Religions > Atheism > Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
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Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
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Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives
who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their
husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives
them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually
available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank
about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be
helping him either."
Uh-huh. Leave it to a fundamentalist Evangelical preacher to have such a
profound understanding of human sexuality. Or as the inimitable sex
columnist Dan Savage so aptly put it:
"I'm sure Ted Haggard is saying something along these lines to his
wife right now: 'Oh, honey... I wouldn't have been having those
meth-fueled *****-banging sessions with that gay hooker if you hadn't have
let yourself go like that!' "
Of course, using Pastor Driscoll's line of reasoning one would suppose
about two-thirds of married, middle-aged Americans -- men and women
alike -- to be meth-addicted homosexuals. Hmm. I haven't looked at the
statistics recently, but that figure strikes me as just a tad high... at
least, outside of Colorado Springs.
But scroll further down Pastor Driscoll's list and you'll find some more
useful suggestions on how to avoid temptation. Like a pastor should
never travel alone, or freely give out his cell phone number, or hang
out at places where he might come in contact with "lonely people"... you
know... like at his own church. Pastor Driscoll also advises against
keeping "a secondary email account from which to build a secret
identity." Personally, it never occurred to me to create a secret
identity, but I suppose the prospect must have some appeal to joyless,
rigidly moral, puritanical hypocrites like Pastor Driscoll and his
colleagues.
But mostly what I've learned from Pastor Driscoll's sage advice is that
becoming a pastor is a great way to meet women. (And men, I guess.)
Apparently, the ladies think pastors are hot:
"I have, however, seen some very overt opportunities for sin. On one
occasion I actually had a young woman put a note into my shirt pocket
while I was serving communion with my wife, asking me to have dinner, a
massage, and sex with her. On another occasion a young woman emailed me
a photo of herself topless and wanted to know if I liked her body.
Thankfully, that email was intercepted by an assistant and never got to
me."
Pastor Driscoll has been "blessed with a trustworthy heterosexual male
assistant," and I'm sure he was equally thankful to intercept that
scandalous email. Praise the Lord.
Wow. Mega-church preachers are like rock stars -- there's sexual
temptation lying behind every pew. With office perks like that, even a
secular Jew like myself might consider becoming an Evangelical preacher,
except, unlike Pastor Driscoll, I'm not into all that kinky stuff:
"How can we proclaim that we are new creations in Christ if we
continually return to lap up the vomit of our old way of life?"
Blyech!
If I ever find myself alone in a room with Pastor Driscoll, remind me to
stay off the meth.
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07 Nov 2006 04:29:23 AM |
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In article <jhachmann-92A6E0.00140307112006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
I don't see how he can be more widely despised, but hey... if it makes
him feel more happy and fulfilled, why stop him?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
08 Nov 2006 12:21:05 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-025539.05292307112006@news.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <jhachmann-92A6E0.00140307112006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
I don't see how he can be more widely despised, but hey... if it makes
him feel more happy and fulfilled, why stop him?
True. One of the great things about this country is that anyone can make
a fool of himself in any way that he chooses.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
13 Nov 2006 10:34:26 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:14:03 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
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Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
Is Mike Jones behind him?
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
14 Nov 2006 01:24:51 AM |
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In article <tohil2pmk2k7iid03qv0m5tsunm4lp4un0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:14:03 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
---
Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
Is Mike Jones behind him?
[]
The rapper or the baseball player.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
16 Nov 2006 12:45:19 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <tohil2pmk2k7iid03qv0m5tsunm4lp4un0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:14:03 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
---
Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
Is Mike Jones behind him?
[]
The rapper or the baseball player.
The gay escort.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
17 Nov 2006 01:32:59 AM |
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In article <hdcpl21eqb3b19v7bhdb5jq0vaac04hcqp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <tohil2pmk2k7iid03qv0m5tsunm4lp4un0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:14:03 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
---
Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
Is Mike Jones behind him?
[]
The rapper or the baseball player.
The gay escort.
Heh! Mikey was behind him all right, and from what I gather sometimes in
front too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
19 Nov 2006 11:11:03 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:32:59 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <hdcpl21eqb3b19v7bhdb5jq0vaac04hcqp@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <tohil2pmk2k7iid03qv0m5tsunm4lp4un0@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:14:03 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
---
Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this.
Is Mike Jones behind him?
[]
The rapper or the baseball player.
The gay escort.
Heh! Mikey was behind him all right, and from what I gather sometimes in
front too.
And did Faggard ever get a vicious tongue lashing!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Who's to blame for Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife. |
14 Nov 2006 11:50:31 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:34:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Is Mike Jones behind him?
I understand that was the relationship.
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Nov 2006 12:45:56 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:50:31 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:34:26 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
Is Mike Jones behind him?
I understand that was the relationship.
I figured as much.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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17 Nov 2006 06:33:04 AM |
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johac submitted this idea :
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
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Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives
who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their
husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives
them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually
available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank
about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be
helping him either."
How typical...... blame the woman! Misogynists!
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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19 Nov 2006 11:12:00 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:33:04 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac submitted this idea :
This Driscoll guy is insane. There's a link to his blog at the site
below.
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Who's to blame for Pastor Haggard's fall from grace? His fat, lazy wife.
David Goldstein
Colorado Springs' New Life Church just announced that it has fired
Pastor Ted Haggard for his "sexually immoral conduct." The much
publicized meth and gay hooker scandal has elicited a little bit of soul
searching and a lot hemming and hawing from Haggard's fellow Evangelical
leaders, but perhaps the most ridiculous response came yesterday from
Pastor Mark Driscoll of Seattle's Mars Hills mega-church-wannabe.
Writing in his personal blog, Driscoll offers his fellow pastors "some
practical suggestions" on how to avoid the type of temptation that
consumed Pastor Haggard. And near the top of his list?
"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual
conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even
more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and
take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives
who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their
husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives
them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually
available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank
about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be
helping him either."
How typical...... blame the woman! Misogynists!
Of course. After all they are fundy sapiens the most cretinous,
ignorant, and cowardly of all.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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