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13 Aug 2006 07:11:07 PM |
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Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
---bk
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
13 Aug 2006 07:50:18 PM |
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wrote in news:1155514267.647713.137770
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
Probably because the conversion of others (by persuasion, coersion, or
force) are basic tenets of islam and xianity.
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
Welcome to the club. Many of us here went through the same process. So
feel free to vent or ask questions or just look for help.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "bk" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
25 Aug 2006 11:23:11 PM |
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Woden wrote:
backandforthhope@yahoo.com wrote in news:1155514267.647713.137770
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
Probably because the conversion of others (by persuasion, coersion, or
force) are basic tenets of islam and xianity.
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
Welcome to the club. Many of us here went through the same process. So
feel free to vent or ask questions or just look for help.
I'm glad your post and others are still here; as at the time i made the
OP I still was "scrupe" enough to fear responding in any way would
constitute blasphemy. It is such a relief to come here and finally
shed all.
bk
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
14 Aug 2006 06:48:27 AM |
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wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
---bk
Judaism: Military conquest and colonisation.
Christianity: Forcible conversion, colonisation, bribery, sophistry.
Islam: Military conquest and colonisation.
All of them promise eternal life, but only if you believe their flavour
of the Abrahamic death cult.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
13 Aug 2006 07:37:49 PM |
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wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
---bk
They answer to you subject line is very simple.
Force.
These religions have been forced onto others for a very long time.
Dissent is looked down upon, and through out history, met with violence.
Even today there are those that follow these religions that will use
force of arms to keep people ignorant, and afraid of not believing.
Then there are those that try to use the force of the law, to force
their interpretations of these religions onto others.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
13 Aug 2006 10:18:11 PM |
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wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
Christianity was a fairly minor and obscure religion - for its fisst
hundred years or so - until it was addopted as the official religion of
the Roman Empire by Constantine.
After that, Pagan temples were destroyed and pagan priests that failed
to convert were executed. Better to be christian than dead!
Before the conversion of Constantine the Roman Empire had been tolerant
of a diversity of religious beliefs.
And so Europe became christian - Europeans then colonised and
conquered the Americas and Africa - christianity spread round the globe
on the heals of conquest..
Islam was also spread through military conquest.
Interestingly Judaism is still a minor religion - because unlike
Christianity and Islam it is not a basic tennent of the faith that
unbelievers should be converted. Judaism is basically concerned
primarily with the the preservation of the religion within its own
community.
Mark.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
13 Aug 2006 09:26:20 PM |
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Because they have a loooooong tradition of converting the infidels "by
whatever means possible", i. e. better a dead man than a living
nonbeliever.
backandforthhope@yahoo.com:
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
<shameless plug>You may find the site and the forum members over at
www.exchristian.net helpful</shameless plug>
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
14 Aug 2006 12:47:21 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2006 17:11:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1155514267.647713.137770@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
---bk
Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent?
A subtle blend of genocidal mania, brutality, force, and guilt.
All very nasty.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Aug 2006 08:40:59 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:11:07 -0700, backandforthhope wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
Then you're right on topic for this newsgroup.
Why are they so prevalent? They're aggressive. Both in proselytizing and
flat out militarism. I mean, did you ever sing "Onward Christian Soldiers"
in church?
Some of it was pure happenstance of course. If you really pay attention to
the period of European colonialism for example, you notice that the places
outside of Europe you find people of European extraction to any great
degree were where native populations had no natural resistance to the
diseases carried by the Europeans.
Compare areas such as the US, Canada, and Australia to locations such as
India and elsewhere in Asia. They were able to rule for a brief period in
history in some places (such as India) but were never able to totally
conquer the way they did in places where the diseases did most of the work
such as happened here in what is now the US.
I became convinced over time that had it *not been for the epidemics,
people of European extraction today would be pretty much limited to Europe.
Across this entire hemisphere, conversion to Christianity was by "the
sword." And given the general collapse native civilizations were
undergoing because of the epidemics (many fell before any European got
there because diseases were passed from tribe to tribe), it didn't take
all *that much effort to convince people that the Christian god was "more
powerful" than previous beliefs. I mean, nobody knew what a "germ" was
back then. Not really. People were just dying and nothing that had
"worked" before was working anymore. And the "white people" were
prospering.
Many converted out of the sheer terror that these new folks on the block
had some really powerful "god" and the only safe haven was to kiss its *****.
But the entire threesome of the JCI group of religions are (or were)
proselytizing and aggressive. Judaism turned away from that many years
back, turning more insular and tolerant and, as you can see, they're the
smallest of the "big three" now.
One of things that contributed to my deconversion was the discovery that
the history of the religion was rife with violence. Christianity hooked
itself to the state and became a conquering political force. That's when
it began its rapid expansion.
It seriously hit my "faith" that god need swords and ships and gun powder
to effect the spread of his "word." That should not have been necessary.
But there it was...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "bk" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Abrahamic religions so prevalent? |
25 Aug 2006 11:31:30 PM |
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Thanks everyone for such an excellent explanation. At the time I began
my deconversion, I had no idea really where Xtianity stood in the
greater scheme of things. Learning about the "monomyth" and the larger
framework behind Xtianity and how it got started certainly helped
change my perspective.
bk
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:11:07 -0700, backandforthhope wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic
"Abrahamic religions account for more than half of the world's total
religious adherents."
(hope this isn't OT for the group.... i am a Christian attempting the
process of deconversion, after a long and hard struggle with my "faith"
(if you call it that)).
Then you're right on topic for this newsgroup.
Why are they so prevalent? They're aggressive. Both in proselytizing and
flat out militarism. I mean, did you ever sing "Onward Christian Soldiers"
in church?
Some of it was pure happenstance of course. If you really pay attention to
the period of European colonialism for example, you notice that the places
outside of Europe you find people of European extraction to any great
degree were where native populations had no natural resistance to the
diseases carried by the Europeans.
Compare areas such as the US, Canada, and Australia to locations such as
India and elsewhere in Asia. They were able to rule for a brief period in
history in some places (such as India) but were never able to totally
conquer the way they did in places where the diseases did most of the work
such as happened here in what is now the US.
I became convinced over time that had it *not been for the epidemics,
people of European extraction today would be pretty much limited to Europe.
Across this entire hemisphere, conversion to Christianity was by "the
sword." And given the general collapse native civilizations were
undergoing because of the epidemics (many fell before any European got
there because diseases were passed from tribe to tribe), it didn't take
all *that much effort to convince people that the Christian god was "more
powerful" than previous beliefs. I mean, nobody knew what a "germ" was
back then. Not really. People were just dying and nothing that had
"worked" before was working anymore. And the "white people" were
prospering.
Many converted out of the sheer terror that these new folks on the block
had some really powerful "god" and the only safe haven was to kiss its *****.
But the entire threesome of the JCI group of religions are (or were)
proselytizing and aggressive. Judaism turned away from that many years
back, turning more insular and tolerant and, as you can see, they're the
smallest of the "big three" now.
One of things that contributed to my deconversion was the discovery that
the history of the religion was rife with violence. Christianity hooked
itself to the state and became a conquering political force. That's when
it began its rapid expansion.
It seriously hit my "faith" that god need swords and ships and gun powder
to effect the spread of his "word." That should not have been necessary.
But there it was...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "" |
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26 Aug 2006 02:35:20 AM |
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bk wrote:
Thanks everyone for such an excellent explanation. At the time I began
my deconversion, I had no idea really where Xtianity stood in the
greater scheme of things. Learning about the "monomyth" and the larger
framework behind Xtianity and how it got started certainly helped
change my perspective.
bk
Hmm. I collect such things. Let me see what I can pass along to ya.
The Internet Infidels have a lovely range of reading material:
http://infidels.org/library/
Christianity is largely borrowed from older pagan religions. It's
nothing but the train wreck caused by Jewdaism's monotheistic
traditions clashing with its neighbors' paganism.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/source.html
Jewdaism own history is being re-examined:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684869128/104-9784871-0301517?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.bibleinterp.com/commentary/Finkelstein_Silberman022001.htm
Another pretty good study of the lack of evidence for a historical
Jesus:
http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/
Another reminder that you're not alone <g>:
http://ffrf.org/shop/books/details.php?cat=fbooks&ID=FB5
Hang in there..
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "bk" |
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30 Aug 2006 06:50:12 PM |
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wrote:
Hmm. I collect such things. Let me see what I can pass along to ya.
The Internet Infidels have a lovely range of reading material:
http://infidels.org/library/
Christianity is largely borrowed from older pagan religions. It's
nothing but the train wreck caused by Jewdaism's monotheistic
traditions clashing with its neighbors' paganism.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/source.html
Jewdaism own history is being re-examined:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684869128/104-9784871-0301517?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.bibleinterp.com/commentary/Finkelstein_Silberman022001.htm
Another pretty good study of the lack of evidence for a historical
Jesus:
http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/
Another reminder that you're not alone <g>:
http://ffrf.org/shop/books/details.php?cat=fbooks&ID=FB5
Hang in there..
Thanks, these are great links.
bk
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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