
:
<mailto:
> wrote in message
<news:9l9e9m$25o$1@news3.bu.edu>...
:: It bothers me that there are all these [sp truthseeker]
posts. I
:: hardly read anything here anymore, but I am sucked into the
[sp
:: truthseeker] posts. And all the crap about talking to him or
:: blaming yourselves or others or everything.
:
: Ahhh You are the Women. Don't worry Chris, killed himself
because I
: told him so.
: That is why he laid his head on amtrack rail, and got it
severed
: from
: his neck.. which rolled around for a few meters..
: at least that is what his mother says or implies.
:
:: And here I am sitting and wondering... or coming across things
:: Chris mailed me and wondering... and wondering...
:: It is so hard. Do you understand that?
:
: Of course, ask mrs Dubose... I always wonder if he laid face
down
: or face up.
: was his head sewed back to his neck.. etc.
: His mother doesnt say...
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
----------- -
:
:
: The post originated from Jabriol's Google account registered
at his
: regular
<mailto:
>
email account. It is absolutely not a
: forgery, as the Path: proves. The NNTP posting host is: Test
: Technologies (TESTTE), of 4 East Stowe Road, Suite 2, Marlton,
NJ
: 08053 - not far from Jabriol's Camden NJ base.
:
: The sheer evil of that post speaks for itself. "he laid his
head on
: amtrack rail, and got it severed from his neck.. which rolled
: around for a few meters .. I always wonder if he laid face
down or
: face up. was his head sewed back to his neck"... What a fine
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is Mr Antonio Santana! What a good Witness he
: gives for the Society! Truly, they are God's people. They let
him
: go on and on posting like this, with no sanction. Others, they
: excommunicate simply for embracing a loved one (who had been
: excommunicated and who was therefore to be shunned
absolutely)...
:
:
: Poor Sepideh saw Jabriol's hateful post within a short while,
and
: less than an hour and a half later she responded in:
: <http://google.com/groups?selm=9led7v%24h44%241%40news3.bu.edu>
:
: with the words:
: "Why do you care? Are you just trying to get off on this?"
:
: AND THAT WAS SEPIDEH'S LAST EVER POST ON USENET (August 15,
2001),
: AT LEAST WITH ANY RECOGNIZABLE ID. Here is proof it was her
last
: one: <http://google.com/groups?q=author:sepideh%40bu.edu>
:
: What a good fine theocratic record for JW Jabriol:
:
: Boy: TAUNTED - NOW DEAD
: Mother: GRIEF-STRICKEN - AND THREATENED WITH LAWSUIT
: Girl: TAUNTED - AND DRIVEN OFF USENET
:
: This isn't the first time JW Jabriol has perpetrated such
: atrocities - but his fellow-JWs rush to protect him. Indeed,
when I
: first exposed and condemned JW Jabriol's taunting of rape
victims
: in their support NG, two of his filthy spiritual JW Brothers
rushed
: to his aid and abused and attacked me viciously for my
exposure of
: their fellow-JW.... THIS WAS YEARS BEFORE JABRIOL'S "GUIDANCE"
: HELPED CHRIS DUBOSE TO HIS FATE.
: The two spiritual-criminals who supported Jabriol and
encouraged
: him to further acts of malicious hatred against those in the
: support newsgroups (it is no step at all from the rape support
to
: the depression support NG) were:
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS "Richmac" <richmac@erols.com
<mailto:richmac@erols.com>>
: <richmac2@home_nospam.com <mailto:richmac2@home_nospam.com>>
and
: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS "Dave Worthey" <davers_dfd@netzero.net
<mailto:davers_dfd@netzero.net>>
:
: The former, Richmac, is a particularly despicable and odious
little
: coward, whom I have caught in DIRECT LYING - and who has now
fled
: from the Usenet in Spring 2002.
: The latter is a stupid drunken sot who is desparate to be
: reinstated as a JW (he was excommunicated for having a tipple)
and
: believes his droppings here will assist him and win favors.
:
: RICHMAC and DAVE WORTHEY are BLOODGUILTY, by the teachings of
the
: Watchtower itself. They could have helped stop their brother
JW.
: Instead, these spiritual-rapists ENCOURAGED him. And we have
now
: seen the result.
:
:
:
:
: Q6. This is incredible! Don't these Jehovah's Witnesses have a
: conscience?
:
: A6. In accordance with the teachings of the Watchtower Cult to
which
: Jabriol belongs, all non-JWs (excluding some dependant minor
: childen of JW parents) are scheduled to be slaughtered very
soon
: (tomorrow is quite likely) by the murderous leader of the
Jehovah's
: Witnesses. All such are of the "Walking Dead Class" and the
"Bird
: Seed Class" (as the 6 billion plus corpses will be disposed
off by
: the birds), and their destruction is to be viewed as a joyful
event
: by the JWs (JWs are trained not to feel any misgivings about
this
: Mother Of All Genocides - if they feel any remorse, they too
will
: be destroyed).
: Sepideh, Chris Dubose and his mother were thus wholly
worthless to
: Jabriol unless he could convert them. One doesn't have a
conscience
: when dealing with ants (official Watchtower term to refer to
those
: who do not submit themselves to Jehovah-of-the-Watchtower) who
are
: scheduled for squashing by God in "army boots" (Watchtower
teaching
: - promise - follow the links in my URL!).
: So conscience does not even come into it!
:
:
:
:
: Q7. But surely Jabriol is not typical of the Jehovah's
Witnesses??
:
: A7. He is but a somewhat extreme example. But I know many who
are
: far worse than he is.
: If you genuinely believe you are one of a miniscule number who
has
: an all-powerful truth which makes you immortal (the JW Pill),
and
: everyone else is very inferior and contemptibly stupid (for not
: becoming an unpaid bookselling slave for the rich men in
Brooklyn!)
: and will soon be brutally killed (no quick death, either - eyes
: popping out of eyeballs, skin peeling off with flesh-eating
: plagues, violent crimes, etc.), mental illness of a very
profound
: nature swiftly develops.
: Half of the JW elders are as bad as Jabriol, or worse. Jabriol
just
: makes his feelings more openly obvious - so one should commend
his
: honesty!
:
:
:
:
:
: Q8. I want to do something to stop this.
:
: A8. Unfortunately, we do not live in a theocratic soceity, and
: regrettably are limited by the secular laws of the land.
[Parody of
: Watchtower teaching from the 1950s explaining why JWs should
not
: just go out and kill "apostates" by stoning them to death -
real
: reason, the Watchtower did not want the lawsuits].
:
: The Watchtower Cult is all about making money (which they hide
in
: property etc.).
:
: I deduce that Jabriol's work on Usenet has cost the Watchtower
: thousands of recruits in the US and Europe (where the web is
: densest), and therefore millions of dollars of future revenue.
:
: Here it is again:
: The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
: 25 Columbia Heights
: Brooklyn
: New York
: NY 11201-2483
: USA
:
<mailto:
>
:
<mailto:
>
:
<mailto:
>
:
:
: You know what needs to be done. YES, I MEAN YOU.
:
: Hint: You will achieve your result more easily if you omit your
: real views about the Watchtower Cult. Instead:
:
: "Having received some interesting material at the door, I
looked up
: the Jehovah's Witnesses on the Internet and was horrified to
find
: what their official spokesperson (he is a JW minister, he
says, as
: all JWs are) called Jabriol is writing. He is Antonio Santana,
of
: the Camden NJ Congregation though he may have moved.
: <http://google.com/groups?as_uauthors=jabriol&num=100> "
:
: If he is not stopped, there will be more Chris Dubose's, more
: Sepidehs, more tragedies...

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