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26 Nov 2006 07:35:12 AM |
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Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
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26 Nov 2006 08:42:43 AM |
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<nafc@snet.net> wrote in message
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You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
Personally, we should do all christians a favor and kill them all, muslims
too, so that they all get to see their ***** sky pixie soon.
Then the rest of us on earth can finally live in peace without wars and
without "supreme beings" that demand that you murder you only son just to
satisfy his sick, twisted need for an ego boost
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:19:58 AM |
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<nafc@snet.net> wrote in message
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You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
good question: answer: because, underneath all of their horseshit about how
they worship their sky pixie, they know that the bible story is a TOTAL AND
COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP and that their god is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE FARCE
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| User: "Steve O" |
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26 Nov 2006 03:16:03 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
<nafc@snet.net> wrote in message
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You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
good question: answer: because, underneath all of their horseshit about how
they worship their sky pixie, they know that the bible story is a TOTAL AND
COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP and that their god is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE FARCE
That's what delusions are all about.
Pretending something exists when you know it doesn't.
I have had some experience of dealing with people suffering from mental
illness- it goes with my job.
At one time, I used to indulge them, and agree with any crazy thing they
might say- just to keep them
quiet, happy and compliant while I was dealing with them.
I've since learned that is a mistake.
All you need to do is quietly and calmly explain to them why they are
talking gibberish.
Surprisingly enough, quite a few snap out of it - it's almost as if they
know they are talking utter bollocks
but just can't help themselves.
On one level , they are aware of their madness but at the same time see
it as normal.
I see that a lot with theists too.
Steve O
a.a.2240 (Apathist Chapter)
"Faith doesn't move mountains- it levels buildings."
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| User: "" |
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01 Dec 2006 10:02:01 AM |
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schreef:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
I do not think it proves anything else then that the woman was
grieving.
Wouldn't you cry if someone you loved was forever happily married to
your rival
You expect to much altruism in a Christian;)
I forgot who but there is someone on this NG who is sure altruism
doesn't even exist!
And what if it does.
Who is to say the mother didn't think the child was going to hell?
Hell, the bible says only 144.000 shall be saved, all of them
Israelites.
If the mother wasn't of Jewish descent, there's your explanation!
I guess Christians cry as much as atheist do, maybe more.
Atheist aren't worried about hell, you know.
Peter van Velzen,
November 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:53:59 AM |
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wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
They grieve because in the back of their arrogant, faith deluded minds
there rings a constant question:
What if we're wrong?
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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28 Nov 2006 09:01:07 AM |
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wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
I'd like to admit 2 anecdotes.
(1) I have been to a funeral of a very religious family where there was
as much laughing and joy as crying. At the death bed they had their
hands up in anointment, speaking half in tongues, tears streaming down
their cheeks, laughing, talking to their god.
(2) I have talked to a religious person that expressed your exact
sentiment at a funeral. He said that if people really believed in God,
then a funeral should be a time of joy and not sadness.
I wouldn't expect many theists to be so rational or thoughtful about
it. Religion is often not the most important thing to a person. Many
people in the US convert to the religion of their spouse before
marriage. Obviously their spouse is more important than any religion
and they would convert to any religion for their spouse.
The only thing I would conclude is that the level of delusion is not
generally as strong as the sense of loss. I would not conclude that
they do not believe.
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| User: "" |
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16 Jan 2007 04:59:33 PM |
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wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
I'm not a writer, but a few years ago, I thought about writing a short
story that focused on this very point. Essentially, it pleases the
god-thingy when people die. The more the better. People like Hitler
and Stalin were given special status for helping so many people through
the unnecessary human life stage.
But as I said, I'm no writer, and soon after, some shiny object
distracted me.
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| User: "" |
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26 Nov 2006 02:20:48 PM |
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wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Farewell is always a time of emotion...
I was one day at the Heathrow aeroport when I saw a father crying
like a baby because his son was flying to Canada for study.
The son was about to hand his documentation for check when
he looked back and saw his father. He almost fell on the ground.
and started crying. Then the mother who until then was standing
there quietly started crying too. The young guy almost missed
his fl. Yet This too was a "good-bye for now"
as they hoped they would be seeing each other again. Nobody
was about to be burried
Draw the inference
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
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| User: "bob young" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:28:01 PM |
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wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Because heavens and gods are man made things,
nothing real about them,
but when reality actually hits home
all the myths are forgotten
as they say 'Truth will out'
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
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| User: "Sunshine" |
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27 Nov 2006 09:54:19 PM |
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Hello all
Recently I read this book which is very enlightening. This may be
helpful to some of us in this discussion :
http://www.amazon.com/When-Weeps-Joni-Eareckson-Tada/dp/0310211867
bob young wrote:
nafc@snet.net wrote:
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Because heavens and gods are man made things,
nothing real about them,
but when reality actually hits home
all the myths are forgotten
as they say 'Truth will out'
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
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16 Jan 2007 04:49:07 PM |
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nafc@snet.net
Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals?
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
Hello,
First of all, crying or not, the Bible does not not teach that all
good people go to Heaven when they die. Rather the Bible tells us that
they are 'sleeping' in their graves and are awaiting the promised
resurrection of Ac 24:15,
"and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a
resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." (NIV)
Yes, even the "wicked" will be resurrected. And of course while they
are in their graves, they experience no conscience existence anywhere
else. Ec 9:5,
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is
forgotten." (NIV)
Ps 146:3,4,
"3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no
salvation. 4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very
day his thoughts perish." (NASB)
Those professing to follow the Bible and ignore such Scriptures are
not speaking the "truth" about God's word, the Holy Bible. (2 Ti 3:16;
Joh 4:23,24)
Sincerely, James
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Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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| User: "Bill M" |
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16 Jan 2007 07:52:36 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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nafc@snet.net
Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals?
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
nafc
Hello,
First of all, crying or not, the Bible does not not teach that all
good people go to Heaven when they die. Rather the Bible tells us that
they are 'sleeping' in their graves and are awaiting the promised
resurrection of Ac 24:15,
You quite obvious have not peaked into some old graves. There is NOTHING to
resurrect!
And how about all those people creamted in the twin towers in Manhatten or
the
thousands cremated in airplane crashes and people devored by sharks?
One your dead your dead except in your overactive nonsensical iamgination!
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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16 Jan 2007 05:36:34 PM |
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James wrote:
First of all, crying or not, the Bible does not not teach that all
good people go to Heaven when they die. Rather the Bible tells us that
they are 'sleeping' in their graves and are awaiting the promised
resurrection of Ac 24:15,
Hmm... what if they're decapitated, and their head is buried
in a separate box? Like in a hat box or bowling ball bag like
poor Ralphie on The Sopranos (like no one saw THAT one
coming for three seasons), or something similar? What if
they fall into a woodchipper? What if they're turned into
plasma by an alien death ray? What if they die from being
spaghettified by a supermassive black hole? What about
organ donors? Will resurrected people be as stupid as they
were in life, or smarter? How about becoming so much
smarter that their heads become necessarily gigantic to
house their explosively increased brain mass? Or so stupid
they don't even have heads anymore, because what would
be the point? Will people in the future go about their business
nude or wear body stockings if modest, as Criswell predicted?
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| User: "duke" |
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16 Jan 2007 05:19:02 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:49:07 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
nafc@snet.net
Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals?
Does loss of a loved one sound familiar?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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17 Jan 2007 01:42:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:49:07 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote:
nafc@snet.net
Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals?
Does loss of a loved one sound familiar?
Thought y'all said it's only temporary, about as much of
a "loss" as a vacation trip to France.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:46:41 AM |
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After serious thinking wrote :
You often see posts in these ngs "Prove God doesn't exist". Well the
best proof I see are Christains themselves. They say that if you
believe and follow the rules you'll spend eternal bliss in a paradise
called Heaven. Yet when I have gone to funerals for people who were
Christians I see their friends and families who are Christians
grieving. I once saw the mother of child who was killed in a
motorcycle accident at the age of 17 in so much grief that she had to
be sedated and she is a very religious Christian woman.
Now you would think if they truly believed what they say is true the
funeral would be a joyous occasion. "Hey good old Fred is now in
Heaven and doesn't to endure the pain and suffering of life". If their
was to be any negative emotion it would be jealousy. "Damn, I wish it
was me that was killed in that motorcycle accident and was now lying in
that casket". So, why does this happen if there truly is a God and a
place called Heaven?
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss.
To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug,
kiss, or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
One grieves for one's own loss. When my father died, I cried for the
loss being experienced by my mother and sister and my nephew ... not
for the loss of my father; I was glad he was dead.
Those who believe in a "heaven" think they will see the person again
there, but the loss of the person in the now and the future is
difficult if not impossible to celebrate. That's just human nature...
nafc
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:50:43 AM |
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Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god just
LOVES to MURDER children
If christian nuts, as they have told me oh so many times, believe in their
***** sky pixie, then they should all be happy when people are being
killed, in fact, I bet they just love all the dead soldiers in iraq. In
fact, I think we ought to get rid of all christians (muslims too), and send
them on their way to see their ***** sky pixies so that the rest of us
can live in peace.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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26 Nov 2006 09:28:22 AM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god just
LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
If christian nuts, as they have told me oh so many times, believe in their
***** sky pixie, then they should all be happy when people are being
killed, in fact, I bet they just love all the dead soldiers in iraq. In fact,
I think we ought to get rid of all christians (muslims too), and send them on
their way to see their ***** sky pixies so that the rest of us can live in
peace.
And who will you get to go on this crusade? The majority of people in
the world are believers of one sort or another.
A better tactic might be to educate....
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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26 Nov 2006 09:36:56 AM |
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And who will you get to go on this crusade? The majority of people in the
world are believers of one sort or another.
A better tactic might be to educate....
educate them that there is no christian or muslim sky pixie
and that the christian bible and the muslim koran are nothing but a TOTAL
AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 12:55:14 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim submitted this idea :
And who will you get to go on this crusade? The majority of people in the
world are believers of one sort or another.
A better tactic might be to educate....
educate them that there is no christian or muslim sky pixie
and that the christian bible and the muslim koran are nothing but a TOTAL AND
COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP
Then get out there and educate.... remember though: One catches more
flies with sugar than with vinegar. :-)
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 02:02:41 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:28:22 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god just
LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
According to the Christian bible, god has got his hands dirty too. How
are we supposed to define the 'christian god' if not by using the
christian bible? It's the only evidence that such a thing exists.
Nicola
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
27 Nov 2006 09:37:22 PM |
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Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own
loss. To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will
never see, hug, kiss, or hold that child physically again is very
very hard to accept.
The grief shown in funerals is far greatere than that shown when a 17 year
old leaves home for ever.
But since the kid was 17, it is obvious from the bible that he did not honor
his parents.
God *promises* long life and land to those that do.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 02:30:34 PM |
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Nicola explained :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:28:22 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
According to the Christian bible, god has got his hands dirty too. How
are we supposed to define the 'christian god' if not by using the
christian bible? It's the only evidence that such a thing exists.
And pretty poor evidence it is..... christians have been adding to it
and subtracting from it and mistranslating it, etc for centuries.
Nicola
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| User: "Nicola" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 05:39:00 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:30:34 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Nicola explained :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:28:22 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
According to the Christian bible, god has got his hands dirty too. How
are we supposed to define the 'christian god' if not by using the
christian bible? It's the only evidence that such a thing exists.
And pretty poor evidence it is..... christians have been adding to it
and subtracting from it and mistranslating it, etc for centuries.
Quite so - but as there is no other evidence, then we have to take
what there is (in the same way that we might judge the actions of Lord
Voldemort in the Harry Potter novels). The Christian god is
responsible for thousands of deaths according to their book. His
believers have a pretty good record too. He sets a very efficient
example.
Nicola
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 07:23:23 PM |
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After serious thinking Nicola wrote :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:30:34 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Nicola explained :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:28:22 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss.
To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug,
kiss, or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
According to the Christian bible, god has got his hands dirty too. How
are we supposed to define the 'christian god' if not by using the
christian bible? It's the only evidence that such a thing exists.
And pretty poor evidence it is..... christians have been adding to it
and subtracting from it and mistranslating it, etc for centuries.
Quite so - but as there is no other evidence, then we have to take
what there is (in the same way that we might judge the actions of Lord
Voldemort in the Harry Potter novels).
I will take your word for this as I have not read the books nor seen
the movies.
The Christian god is
responsible for thousands of deaths according to their book.
Their god did not write their book; men wrote it. And there is no
more convenient rationalization for one's deed than "god" said to do
it.
His
believers have a pretty good record too. He sets a very efficient
example.
The men who wrote the book wrote some very good rationalizations. I
can hear some poor mother moaning and bewailing the loss of her son in
a war. The rabbi says, "But your son died in the service of god; He
wanted those people punished." God gets the blame for the actions and
desires of men. That is how I see it anyway - right down to the modern
day and Bush - who knows what he thinks god told him to do... which fit
exactly his own desires and agenda.
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 10:10:51 AM |
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Pangur Ban wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own
loss. To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never
see, hug, kiss, or hold that child physically again is very very hard
to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian
god just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
Incorrect. He drops overpasses on them, drowns them by
the hundreds of thousands in tsunamis, collapses buildings
on them, smites them with plagues, mauls them with bears...
The list goes on.
Since (allegedly) nothing happens in this world that he
did *not* plan for and does not want, he's responsible for
it all.
Only his nonexistence saves him from the electric chair.
His accomplices (xtians) should be locked away according
to the level of their complicity.
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R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
26 Nov 2006 01:01:52 PM |
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Randy Day explained :
Pangur Ban wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
Incorrect. He drops overpasses on them
shoddy construction or some other man-made problem
, drowns them by
the hundreds of thousands in tsunamis
a natural event of the planet.... occurring for millions of years
before man evolved
collapses buildings on them,
shoddy construction or collapse from a natural event
smites them with plagues,
natural event ... bacteria and viruses also have been around since
before man evolved
mauls them with bears...
Last bear near my house was up a tree with three cubs.... all four
horribly scared.
The list goes on.
Uh, were you giving me a list from today and from the bible? Still...
my answers stand.
Since (allegedly) nothing happens in this world that he
did *not* plan for and does not want, he's responsible for
it all.
That's silly.... and not a part of my beliefs.
Only his nonexistence saves him from the electric chair.
His accomplices (xtians) should be locked away according
to the level of their complicity.
If they break the laws of their country, I'm all for that.
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
01 Dec 2006 05:23:55 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:01:52 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Randy Day explained :
Pangur Ban wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss. To
lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug, kiss,
or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
Incorrect. He drops overpasses on them
shoddy construction or some other man-made problem
*Scripted* by 'God.' 'Divine Plan' remember? Omniscience remember?
Omnipotent remember? Omnipresent remember? All before 'He' ate too
many pickled eggs and farted the universe into being.
[]
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
01 Dec 2006 08:55:36 PM |
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After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:01:52 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Randy Day explained :
Pangur Ban wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss.
To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug,
kiss, or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
Incorrect. He drops overpasses on them
shoddy construction or some other man-made problem
*Scripted* by 'God.' 'Divine Plan' remember? Omniscience remember?
Omnipotent remember? Omnipresent remember? All before 'He' ate too
many pickled eggs and farted the universe into being.
That is a christian belief. Recheck my sig. :-)
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why do Christians cry at funerals? |
03 Dec 2006 02:26:37 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:55:36 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:01:52 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Randy Day explained :
Pangur Ban wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote after much deliberation:
Imo, they grieve not for the one who is gone, but for their own loss.
To lose a child of 17 and have to accept that one will never see, hug,
kiss, or hold that child physically again is very very hard to accept.
but the christian god doesn't give a crap about that, the christian god
just LOVES to MURDER children
The christian god does not murder anyone; his believers do.
Incorrect. He drops overpasses on them
shoddy construction or some other man-made problem
*Scripted* by 'God.' 'Divine Plan' remember? Omniscience remember?
Omnipotent remember? Omnipresent remember? All before 'He' ate too
many pickled eggs and farted the universe into being.
That is a christian belief.
Of course, and the subject line involves Christians which means
Christianity.
Recheck my sig. :-)
Why? I'm aware of it.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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