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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Gerald Lorentz"
Date: 15 Sep 2005 05:19:44 AM
Object: Why atheism makes sense
This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/
.

User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 09:39:26 AM
"Gerald Lorentz" <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism

This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/

Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 09:54:53 AM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:39:26 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

"Gerald Lorentz" <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism

This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/


Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.

And about damn time too!
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 12:36:01 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said

Gerald Lorentz <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism

This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/

Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.

And about damn time too!

Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you know
where!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 01:27:28 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:36:01 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said

Gerald Lorentz <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism


This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/


Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.


And about damn time too!


Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you know
where!

Good morning!
I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.
After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.
Surrender now, or I'll get *really* sarcastic.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 01:45:37 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said

Gerald Lorentz <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism

This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/

Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.

And about damn time too!

Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you know
where!

Good morning!
I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.

How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?

After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.

One that you bow down to now that you know we're more powerful than
you! Wimp!

Surrender now, or I'll get *really* sarcastic.

I dare you!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 02:22:10 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:37 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said

Gerald Lorentz <lorentzg001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in alt.atheism


This site gives the best explanation for the acceptance of atheism:
http://www.glorentz.com/


Pretty good stuff, except it seems a bit Euro-centric to me.


And about damn time too!


Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you know
where!


Good morning!


I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.


How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?

As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system, albeit that
our atheist friends of Ms Rand apparently see no difference between
the IRS and an man with a chainsaw.

After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.


One that you bow down to now that you know we're more powerful than
you! Wimp!

For the moment, certainly. But the times, they are a changing....
Though I really rather preferred "Lay Lady Lay," with all that brass
bed stuff.

Surrender now, or I'll get *really* sarcastic.

I dare you!

I reserve my capacity (not "right") to do this as and when I choose
to. And might have done above!
But by the same token I am currently running a telecine on a 16mm
film, naked. Because it's bloody hot in here. Oh and watching the
complete Babylon 5, series 5, at the same time.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 03:19:43 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said

Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you
know where!

Good morning!
I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.

How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?

As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,

If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..
Those don't come cheap, ya know!
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 03:30:29 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:19:43 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said


Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you
know where!


Good morning!


I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.


How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?


As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,


If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..

Those don't come cheap, ya know!

Oh go on, gimmie a job.
Or legalise, right now.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 04:41:59 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said

Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you
know where!

Good morning!
I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.

How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?

As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,

If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..
Those don't come cheap, ya know!

Oh go on, gimmie a job.
Or legalise, right now.

We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot cocaine
and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 04:57:55 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:41:59 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said


Take your kings, queens, lords, and tea-taxes and shove them you
know where!


Good morning!


I want my tea taxes, and the rest of them back.


How about sharing some of those British East India opium profits and
taxes with the good citizens of the US?


As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,


If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..


Those don't come cheap, ya know!


Oh go on, gimmie a job.


Or legalise, right now.


We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot cocaine
and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?

Poor use of tech. Why not just ask.
Wander out on the street, and just ask.
Cheaper, easier, and much more fun.
Which is probably why I'll never get a job with Halliburton...
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 05:15:08 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis wrote:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,

If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..
Those don't come cheap, ya know!

Oh go on, gimmie a job.
Or legalise, right now.

We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot cocaine
and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?

Poor use of tech. Why not just ask.
Wander out on the street, and just ask.
Cheaper, easier, and much more fun.
Which is probably why I'll never get a job with Halliburton...

We're trying to get to the *root* of the problem, don't you see?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 05:27:11 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:08 GMT in alt.atheism, Elroy Willis (Elroy
Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis wrote:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism


As I understand it there is considerable potential for taxes as
regards several varieties of the recreational drug currently available
in the USA, and yet they prefer to put unimaginable amounts of money
in to the hands of criminals as opposed to the tax system,


If by "criminals" you mean the DEA, then I agree. We spend part of
our hard-earned tax money on fighting a drug war, instead of taxing
the drugs and drug lords. We're heaps smarter than you! The war on
drugs employs more tax-paying people to build the war machines than
taxing the drugs themselves... Super duper helicopters to fly in and
bomb the drug lords and their drug factories..


Those don't come cheap, ya know!


Oh go on, gimmie a job.


Or legalise, right now.


We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot cocaine
and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?


Poor use of tech. Why not just ask.


Wander out on the street, and just ask.


Cheaper, easier, and much more fun.


Which is probably why I'll never get a job with Halliburton...


We're trying to get to the *root* of the problem, don't you see?

Erm, no.
Please explain.
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 05:34:42 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis wrote:

We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot cocaine
and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?

Poor use of tech. Why not just ask.
Wander out on the street, and just ask.
Cheaper, easier, and much more fun.
Which is probably why I'll never get a job with Halliburton...

We're trying to get to the *root* of the problem, don't you see?

Erm, no.
Please explain.

Where the plants are actually grown, and have their *roots* in the
soil...
I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the US,
do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something else?
Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana plant?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 05:54:58 PM
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:qrbji110p2gvqjbda2io3g3mgpav75b0ok@4ax.com:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism Elroy Willis wrote:


We have need for night-vision camera technology which can spot
cocaine and marijuana plants at night. Are you interested?


Poor use of tech. Why not just ask.


Wander out on the street, and just ask.


Cheaper, easier, and much more fun.


Which is probably why I'll never get a job with Halliburton...


We're trying to get to the *root* of the problem, don't you see?


Erm, no.


Please explain.


Where the plants are actually grown, and have their *roots* in the
soil...

I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the US,
do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something else?
Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana plant?

It takes a *lot* of coca plants to make an economically worthwhile
amount of cocaine.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The fact of the matter is,
Bill, I've been black all my life,
nobody needs to tell me how to be black." - Condi Rice
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 16 Sep 2005 01:16:49 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the US,
do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something else?
Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana plant?

It takes a *lot* of coca plants to make an economically worthwhile
amount of cocaine.

What if you just chewed the leaves like the natives do?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 16 Sep 2005 02:39:51 PM
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:s4gli11sf23g5gg4lms8q6hp9fq02furdc@4ax.com:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in


I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the
US, do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something else?
Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana plant?


It takes a *lot* of coca plants to make an economically worthwhile
amount of cocaine.


What if you just chewed the leaves like the natives do?

It works just as well in tea.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 16 Sep 2005 03:01:51 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the
US, do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something else?
Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana plant?

It takes a *lot* of coca plants to make an economically worthwhile
amount of cocaine.

What if you just chewed the leaves like the natives do?

It works just as well in tea.

It would grow just fine in a closet or backyard, for personal use,
then? I've read that there's something about the climate in the areas
it naturally grows in that makes it special, but didn't know whether
to believe it or not.
BTW, is it illegal to grow tobacco in your closet or backyard here in
the US without reporting it to the government, if you don't sell it to
anyone else?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 16 Sep 2005 03:39:03 PM
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:bfmli1p8908uak0j039n5np5arp71isq04@4ax.com:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in


I don't actually know why people can't grow cocaine plants in the
US, do you? Something about altitude or humidity or something
else? Is it possible to grow them in a closet like a marijuana
plant?


It takes a *lot* of coca plants to make an economically worthwhile
amount of cocaine.


What if you just chewed the leaves like the natives do?


It works just as well in tea.


It would grow just fine in a closet or backyard, for personal use,
then? I've read that there's something about the climate in the areas
it naturally grows in that makes it special, but didn't know whether
to believe it or not.

I suppose it could be grown in a closet or a greenhouse. Not sure about
outdoors in the US. No surprise, I can't find any detailed gardening
info on it.

BTW, is it illegal to grow tobacco in your closet or backyard here in
the US without reporting it to the government, if you don't sell it to
anyone else?

Why would you want to?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 18 Sep 2005 03:57:14 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in

<snip>

BTW, is it illegal to grow tobacco in your closet or backyard here in
the US without reporting it to the government, if you don't sell it to
anyone else?

Why would you want to?

I thought it might be like making your own beer. There's a limit on
it, isn't there? So many gallons per year, for personal consumption,
without being subject to taxes...
Since the ATF is in charge of beer and alcohol, I thought maybe there
was some form that you had to fill out and a limit to how much tobacco
one can grow for personal use in their own backyard.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 18 Sep 2005 05:22:14 PM
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:p53ri15f1829t72t1s13p0vcfa9b64g2ne@4ax.com:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in


<snip>

BTW, is it illegal to grow tobacco in your closet or backyard here
in the US without reporting it to the government, if you don't sell
it to anyone else?


Why would you want to?


I thought it might be like making your own beer. There's a limit on
it, isn't there? So many gallons per year, for personal consumption,
without being subject to taxes...

In most states, it's 100 gallons for a single adult or 200 gallons for a
household with more than one adult. There are no forms or licenses
required. Some states do not specifically allow homebrewing, but I don't
think any of them actively prosecute beer or wine makers unless they're
selling the product without a license.

Since the ATF is in charge of beer and alcohol, I thought maybe there
was some form that you had to fill out and a limit to how much tobacco
one can grow for personal use in their own backyard.

I can't find anything on legalities of cultivation, there are probably
marketing boards that would regulate commercial crops.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
.
















User: ""

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 01:57:09 PM
Therion Ware wrote:

After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.

*cough* William the Conqueror *cough*.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.
User: "Therion Ware"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 02:25:09 PM
On 15 Sep 2005 06:57:09 -0700 in alt.atheism,

(
) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

Therion Ware wrote:

After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.


*cough* William the Conqueror *cough*.

Indeed.
Why do you think we spent so long persecuting the French, and indeed
today, owning a great many of their houses?
.
User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 02:59:34 PM
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism,

said

Therion Ware wrote:

After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.

*cough* William the Conqueror *cough*.

Indeed.
Why do you think we spent so long persecuting the French, and indeed
today, owning a great many of their houses?

I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 05:45:58 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:59:34 GMT, in alt.atheism , Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in
<jo2ji1t77rq05vvvr86euhcitngd3srkdg@4ax.com> wrote:

Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism

in alt.atheism,

said

Therion Ware wrote:


After all, your revolution was illegal, overthrowing as it did the
duly legally constituted authority: you are an illegal regime.


*cough* William the Conqueror *cough*.


Indeed.


Why do you think we spent so long persecuting the French, and indeed
today, owning a great many of their houses?


I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..

Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about. The most immediate
result of the translations (and, more to the point, general
availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the subsequent
wars that killed millions.
--
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User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 09:47:54 PM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in

I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..

Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.

Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...

The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the subsequent
wars that killed millions.

Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 15 Sep 2005 11:54:16 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:47:54 GMT, in alt.atheism , Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in
<8eqji15r1cgsuqlbgfdvi821cj7daf7dnh@4ax.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in


I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..


Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.


Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...

Except, of course, that they did not support "torturing and killing
anyone who tried to translate the Bible into English". Drawing
conclusions from false statements, even if they agree with your
prejudices, is not the best of ideas.

The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the subsequent
wars that killed millions.


Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...

You get more and more contemptuous over time.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 16 Sep 2005 01:02:20 PM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in

I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..

Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.

Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...

Except, of course, that they did not support "torturing and killing
anyone who tried to translate the Bible into English". Drawing
conclusions from false statements, even if they agree with your
prejudices, is not the best of ideas.

How did William Tyndale die, according to you?

The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the subsequent
wars that killed millions.

Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...

You get more and more contemptuous over time.

And you remain the same religion-reveling priest-pandering antagonist
that you've always been.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 19 Sep 2005 08:47:15 PM
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:02:20 GMT, in alt.atheism , Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in
<60fli1171r3q1phodj7sqtvhheu4m496nr@4ax.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in


I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..


Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.


Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...


Except, of course, that they did not support "torturing and killing
anyone who tried to translate the Bible into English". Drawing
conclusions from false statements, even if they agree with your
prejudices, is not the best of ideas.


How did William Tyndale die, according to you?

The how is not the question, the why is the question. He was not
killed simply for translating the Bible. That claim appears long after
his death.

The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the subsequent
wars that killed millions.


Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...


You get more and more contemptuous over time.


And you remain the same religion-reveling priest-pandering antagonist
that you've always been.

So which is it, am I a Jew or a Catholic? You accuse me of both so
figure it out. What I do object to is dehumanizing people by calling
them "godbots". Your contempt for other human beings is disgusting.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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http://www.savedarfur.org/
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User: "Elroy Willis"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 20 Sep 2005 01:01:19 PM
Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in

I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..

Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.

Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...

Except, of course, that they did not support "torturing and killing
anyone who tried to translate the Bible into English". Drawing
conclusions from false statements, even if they agree with your
prejudices, is not the best of ideas.

How did William Tyndale die, according to you?

The how is not the question, the why is the question. He was not
killed simply for translating the Bible. That claim appears long after
his death.

He had to flee to Germany to escape being killed by the church, while
he completed his translations didn't he?

The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the
subsequent wars that killed millions.

Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...

You get more and more contemptuous over time.

And you remain the same religion-reveling priest-pandering antagonist
that you've always been.

So which is it, am I a Jew or a Catholic? You accuse me of both so
figure it out.

I figure you have some Jews in your family and circle of friends, as
well as some Catholics, and you don't want to upset any of them, so
you pretend to support both of their beliefs, in order to not make
waves. They might Google up some of your posts you know...

What I do object to is dehumanizing people by calling
them "godbots". Your contempt for other human beings is disgusting.

Your support of superstition and the priests and rabbis disgusts me as
well. You're smarter than that, I think. You're in the same class as
Dave Oldridge. Dunno if you know of him or not. I've seen you
defend evolution with rigor and agree with almost everything you post
about it. It's a shame you can't do the same with religion and
superstition...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: Why atheism makes sense 21 Sep 2005 02:32:10 PM
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:01:19 GMT, in alt.atheism , Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> in
<pg10j153sqrov45ardrt3ohf7k5p4g6ota@4ax.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote in alt.atheism

Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> in


I watched an interesting show on the history channel this week about
the history of the English language. It seems that the Roman church
supported torturing and killing anyone who tried to translate the
Bible into English so that every man could read it for himself,
instead of it being kept in Latin, in the hands of the corrupt and
power-hungry clergy..


Did they? If so, that is rather distorted propaganda. And I want to
point out that the multitude of Protestant sects was precisely the
kind of thing that the Church was concerned about.


Oh, c'mon. They were afraid of losing their power over the people.
If the common man could read the Bible for himself, no need for
priests and clergy...


Except, of course, that they did not support "torturing and killing
anyone who tried to translate the Bible into English". Drawing
conclusions from false statements, even if they agree with your
prejudices, is not the best of ideas.


How did William Tyndale die, according to you?


The how is not the question, the why is the question. He was not
killed simply for translating the Bible. That claim appears long after
his death.


He had to flee to Germany to escape being killed by the church, while
he completed his translations didn't he?

But not simply for doing the translation. Calling the pope the
Anti-Christ was not exactly friendly.


The most immediate result of the translations (and, more to the point,
general availability due to printing) was the Reformation and the
subsequent wars that killed millions.


Yeah, godbots killing godbots over some stupid Bible, what a deal...


You get more and more contemptuous over time.


And you remain the same religion-reveling priest-pandering antagonist
that you've always been.


So which is it, am I a Jew or a Catholic? You accuse me of both so
figure it out.


I figure you have some Jews in your family and circle of friends, as
well as some Catholics, and you don't want to upset any of them, so
you pretend to support both of their beliefs, in order to not make
waves. They might Google up some of your posts you know...

Really? That is actually your explanation? Sheesh. If you are
projecting I feel so sorry for you for so many reasons. Not the least
is that by implication you don't have Jewish and Catholic (and so on)
friends. Yes, I do have friends and family who have different
religions and different views and different politics.
One of the things I take from that is to avoid non-thinking dislike
and rejection of new ideas, to avoid accepting statements simply
because they fit my prejudices. I have defended Jews, Catholics,
Moslems, and atheists on the Usenet. Not to avoid offending friends
and family who might be Jewish or Catholic or Moslem or atheist, but
because the particular charges were incorrect.

What I do object to is dehumanizing people by calling
them "godbots". Your contempt for other human beings is disgusting.


Your support of superstition

What support of superstition? You mean how I won't laugh at people
from 3,000 years ago for lacking our current knowledge?

and the priests and rabbis disgusts me as
well.

Since I have friends who are decent people who are priests and rabbis
I will defend the group from charges that they are all dishonest. I am
sorry if the truth disgusts you.

You're smarter than that, I think.

I know more than you do. And I suspect I have thought about it more
than you have.

You're in the same class as
Dave Oldridge. Dunno if you know of him or not.

Yep.

I've seen you
defend evolution with rigor and agree with almost everything you post
about it. It's a shame you can't do the same with religion and
superstition...

I defend both with the same rigor for the same reasons. I will you
could see that. The Catholic Church engaged in (as in started) the
Albigensian Crusade and the various Inquisitions and destroyed the
Mayan and Aztec records. If you had said that I would not have
commented. If you pointed out Mormon destruction of Native American
families in the 20th C, I would not have objected. The evidence would
have been on your side. But the Church did not torture people simply
for translating the Bible. The way to get me quiet on that is to
either agree or to show me contrary evidence.
--
Matt Silberstein
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