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"What Causes Gayness" |
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29 Jan 2005 10:48:39 PM |
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Why are Gay Men Gay? |
I have never understood what makes a gay man gay. Yes, we all know
that gay men like other men. So do women. Gay men love *****. So do
women. But gay men love ***** in a different way than women do. Gay
men become obsessed with ***** in a way that women don't. Male
homosexuality is a ***** cult. You can see this clearly in gayporn.
The ***** is shaved and often portrayed up close, divorcing it from the
person it is attached to. Most importantly, it is almost always shown
fully erect. The appeal for gay men is the ***** itself. For women,
it's more about the man that's attached to the *****. His looks. His
personality. How he is as a provider, companion, and life partner.
For most women, the only thing important about the ***** is how well it
fills her up when it is inside the vagina. That feeling of fullness
is very important to a woman's sense of satisfaction. But aside from
that, they don't obsess about ***** the way gay men do. Gay men love
anal play. They have all sorts of gadgets for stretching the *****.
On the internet you can find some very disturbing pictures of anuses
stretched beyond belief. Gay men also love to go down on the *****,
suck it, deep throat it, they have invented all sorts of techniques
for giving it blow jobs. You see in gay porn all that exagerated hand
and wrist motion and the way they stuff the ***** in their mouths
voraciously. Very few women can give head like that. And most gay
men love semen, they love to get it all over their faces, they love
the hot jism hitting them in the face when it shoots straight out of
the *****, and they love to suck the ***** dry afterwards. Most women
tend to move their face sideways to avoid a straight on ***** shot.
So what is it that causes this perversion in some men called
homosexuality? It is obvious that it is Satan tempting them. That's
why all gay men must heed the word of the Holy Bible and accept Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior before it's too late. We're living in
the end times. The end is near. There are many Christian ex-gay
groups that will help you get cured of your homosexual perversion.
Testimonials of thousands of ex-gays prove it. Call your nearest
church, they can put you in touch with some ex-gays in your community
who will take you into their loving ministry.
REPENT NOW!!! ACCEPT LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!!!
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| User: "kevin" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Gay Men Gay? |
30 Jan 2005 07:47:54 AM |
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"Sam" <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:XX%Kd.17852$5R.15807@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Me wrote:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
many gays have kids: in vitro, closeted, random sperm/egg mishaps
Something in our nature demands some gays, so the gene is the way it is.
"God" wanted it that way, that's why we're here. So quit messing with us or
S/He will be pissed.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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30 Jan 2005 01:52:00 AM |
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On 29 Jan 2005 23:21:59 -0800, "Me" <totschen@hotmail.com> drained his
beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed
the following
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
Not if it's a weird recessive combination of expressions that all need
to come together to trigger homosexuality.
From what I've seen, sexual orientation is about as randomly
distributed as handiness. I'm the only leftie in my family going back
three generations on both sides. Something in my genetic structure
made me right-brain dominant.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Gay Men Gay? |
31 Jan 2005 01:35:59 AM |
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On 29 Jan 2005 23:21:59 -0800, "Me" <totschen@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
The gene for sexuality bred out? That's called extinction. (It's
most likely the same gene - hetero- or homosexuality.)
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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31 Jan 2005 07:11:12 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 29 Jan 2005 23:21:59 -0800, "Me" <totschen@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature
version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
The gene for sexuality bred out? That's called extinction. (It's
most likely the same gene - hetero- or homosexuality.)
--
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or
half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to
shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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rukbat at verizon dot net
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
What does that possibility mean theistically? If there is free will
then does God affect random prenatal conditions in pregnant women? If
it is not genetic or chosen behavior but random circumstance what does
that mean?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:42:41 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2005 05:11:12 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
Back up one step. Homosexuality is a *preference*, the same as
heterosexuality is. We, as descendents of an anthropoid, prefer sweet
to bitter. Can you show *that* as due to "conditional environs" too?
I mean now, not 35 million years ago. If not, why is one universal
preference genetic while another one isn't?
--
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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01 Feb 2005 04:15:29 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:11:12 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at
androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain
even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
Back up one step. Homosexuality is a *preference*, the same as
heterosexuality is. We, as descendents of an anthropoid, prefer
sweet
to bitter. Can you show *that* as due to "conditional environs" too?
I mean now, not 35 million years ago. If not, why is one universal
preference genetic while another one isn't?
--
Read it again. I was careful to point out that it was just an average
result based on a sample of gay men and women. It seems obvious that if
it is a factor it is not the only variable contributing to sexual
orientation. You are correct in observing that there are all sorts of
sexual attractions. Some of them quite unique.
I thought it was interesting that the conclusions were more repeatable
with lesbians. That leads to the theory that women are more
consistently affected by androgens in the prenatal period than men. It
makes some sense to me as heterosexual. I have a hypothesis that some
men are born more effeminate then others. Maybe I'm wrong....
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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rukbat at verizon dot net
I like your quote by the way.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:50:19 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2005 02:15:29 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:11:12 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
Back up one step. Homosexuality is a *preference*, the same as
heterosexuality is. We, as descendents of an anthropoid, prefer sweet
to bitter. Can you show *that* as due to "conditional environs" too?
I mean now, not 35 million years ago. If not, why is one universal
preference genetic while another one isn't?
Read it again. I was careful to point out that it was just an average
result based on a sample of gay men and women.
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
It seems obvious that if
it is a factor it is not the only variable contributing to sexual
orientation.
If anything is a factor it's not the only contributing factor.
I thought it was interesting that the conclusions were more repeatable
with lesbians. That leads to the theory that women are more
consistently affected by androgens in the prenatal period than men. It
makes some sense to me as heterosexual. I have a hypothesis that some
men are born more effeminate then others. Maybe I'm wrong....
Almost ALL people run along a spectrum from totally female to totally
male. Almost no one is totally either. This is very old news.
--
I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures
or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither
can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives
its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter-
nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist-
ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a
portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature.
- Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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01 Feb 2005 04:43:21 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 02:15:29 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:11:12 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at
androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with
the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain
even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated
with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference
in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
Back up one step. Homosexuality is a *preference*, the same as
heterosexuality is. We, as descendents of an anthropoid, prefer
sweet
to bitter. Can you show *that* as due to "conditional environs"
too?
I mean now, not 35 million years ago. If not, why is one
universal
preference genetic while another one isn't?
Read it again. I was careful to point out that it was just an
average
result based on a sample of gay men and women.
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago?
Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
It seems obvious that if
it is a factor it is not the only variable contributing to sexual
orientation.
If anything is a factor it's not the only contributing factor.
I thought it was interesting that the conclusions were more
repeatable
with lesbians. That leads to the theory that women are more
consistently affected by androgens in the prenatal period than men.
It
makes some sense to me as heterosexual. I have a hypothesis that
some
men are born more effeminate then others. Maybe I'm wrong....
Almost ALL people run along a spectrum from totally female to totally
male. Almost no one is totally either. This is very old news.
It's news to me. Too politically sensitive to discuss with gays...
--
I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures
or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither
can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives
its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter-
nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist-
ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a
portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature.
- Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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01 Feb 2005 04:39:54 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 02:15:29 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 31 Jan 2005 05:11:12 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
This discussion is leaving out the third option. You are debating
genetics and psychological behavior but the third is conditional
environs. The most recent evidence I have heard about looks at
androgen
levels. The found a higher average level of androgens during
pregnancy. This makes sense to me. If anybody is injected with
the
opposite sex's hormones a complete personality change is certain
even
as adults. It is not absolute. It just seems to be associated
with
sexual orientation. Not all gays were exposed to any difference
in
androgen levels in the prenatal period.
Back up one step. Homosexuality is a *preference*, the same as
heterosexuality is. We, as descendents of an anthropoid, prefer
sweet
to bitter. Can you show *that* as due to "conditional environs"
too?
I mean now, not 35 million years ago. If not, why is one
universal
preference genetic while another one isn't?
Read it again. I was careful to point out that it was just an
average
result based on a sample of gay men and women.
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago?
Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
It seems obvious that if
it is a factor it is not the only variable contributing to sexual
orientation.
If anything is a factor it's not the only contributing factor.
I thought it was interesting that the conclusions were more
repeatable
with lesbians. That leads to the theory that women are more
consistently affected by androgens in the prenatal period than men.
It
makes some sense to me as heterosexual. I have a hypothesis that
some
men are born more effeminate then others. Maybe I'm wrong....
Almost ALL people run along a spectrum from totally female to totally
male. Almost no one is totally either. This is very old news.
--
I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures
or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither
can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives
its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter-
nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist-
ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a
portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature.
- Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2005 06:27:32 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then? (A
link to the study would be nice.)
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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01 Feb 2005 06:30:03 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these
people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago?
Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens
in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then? (A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
--
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.
Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the
religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not,
and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world
of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2005 09:14:11 PM |
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On 1 Feb 2005 16:30:03 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then? (A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
--
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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03 Feb 2005 12:08:07 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 16:30:03 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these
people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years
ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of
androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then?
(A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
--
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
It is in the third chronological post in this topic as they are ordered
in alt.atheism. But here is is again:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Maybe you don't see it because you are in a different forum. I don't
appreciate being alluded to as a liar if that is what you are doing.
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| User: "Roberto" |
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03 Feb 2005 09:11:38 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:1107410887.232828.55690@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 16:30:03 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these
people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years
ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of
androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then?
(A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
--
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
It is in the third chronological post in this topic as they are ordered
in alt.atheism. But here is is again:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Maybe you don't see it because you are in a different forum. I don't
appreciate being alluded to as a liar if that is what you are doing.
I like this idea about epigenetics (i.e. something not genetic, but rather
after genetics, when the foetus develops). I'm not sure I'll take the point
about fingers anyway.
I think you're right about gay fascination for the penis, and the overall
narcisism around that. I'm more like women, I prefer real men and real
women.
I have a creative thinking proposal about sexuality, as seen from a
cognitive science point of view.
I think the erogenous zones have basically two shapes, corresponding to two
very basic topologies, sphere (bump) and torus (hole). These topologies
correspond to a positive curvature radius (sphere) and a negative one
(torus).
Male have more bumps and less holes, and women more holes and less bumps.
That's why primitively, woman is associated with the hole, and man with the
pole.
However, men and women both develop both types of erogenous zones.
Gay men would be men that just *make the most* of their sexual posibilities,
by maximizing the use of their erogenous zones, while forming unions with
*two-poles*. Lesbian women on the contrary would form unions with *no-pole*.
As per this basic clasification, gay men could be clasified in reciprocating
(suckers) and alternating (fuckers). And women would be clasified in
*no-****** ladies (suckers), and ******-sharing* ladies (toy players).
Since the hole-pole symetry has been assimilated by the orthosexual people
(i.e. heterosexual) to male-female symetry, this maps wrongly homosexual
people into fake female (or male for women) role. Whereas I think many gay
or lesbian just would not become transsexual in any case.
There is a point to say this, because in some countries, like China,
transsexualism is the only government-approved alternative for homosexuals,
as the official sexual science admits people can be of the wrong gender, but
not that they can be homosexual. So people are allowed to change sex in
China, surprisingly, as a way of enforcing at all price the male-female
symetry.
I suspect bthere is also another point to tackle erogenous zones, i.e. skin
issue regarding sexuality and the way one builds its relation to the other
one.
Skin is the organ that allows to perceive inside and outside. That is,
identity, before being knowledge of WHO you are, must be basically the
knowledge of WHERE you are. Hence a topology issue.
Consider a foetus for instance. It is an "inside" but it almost does not
have an "inside". The lungs and intestine are not operating yet. It does
have a heart, but yet, the big rumble over there is it's mother's heart, i.e
the outside is it's mother. it is itself the inside.
Then the first feeling of inside-outside comes (well, would come, it's just
creative thinking, I'm not claiming anything) when the foetus sucks itsthumb
for the first time, intra-utero. It then develops a sensation of
inside-outside baed on bump (thumb) and hole (mouth, lips, a torus, annular
zone).
Then the foetus is born, and the whole topology is changing. It first comes
to have an inside (digestion, breath), and of course, now there is gravity,
i.e up and down (which has been used by many religions to figure good and
evil, that's an other story, from topology to cosmology)
I suspect that a good deal about sexuality derives from this inside-outside
identity search, and has to do with very basic neuroscience. The skin and
the brain develop both from similar layers from the embryo. Topology is a
basic perception for the skin and the brain as well. I'm sure there is a
very interesting issue in this field.
I think homosexuality is in many cases much different from a male-female
issue.
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On 2 Feb 2005 22:08:07 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
It is in the third chronological post in this topic as they are ordered
in alt.atheism.
Not all of us post from Google. :)
But here is is again:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Okay - with lesbians. You didn't make that quite clear (or I missed
it). That makes sense. Since we all fall somewhere on a scale of
totally female to totally male (with almost no one at either extreme),
a female fetus exposed to high testosterone levels could end up
further toward the male side, while still being anatomically and
genetically female. Assuming that the correspondence of intra-uterine
testosterone exposure to finger length is real.
But, as Gregory Herick says, that may be one cause, but it's almost
certainly not the only cause.
Maybe you don't see it because you are in a different forum. I don't
appreciate being alluded to as a liar if that is what you are doing.
I was asking because I wanted to read the original source, not because
I doubted that there was one, or that I thought you were lying.
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03 Feb 2005 12:18:52 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 16:30:03 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these
people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years
ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of
androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then?
(A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
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On further thought I realized you must be referring to the actual study
done. I only speculated on the researchers conclusions. I spent a few
seconds on Google and found these for you:
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:PsljafAP1uoJ:www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/readings/homofinger/homo_finger.html+%22Marc+Breedlove%22&hl=en
B.M. Cooke, S.M. Breedlove & C.L. Jordan (2003) Both estrogen receptors
and androgen receptors contribute to testosterone-induced changes in
the morphology of the medial amygdala and sexual arousal in male rats.
Hormones and Behavior, 43: 336-346.
You can find out more about his research at his site:
http://www.marcbreedlove.com
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08 Feb 2005 09:33:56 PM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
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Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 16:30:03 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 1 Feb 2005 14:39:54 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said
in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
They have intrauterine androgen levels from the time these
people's
mothers were pregnant with them? From 20,30 or even 40 years
ago? Or
are you just saying that there are differing levels of
androgens in
different pregnant women's bloodstreams?
The mothers androgen levels when pregnant.
From how long ago? And why were they recording them back then?
(A
link to the study would be nice.)
Its in my post from the 29th.
Link? The post I responded to had no link to any study and no reason
they would have kept records of androgen levels that long ago.
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out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
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On further thought I realized you must be referring to the actual study
done. I only speculated on the researchers conclusions. I spent a few
seconds on Google and found these for you:
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:PsljafAP1uoJ:www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/readings/homofinger/homo_finger.html+%22Marc+Breedlove%22&hl=en
B.M. Cooke, S.M. Breedlove & C.L. Jordan (2003) Both estrogen receptors
and androgen receptors contribute to testosterone-induced changes in
the morphology of the medial amygdala and sexual arousal in male rats.
Hormones and Behavior, 43: 336-346.
You can find out more about his research at his site:
http://www.marcbreedlove.com
There is also a definite cultural blend on homosexuality. It is far
different in latin countries and in anglo-saxon countries. In latin
countries, many behaviours that would seem normal straight for anglo-saxons
are considered sissy. On the contrary, many anglo-saxons consider the way
latin people touch each other as clearly homosexual, whereas it is not most
of the time.
I found a very interesting gay free spanish site that shows a choice of gay
pictures made by latin people (i.e the pictures are not latin, but the
choice is, like a DJ doesn't play the music, but it choses it), and it is
much much different from the gross gay porn anglo-saxon sites.
http://www.menbox.com/sections.php?section=1
the entry is the black on yellow box *entrar a las galerias*
the password in february is 808182
Imho it is a very good gay site that shows many aspects of male
homosexuality, most of the time from the point of view of a curious person,
and not in a vulgar manner. And of course in a familial, familiar, latin
point of view.
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08 Feb 2005 10:16:15 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:33:56 -0500, "Roberto"
<Robertolmost@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
There is also a definite cultural blend on homosexuality. It is far
different in latin countries and in anglo-saxon countries. In latin
countries, many behaviours that would seem normal straight for anglo-saxons
are considered sissy. On the contrary, many anglo-saxons consider the way
latin people touch each other as clearly homosexual
No intelligent anglo does. Homophobes may, but homophobes consider
"gay" to mean "something I'm not comfortable with", whether it has any
sexual connotation or not.
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09 Feb 2005 05:38:57 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> escribió en el mensaje
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:33:56 -0500, "Roberto"
<Robertolmost@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
There is also a definite cultural blend on homosexuality. It is far
different in latin countries and in anglo-saxon countries. In latin
countries, many behaviours that would seem normal straight for
anglo-saxons
are considered sissy. On the contrary, many anglo-saxons consider the way
latin people touch each other as clearly homosexual
No intelligent anglo does. Homophobes may, but homophobes consider
"gay" to mean "something I'm not comfortable with", whether it has any
sexual connotation or not.
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I'm afraid you're right. I couldn't figure it out properly, but that's
exactly it.
You know, Freud wrote a book about religion when he was 18, called "The
Future Of An Illusion", where he explains that religion has many common
features with neurosis, such as manic ritual behaviors, and irrational
beliefs nobody can prove which are close to psychic hallucinatory disorders.
The key introductory sentence to this book is the following :
"The man of faith and belief is eminently protected against the dangers of
some neurotic disorders : adopting the universal neurosis spares him the
need to develop its own personal one"
So I guess you're right. Homophoby, which is common to most if not all
religions, is a form of theologised neurosis where the patient identifies
other's behaviors he feels uncomfortable with as vicious unnatural
behaviours. I've always been convinced that racism and homophoby were
psychic disorders. Thanks for the enlightment.
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09 Feb 2005 08:45:02 PM |
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:38:57 -0500, "Roberto"
<Robertolmost@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
You know, Freud wrote a book about religion when he was 18, called "The
Future Of An Illusion", where he explains that religion has many common
features with neurosis, such as manic ritual behaviors, and irrational
beliefs nobody can prove which are close to psychic hallucinatory disorders.
The key introductory sentence to this book is the following :
"The man of faith and belief is eminently protected against the dangers of
some neurotic disorders : adopting the universal neurosis spares him the
need to develop its own personal one"
Read between the lines. He was stopping short of calling religion a
neurosis because he had an allergy to being dismembered. But it *is*
a neurosis.
So I guess you're right. Homophoby, which is common to most if not all
religions, is a form of theologised neurosis where the patient identifies
other's behaviors he feels uncomfortable with as vicious unnatural
behaviours.
Homophobia is actually simpler than that in many cases. The homophobe
is either afraid of "catching" it, or he knows, in his subconscious,
that he's homosexual and he's afraid to admit it to himself. He hates
what he is, so he hates anyone else who is what he is.
I've always been convinced that racism and homophoby were
psychic disorders. Thanks for the enlightment.
Racism is just "I have to be better than *someone*" syndrome. You'll
find that most racists *aren't* "better" than a lot of others they see
all the time. The KKK membership isn't among the wealthiest.
--
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
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10 Feb 2005 07:02:20 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> escribió en el mensaje
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:38:57 -0500, "Roberto"
<Robertolmost@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
You know, Freud wrote a book about religion when he was 18, called "The
Future Of An Illusion", where he explains that religion has many common
features with neurosis, such as manic ritual behaviors, and irrational
beliefs nobody can prove which are close to psychic hallucinatory
disorders.
The key introductory sentence to this book is the following :
"The man of faith and belief is eminently protected against the dangers of
some neurotic disorders : adopting the universal neurosis spares him the
need to develop its own personal one"
Read between the lines. He was stopping short of calling religion a
neurosis because he had an allergy to being dismembered. But it *is*
a neurosis.
Well, you can't blame an 18 years old genious in the eighteenth century to
avoid saying religion is a neurosis. At the time nobody knew what was a
neurosis, anyway. As his main point was to define the neurosis, the better
explanation was medical, not saying that religion is, for instance, a
neurosis.
So I guess you're right. Homophoby, which is common to most if not all
religions, is a form of theologised neurosis where the patient identifies
other's behaviors he feels uncomfortable with as vicious unnatural
behaviours.
Homophobia is actually simpler than that in many cases. The homophobe
is either afraid of "catching" it, or he knows, in his subconscious,
that he's homosexual and he's afraid to admit it to himself. He hates
what he is, so he hates anyone else who is what he is.
To make it short, yes, you're probably right. But I'm reluctant to explain
homophobia by homosexuality and vice versa. Imo, it is a bit like explaining
antisemitism by the jews.
I think the heterosexual is not comfortable with it's own body, and then
looks for the other gender. The homophobe is one step beyond. The racist
also, but in an other direction.
I'd like to explain homophobia in terms of how you feel with yourself, the
others, the same ones, the different ones. Although, I know that doing this
just requires...to explain homosexuality as well, at least partially.
I've always been convinced that racism and homophoby were
psychic disorders. Thanks for the enlightment.
Racism is just "I have to be better than *someone*" syndrome. You'll
find that most racists *aren't* "better" than a lot of others they see
all the time. The KKK membership isn't among the wealthiest.
--
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
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10 Feb 2005 09:36:27 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:02:20 -0500, "Rod Burns" <morrainx@hotmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
To make it short, yes, you're probably right. But I'm reluctant to explain
homophobia by homosexuality and vice versa. Imo, it is a bit like explaining
antisemitism by the jews.
I think the heterosexual is not comfortable with it's own body, and then
looks for the other gender.
Oh, I don't know. I'm pretty far to the heterosexual extreme, but I'm
comfortable with my own sexuality. (When you're my age, and you've
been through some of what I've been through, you're not comfortable
with your own body for reasons having nothing to do with sex.)
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On 29 Jan 2005 23:21:59 -0800, "Me" <totschen@hotmail.com> wrote:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/13/wgay13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/13/ixworld.html
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30 Jan 2005 05:12:19 AM |
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in article 1107069718.977801.18270@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, Me at
totschen@hotmail.com wrote on 1/30/05 1:21 AM:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
Never heard of recessive traits, has he?
Not that I disagree on the conclusion... He just happens to be wrong in his
reasoning. I could point out a number of traits that will kill you before
breeding age, but are definitely genetic. Hemophilia immediately springs to
mind.
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02 Feb 2005 09:56:01 PM |
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"Tim McGaughy" <teekem@ispwest.com> escribió en el mensaje
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in article 1107069718.977801.18270@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, Me at
totschen@hotmail.com wrote on 1/30/05 1:21 AM:
I read an article recently that addressed the nurture vs nature version
of being gay. The author said that if homosexuality were hereditary
then shouldn't the gene have been bred out. Interesting idea IMHO
Never heard of recessive traits, has he?
Not that I disagree on the conclusion... He just happens to be wrong in
his
reasoning. I could point out a number of traits that will kill you before
breeding age, but are definitely genetic. Hemophilia immediately springs
to
mind.
Oh yes. One gay gene transmitted by women, and one lesbian gene transmitted
by men.
Total genetic plot, homosexuality is a stealthy genetic war of genders to
eliminate each other.
I love this one.
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31 Jan 2005 01:34:39 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:10:39 GMT, "doomella" <doomella@hotmail.com>
said in alt.atheism:
I thought Striperella and Dolly Parton exposure were linked to transvestim.
They're mostly linked to asexuality. (And horror and disgust.)
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human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
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30 Jan 2005 01:17:25 AM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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What Causes Gayness wrote:
I have never understood what makes a gay man gay.
Any man or boy who happens to glimpse Star Jones on tv while he has an
erection will automatically become gay. It is as simple as that. One glimpse
and he will never want to go near a woman again.
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30 Jan 2005 12:04:55 AM |
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What Causes Gayness wrote:
I have never understood what makes a gay man gay. Yes, we all know
that gay men like other men. So do women. Gay men love *****. So do
women. But gay men love ***** in a different way than women do. Gay
men become obsessed with ***** in a way that women don't. Male
homosexuality is a ***** cult. You can see this clearly in gayporn.
The ***** is shaved and often portrayed up close, divorcing it from
the
person it is attached to. Most importantly, it is almost always
shown
fully erect. The appeal for gay men is the ***** itself. For women,
it's more about the man that's attached to the *****. His looks. His
personality. How he is as a provider, companion, and life partner.
For most women, the only thing important about the ***** is how well
it
fills her up when it is inside the vagina. That feeling of fullness
is very important to a woman's sense of satisfaction. But aside from
that, they don't obsess about ***** the way gay men do. Gay men love
anal play. They have all sorts of gadgets for stretching the *****.
On the internet you can find some very disturbing pictures of anuses
stretched beyond belief. Gay men also love to go down on the *****,
suck it, deep throat it, they have invented all sorts of techniques
for giving it blow jobs. You see in gay porn all that exagerated
hand
and wrist motion and the way they stuff the ***** in their mouths
voraciously. Very few women can give head like that. And most gay
men love semen, they love to get it all over their faces, they love
the hot jism hitting them in the face when it shoots straight out of
the *****, and they love to suck the ***** dry afterwards. Most women
tend to move their face sideways to avoid a straight on ***** shot.
So what is it that causes this perversion in some men called
homosexuality? It is obvious that it is Satan tempting them. That's
why all gay men must heed the word of the Holy Bible and accept Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior before it's too late. We're living
in
the end times. The end is near. There are many Christian ex-gay
groups that will help you get cured of your homosexual perversion.
Testimonials of thousands of ex-gays prove it. Call your nearest
church, they can put you in touch with some ex-gays in your community
who will take you into their loving ministry.
REPENT NOW!!! ACCEPT LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!!!
That is too graphic. All sex is disgusting from an objective view
point. Bodily fluids, involuntary spasms. Gross!
Here is a possible newer answer to your question:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Hormone levels. Who'd a thunk it?"
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30 Jan 2005 12:32:47 AM |
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FreeThink wrote:
What Causes Gayness wrote:
I have never understood what makes a gay man gay. Yes, we all know
that gay men like other men. So do women. Gay men love *****. So do
women. But gay men love ***** in a different way than women do. Gay
men become obsessed with ***** in a way that women don't. Male
homosexuality is a ***** cult. You can see this clearly in gayporn.
The ***** is shaved and often portrayed up close, divorcing it from
the
person it is attached to. Most importantly, it is almost always
shown
fully erect. The appeal for gay men is the ***** itself. For women,
it's more about the man that's attached to the *****. His looks. His
personality. How he is as a provider, companion, and life partner.
For most women, the only thing important about the ***** is how well
it
fills her up when it is inside the vagina. That feeling of fullness
is very important to a woman's sense of satisfaction. But aside from
that, they don't obsess about ***** the way gay men do. Gay men love
anal play. They have all sorts of gadgets for stretching the *****.
On the internet you can find some very disturbing pictures of anuses
stretched beyond belief. Gay men also love to go down on the *****,
suck it, deep throat it, they have invented all sorts of techniques
for giving it blow jobs. You see in gay porn all that exagerated
hand
and wrist motion and the way they stuff the ***** in their mouths
voraciously. Very few women can give head like that. And most gay
men love semen, they love to get it all over their faces, they love
the hot jism hitting them in the face when it shoots straight out of
the *****, and they love to suck the ***** dry afterwards. Most women
tend to move their face sideways to avoid a straight on ***** shot.
So what is it that causes this perversion in some men called
homosexuality? It is obvious that it is Satan tempting them. That's
why all gay men must heed the word of the Holy Bible and accept Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior before it's too late. We're living
in
the end times. The end is near. There are many Christian ex-gay
groups that will help you get cured of your homosexual perversion.
Testimonials of thousands of ex-gays prove it. Call your nearest
church, they can put you in touch with some ex-gays in your community
who will take you into their loving ministry.
REPENT NOW!!! ACCEPT LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!!!
That is too graphic. All sex is disgusting from an objective view
point. Bodily fluids, involuntary spasms. Gross!
Here is a possible newer answer to your question:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Hormone levels. Who'd a thunk it?"
but have they found an explanation for heterosexuality?
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30 Jan 2005 12:35:42 AM |
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Sam wrote:
FreeThink wrote:
What Causes Gayness wrote:
I have never understood what makes a gay man gay. Yes, we all know
that gay men like other men. So do women. Gay men love *****. So
do
women. But gay men love ***** in a different way than women do.
Gay
men become obsessed with ***** in a way that women don't. Male
homosexuality is a ***** cult. You can see this clearly in gayporn.
The ***** is shaved and often portrayed up close, divorcing it from
the
person it is attached to. Most importantly, it is almost always
shown
fully erect. The appeal for gay men is the ***** itself. For
women,
it's more about the man that's attached to the *****. His looks.
His
personality. How he is as a provider, companion, and life partner.
For most women, the only thing important about the ***** is how well
it
fills her up when it is inside the vagina. That feeling of
fullness
is very important to a woman's sense of satisfaction. But aside
from
that, they don't obsess about ***** the way gay men do. Gay men
love
anal play. They have all sorts of gadgets for stretching the *****.
On the internet you can find some very disturbing pictures of
anuses
stretched beyond belief. Gay men also love to go down on the *****,
suck it, deep throat it, they have invented all sorts of techniques
for giving it blow jobs. You see in gay porn all that exagerated
hand
and wrist motion and the way they stuff the ***** in their mouths
voraciously. Very few women can give head like that. And most gay
men love semen, they love to get it all over their faces, they love
the hot jism hitting them in the face when it shoots straight out
of
the *****, and they love to suck the ***** dry afterwards. Most
women
tend to move their face sideways to avoid a straight on ***** shot.
So what is it that causes this perversion in some men called
homosexuality? It is obvious that it is Satan tempting them.
That's
why all gay men must heed the word of the Holy Bible and accept
Jesus
Christ as their Lord and Savior before it's too late. We're living
in
the end times. The end is near. There are many Christian ex-gay
groups that will help you get cured of your homosexual perversion.
Testimonials of thousands of ex-gays prove it. Call your nearest
church, they can put you in touch with some ex-gays in your
community
who will take you into their loving ministry.
REPENT NOW!!! ACCEPT LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR!!!
That is too graphic. All sex is disgusting from an objective view
point. Bodily fluids, involuntary spasms. Gross!
Here is a possible newer answer to your question:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/gay.fingers/
Hormone levels. Who'd a thunk it?"
but have they found an explanation for heterosexuality?
It's more of a proposal at this point. There does seem to be some
interesting statisical evidence but figures lie and liars figure...
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