Religions > Atheism > Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler
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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Catholic Mel Gibson" |
| Date: |
19 Nov 2006 07:42:25 AM |
| Object: |
Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
Everyone knows that the Pope joined the Hitler Youth out of his own free will
during WW2. Why is he a Hitler loving Nazi and why do Catholics love him for
it?
Then there's the fact that the Catholic Church is the worlds longest standing
and largest Pedophile Ring in existence.
Why are Catholics such perverts that they need men who insist on having sex
with children as their spiritual leaders?
And, why are they so self righteous? Always acting "Holier Than Thou" and
forcing their perverted will and bizarre supernatural superstitions on those
who wish to have nothing to do with them?
Why don't they pay taxes when everyone else does? Is it some kind of criminal
scam?
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: Re: Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
22 Nov 2006 02:54:24 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
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at bobandcarole007@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
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bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 4sghg9Fvd2d3U1@mid.individual.net,, Robibnikoff at
witchypoo@broomstick.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL004@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
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In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News
1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a
lier giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a
hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his
own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make
the choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to
stand and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run
to fight another day. The fact is that there were other
choices to be had other than to buckle and serve. Other
people did make them, and yes a number of them did die. I
can't say for sure what my choice would be in his same
situation, I would like the believe that I would have not
buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle and
serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a
shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are
you saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the
NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
While it might not have been honorable, sometimes that's better
than being dead, don't you think?
When you're talking about supporting a war machine that was
responsible for so many deaths?
Well jump in there and take that bullet, PUSS........
I have taken a bullet for my beliefs, what about you coward?
You don't know how close your post editing is to the truth this
time, PUSS
I served my country, did you???
Of course. Now answer my question.
*****,
Yes, we know, you are full of it.
Have you ever taken a bullet for your beliefs? Try to answer in
less than two convolutions, won't you?
I've been wounded in battle, a far cry from the beer bottle over the
head you took for trying to seduce a normal straight man...LOL
I simple straightforeward yes, or no answer.
I bet you can't do it honestly. I'm betting the only thing you've
ever served is fast food down at KFC.
Funny you should mention KFC, is that where YOU work??? :-)
Nope, that's where I fucked your daughter.
LOL..you're a *****, you don't like girls.
Wounded in battle does not
include getting hit with hot grease by a deep frier down at your job
But is is funny that it happened to you, PUSS :-)
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
22 Nov 2006 03:14:56 PM |
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In News 1164228864.648562.103680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,, bobandcarole
at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164201112.107440.273690@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole007@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164156766.435577.45590@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
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bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 4sghg9Fvd2d3U1@mid.individual.net,, Robibnikoff at
witchypoo@broomstick.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL004@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
message
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1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News
1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a
lier giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a
hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under
his own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will
in Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make
the choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices
to stand and fight, others make choices to run and hide,
or run to fight another day. The fact is that there were
other choices to be had other than to buckle and serve.
Other people did make them, and yes a number of them did
die. I can't say for sure what my choice would be in his
same situation, I would like the believe that I would have
not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to
buckle and serve would not be a proud choice, it would
always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because
if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason
than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are
you saying that there is some way that buckling and serving
the NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten
us.
While it might not have been honorable, sometimes that's
better than being dead, don't you think?
When you're talking about supporting a war machine that was
responsible for so many deaths?
Well jump in there and take that bullet, PUSS........
I have taken a bullet for my beliefs, what about you coward?
You don't know how close your post editing is to the truth this
time, PUSS
I served my country, did you???
Of course. Now answer my question.
*****,
Yes, we know, you are full of it.
Have you ever taken a bullet for your beliefs? Try to answer in
less than two convolutions, won't you?
I've been wounded in battle, a far cry from the beer bottle over the
head you took for trying to seduce a normal straight man...LOL
I simple straightforeward yes, or no answer.
I bet you can't do it honestly. I'm betting the only thing you've
ever served is fast food down at KFC.
Funny you should mention KFC, is that where YOU work??? :-)
Nope, that's where I fucked your daughter.
LOL..I'm a *****, I don't like girls.
True.
Wounded in battle does not
include getting hit with hot grease by a deep frier down at your job
But is is funny that it happened to me, I'm a PUSS :-)
I've edited your post to reflect something more accurate.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: ***** ANDREALPHUS ADMITS TO POST EDITING |
22 Nov 2006 03:50:13 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
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at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164201112.107440.273690@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole007@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
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bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
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Andrealphus wrote:
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witchypoo@broomstick.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL004@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
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this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News
1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a
lier giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a
hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under
his own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will
in Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make
the choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices
to stand and fight, others make choices to run and hide,
or run to fight another day. The fact is that there were
other choices to be had other than to buckle and serve.
Other people did make them, and yes a number of them did
die. I can't say for sure what my choice would be in his
same situation, I would like the believe that I would have
not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to
buckle and serve would not be a proud choice, it would
always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because
if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason
than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are
you saying that there is some way that buckling and serving
the NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten
us.
While it might not have been honorable, sometimes that's
better than being dead, don't you think?
When you're talking about supporting a war machine that was
responsible for so many deaths?
Well jump in there and take that bullet, PUSS........
I have taken a bullet for my beliefs, what about you coward?
You don't know how close your post editing is to the truth this
time, PUSS
I served my country, did you???
Of course. Now answer my question.
*****,
Yes, we know, you are full of it.
Have you ever taken a bullet for your beliefs? Try to answer in
less than two convolutions, won't you?
I've been wounded in battle, a far cry from the beer bottle over the
head you took for trying to seduce a normal straight man...LOL
I simple straightforeward yes, or no answer.
I bet you can't do it honestly. I'm betting the only thing you've
ever served is fast food down at KFC.
Funny you should mention KFC, is that where YOU work??? :-)
Nope, that's where I fucked your daughter.
LOL..I'm a *****, I don't like girls.
True.
Wounded in battle does not
include getting hit with hot grease by a deep frier down at your job
But is is funny that it happened to me, I'm a PUSS :-)
I've edited your post to reflect something more accurate
No, you edit posts because you're not smart enough to do anything else.
But thanks for the admission.
Checkmate *****
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22 Nov 2006 03:58:55 PM |
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In News 1164232213.455058.96090@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,, bobandcarole
at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164228864.648562.103680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164201112.107440.273690@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole007@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164156766.435577.45590@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164153086.768502.239830@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 4sghg9Fvd2d3U1@mid.individual.net,, Robibnikoff at
witchypoo@broomstick.com, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL004@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
message
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In News
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nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News
1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a
lier giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a
hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under
his own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free
will in Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts.
Of course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that
did not were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some
make the choice to buckle and serve, other people make
choices to stand and fight, others make choices to run
and hide, or run to fight another day. The fact is
that there were other choices to be had other than to
buckle and serve. Other people did make them, and yes a
number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my
choice would be in his same situation, I would like the
believe that I would have not buckled and served. In
any event, the choice to buckle and serve would not be a
proud choice, it would always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because
if there be one, he must more approve the homage of
reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way?
Are you saying that there is some way that buckling and
serving the NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please
enlighten us.
While it might not have been honorable, sometimes that's
better than being dead, don't you think?
When you're talking about supporting a war machine that was
responsible for so many deaths?
Well jump in there and take that bullet, PUSS........
I have taken a bullet for my beliefs, what about you coward?
You don't know how close your post editing is to the truth this
time, PUSS
I served my country, did you???
Of course. Now answer my question.
*****,
Yes, we know, you are full of it.
Have you ever taken a bullet for your beliefs? Try to answer in
less than two convolutions, won't you?
I've been wounded in battle, a far cry from the beer bottle over
the head you took for trying to seduce a normal straight man...LOL
I simple straightforeward yes, or no answer.
I bet you can't do it honestly. I'm betting the only thing
you've ever served is fast food down at KFC.
Funny you should mention KFC, is that where YOU work??? :-)
Nope, that's where I fucked your daughter.
LOL..I'm a *****, I don't like girls.
True.
Wounded in battle does not
include getting hit with hot grease by a deep frier down at your
job
But is is funny that it happened to me, I'm a PUSS :-)
I've edited your post to reflect something more accurate
No,
Yes.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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22 Nov 2006 05:03:23 PM |
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bobandcarole wrote:
No, you edit posts because you're not smart enough to do anything else.
This from a person whose posts consist mostly of "You *****".
Checkmate *****
And I rest my case.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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22 Nov 2006 05:23:23 PM |
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In News 1164236603.452319.169390@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,, ScottyFLL at
1scott@lycos.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
No, you edit posts because you're not smart enough to do anything
else.
This from a person whose posts consist mostly of "You *****".
LOL! The guy is so stupid that he actually thought that I didn't know that
other people besides himself was noticing that I was editing his posts.
It doesn't appear that most people care though.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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22 Nov 2006 09:15:23 AM |
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bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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22 Nov 2006 01:46:01 PM |
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In News 1164208523.601723.306160@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,, DarkAngel at
drkangel666@hotmail.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
I doubt that it's true, but if it is they should have awarded the purple
heart to the person that shot him.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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22 Nov 2006 02:37:35 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164208523.601723.306160@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,, DarkAngel at
drkangel666@hotmail.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
Then who would keep you in your place, *****?
I doubt that it's true, but if it is they should have awarded the purple
heart to the person that shot him.
Obviously you've never been in the service, PUSS
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
22 Nov 2006 02:49:10 PM |
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In News 1164227855.046803.46820@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,, bobandcarole
at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164208523.601723.306160@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
DarkAngel at drkangel666@hotmail.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
Then who would keep you in your place
LOL! Like a worm like you could ever put anyone in their place, *****.
I doubt that it's true, but if it is they should have awarded the
purple heart to the person that shot him.
Obviously you've never been in the service, PUSS
Obviously you're a lying sack of *****.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "bobandcarole" |
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| Title: Re: Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
22 Nov 2006 03:35:24 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164227855.046803.46820@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,, bobandcarole
at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164208523.601723.306160@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
DarkAngel at drkangel666@hotmail.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
Then who would keep you in your place
LOL! Like a worm like you could ever put anyone in their place, *****.
I doubt that it's true, but if it is they should have awarded the
purple heart to the person that shot him.
Obviously you've never been in the service, PUSS
Obviously you're a lying sack of *****.
Fraid not, PUSS
I've killed more then 10 in battle
Wanna start a war??? :-)
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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22 Nov 2006 03:43:38 PM |
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In News 1164231324.795211.45210@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,, bobandcarole
at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164227855.046803.46820@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
bobandcarole at bobandcarole1010@hotmail.com, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1164208523.601723.306160@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
DarkAngel at drkangel666@hotmail.com, typed this:
bobandcarole wrote:
I've been wounded in battle,
Too bad they didn't finish the job.
Then who would keep you in your place
LOL! Like a worm like you could ever put anyone in their place,
*****.
I doubt that it's true, but if it is they should have awarded the
purple heart to the person that shot him.
Obviously you've never been in the service, PUSS
Obviously you're a lying sack of *****.
Fraid not, PUSS
I've killed more then 10 in battle
LOL! Only 10?
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 03:12:50 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier giving
false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in Nazi
Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone who
can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the pope
joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered. What a
terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand and
fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight another
day. The fact is that there were other choices to be had other
than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them, and yes a
number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my choice would
be in his same situation, I would like the believe that I would have
not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle and
serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a shameful
choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you saying that
there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's was somehow
honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
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19 Nov 2006 03:13:59 PM |
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In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in Nazi
Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone
who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the pope
joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered. What a
terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand and
fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight another
day. The fact is that there were other choices to be had other
than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them, and yes a
number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my choice would
be in his same situation, I would like the believe that I would
have not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle
and serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a
shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's
was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 03:47:52 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in Nazi
Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone
who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the pope
joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered. What a
terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand and
fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight another
day. The fact is that there were other choices to be had other
than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them, and yes a
number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my choice would
be in his same situation, I would like the believe that I would
have not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle
and serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a
shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's
was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be comfortable
challenging a man's honor based on the terrible circumstances
surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is but let us say he is
70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using 1940 as the start). How much
of a stand can a 6 year old child make? 10 year old? 15 year old? How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to challenge a
man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I would need more
facts.
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19 Nov 2006 03:52:25 PM |
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In News 1163972872.562192.285590@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone
who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the
pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered.
What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand
and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight
another day. The fact is that there were other choices to be
had other than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them,
and yes a number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my
choice would be in his same situation, I would like the believe
that I would have not buckled and served. In any event, the
choice to buckle and serve would not be a proud choice, it would
always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's
was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be comfortable
challenging a man's honor based on the terrible circumstances
surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is but let us say he is
70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using 1940 as the start). How much
of a stand can a 6 year old child make? 10 year old? 15 year old?
He was 14 at the time, and at 14 I knew that it was wrong to take part in
the murders of others, even if I didn't have a direct hand in it.
How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to challenge
a man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I would need
more facts.
Then go get them. There were a number of news articles on the subject just
prior to and shortly after his appointment to Pope.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 03:58:46 PM |
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Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves and had sex with
many of them, probably rape sex.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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19 Nov 2006 04:03:43 PM |
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In News MPG.1fca9d9d3b0ad8b1989ba0@news.motzarella.org,, Arkan at
arkan@forethought.com, typed this:
Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves
Couldn't be helped. He inherited the slaves from his father in Virginia
where it was illegal to free a slave. Had he freed them, he would have
gone to prison. The law was quite strict at the time.
and had
sex with many of them, probably rape sex.
There is only proof that he had sex with one of them, and that was not rape.
There exists absolutely no proof that he raped any slave.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 04:28:41 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News MPG.1fca9d9d3b0ad8b1989ba0@news.motzarella.org,, Arkan at
arkan@forethought.com, typed this:
Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves
Couldn't be helped. He inherited the slaves from his father in Virginia
where it was illegal to free a slave. Had he freed them, he would have
gone to prison. The law was quite strict at the time.
Can any similarities be drawn here between the circumstances that
Jefferson faced and the terrible situation that the Pope faced
concerning his compulsary service with the Nazi youth?
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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19 Nov 2006 04:37:06 PM |
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In News 1163975321.244107.92060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News MPG.1fca9d9d3b0ad8b1989ba0@news.motzarella.org,, Arkan at
arkan@forethought.com, typed this:
Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves
Couldn't be helped. He inherited the slaves from his father in
Virginia where it was illegal to free a slave. Had he freed them,
he would have gone to prison. The law was quite strict at the time.
Can any similarities be drawn here between the circumstances that
Jefferson faced and the terrible situation that the Pope faced
concerning his compulsary service with the Nazi youth?
Did I say it was an honorable choice? During the after Jefferson's
father's death, there was no where for a freed slave to go. Selling them
would mean a new, perhaps dastardly owner, attempting to free them would
mean prison and reenslavement of his slaves.
Jefferson had no honorable choice available and choose the least
dishonrable. But make no mistake, it wasn't an honorable choice.
Pope Benedict, on the other hand, did have an honorable choice, but didn't
take it. Odd in the light of the fact that his father had spoken out
against the Nazis.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "" |
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19 Nov 2006 04:58:47 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163975321.244107.92060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News MPG.1fca9d9d3b0ad8b1989ba0@news.motzarella.org,, Arkan at
arkan@forethought.com, typed this:
Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves
Couldn't be helped. He inherited the slaves from his father in
Virginia where it was illegal to free a slave. Had he freed them,
he would have gone to prison. The law was quite strict at the time.
Can any similarities be drawn here between the circumstances that
Jefferson faced and the terrible situation that the Pope faced
concerning his compulsary service with the Nazi youth?
Did I say it was an honorable choice? During the after Jefferson's
father's death, there was no where for a freed slave to go. Selling them
would mean a new, perhaps dastardly owner, attempting to free them would
mean prison and reenslavement of his slaves.
Jefferson had no honorable choice available and choose the least
dishonrable. But make no mistake, it wasn't an honorable choice.
Pope Benedict, on the other hand, did have an honorable choice, but didn't
take it. Odd in the light of the fact that his father had spoken out
against the Nazis.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So there are no similarities to be drawn in your opinion. I respect
that, although I again disagree. Good point though.
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19 Nov 2006 05:02:23 PM |
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In News 1163977127.066028.181240@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163975321.244107.92060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News MPG.1fca9d9d3b0ad8b1989ba0@news.motzarella.org,, Arkan at
arkan@forethought.com, typed this:
Andrealphus said:
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson preached freedom for white people but owned slaves
Couldn't be helped. He inherited the slaves from his father in
Virginia where it was illegal to free a slave. Had he freed them,
he would have gone to prison. The law was quite strict at the
time.
Can any similarities be drawn here between the circumstances that
Jefferson faced and the terrible situation that the Pope faced
concerning his compulsary service with the Nazi youth?
Did I say it was an honorable choice? During the after Jefferson's
father's death, there was no where for a freed slave to go.
Selling them would mean a new, perhaps dastardly owner, attempting
to free them would mean prison and reenslavement of his slaves.
Jefferson had no honorable choice available and choose the least
dishonrable. But make no mistake, it wasn't an honorable choice.
Pope Benedict, on the other hand, did have an honorable choice, but
didn't take it. Odd in the light of the fact that his father had
spoken out against the Nazis.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So there are no similarities to be drawn in your opinion. I respect
that, although I again disagree. Good point though.
There are similarities, but no direct parallel.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 04:05:33 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163972872.562192.285590@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone
who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the
pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered.
What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand
and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight
another day. The fact is that there were other choices to be
had other than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them,
and yes a number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my
choice would be in his same situation, I would like the believe
that I would have not buckled and served. In any event, the
choice to buckle and serve would not be a proud choice, it would
always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's
was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be comfortable
challenging a man's honor based on the terrible circumstances
surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is but let us say he is
70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using 1940 as the start). How much
of a stand can a 6 year old child make? 10 year old? 15 year old?
He was 14 at the time, and at 14 I knew that it was wrong to take part in
the murders of others, even if I didn't have a direct hand in it.
How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to challenge
a man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I would need
more facts.
Then go get them. There were a number of news articles on the subject just
prior to and shortly after his appointment to Pope.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So now the decision to question a man's honor is based on the fact he
was 14 and it was mandatory (by law) that he join. That is not a
dishonorable act in my opinion. No wonder this story doesn't carry any
weight in the media.
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19 Nov 2006 04:11:16 PM |
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In News 1163973933.563468.268610@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163972872.562192.285590@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his
own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand
and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight
another day. The fact is that there were other choices to be
had other than to buckle and serve. Other people did make
them, and yes a number of them did die. I can't say for sure
what my choice would be in his same situation, I would like
the believe that I would have not buckled and served. In any
event, the choice to buckle and serve would not be a proud
choice, it would always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the
NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be comfortable
challenging a man's honor based on the terrible circumstances
surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is but let us say he
is 70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using 1940 as the start).
How much of a stand can a 6 year old child make? 10 year old? 15
year old?
He was 14 at the time, and at 14 I knew that it was wrong to take
part in the murders of others, even if I didn't have a direct hand
in it.
How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to
challenge a man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I
would need more facts.
Then go get them. There were a number of news articles on the
subject just prior to and shortly after his appointment to Pope.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So now the decision to question a man's honor is based on the fact he
was 14 and it was mandatory (by law) that he join.
There were many people of differing ages that refused. One choice was
honorable, the other was not. Many people died to support the honorable
choice.
That is not a
dishonorable act in my opinion. No wonder this story doesn't carry any
weight in the media.
Doesn't carry any weight with who? It was widely reported on at the time
he was appointed. Naturally, it's not going to carry much weight with the
Catholics, particularly when the issue of pedophile priests was also in the
news at that time.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 04:22:03 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163973933.563468.268610@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163972872.562192.285590@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier
giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful
individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his
own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand
and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight
another day. The fact is that there were other choices to be
had other than to buckle and serve. Other people did make
them, and yes a number of them did die. I can't say for sure
what my choice would be in his same situation, I would like
the believe that I would have not buckled and served. In any
event, the choice to buckle and serve would not be a proud
choice, it would always be a shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you
saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the
NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be comfortable
challenging a man's honor based on the terrible circumstances
surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is but let us say he
is 70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using 1940 as the start).
How much of a stand can a 6 year old child make? 10 year old? 15
year old?
He was 14 at the time, and at 14 I knew that it was wrong to take
part in the murders of others, even if I didn't have a direct hand
in it.
How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to
challenge a man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I
would need more facts.
Then go get them. There were a number of news articles on the
subject just prior to and shortly after his appointment to Pope.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So now the decision to question a man's honor is based on the fact he
was 14 and it was mandatory (by law) that he join.
There were many people of differing ages that refused. One choice was
honorable, the other was not. Many people died to support the honorable
choice.
That is not a
dishonorable act in my opinion. No wonder this story doesn't carry any
weight in the media.
Doesn't carry any weight with who? It was widely reported on at the time
he was appointed. Naturally, it's not going to carry much weight with the
Catholics, particularly when the issue of pedophile priests was also in the
news at that time.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I respect your opinion however, I disagree with your conclusions. I
will say it was nice to have a respectful conversation with you and I
hope we can engage in more dialogue (on another subject because I think
we will have to "agree to disagree" on this issue).
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19 Nov 2006 04:24:23 PM |
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In News 1163974923.436716.57400@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163973933.563468.268610@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163972872.562192.285590@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163970770.304964.180940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News
1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed
this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a
lier giving false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a
hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his
own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in
Nazi Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have
someone who can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of
course the pope joined the nazi youth. Those that did not
were murdered. What a terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make
the choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to
stand and fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run
to fight another day. The fact is that there were other
choices to be had other than to buckle and serve. Other
people did make them, and yes a number of them did die. I
can't say for sure what my choice would be in his same
situation, I would like the believe that I would have not
buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle and
serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a
shameful choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are
you saying that there is some way that buckling and serving the
NAZI's was somehow honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
That still does not make it honorable.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than
that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I don't know what it makes to be honest. I would not be
comfortable challenging a man's honor based on the terrible
circumstances surrounding WW2. I don't know how old the pope is
but let us say he is 70 years old. WW2 was 66 years ago (using
1940 as the start). How much of a stand can a 6 year old child
make? 10 year old? 15 year old?
He was 14 at the time, and at 14 I knew that it was wrong to take
part in the murders of others, even if I didn't have a direct hand
in it.
How
old was he when he joined the Nazi Youth? If I was going to
challenge a man's honor or call someone's actions dis-honorable I
would need more facts.
Then go get them. There were a number of news articles on the
subject just prior to and shortly after his appointment to Pope.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there
be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
So now the decision to question a man's honor is based on the fact
he was 14 and it was mandatory (by law) that he join.
There were many people of differing ages that refused. One choice
was honorable, the other was not. Many people died to support the
honorable choice.
That is not a
dishonorable act in my opinion. No wonder this story doesn't carry
any weight in the media.
Doesn't carry any weight with who? It was widely reported on at
the time he was appointed. Naturally, it's not going to carry much
weight with the Catholics, particularly when the issue of pedophile
priests was also in the news at that time.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
I respect your opinion however, I disagree with your conclusions. I
will say it was nice to have a respectful conversation with you and I
hope we can engage in more dialogue (on another subject because I
think we will have to "agree to disagree" on this issue).
That's fine. I also respect your opinion and I agree to disagree.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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19 Nov 2006 03:12:52 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163963718.057715.79170@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
Andrealphus wrote:
In News 1163962136.686826.263760@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com,,
nonsmoking1@comcast.net at nonsmoking1@comcast.net, typed this:
H Dickmann wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier giving
false withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own
free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in Nazi
Germany.
You was in Germany during WW||? How fascinating to have someone who
can speak to history on the basis of facts. Of course the pope
joined the nazi youth. Those that did not were murdered. What a
terrible choice to make.
People make terrible choices thoughout history. Some make the
choice to buckle and serve, other people make choices to stand and
fight, others make choices to run and hide, or run to fight another
day. The fact is that there were other choices to be had other
than to buckle and serve. Other people did make them, and yes a
number of them did die. I can't say for sure what my choice would
be in his same situation, I would like the believe that I would have
not buckled and served. In any event, the choice to buckle and
serve would not be a proud choice, it would always be a shameful
choice.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
The fact is you were not there. Mr. Dickman was.
And that would be relevant to my statement in what way? Are you saying that
there is some way that buckling and serving the NAZI's was somehow
honorable? If so, please enlighten us.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
Personal experience from an eyewitness, obviously.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Why Are All Catholic Clergy Vile, Pedophile Sickos & The Pope Supported Hitler |
19 Nov 2006 12:56:52 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:57:33 GMT, "H Dickmann" <>
wrote:
"Polaris" <polaris3@northstar.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fca4242c1187d74989b8a@news.motzarella.org...
H Dickmann said:
Anyone who reads your first line knows that you are a lier giving false
withness, a hypocrite, a bigot a hateful individual.
But it's true. The Pope joined the Hitler Youth under his own free will.
I was there and can tell you that there was no free will in Nazi Germany.
Sure there was. What could they do if he refused to join? Kill his
mortal body? He's Catholic - only the soul and the hereafter matter.
At least, that's what he says now. Are you saying that he's a
hypocrite?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when
it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it
so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil
power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
- Benjamin Franklin
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