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"Lou Sofer" |
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29 Nov 2003 11:46:21 PM |
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Why do I attack the Bible? |
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery. This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world. This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science. This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects. This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes. This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless. This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
-- Robert Ingersoll
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| User: "Ken Bennett" |
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30 Nov 2003 01:44:23 AM |
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"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world.
* Wrong again. It is a book that is in constant teaching of love.
This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.
* Only when unproven science is forced upon people as truth, when in fact it
is as unproven as anything you may wish to question in the bible.
This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects.
*Nope. It leads mankind to peace.
This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
*I'll bet you can't qualify that statement.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
*Prove it. You can't, because you are incorrect.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes.
* Oh really? When?
This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless.
* Those who were pious did more to feed the hungry, counsel the lonely and
yes, even sooth the angry (such as yourself) Than any of the rantings you
have done.
This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree? If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Why do I attack the Bible? |
01 Dec 2003 08:08:46 AM |
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"Ken Bennett" <chilis@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:vsj7v332529973@corp.supernews.com...
<snip>
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree? If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
yes, the world is flat and the world was once completely flooded, there are
talking snakes and naughty spirits that can be chucked into pigs and burning
bushes that aren't consumed, and iron chariots are bad cos they kick the
laaaawwwwwd's arse, big time. oh, and evolution is a lie invented by satan,
the same one who altered the geological column to make the earth look old,
and changed the speed of light, too.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
robert didn't do anything, jesus just has a messiah complex, the
non-existent little *****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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30 Nov 2003 02:15:24 AM |
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"Ken Bennett" <chilis@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:vsj7v332529973@corp.supernews.com...
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Then Martin Luther and John Calvin are near the top of those who perverted.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
The bible accepts and give specific guidelines on slaves.
This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world.
* Wrong again. It is a book that is in constant teaching of love.
We can post at least one verse that tells of god killing for any number of
reason for every one that you can post showing or talking about love.
This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.
* Only when unproven science is forced upon people as truth, when in fact
it
is as unproven as anything you may wish to question in the bible.
Your ignorance is showing.
Test Test Test.
1. Is evolution proven?
2. Is Newtons theory that for every action there is an equal reaction
proven?
3. Is Archimedes principal proven?
WARNING. THIS IS A TRICK QUIZ DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW IGNORANT OF SCIENCE YOU
ARE.
This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects.
*Nope. It leads mankind to peace.
This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
*I'll bet you can't qualify that statement.
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Find out who his friend was, the one who he thought could at least give him
a quick death.
Find out why he was condemned.
To hard? I'll answer the last one, he was a moderate aand thought people
should get along no matter what they believed.
John Calvin's little village beheaded a boy because he did not obey his
parents. Nice guy, they were supposed to stone him.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
*Prove it. You can't, because you are incorrect.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes.
* Oh really? When?
This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless.
* Those who were pious did more to feed the hungry, counsel the lonely and
yes, even sooth the angry (such as yourself) Than any of the rantings you
have done.
This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree? If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
And he will make you burn in hell if you don't return the love.
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My
disciple.
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| User: "spakka" |
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| Title: Re: Why do I attack the Bible? |
30 Nov 2003 05:41:49 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Harvey? Stroke at age 79.
<moron groups trimmed>
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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30 Nov 2003 06:07:27 PM |
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"spakka" <usenet_spam@m16.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Mike Painter wrote:
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Harvey? Stroke at age 79.
Michael Servetus (1509 or 1511-1553), personal friend of John Calvin.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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30 Nov 2003 10:49:53 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"spakka" <usenet_spam@m16.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1Ikyb.15297$4k5.129523740@news-text.cableinet.net...
Mike Painter wrote:
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Harvey? Stroke at age 79.
Michael Servetus (1509 or 1511-1553), personal friend of John Calvin.
Well, with "friends" like that...
Anyway, Servetus was burned at the stake because he refuted the "Holy
Trinity", among other things. And the True Christians (tm) found that
okey-dokey.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "spakka" |
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01 Dec 2003 02:29:45 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:07:27 GMT, Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:
"spakka" <usenet_spam@m16.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1Ikyb.15297$4k5.129523740@news-text.cableinet.net...
Mike Painter wrote:
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Harvey? Stroke at age 79.
Michael Servetus (1509 or 1511-1553),
Thanks for the info
personal friend of John Calvin.
Oh dear. I can guess how this ends.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:41:39 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:29:45 GMT, spakka
<usenet@NO_SPAM.m16.demon.co.uk>, Message ID:
<ZZCyb.16201$%p6.136840293@news-text.cableinet.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:07:27 GMT, Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:
"spakka" <usenet_spam@m16.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1Ikyb.15297$4k5.129523740@news-text.cableinet.net...
Mike Painter wrote:
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Harvey? Stroke at age 79.
Michael Servetus (1509 or 1511-1553),
Thanks for the info
personal friend of John Calvin.
Oh dear. I can guess how this ends.
In loving agony.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:40:46 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:15:24 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>,
Message ID:
<wGhyb.360177$0v4.19196599@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Ken Bennett" <chilis@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:vsj7v332529973@corp.supernews.com...
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Then Martin Luther and John Calvin are near the top of those who perverted.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
The bible accepts and give specific guidelines on slaves.
This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world.
* Wrong again. It is a book that is in constant teaching of love.
We can post at least one verse that tells of god killing for any number of
reason for every one that you can post showing or talking about love.
This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.
* Only when unproven science is forced upon people as truth, when in fact
it
is as unproven as anything you may wish to question in the bible.
Your ignorance is showing.
Test Test Test.
1. Is evolution proven?
2. Is Newtons theory that for every action there is an equal reaction
proven?
3. Is Archimedes principal proven?
WARNING. THIS IS A TRICK QUIZ DESIGNED TO SHOW HOW IGNORANT OF SCIENCE YOU
ARE.
This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects.
*Nope. It leads mankind to peace.
This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
*I'll bet you can't qualify that statement.
Find out how the man who discovered blood flow in the human body died.
Find out who his friend was, the one who he thought could at least give him
a quick death.
Find out why he was condemned.
To hard? I'll answer the last one, he was a moderate aand thought people
should get along no matter what they believed.
John Calvin's little village beheaded a boy because he did not obey his
parents. Nice guy, they were supposed to stone him.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
*Prove it. You can't, because you are incorrect.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes.
* Oh really? When?
This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless.
* Those who were pious did more to feed the hungry, counsel the lonely and
yes, even sooth the angry (such as yourself) Than any of the rantings you
have done.
This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree? If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
And he will make you burn in hell if you don't return the love.
Or even if you do.
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and
children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My
disciple.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:45:07 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 -0600, nullus fides <dev@null.none>,
Message ID: <pan.2003.11.30.14.01.01.440478@null.none> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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03 Dec 2003 06:47:02 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 -0600, nullus fides <dev@null.none>,
Message ID: <pan.2003.11.30.14.01.01.440478@null.none> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
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| User: "Anatid Bonecki" |
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04 Dec 2003 11:28:04 AM |
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"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
Are you seriously willing to believe and have others believe that all
pedophiles are Christians and all pedophiles get their ideas from the
Bible?
This sort of "argument" falls flat. I'm sure we can find plenty of
godless pedophiles who don't use any sort of holy book as a basis for
their crimes.
Funny how all atheists seem to be officially vindicated of ever having
done anything vaguely criminal by your NG; how the atheists seem to
have "invented" everything. How they seem to have brought modern
culture and scientific principles into existence. And yet how they
seem to be the smallest minority of people in the world. Must be all
those rotten Christians crucifying the poor atheists in the world
press.
I noticed NO ONE has spoken to the fact the Stalin, a noted Atheist
and church basher killed 100,000,000 people. Or that Pol-Pot, a noted
anti-Christian, Communist Atheist and anti-Intellectual slaughtered
3,000,000 of his own people and enslaved the rest. How about old
Ghengis Khan. Was he a Christian? I forget. But I think he did happen
to sack some libraries and churches and towns and slaughter some
millions himself...And didn't Alexander's Greeks like young boys? And
didn't those ancient people marry off their daughters pretty much
right after they were born?
Yes, I can see where it really has been Christians at the bottom of
every dastardly deed ever produced by mankind. I mean forget
Calligula, Nero, Commidus or Herod. It's those ***** Christians that
are the bad guys! And Pedophelia! Let's forget that old Aristotle and
Plato came from a culture that sent their young boys to "school" just
to get diddled by hairy old men...We can forgive those old
pagans...because they were pagans. But we shall never, ever end the
War with Christianity! Let's all become Atheists so we can become
washed in the blood of all those atheist martyrs like Trotsky and
Lenin and become clean in the eyes of the world. As long as we've got
Christians to blame for everything, we're in the clear!
How the hell are you people different than any Christian who foist off
their black deeds on a non-existent "devil." When you are foisting off
the history of black deeds done by pagans and atheists, onto
non-exsitent Christians???
Saint
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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05 Dec 2003 03:19:35 AM |
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"Anatid Bonecki" <Anatid@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all
that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
Are you seriously willing to believe and have others believe that all
pedophiles are Christians and all pedophiles get their ideas from the
Bible?
no. pedo's call their actions love. the damaging actions of xians are
similarly called that
<snip boring rant by analingusrex>
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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04 Dec 2003 01:17:49 PM |
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Would you please stop cross-posting?
Thanks in advance.
V.S.
"Anatid Bonecki" <Anatid@volcanomail.com>
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| User: "angelicusrex" |
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04 Dec 2003 09:46:36 PM |
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Would I stop crossposting to whom? I have spoken with particular people from
all the groups addressed in my headers, Thanks.
Saint
"Vera Six" <verasixnospamnonono@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:bqo1i7$p1n$03$13@news.t-online.com...
Would you please stop cross-posting?
Thanks in advance.
V.S.
"Anatid Bonecki" <Anatid@volcanomail.com>
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07 Dec 2003 10:26:58 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:47:02 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<auvzb.38392$aT.33232@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 -0600, nullus fides <dev@null.none>,
Message ID: <pan.2003.11.30.14.01.01.440478@null.none> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
Don't forget "Gawd" is into beastiality and "Adam" tried it but he
didn't like it. Guess being the bottom to the ram didn't pop his cork.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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08 Dec 2003 12:22:30 AM |
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In article <84l6tv8r9lnaql268jlmmklf47rhso0v64@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:47:02 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<auvzb.38392$aT.33232@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:lgjqsvkhc9fnhld36hp9to327sdn1rh26c@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 -0600, nullus fides <dev@null.none>,
Message ID: <pan.2003.11.30.14.01.01.440478@null.none> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
Don't forget "Gawd" is into beastiality and "Adam" tried it but he
didn't like it. Guess being the bottom to the ram didn't pop his cork.
And I don't even want to think about the elephant!
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Dec 2003 10:08:24 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:22:30 -0800, johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-260A4A.22223007122003@news-central.ash.giganews.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <84l6tv8r9lnaql268jlmmklf47rhso0v64@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:47:02 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<auvzb.38392$aT.33232@news-server.bigpond.net.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:lgjqsvkhc9fnhld36hp9to327sdn1rh26c@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:01:02 -0600, nullus fides <dev@null.none>,
Message ID: <pan.2003.11.30.14.01.01.440478@null.none> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Or it was just a perversion to begin with.
And the followers of that perversion call malevolence 'love.'
that's where pedophiles got the idea
Don't forget "Gawd" is into beastiality and "Adam" tried it but he
didn't like it. Guess being the bottom to the ram didn't pop his cork.
And I don't even want to think about the elephant!
OOOOOOOOOOooooooooo...no *****.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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30 Nov 2003 03:51:12 AM |
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In article <vsj7v332529973@corp.supernews.com>,
"Ken Bennett" <chilis@velocitus.net> wrote:
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
Huh. Your assumption of the "truth" being held in the book-o-blood is
touching. It's nonsense, but touching.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
Explain this. I've read the entire blood-soaked tome, and I found in it
not one word regarding "liberation of the enslaved." It supported from
beginning to end the concept of slavery. You've made an assumption that
can't be supported and simply shows that you've not read the thing, at
least in such a way as to understand what you read.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Liz" |
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30 Nov 2003 07:20:59 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700, "Ken Bennett"
<chilis@velocitus.net> in news message
<vsj7v332529973@corp.supernews.com> wrote:
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
He's dead, Ken.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml
Liz #658 BAAWA
The unsophisticated frequently miss the joke.
-- Therion T. Ware
The unsophisticated frequently ARE the joke.
-- Fritz
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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30 Nov 2003 02:51:39 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700, "Ken Bennett"
<chilis@velocitus.net> wrote:
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
The Bible is full of perversion. It accepts slavery, it degrades women
and children, it accepts genocide, it accepts the murder of children,
it accepts rape, murder, lying. I could go on. All you have to do is
read the damned thing with your eyes open, rather than simply
accepting the crap your preacher feeds you.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
No, as Lou says. it is definitely the enemy of freedom. It always has
been.
This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world.
* Wrong again. It is a book that is in constant teaching of love.
You've never actually read the entire thing on your own, have you?
Don't try to tell us that you have, when you obviously haven't. What
you are doing is simply spouting what others have told you to believe
without even trying to think about it on your own.
This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.
* Only when unproven science is forced upon people as truth, when in fact it
is as unproven as anything you may wish to question in the bible.
You don't have any scientific education, do you? Or, do you have just
enough to be suckered by the dweebs from the Creation Institute?
This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects.
*Nope. It leads mankind to peace.
Tell that to the millions who have died over the last 2,000 years due
to its teachings.
This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
*I'll bet you can't qualify that statement.
Do you want a list? We could start with the original organized
Christians killing off as many of those who disagreed with them as
possible. Heretics, doncha know? Then, there's the Albigensians.
Whoever happened to live near them were murdered, too, the idea
being that they would go right to heaven if they were 'good'
Christians. And, of course, the Inquisition. And, the witch burnings.
And, the Russian pogroms. And, the Nazis (created out of Lutheran and
Catholic bigotry). And, the KKK - Protestants who murdered Catholics,
Jews and blacks out of pure religious bigotry.
Try studying some real history, not the crap your preachers feed you.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
*Prove it. You can't, because you are incorrect.
Again, study some real history. It's all thee for you to read. But,
you won't, since your preachers have you so frightened by their
lies that you won't even check it out on your own.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes.
* Oh really? When?
You don't read the newspapers? Y9ou haven't read any of the cases in
which parents killed or allowed their ewligious group to kill their
kids because they were supposedly possessed by 'demons? What planet
are you living on?
This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless.
* Those who were pious did more to feed the hungry, counsel the lonely and
yes, even sooth the angry (such as yourself) Than any of the rantings you
have done.
Yeah, by enslaving their minds with your religion of death that
degrades people and makes them live in fear every day of their lives.
How can you even remain sane believing that your 'God' is reading
your mind every second of your life?
This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree? If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
By the way, in case you didn't know (I know you don't), Robert
Ingersoll lived in the second half of the 1800s. He wrote the truth
then and it still stands.
Your ignorance is pitiful. You can thank your religion for that. And,
no doubt, you will say that you prefer such ignorance to anything
that might shake your faith - another sign of how pitiful you are.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
I knew it. You didn't know. Tsk.
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Hands that work are better than mouths that pray -
Robert Ingersoll
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| User: "Ken Bennett" |
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30 Nov 2003 10:19:33 AM |
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I thought we were talking about the bible? Not the KKK, the witch trials or
the crusades? If any one of you professed "historians" can show me a part in
the bible that gives instructions for that part of history, I'll believe
you. But it doesn't. Those attrocities were mans perversion, not biblical
teaching. And yes, I am very well versed in history, unlike you.
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:o9ajsvkemo33dms089orumdf1l9n2rlc1t@4ax.com...
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:23 -0700, "Ken Bennett"
<chilis@velocitus.net> wrote:
"Lou Sofer" <lousofer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ee5fff8.0311292146.3ccfac07@posting.google.com...
"You wonder how I can be wicked enough to attack the Bible. I will
tell you:
"This book, the Bible, has persecuted, even unto death the wisest and
the best. This book stayed and stopped the onward movement of the
human race. This book poisoned the fountains of learning and
misdirected the energies of man.
* No it didn't. Mans perversion of the truth of the bible did all that.
The Bible is full of perversion. It accepts slavery, it degrades women
and children, it accepts genocide, it accepts the murder of children,
it accepts rape, murder, lying. I could go on. All you have to do is
read the damned thing with your eyes open, rather than simply
accepting the crap your preacher feeds you.
"This book is the enemy of freedom, the support of slavery.
* Nope. It is the guidelines for the liberation of the enslaved.
No, as Lou says. it is definitely the enemy of freedom. It always has
been.
This book
sowed the seeds of hatred in families and nations, fed the flames of
war, and impoverished the world.
* Wrong again. It is a book that is in constant teaching of love.
You've never actually read the entire thing on your own, have you?
Don't try to tell us that you have, when you obviously haven't. What
you are doing is simply spouting what others have told you to believe
without even trying to think about it on your own.
This book is the breastwork of kings
and tyrants - the enslaver of women and children. This book has
corrupted parliaments and courts. This book has made colleges and
universities the teachers of error and the haters of science.
* Only when unproven science is forced upon people as truth, when in fact
it
is as unproven as anything you may wish to question in the bible.
You don't have any scientific education, do you? Or, do you have just
enough to be suckered by the dweebs from the Creation Institute?
This
book has filled Christendom with hateful, cruel, ignorant and warring
sects.
*Nope. It leads mankind to peace.
Tell that to the millions who have died over the last 2,000 years due
to its teachings.
This book taught men to kill their fellows for religion's sake.
*I'll bet you can't qualify that statement.
Do you want a list? We could start with the original organized
Christians killing off as many of those who disagreed with them as
possible. Heretics, doncha know? Then, there's the Albigensians.
Whoever happened to live near them were murdered, too, the idea
being that they would go right to heaven if they were 'good'
Christians. And, of course, the Inquisition. And, the witch burnings.
And, the Russian pogroms. And, the Nazis (created out of Lutheran and
Catholic bigotry). And, the KKK - Protestants who murdered Catholics,
Jews and blacks out of pure religious bigotry.
Try studying some real history, not the crap your preachers feed you.
This book founded the Inquisition, invented the instruments of
torture, built the dungeons in which the good and loving languished,
forged the chains that rusted in their flesh, erected the scaffolds
whereon they died. This book piled faggots about the feet of the just.
This book drove reason from the minds of millions and filled the
asylums with the insane.
*Prove it. You can't, because you are incorrect.
Again, study some real history. It's all thee for you to read. But,
you won't, since your preachers have you so frightened by their
lies that you won't even check it out on your own.
"This book has caused fathers and mothers to shed the blood of their
babes.
* Oh really? When?
You don't read the newspapers? Y9ou haven't read any of the cases in
which parents killed or allowed their ewligious group to kill their
kids because they were supposedly possessed by 'demons? What planet
are you living on?
This book was the auction block on which the slave-mother stood
when she was sold from her child. This book filled the sails of the
slave-trader and made merchandise of human flesh. This book lighted
the fires that burned "witches" and "wizards." This book filled the
darkness with ghouls and ghosts and the bodies of men and women with
devils. This book polluted the souls of men with the infamous dogma of
eternal pain. This book made credulity the greatest of virtues, and
investigation the greatest of crimes. This book filled nations with
hermits, monks, and nuns - with the pious and the useless.
* Those who were pious did more to feed the hungry, counsel the lonely
and
yes, even sooth the angry (such as yourself) Than any of the rantings you
have done.
Yeah, by enslaving their minds with your religion of death that
degrades people and makes them live in fear every day of their lives.
How can you even remain sane believing that your 'God' is reading
your mind every second of your life?
This book
placed the ignorant and unclean saint above the philosopher and
philanthropist. This book taught man to despise the joys of his life
that he might be happier in another - to waste this world for the sake
of the next.
"I attack [the Bible] because it is the enemy of human liberty - the
greatest obstruction across the highway of human progress. Let me ask
you one question: How can you be wicked enough to defend this book?"
* Defend it? Against what? Would you look at my car and call it a tree?
If
so, I would chuckle. It is the same here. Nobody needs to defend the
bible
from your words. Your words are false. Untrue. Conjecture. The bible
still
stands against what ever tales you choose to spin.
By the way, in case you didn't know (I know you don't), Robert
Ingersoll lived in the second half of the 1800s. He wrote the truth
then and it still stands.
Your ignorance is pitiful. You can thank your religion for that. And,
no doubt, you will say that you prefer such ignorance to anything
that might shake your faith - another sign of how pitiful you are.
-- Robert Ingersoll * Hey Robert, Jesus loves you, and wants to forgive
you . Really. No lie. He really, really does.
I knew it. You didn't know. Tsk.
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Hands that work are better than mouths that pray -
Robert Ingersoll
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30 Nov 2003 06:02:44 PM |
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"Ken Bennett" <chilis@velocitus.net> wrote in message
news:vsk652i2gvm674@corp.supernews.com...
I thought we were talking about the bible? Not the KKK, the witch trials
or
the crusades? If any one of you professed "historians" can show me a part
in
the bible that gives instructions for that part of history, I'll believe
you. But it doesn't. Those attrocities were mans perversion, not biblical
teaching. And yes, I am very well versed in history, unlike you.
The KKK is a christian group holding the same views that the confederacy did
regarding slavery.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/slavery.html
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01 Dec 2003 08:09:41 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:19:33 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
I thought we were talking about the bible? Not the KKK, the witch trials or
the crusades? If any one of you professed "historians" can show me a part in
the bible that gives instructions for that part of history,
The witch trials are easy. The bible out right states "kill 'em all."
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01 Dec 2003 07:59:40 PM |
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Actually, witches were not allowed to live under the old promise. When
Jesus was born, lived, died without God, went to hell, came back, and
ascended to Heaven, we began living under the new promise and continue to do
so today.
Don't be angry, hopefully we'll laugh about this in a thousand years.
"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.01.14.09.40.615352@null.none...
And so upon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:19:33 -0700 didst Ken Bennett speak
thusly:
I thought we were talking about the bible? Not the KKK, the witch trials
or
the crusades? If any one of you professed "historians" can show me a
part in
the bible that gives instructions for that part of history,
The witch trials are easy. The bible out right states "kill 'em all."
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| User: "nullus fides" |
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01 Dec 2003 09:07:34 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:59:40 -0500 didst John speak thusly:
Actually, witches were not allowed to live under the old promise. When
Jesus was born, lived, died without God, went to hell, came back, and
ascended to Heaven, we began living under the new promise and continue to do
so today.
Don't be angry, hopefully we'll laugh about this in a thousand years.
Why are you babbling mythology about Jesus at an atheist?
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| User: "Doctor Nope" |
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02 Dec 2003 09:37:58 AM |
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"nullus fides" <dev@null.none> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.02.03.07.32.731217@null.none...
And so upon Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:59:40 -0500 didst John speak thusly:
Actually, witches were not allowed to live under the old promise. When
Jesus was born, lived, died without God, went to hell, came back, and
ascended to Heaven, we began living under the new promise and continue
to do
so today.
Don't be angry, hopefully we'll laugh about this in a thousand years.
Why are you babbling mythology about Jesus at an atheist?
Just for fun. And because they babble mythology about Jesus to xians.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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01 Dec 2003 07:54:31 PM |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:59:40 -0500, "John" <johna333@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Actually, witches were not allowed to live under the old promise. When
Jesus was born, lived, died without God, went to hell, came back, and
ascended to Heaven, we began living under the new promise and continue to do
so today.
Don't be angry, hopefully we'll laugh about this in a thousand years.
You know.. this entire "Old Promise" or "Old Law" argument is a VERY
new idea... maybe 20 years... before that, such a term didn't exist.
It seems as if this is a case of christians trying to explain away
what christians do/did. If the "Old Promise" was "fulfilled" by
Jesus, then why in the 1700's were witches being burned? Didn't the
christians then have the "new promise" as set forth by Jesus?
They did. It's just today's christians trying to make sense of what
they and their ancestors are doing/have done.
James, Seattle
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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02 Dec 2003 03:26:11 AM |
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
news:furnsvo9uku4k60vrhrg0mft790kavc13c@4ax.com...
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:59:40 -0500, "John" <johna333@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Actually, witches were not allowed to live under the old promise. When
Jesus was born, lived, died without God, went to hell, came back, and
ascended to Heaven, we began living under the new promise and continue to
do
so today.
Don't be angry, hopefully we'll laugh about this in a thousand years.
You know.. this entire "Old Promise" or "Old Law" argument is a VERY
new idea... maybe 20 years... before that, such a term didn't exist.
It seems as if this is a case of christians trying to explain away
what christians do/did. If the "Old Promise" was "fulfilled" by
Jesus, then why in the 1700's were witches being burned? Didn't the
christians then have the "new promise" as set forth by Jesus?
They did. It's just today's christians trying to make sense of what
they and their ancestors are doing/have done.
they're not all wingnuts and liars though. lots of them, yes, but not all.
YEC's are the scariest
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