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20 Apr 2007 02:26:37 PM |
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Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked? |
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted April 19, 2007.
In the Netherlands people can be naked in their gardens, the beach and
recently the gym. But in America, even chocolate sculptures can't be
without clothes. What gives?
When Catholic protesters recently shut down a New York exhibit
displaying a naked, life-sized Jesus sculpted from chocolate, the outcry
wasn't totally unexpected. Labeled offensive by critics, the artwork
touched an angry nerve by pushing religion and nudity -- two substances
that historically don't mix -- into the limelight. While the media was
quick to exploit the story, it also expressed surprising modesty when it
came to the naked Christ, avoiding the full frontal and opting for
photos of the Lord's backside.
But in Europe, and particularly the Netherlands, where bakeries display
anatomically correct marzipan nudes in their front windows right next to
chocolate bunnies and chicks, such furor over confectionary draws a
complete blank. On this side of the Atlantic, when it comes to nudity,
Europeans happily assert they've got absolutely nothing to hide.
"The Netherlands is a liberal country where public nakedness is allowed,
and that's the way it should be -- that's why there's a law for it,"
says Ragna Verwer of the Dutch Naturist Federation (NFN), a
70,000-member-strong organization established to expand naturist
activities.
According to Verwer, 1.9 million Dutch regularly get nude, going to nude
beaches or stripping down in their own gardens, though she estimates the
numbers are much higher as NFN doesn't include sauna-goers in its
research. "Naked recreation is well accepted here. But we have to take
care that things stay this way, which is why we often discuss these
matters with local city councils and recreation areas to create more
places."
Legally, in Netherlands people are allowed to be naked anywhere except
public roads or when they annoy others, a law in play since 1986. It is
not uncommon to find nude swimming sessions at public swimming pools,
nude or topless beaches. Recently, Fitworld, a gym in Heteren in the
eastern Netherlands, introduced Naked Sunday, offering locals the
opportunity for bare workouts. This quickly proved a popular idea -- at
least with journalists, photographers and television crews, who easily
outnumbered participants on the opening day.
"I've done interviews with people from Russia, Ireland, Canada,
Australia, America and Turkey," says Fitworld's owner, Patrick de Man,
who says Naked Sunday was in part a competitive response to other gyms
offering pole dancing courses, but also a response to a request from two
of his naturist clients. De Man says the amount of attention he received
both from home and abroad was surprising because "being naked is
absolutely normal here," though admittedly, bare bench presses were
totally new to Holland. But the owner has also received complaints from
locals, mostly about sanitation, and at least one member wrote on the
club's website that he was switching gyms.
"A lot people from the church have sent me letters about God and stuff
like that. But I tell them God was the first man of naturism. He and
Adam and Eve were all naked on Earth," says de Man, taking the criticism
rather pragmatically. True -- at least until the couple donned their
first fig leaves, provoking centuries of subsequent debate.
"Nudity is definitely not shocking or even arousing," says Mandy
Servais, a customer at Amsterdam's Sauna Deco, in a robe wrapped loosely
around her body, which for all intents and purposes, was naked, as Dutch
saunas are visited in the buff. Says Servais, who has frequented saunas
since she was a teen, "I think as a society we're very simple and take a
practical approach to sex and nudity. We think that everything that
exists is normal so there's no need to make a fuss. We're not really
occupied with what others think."
Verwer mirrors Servais' response. "I think the Dutch believe let
everyone have their dignity and do what they enjoy most. This isn't just
how we think about naked recreation, the same goes for gays --everyone's
accepted," she says.
While the Dutch seem to accept that underneath their clothing everyone's
naked, the same laissez-faire attitude doesn't apply in the States,
where the public has been schooled in the cultural ideology that "nude
is naughty," and nudity is regarded as sexual.
Perhaps much of this attitude can be chalked down to America's cultural
forefathers, the Puritans, whose deeply religious moral zeal made them
fear nudity so much they refused to bathe, ensuring a future of national
prudishness.
This might appear a huge contradiction given the American media's
rampant appetite for sex, but how else to explain the fury over Janet
Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" and the network's rush to cleanup
before facing clampdowns and stiff fines? Or PBS's need to position the
disclaimer "For mature audiences only" when broadcasting footage of
Michelangelo's David.
A further inconsistency when it comes to nudity is what Americans regard
as risqué: barely clad Victoria Secret models strutting their way across
television or nude grandmothers? As Dove soap found out this March, it's
the latter. The Federal Communications Commission, which regulates
America's broadcast media, banned a series of prime-time ads depicting
six middle-aged women posing nude for Dove Proage products, claiming it
was inappropriate, though the ads ran successfully in Europe and Canada.
Ironically, Dove's parent company is the Anglo-Dutch giant Unilever.
While a number of pro-family and women's groups complained the ad
contributed to the further commercial sexualization of women -- an
ongoing and valid debate -- clearly, older nudity is threatening because
our culture rarely separates nakedness from sex, which is something the
elder crowd, at least until Viagra, wasn't supposed to be having.
On a similar note, in 2004 Wal-Mart, never one to balk at profits,
refused to sell Jon Stewart's book "America," which featured doctored
nude photos of Supreme Court judges. Old, saggy bodies were simply too
offensive compared to, say, the number of slasher films Wal-Mart also
carries.
Of the Dove Proage ads, says Claire Taylor, who works in international
advertising, including projects with Ogilvy & Mather, the company
responsible for the Dove ad campaign, "If the ad featured 20-year olds,
there'd be no problem. It's so hypocritical."
Taylor, an American who has lived in Amsterdam for the last 25 years,
thinks the negative reaction stateside is due to "puritanical
prudishness," which doesn't balk at violence or soft porn on television,
yet is offended by older nudity. "Now seeing older bodies -- that's
reality TV if you want reality," Taylor quips.
Another, perhaps sobering, reality: America has the highest teenage
pregnancy rate in the industrialized world, according to the American
Association of Pediatrics, and a rate that exceeds the Dutch by
nine-fold. A healthy attitude to nudity as well as sex, something the
Dutch are regaled for, might have a positive impact as more exposure
typically leads to greater information.
Still, in America, being naked remains complex. Because our associations
are often limited to porn, hippy naturalists, or the $400 million a year
nude recreation industry, nudity is either seen as sexual or a gimmick.
Take journalistic "undercover" exposes -- a choice phrase, given the
situation -- on nudists at play ("Just look at those guys playing
tennis!").
Or the media's buzz over photographer Spencer Tunick and his nude
landscapes. Tunick, who specializes in photographing hundreds of naked
bodies sprawled together in abstract forms against an urban backdrop,
has definitely pushed social boundaries at home. But in Amsterdam, where
Tunick is due this summer, it's a different story -- or no story. "Is it
a big deal that's everyone's naked when everyone's naked?" asks Servais.
In Europe, then, clearly neither moral outrage nor public disorder
greets nudity. Men don't go wild, women remain safe and the zero fashion
statement remains just that, something with zero impact.
Taylor, who has fully adapted to Dutch ways, has taken her American
sisters to the sauna when they visit and watched their transition from
shock to comfort. "They're both overweight, so at first they were
horrified. But one of my sisters quickly got used to being naked and it
felt natural. When you see that other people are flabby and kind of
falling apart, it's OK," she says, laughing. "Listen, you got to check
out each other's parts, but seeing the Cesearean scars, fat rolls,
cellulite, eczema and aging bodies of the over 50s crowd puts it all in
perspective -- you realize how absolutely unique a gorgeous naked body
is. Americans might associate nudity with eroticism but here, it's only
associated with nakedness," she says.
But there is a glimmer of hope. Sometimes nudity can be a useful,
positive statement, even in the States. Like the World Naked Bike Ride,
a sort of "Critical *****" of cyclists organized to protest car culture,
promote sustainability practices and celebrate creative expression.
Organized by Conrad Schmidt, a South African living in Vancouver,
British Columbia, the international event is clothing optional.
"It's a way of challenging the stifling conformity we get here in
Vancouver and North America, and certainly nudity laws challenge a
system that needs shaking up," says Schmidt, who has been surprised how
trouble-free the rides have been on a whole, though in America, Chicago
tried to shut the event down and Los Angeles, never a hotbed of
community activism, boasted a larger police-to-participant ratio.
"In Portland, people are always riding naked these days, but what's
strange is they're apparently harassed more by the police when they're
clothed," he says. "Nudity is tough for law enforcement because it
involves the concept of indecent exposure. There's no good definition of
what's indecent about the human body."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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20 Apr 2007 09:47:57 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:26:37 -0700, stoney
<stoney@the.net> let us all know that:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
Because there are a lot of people who just shouldn't
be...knowwhatImean.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Auntie Lib" |
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20 Apr 2007 02:43:57 PM |
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On Apr 20, 12:26 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted April 19, 2007.
In the Netherlands people can be naked in their gardens, the beach and
recently the gym. But in America, even chocolate sculptures can't be
without clothes. What gives?
When Catholic protesters recently shut down a New York exhibit
displaying a naked, life-sized Jesus sculpted from chocolate, the outcry
wasn't totally unexpected. Labeled offensive by critics,
Ya know, I have always thought this to be the stupidest idea in a
totally stupid religion. Hundreds of thousands of people were
crucified, back in the day. NAKED! It was part of the torture; part
of the humiliation and degradation of what was a very public act.
Nowadays, people want their savior politically correct and "safe" for
viewing by the masses. Give 'em Christ suffering - but he better not
be naked, oh no! That crosses some sort of line! They figure they've
"cleaned" it up if they put clothes on the guy with bloody holes in
his hands and feet, slowly suffocating and bleeding to death hanging
from two sticks of wood.
Fucking hypocrites! I'd be a whole lot more impressed with their
"faith" if they looked at their beliefs (and their Bible) straight on,
acknowledging all its horror and ugliness, not whitewashed and
prettied up just enough to make them feel good about worshipping such
a "God."
elizabeth
aa#2098
EAC Director of Useless Endeavors
Vice-Chairman Of The Committee On Wasting Time
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"I was born with a skeptical mind. Now I ask you, is that fair?
If God gives me a skeptical nature and you an accepting one, then
you're going to be a believer and I'm not. If belief is a ticket to
eternal happiness, I'm definitely handicapped. God gives me a mind
capable of asking questions and what? I'm damned if I use it?"
F. Paul Wilson "The Haunted Air"
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| User: "jcon" |
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20 Apr 2007 04:54:22 PM |
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On Apr 20, 2:26 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
By Dara Colwell, AlterNet. Posted April 19, 2007.
In the Netherlands people can be naked in their gardens, the beach and
recently the gym. But in America, even chocolate sculptures can't be
without clothes. What gives?
The only word to describe the American hang up about nudity is
"bizarre". Look at our movie rating system. You can show incredible
amounts of violence and laughable levels of sexual *innuendo* and
still get a mild (PG) rating, or even be on television, but the
*briefest*
shot of a naked breast will earn an R. This has actually gone
backwards since the 70's, when a PG movie could still
contain "brief nudity".
Heck, look at the ridiculous reaction to Janet Jackson's
"wardrobe malfunction". I was at a Superbowl party watching
the game, and it happened so fast that we couldn't
even agree whether it had actually occurred. The next thing
I know, I was reading articles about how whole families were
"traumatized" by the event.
There's a great Penn and Teller "*****" episode about
this whole issue, if you have the opportunity to watch it.
-jc
When Catholic protesters recently shut down a New York exhibit
displaying a naked, life-sized Jesus sculpted from chocolate, the outcry
wasn't totally unexpected. Labeled offensive by critics, the artwork
touched an angry nerve by pushing religion and nudity -- two substances
that historically don't mix -- into the limelight. While the media was
quick to exploit the story, it also expressed surprising modesty when it
came to the naked Christ, avoiding the full frontal and opting for
photos of the Lord's backside.
But in Europe, and particularly the Netherlands, where bakeries display
anatomically correct marzipan nudes in their front windows right next to
chocolate bunnies and chicks, such furor over confectionary draws a
complete blank. On this side of the Atlantic, when it comes to nudity,
Europeans happily assert they've got absolutely nothing to hide.
"The Netherlands is a liberal country where public nakedness is allowed,
and that's the way it should be -- that's why there's a law for it,"
says Ragna Verwer of the Dutch Naturist Federation (NFN), a
70,000-member-strong organization established to expand naturist
activities.
According to Verwer, 1.9 million Dutch regularly get nude, going to nude
beaches or stripping down in their own gardens, though she estimates the
numbers are much higher as NFN doesn't include sauna-goers in its
research. "Naked recreation is well accepted here. But we have to take
care that things stay this way, which is why we often discuss these
matters with local city councils and recreation areas to create more
places."
Legally, in Netherlands people are allowed to be naked anywhere except
public roads or when they annoy others, a law in play since 1986. It is
not uncommon to find nude swimming sessions at public swimming pools,
nude or topless beaches. Recently, Fitworld, a gym in Heteren in the
eastern Netherlands, introduced Naked Sunday, offering locals the
opportunity for bare workouts. This quickly proved a popular idea -- at
least with journalists, photographers and television crews, who easily
outnumbered participants on the opening day.
"I've done interviews with people from Russia, Ireland, Canada,
Australia, America and Turkey," says Fitworld's owner, Patrick de Man,
who says Naked Sunday was in part a competitive response to other gyms
offering pole dancing courses, but also a response to a request from two
of his naturist clients. De Man says the amount of attention he received
both from home and abroad was surprising because "being naked is
absolutely normal here," though admittedly, bare bench presses were
totally new to Holland. But the owner has also received complaints from
locals, mostly about sanitation, and at least one member wrote on the
club's website that he was switching gyms.
"A lot people from the church have sent me letters about God and stuff
like that. But I tell them God was the first man of naturism. He and
Adam and Eve were all naked on Earth," says de Man, taking the criticism
rather pragmatically. True -- at least until the couple donned their
first fig leaves, provoking centuries of subsequent debate.
"Nudity is definitely not shocking or even arousing," says Mandy
Servais, a customer at Amsterdam's Sauna Deco, in a robe wrapped loosely
around her body, which for all intents and purposes, was naked, as Dutch
saunas are visited in the buff. Says Servais, who has frequented saunas
since she was a teen, "I think as a society we're very simple and take a
practical approach to sex and nudity. We think that everything that
exists is normal so there's no need to make a fuss. We're not really
occupied with what others think."
Verwer mirrors Servais' response. "I think the Dutch believe let
everyone have their dignity and do what they enjoy most. This isn't just
how we think about naked recreation, the same goes for gays --everyone's
accepted," she says.
While the Dutch seem to accept that underneath their clothing everyone's
naked, the same laissez-faire attitude doesn't apply in the States,
where the public has been schooled in the cultural ideology that "nude
is naughty," and nudity is regarded as sexual.
Perhaps much of this attitude can be chalked down to America's cultural
forefathers, the Puritans, whose deeply religious moral zeal made them
fear nudity so much they refused to bathe, ensuring a future of national
prudishness.
This might appear a huge contradiction given the American media's
rampant appetite for sex, but how else to explain the fury over Janet
Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" and the network's rush to cleanup
before facing clampdowns and stiff fines? Or PBS's need to position the
disclaimer "For mature audiences only" when broadcasting footage of
Michelangelo's David.
A further inconsistency when it comes to nudity is what Americans regard
as risqu=E9: barely clad Victoria Secret models strutting their way across
television or nude grandmothers? As Dove soap found out this March, it's
the latter. The Federal Communications Commission, which regulates
America's broadcast media, banned a series of prime-time ads depicting
six middle-aged women posing nude for Dove Proage products, claiming it
was inappropriate, though the ads ran successfully in Europe and Canada.
Ironically, Dove's parent company is the Anglo-Dutch giant Unilever.
While a number of pro-family and women's groups complained the ad
contributed to the further commercial sexualization of women -- an
ongoing and valid debate -- clearly, older nudity is threatening because
our culture rarely separates nakedness from sex, which is something the
elder crowd, at least until Viagra, wasn't supposed to be having.
On a similar note, in 2004 Wal-Mart, never one to balk at profits,
refused to sell Jon Stewart's book "America," which featured doctored
nude photos of Supreme Court judges. Old, saggy bodies were simply too
offensive compared to, say, the number of slasher films Wal-Mart also
carries.
Of the Dove Proage ads, says Claire Taylor, who works in international
advertising, including projects with Ogilvy & Mather, the company
responsible for the Dove ad campaign, "If the ad featured 20-year olds,
there'd be no problem. It's so hypocritical."
Taylor, an American who has lived in Amsterdam for the last 25 years,
thinks the negative reaction stateside is due to "puritanical
prudishness," which doesn't balk at violence or soft porn on television,
yet is offended by older nudity. "Now seeing older bodies -- that's
reality TV if you want reality," Taylor quips.
Another, perhaps sobering, reality: America has the highest teenage
pregnancy rate in the industrialized world, according to the American
Association of Pediatrics, and a rate that exceeds the Dutch by
nine-fold. A healthy attitude to nudity as well as sex, something the
Dutch are regaled for, might have a positive impact as more exposure
typically leads to greater information.
Still, in America, being naked remains complex. Because our associations
are often limited to porn, hippy naturalists, or the $400 million a year
nude recreation industry, nudity is either seen as sexual or a gimmick.
Take journalistic "undercover" exposes -- a choice phrase, given the
situation -- on nudists at play ("Just look at those guys playing
tennis!").
Or the media's buzz over photographer Spencer Tunick and his nude
landscapes. Tunick, who specializes in photographing hundreds of naked
bodies sprawled together in abstract forms against an urban backdrop,
has definitely pushed social boundaries at home. But in Amsterdam, where
Tunick is due this summer, it's a different story -- or no story. "Is it
a big deal that's everyone's naked when everyone's naked?" asks Servais.
In Europe, then, clearly neither moral outrage nor public disorder
greets nudity. Men don't go wild, women remain safe and the zero fashion
statement remains just that, something with zero impact.
Taylor, who has fully adapted to Dutch ways, has taken her American
sisters to the sauna when they visit and watched their transition from
shock to comfort. "They're both overweight, so at first they were
horrified. But one of my sisters quickly got used to being naked and it
felt natural. When you see that other people are flabby and kind of
falling apart, it's OK," she says, laughing. "Listen, you got to check
out each other's parts, but seeing the Cesearean scars, fat rolls,
cellulite, eczema and aging bodies of the over 50s crowd puts it all in
perspective -- you realize how absolutely unique a gorgeous naked body
is. Americans might associate nudity with eroticism but here, it's only
associated with nakedness," she says.
But there is a glimmer of hope. Sometimes nudity can be a useful,
positive statement, even in the States. Like the World Naked Bike Ride,
a sort of "Critical *****" of cyclists organized to protest car culture,
promote sustainability practices and celebrate creative expression.
Organized by Conrad Schmidt, a South African living in Vancouver,
British Columbia, the international event is clothing optional.
"It's a way of challenging the stifling conformity we get here in
Vancouver and North America, and certainly nudity laws challenge a
system that needs shaking up," says Schmidt, who has been surprised how
trouble-free the rides have been on a whole, though in America, Chicago
tried to shut the event down and Los Angeles, never a hotbed of
community activism, boasted a larger police-to-participant ratio.
"In Portland, people are always riding naked these days, but what's
strange is they're apparently harassed more by the police when they're
clothed," he says. "Nudity is tough for law enforcement because it
involves the concept of indecent ...
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| User: "Hatter" |
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20 Apr 2007 03:14:11 PM |
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On Apr 20, 3:26 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
Because we are generally fat. Too much Chocolate Jesus.
OK because we are still stuck in the semi-theocratic stage that Europe
was about in 1946
Hatter
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20 Apr 2007 11:37:25 PM |
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On Apr 20, 3:26 pm, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/50732/
Why Are Americans Afraid of Being Naked?
They're not. You want to see nudity? You'll have to pay for it. It's
the "American Way".
Olrik
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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20 Apr 2007 03:09:37 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, stoney <stoney@the.net> bloodied us up with
this:
In the Netherlands people can be naked in their gardens, the beach and
recently the gym. But in America, even chocolate sculptures can't be
without clothes. What gives?
If a person is not offended by anything, said person is not living in a
free society. America, the Land of the Free, is losing its freedom to the
Religious Right, who is attempting to construct a society of identical
robotic clones.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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