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Who Invented Charity? The Catholic Church |
Who Invented Charity?
by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods41.html
In the early fourth century, famine and disease struck the army of the
Roman emperor Constantine. Pachomius, a pagan soldier in that army,
watched in amazement as many of his fellow Romans brought food to the
afflicted men and, without discrimination, bestowed help on those in
need. Curious, Pachomius inquired about these people and found out that
they were Christians. What kind of religion was it, he wondered, that
could inspire such acts of generosity and humanity? He began to learn
about this faith - and before he knew it, was on the road to
conversion.
This kind of amazement has attended Catholic charitable work throughout
the ages. Even Voltaire, perhaps the most prolific anti-Catholic
propagandist of the eighteenth century, found himself in awe at the
heroic spirit of self-sacrifice that animated so many of the Church's
sons and daughters. "Perhaps there is nothing greater on earth," he
said, "than the sacrifice of youth and beauty, often of high birth,
made by the gentle sex in order to work in hospitals for the relief of
human misery, the sight of which is so revolting to our delicacy.
Peoples separated from the Roman religion have imitated but imperfectly
so generous a charity."
It would take many large volumes to record the complete history of
Catholic charitable work, carried on as it was by individual faithful,
parishes, dioceses, monasteries, missionaries, friars, nuns, and lay
organizations. Indeed book-length studies have been written just on the
charitable work of a particular order of nuns in a particular area of
the United States. Chapter 6 of my new book, How the Catholic Church
Built Western Civilization, tells the story all too briefly.
Just as important as the sheer volume of Catholic charity was the
qualitative difference that separated the Church's charity from what
had preceded it. It would be foolish to deny that some noble sentiments
were voiced by the great ancient philosophers when it came to
philanthropy, or that men of wealth made impressive and substantial
voluntary contributions to their communities. The wealthy were expected
to finance baths, public buildings, and all manner of public
entertainment. Pliny the Younger was far from alone in endowing his
home town with a school and a library.
Yet for all the benefactions thus offered, the spirit of giving in the
ancient world was in a certain sense deficient when set against that of
the Church. Most ancient giving was self-interested rather than purely
gratuitous. The buildings that the wealthy financed featured their own
names in prominent display. Donors gave what they did either in order
to put the recipients in their debt or in order to call attention to
themselves and their great liberality. That those in need were to be
served with a cheerful heart and provided for without thought of reward
or reciprocity was certainly not the governing principle.
Stoicism, an ancient school of thought dating back to around 300 B.C.
and still alive and well in the early centuries of the Christian era,
is sometimes cited as a pre-Christian line of thought that did indeed
recommend doing good to one's fellow man without expecting anything
in return. To be sure, the Stoics did teach that the good man was a
citizen of the world who enjoyed a spirit of fraternity with all men,
and for that reason they may appear to have been messengers of charity,
but they also taught the suppression of feeling and emotion as things
unbecoming of a man. Man should be utterly unperturbed by outside
events, even of the most tragic kind. He must possess a self-mastery so
strong as to be able to face the worst catastrophe in a spirit of
absolute indifference. And that was the spirit in which the wise man
should assist the less fortunate: not one of sharing the grief and
sorrow of those he helps or of making an emotional connection with
them, but in the disinterested and emotionless spirit of one who is
simply discharging his duty. Thus Seneca could write:
The sage will console those who weep, but without weeping with them; he
will succor the shipwrecked, give hospitality to the proscribed, and
alms to the poor,...restore the son to the mother's tears, save the
captive from the arena, and even bury the criminal; but in all his mind
and his countenance will be alike untroubled. He will feel no pity. He
will succor, he will do good, for he is born to assist his fellows, to
labor for the welfare of mankind, and to offer each one his part....
His countenance and his soul will betray no emotion as he looks upon
the withered legs, the tattered rags, the bent and emaciated frame of
the beggar. But he will help those who are worthy, and, like the gods,
his leaning will be towards the wretched.... It is only diseased eyes
that grow moist in beholding tears in other eyes....
It is true that, simultaneously with the development of Christianity,
some of the harshness of earlier Stoicism began to dissolve. One can
hardly read the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius, the second-century
Roman emperor and Stoic philosopher, without being struck by the degree
to which the thought of this noble pagan resembled that of
Christianity, and it was for this reason that Saint Justin Martyr could
praise later Stoicism. But the ruthless suppression of emotion and
feeling that had characterized so much of this school had already taken
its toll. It was certainly alien to human nature in its refusal to
acknowledge such an important dimension of what it means to be human.
We recoil from such examples of Stoicism as Anaxagoras, a man who upon
learning of his son's death merely remarked, "I never supposed that I
had begotten an immortal." It was only natural that men so insulated
from the reality of evil would be slow to alleviate its effects on
their fellow men. "Men who refused to recognize pain and sickness as
evils," notes one observer, "were scarcely likely to be very eager to
relieve them in others."
According to W. E. H. Lecky, who was frequently a harsh critic of the
Church, there can be "no question that neither in practice nor in
theory, neither in the institutions that were founded nor in the place
that was assigned to it in the scale of duties, did charity in
antiquity occupy a position at all comparable to that which it has
obtained by Christianity. Nearly all relief was a State measure,
dictated much more by policy than by benevolence, and the habit of
selling young children, the innumerable expositions, the readiness of
the poor to enroll themselves as gladiators, and the frequent famines,
show how large was the measure of unrelieved distress."
The spirit of Catholic charity did not arise in a vacuum but took its
inspiration from the teaching of Christ. "A new commandment I give unto
you: that you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love
one another. By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if
you have love one for another" (John 13:34-35; cf. James 4:11). Saint
Paul explains that those who do not belong to the community of the
faithful should also be accorded the care and charity of Christians,
even if they should be enemies of the faithful (cf. Roman 12: 14-20;
Galatians 6:10). Here was a new teaching for the ancient world.
Early in Church history there developed the practice of offering
oblations for the poor. The faithful's offerings would be placed on
the altar within the context of the Mass. Other forms of giving
included the collecta, in effect on certain fast days, in which just
prior to the reading of the epistle the faithful donated some portion
of the fruits of the earth. Financial contributions to the church
treasury were also made, and extraordinary collections were solicited
from richer members of the faithful. Much evidence exists of early
Christians imposing fasts on themselves in order that they might make a
sacrificial offering of the money that they would have spent on the
food they would otherwise have eaten the day of their fast.
One could go on at great length citing the good works of the early
Church, carried out by the lowliest and most simple to the most
brilliant and elevated minds of the day. Even the Church Fathers found
time to devote themselves to the service of their fellow men. Saint
Augustine established a hospice for pilgrims, ransomed slaves, and gave
away clothing to the poor. (He warned people not to give him expensive
garments, since he would only sell them and give the proceeds to the
poor.) Saint John Chrysostom founded a series of hospitals in
Constantinople. Saint Cyprian and Saint Ephrem organized relief efforts
during times of plague and famine.
The early Church also institutionalized the care of widows and orphans,
and saw after the needs of the sick. The latter concern showed itself
with particular drama during epidemics. During the pestilences that
struck Carthage and Alexandria, the Christians earned respect and
admiration for the bravery with which they consoled the dying and
buried the dead, at a time when the pagans abandoned even their friends
to their terrible fate. In the north African city of Carthage, the
third-century bishop and Church Father Saint Cyprian rebuked the pagan
population for not helping victims of the plague, preferring instead to
plunder them: "No compassion is shown by you to the sick, only
covetousness and plunder open their jaws over the dead; they who are
too fearful for the work of mercy, are bold for guilty profits. They
who shun to bury the dead, are greedy for what they have left behind
them." Saint Cyprian summoned followers of Christ to action, calling on
them to nurse the sick and bury the dead. Recall that this was still
the age of intermittent persecution of Christians, so the great bishop
was asking his followers to help the very people who had at times
persecuted them. But, he said, "if we only do good to those who do good
to us, what do we more than the heathens and publicans? If we are the
children of God, who makes His sun to shine upon good and bad, and
sends rain on the just and the unjust, let us prove it by our acts, by
blessing those who curse us, and doing good to those who persecute us."
In the case of Alexandria, which also fell prey to the plague in the
third century, the Christian bishop Dionysius recorded that the pagans
"thrust aside anyone who began to be sick, and kept aloof even from
their dearest friends, and cast the sufferers out upon the public roads
half dead, and left them unburied, and treated them with utter contempt
when they died." He was able to report, however, that very many
Christians "did not spare themselves, but kept by each other, and
visited the sick without thought of their own peril, and ministered to
them assiduously...drawing upon themselves their neighbors' diseases,
and willingly taking over to their own persons the burden of the
sufferings of those around them."
Saint Ephrem, a hermit in Edessa, was remembered for his heroism when
famine and pestilence struck that unfortunate city. Not only did he
coordinate the collection and distribution of alms, but he also
established hospitals, cared for the sick, and tended to the dead. When
during the reign of Maximius a famine struck Armenia, Christians lent
assistance to the poor regardless of religious affiliation. Eusebius,
the great fourth-century ecclesiastical historian, tells us that as a
result of the Christians' good example many pagans "made inquiries
about a religion whose disciples are capable of such disinterested
devotion."
No wonder even the Church's opponents - not only Voltaire but also
Julian the Apostate and Martin Luther - praised her extraordinary
work on behalf of her fellow men.
May 10, 2005
Professor Thomas E. Woods, Jr. holds a bachelor's degree in history
from Harvard and his Ph.D. from Columbia. His books include the New
York Times (and LRC) bestseller The Politically Incorrect Guide to
American History, The Church and the Market: A Catholic Defense of the
Free Economy, and the just-released How the Catholic Church Built
Western Civilization.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods41.html
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| User: "Woden" |
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05 Nov 2005 10:10:53 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Who Invented Charity?
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Martin" |
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06 Nov 2005 09:31:30 AM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9705AF75028D2wodencharternet@69.28.186.121...
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Who Invented Charity?
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Foot fetishists in the church?
Scandalous!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Nov 2005 02:07:36 AM |
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 09:31:30 -0000, "Martin"
<martin.reboul@spamfuktiscali.co.uk> wrote:
"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9705AF75028D2wodencharternet@69.28.186.121...
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Who Invented Charity?
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Foot fetishists in the church?
Scandalous!
Ever heard of "Thumb-screws"?
It's like that, only lower down.
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| User: "Peter Jason" |
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05 Nov 2005 11:42:37 PM |
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"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Yes, a bit like "democracy"!
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| User: "Peter Jason" |
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05 Nov 2005 11:43:13 PM |
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Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Why were there no pedophile nuns?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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06 Nov 2005 12:41:31 AM |
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:43:13 +1100, "Peter Jason" <PJ@PJ.com.nz> wrote:
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Why were there no pedophile nuns?
There are, but not many complaints, it seems.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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06 Nov 2005 03:25:20 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Michael Gray
(fleetg@newsguy.spam.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:43:13 +1100, "Peter Jason" <PJ@PJ.com.nz> wrote:
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Why were there no pedophile nuns?
There are, but not many complaints, it seems.
So *that's* a teenage Catholic boy's dream??? Well, I suppose there could
be some lookers under those habits.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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06 Nov 2005 04:23:47 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:25:20 -0600, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Michael Gray
(fleetg@newsguy.spam.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 10:43:13 +1100, "Peter Jason" <PJ@PJ.com.nz> wrote:
Is that a euphemism for "covering up the pedophile priests"?
Why were there no pedophile nuns?
There are, but not many complaints, it seems.
So *that's* a teenage Catholic boy's dream??? Well, I suppose there could
be some lookers under those habits.
And I had very studiously avoided the "bad habits" schtick...
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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05 Nov 2005 06:10:14 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
It certainly wasn't the Catholic Church.
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/cgi-local/DHI/dhi.cgi?id=dv3-60
by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods41.html
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Yet for all the benefactions thus offered, the spirit of giving in the
ancient world was in a certain sense deficient when set against that of
the Church. Most ancient giving was self-interested rather than purely
gratuitous.
LOL !!
I'm sure that the offer of a "free" ticket to heaven has nothing to do with
self interest.
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Regards,
Josef
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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05 Nov 2005 05:40:56 PM |
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"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Nov 2005 01:42:18 PM |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:40:56 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
No, he said "charity".
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Gabby" |
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06 Nov 2005 03:27:32 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:40:56 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
No, he said "charity".
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Are you saying that charity was unknown to the Jews??
Gabby
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Nov 2005 09:23:17 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:27:32 -0400, "Gabby" <Lavolanges@msn.com> wrote:
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Are you saying that charity was unknown to the Jews??
Gabby
Let me put it this way, gabby. Christ said "I give you a ***NEW*** command,
that you love one another as I has loved you". John 13:34
Prior to Christ, the words were "do unto others as you would have them do unto
you".
Now you tell me. God's love for us is unquestioned. Jews are people.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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06 Nov 2005 08:59:51 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:40:56 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
No, he said "charity".
Hey, watch this. Speak, Duke! Speak! Come on! Speak!
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Good boy! Good boy, Duke!
Ok, hush Duke! Hush! Hush now! Good boy! Good boy! Does Dukey want a
biscuit? You want a biscuit? Where's the biscuit? Where's the biscuit? I
don't see a biscuit! Oh! Oh look! A biscuit! It's a biscuit! You want the
biscuit? You want the biscuit? Here you go, Dukey! Here's the biscuit! Here
you go!
duke
Good boy!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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07 Nov 2005 03:29:13 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:59:51 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ju1sm194ntj2lk2pagstm7859f8vlgidik@4ax.com...
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:40:56 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
No, he said "charity".
Hey, watch this. Speak, Duke! Speak! Come on! Speak!
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Good boy! Good boy, Duke!
Ok, hush Duke! Hush! Hush now! Good boy! Good boy! Does Dukey want a
biscuit? You want a biscuit? Where's the biscuit? Where's the biscuit? I
don't see a biscuit! Oh! Oh look! A biscuit! It's a biscuit! You want the
biscuit? You want the biscuit? Here you go, Dukey! Here's the biscuit! Here
you go!
duke
Good boy!
He is training up nicely there, Denis.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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08 Nov 2005 02:39:38 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:59:51 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:40:56 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"words of truth" <wordsoftruth@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131210150.761671.125560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Who Invented Charity?
You mispelled Usurped.
No, he said "charity".
Hey, watch this. Speak, Duke! Speak! Come on! Speak!
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Good boy! Good boy, Duke!
Ok, hush Duke! Hush! Hush now! Good boy! Good boy! Does Dukey want a
biscuit? You want a biscuit? Where's the biscuit? Where's the biscuit? I
don't see a biscuit! Oh! Oh look! A biscuit! It's a biscuit! You want the
biscuit? You want the biscuit? Here you go, Dukey! Here's the biscuit!
Here
you go!
duke
Good boy!
He is training up nicely there, Denis.
Thanks! He IS a handfull I'll admit. Took a while to house train, and still
makes messes from time to time, but he's getting better.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Nov 2005 09:28:46 PM |
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:59:51 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Hey, watch this. Speak, Duke! Speak! Come on! Speak!
After all, "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is the
prelude
to John 13:34: "love one another as God loves you."
Good boy! Good boy, Duke!
Ok, hush Duke! Hush! Hush now! Good boy! Good boy! Does Dukey want a
biscuit? You want a biscuit? Where's the biscuit? Where's the biscuit? I
don't see a biscuit! Oh! Oh look! A biscuit! It's a biscuit! You want the
biscuit? You want the biscuit? Here you go, Dukey! Here's the biscuit! Here
you go!
loubert must be looking for a friend. Now he thinks his monitor is a dog.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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07 Nov 2005 01:44:07 AM |
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Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
Paul
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:36:10 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
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He might do a little better if he learned to talk Alsation.
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Nov 2005 11:38:57 AM |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:06:10 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
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Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
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He might do a little better if he learned to talk Alsation.
You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
duke
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
07 Nov 2005 11:54:33 AM |
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"duke" wrote
: You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
I find pity in your stupidity duke.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:30:45 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 06:54:33 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"duke" wrote
: You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
I find pity in your stupidity duke.
I find you are in need on mental assistance, bear.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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| User: "Bear" |
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08 Nov 2005 11:42:41 AM |
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"duke" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"duke" wrote
: >: You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
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: >I find pity in your stupidity duke.
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: I find you are in need on mental assistance, bear.
Your stupidity make you incapable of any such finding.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
08 Nov 2005 11:50:00 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:42:41 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
: >I find pity in your stupidity duke.
: I find you are in need on mental assistance, bear.
Your stupidity make you incapable of any such finding.
my dog's got your number. That's how much mental assistance you need.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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10 Nov 2005 12:53:46 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:50:00 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:42:41 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
: >I find pity in your stupidity duke.
: I find you are in need on mental assistance, bear.
Your stupidity make you incapable of any such finding.
my dog's got your number. That's how much mental assistance you need.
Well get him to give us a call, he probably makes more sense than you do.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
08 Nov 2005 07:14:40 AM |
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in article k3fum1h8m9icouqj7j2nir52ujubggvder@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/7/05 6:38 AM:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:06:10 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
:
He might do a little better if he learned to talk Alsation.
You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
The Lord certainly does....God finds it in CAUSING death.
Paul
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
08 Nov 2005 11:50:37 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:14:40 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
in article k3fum1h8m9icouqj7j2nir52ujubggvder@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/7/05 6:38 AM:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:06:10 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
:
He might do a little better if he learned to talk Alsation.
You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
The Lord certainly does....God finds it in CAUSING death.
Nope, gray laughs at people who die accidental deaths.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
10 Nov 2005 12:55:58 AM |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:50:37 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
Nope, gray laughs at people who die accidental deaths.
What's the matter, Earl, think that you might be in line for a Darwin Award,
too?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
09 Nov 2005 07:03:12 AM |
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in article jde2n1h425jqtk1q06oefltnc2ik4p7be9@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/8/05 6:50 PM:
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:14:40 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
in article k3fum1h8m9icouqj7j2nir52ujubggvder@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 11/7/05 6:38 AM:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:06:10 +1030, Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
:
He might do a little better if he learned to talk Alsation.
You find joy in the accidental death of others, don't you, gray.
The Lord certainly does....God finds it in CAUSING death.
Nope, gray laughs at people who die accidental deaths.
And you don't join in, when it's someone you don't like>
Paul
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Who Invented Chastity? The Catholic Church |
07 Nov 2005 11:37:10 AM |
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:44:07 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
Not that Duke cares...he spend all his time trying to get into
the pants of those dumb females who hang around him.
You really do get your jollies by watching other men, don't you duca.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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