Robibnikoff wrote:

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Robibnikoff wrote:

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Dore wrote:

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Because He is so awesome, wondrous, powerful, mighty and glorious
that He
requires that you SEEK HIM, laying down your life and all that this
world
offers to KNOW Him.

Now who was it that told you that, a god or another human?

Honest answer please.

No one told me, I experienced it firsthand.

What "experience?" Can you describe it to me?

You haven't seen Dore's website? It's not to be <cough> missed :P

Nope. I don't think I have. I'm in the mood for some fiction tonight.
I'd like to see it. :-)

I already posted you her website, but it's got pictures on it and,
believe it or not, SHE'S CUTE!

Holy crap, who'd a thunk? :)

Nah. She's not that cute. I look at the whole person, not just the
looks. I can say, without a doubt, that she's not "cute." ;-)

"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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Snippage....

What "experience?" Can you describe it to me?

You haven't seen Dore's website? It's not to be <cough> missed :P

Nope. I don't think I have. I'm in the mood for some fiction
tonight. I'd like to see it. :-)

http://www.dorewilliamson.com/

Enjoy! :)

Oh dear !

Also notice she uses yahoo messenger, would anyone really want to talk
about God in real time with her ?
Weird !
Do they pray together or something ?

(Not that there's anything wrong with Yahoo messenger, I use it all the
time !)

No, I don't, why do you assume that you know what I want?

History maybe?

If you want nothing then why did your Father go to the trouble of creating
humans, testing them, and then dragging them through the mud for six
thousand years?

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1. You WANT people to believe in you and worship you.

No, I don't, why do you assume that you know what I want?

History maybe?

If you want nothing then why did your Father go to the trouble of creating
humans, testing them, and then dragging them through the mud for six
thousand years?

cont

2. Some of us find those who DO currently believe in "you" to be
untrustworthy, liars, and twist "your" words around to mean
whatever they want.

We don't care what unbelievers and the rebellious of God think.

You don't care period. You just want some humans to love you for eternity.
You want people to love you and your Father but you don't care how many
people have to suffer horribly and die to get it.
Jesus used to be kind, tolerant and loving but now he's suddenly a monster
who wants to destroy in order to get some love.

We KNOW, it is up to you to do the work to find out.

So this is all just a big treasure hunt then?

cont

3. There *ARE* errors in the bible, so some of us find the entire
book suspect.

You wouldn't know what was truth or error, for you know nothing on the
subject.

Aa always you make ignorant and arrogant assumptions about what others
know about your religion as you have hundreds of times before in these
groups.
As it turns out, he was a Christian for about 20 years, so obviously he
will know something about it.
Your powers of omniscience have failed you yet again.

The errors that you unbelievers are always complaining about are so
minuscule and minor that they just don't matter, but you are so small
minded, blind, ignorant and immature, you can't see that. You miss the
forest for the trees.

The errors etc. are not so minuscule and minor.
The thing is that while one is passionately in love with something, one
will not see any significant faults with it.
You are in love with your bible and its supposed author.


If there aren't any significant errors in the bible then why do we (and
you) have to employ the Holy Spirit to interpret it for us and guide us
through the whole thing?

cont

Many non believers need some sort of evidence that isn't from
untrustworthy, word-of-mouth, lying, followers of a particular
religion.

Die in your sins and go to hell, it's YOUR problem.

Careless/heartless/reckless attitude noted.
There are obviously no standardised efficient and adequate methods of
determining what is truth and what is lie in religion.
The only method that exists is 'you have to call on the Holy spirit to
guide you'.
You would think that with something that leads to eternal torment there
would be better steps taken to ensure that most of the Creator's children
don't go to total waste just because they didn't understand 'call on the
Holy Spirit'.

cont

If you can't provide THAT, then you're really not Jesus, or God, are
you?

I don't have to prove anything to you. If you think you know so much
about the Bible, why don't you know why I have returned and what my works
and purpose is?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
What would motivate an ordinary person to pick up a Christian bible in the
first place?

cont

Asking for evidence doesn't make me blind; it means my eyes are wide
open and I'm curious.

No it doesn't, it means that you are SO blind that you can't see the
wonder of all that exists and was created and ponder on it's beginnings
and contemplate the many and various intricacies and complexities of it
all, to believe that it must have been created by a Higher Intellect.

There is no way to prove any of that any way. It's been tried. We don't
have enough information. If it was possible then it would have been proven
by now. There is, as a computer would say "insufficient data".
But Christianity (Genesis) has not provided any more a complete answer to
how everything came about than science has. If fact far less.
Christianity just makes a hungry mind hungrier, until it can't stand it
any more and gives up, and either just believes, or goes into opposition.

You are so arrogant and self-serving that you want to sit on your duff,
do nothing, seek nothing, and have everyone else do all of the work and
then hand you it all on a silver platter. If you are curious, then study
the Bible intensely,

Most here have and got nowhere. The bible is not very intellectually
informative.

and try to do what it says, pray and ask God to show you what you want to

It is not so easy to do what the bible says because much of it has to do
with antiquated and sometimes bizarre Jewish customs.
The bible's tenets don't translate very well into our western society.

know and see what happens. But no, you are too lazy, you would rather
spend all of your time, immaturely harassing and belittling people on
the internet to bow to your demands of evidence.

cont

There's no evidence that the bible is more "the word of god" than any
other sacred texts are, so I don't believe in your idea of "sin". I
don't see divorce as 'sinful', nor do I see sex or moderate drinking,
or working on a specific day as acts that should be deserving of
ETERNAL DAMNATION.

Oh, so you have put every word to the test.

Such is not realistically possible because all results will be subject to
one's own interpretations and beliefs, just like the bible itself.
Just look at all the hundreds of Christian denominations there are around.
These are the results of people putting 'God's word' to the test.
Christianity is a big fat mess.
Very few of the other world religions are in such a mess.

You have prayed sincerely and repeatedly, begging God to show you his
reality.

Why should a loving and all powerful Creator's children have to beg?

You have obeyed all of the words of the gospels,

Why should we obey a 'gospel' *before* it's even been proven to be the
word of the Creator of all things?

been kind and loving to all that you meet, forgiven others, are
understanding, compassionate, do no wrong to anyone etc etc. I

Christianity did not invent being kind and loving to all people.
There existed people who showed kindness and love to each other long
before Christianity came along.

suppose God is supposed to bow to your way of thinking otherwise you are
going to punish Him, by not believing in what He said?

What did he say? No one even knows for sure what he said and what was
merely man's word.

Those who are steeped in sin and darkness, always thinks that they are
innocent of any wrongdoing because there is no light to reveal their
evil.

One of the reasons there is darkness and wrongdoing in this world is
because of the extreme frustration at the insufficient details available
on why we are here, exactly what our purpose is, and exactly what it is
we're supposed to be doing in this world.
Christianity has been of little or no help here.

cont

And, as for 'darkness'. My life is of PEACE. I love each day and all
the people in my life. I love the rain, storms, and I know that most
"bad" people aren't really bad at all. I know YOU, for instance,
aren't a bad person.... I think you have some issues you really need
to work through, but I know you have the power to do it if you so
choose.

Your life is peace? So you are not forced to be employed by come
capitalistic company, who tell you what to do, when to be, where to be
and how you are supposed to act? You have no money worries, and all of
your bills are paid?

How can one pay bills and eat without being employed by some capitalistic
company who tells us where to be and what to do?
Your god hasn't been feeding or clothing us so we kind of have no choice.

All of your family and friends are in perfect health, your possessions
stay brand new and never fail, you never have arguments with anyone, or
no one has ever hurt you or done any wrong to you? everything you do and
say always goes perfectly with no mishaps or inconveniences? etc etc

Well, your god made an imperfect world and populated it with imperfect
creatures.

cont

As for ignorance... I'm a fence-sitter. On some topics, I'm as
ignorant as a stone, on others, I like to think I'm fairly well-read
or experienced. As it relates to "you", dear Dore..er... Jesus... I
spent over 20 years as a Christian and know the faith very well.. But
now that I've been away from religion and gods for 20 years, I see
just how Cult-like all religions are, especially yours.

Oh, so you have been a Christian for 20 years, and what kind of Christian
has that been? Just another modern day hypocrite, who has NEVER put their
faith into practice, but listens to pastors and preachers teach you their
false beliefs, apostasy and hypocrisy so you became discontented with
them and pretend then that ALL Christianity is as they were?

How about you tell us.
If you're God then you will know, or can find out from your Father.

Most Christians today, have NO clue of what TRUE Christianity is and you
are just one of them.

There is no such thing as true Christianity. There are hundreds of
Christian denominations. Which one is the true one?

If there is such a thing as true Christianity then tell us how many have
found it so far and who they are.

They pretend, and act the part, say the words, but never LIVE them. Since
you have never known truth, your ignorance to state that my truths are a
cult, proves that you have NEVER known ANYTHING about Christianity or
God.

Either that or he does and you're the one with the serious p