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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Taylor"
Date: 04 Dec 2007 02:14:24 PM
Object: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!!
December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)
www.skulduggerypleasant.net
Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?
(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.
But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.
Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.
But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."
Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.
Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.
In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.
Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.
For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.
The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."
Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.
Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.
"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."
"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.
The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.
Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."
Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.
But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.
"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."
Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."
Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.
While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."
Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.
She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.
"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"
Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.
To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.
Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 05 Dec 2007 09:36:50 AM
"Taylor" <taylor1@live.ca> wrote in message
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December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)
www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.


But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

Hmmm, think I'll take the kid to see it on Sunday :)
And maybe I'll give her some of the books for Xmas too......
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Rick"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 07 Dec 2007 01:35:05 PM
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December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)
www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.


But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.


Hmmm, think I'll take the kid to see it on Sunday :)

And maybe I'll give her some of the books for Xmas too......
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557

You might as well get her used to fire and brimstone.
.


User: "Taylor"

Title: Movie BOMBS @ $26.1m -- Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" isselling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 05:06:14 AM

On Dec 4, 3:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:

December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.

But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."

Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.

Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.

In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.

Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.

For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.

The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.

Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.

"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."

"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.

The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.

Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."

Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.

But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.

"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."

Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."

Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.

While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."

Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.

She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.

"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"

Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.

To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.

Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."

The Golden Compass BOMBS in the theatres. :-/
.

User: "Italy94"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!! 21 Dec 2007 12:51:13 AM
In this day and age the only religion that one can attack without fear
of the politically correct police going crazy is Christianity. Because
all religions are made up of human beings and because human beings are
not perfect, you will not find any religion that can't be criticized
on some level. The problem is this: The only religion that you can
attack is Christianity. That seems rather cowardly.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.

But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."

Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.

Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.

In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.

Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.

For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.

The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.

Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.

"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."

"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.

The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.

Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."

Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.

But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.

"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."

Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."

Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.

While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."

Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.

She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.

"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"

Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.

To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.

Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."

.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheismtokids??? Hypocrites!!! 21 Dec 2007 09:22:23 AM
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:51:13 -0800, Italy94 wrote:

In this day and age the only religion that one can attack without fear
of the politically correct police going crazy is Christianity.

Oh really? Watch this:
***** Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, all thirty billion Hindu beliefs, and
anybody else who has a god widget!
So, where're the cops?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is
fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable.
What he wants above everything else is safety.”
- H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Rick"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 21 Dec 2007 08:06:30 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:fa2t35-bf7.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:51:13 -0800, Italy94 wrote:

In this day and age the only religion that one can attack without fear
of the politically correct police going crazy is Christianity.


Oh really? Watch this:

***** Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, all thirty billion Hindu beliefs, and
anybody else who has a god widget!

So, where're the cops?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is
fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable.
What he wants above everything else is safety."

- H. L. Mencken

Try doing that on network TV.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheismto kids??? Hypocrites!!! 22 Dec 2007 08:33:44 AM
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:06:30 -0500, Rick wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:fa2t35-bf7.ln1@eac.exists.not...

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:51:13 -0800, Italy94 wrote:

In this day and age the only religion that one can attack without fear
of the politically correct police going crazy is Christianity.


Oh really? Watch this:

***** Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, all thirty billion Hindu beliefs, and
anybody else who has a god widget!

So, where're the cops?


Try doing that on network TV.

<snort>
Network TV has *always* been a total coward. I don't care how much
Hollyweirders tell themselves they're "enlightened", it's the most timid
media in existence.
TV exists to sell advertising. They cater to the lowest common
denominator and expecting network TV to do something radical is about as
rational as expecting my dogs to do calculus.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Surgeon General's Warning:
Quitting Religion Now Greatly Increases the Chances of World Peace.
.




User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!! 04 Dec 2007 04:25:04 PM
On Dec 4, 2:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:

December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.

But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."

Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.

Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.

In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.

Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.

For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.

The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.

Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.

"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."

"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.

The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.

Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."

Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.

But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.

"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."

Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."

Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.

While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."

Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.

She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.

"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"

Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.

To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.

Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."

Chuck Norris hates it (at Wingnut Daily) and he hasn't even seen it:
http://tinyurl.com/2hlajg
If that were the only thing I knew about this movie it would be reason
enough to pay good money to go see it!
But the books aren't actually against religion. They're against the
authoritarian sectarian regimes who are trying to take over your
life. The Catholic church is high on that list and Islam isn't far
behind.
Budikka
.
User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!! 04 Dec 2007 04:32:16 PM
On Dec 4, 5:25 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

On Dec 4, 2:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:
Chuck Norris hates it (at Wingnut Daily) and he hasn't even seen it:http://tinyurl.com/2hlajg

I think getting Norris and Ventura in a political debate would be fun
to watch. It would certainly dispel all of those "Norris is the
manliest sort of man" jokes as Ventura mopped up the floor with him. A
former Navy SEAL vs. a former Zoomie REMF. (snicker)
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who
need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their
noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat
others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to
tell people how to live." - Governor Jesse Ventura (I-MN), November
1999
.
User: "Budikka"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!! 07 Dec 2007 03:25:05 PM
On Dec 4, 4:32 pm, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:

On Dec 4, 5:25 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

On Dec 4, 2:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:
Chuck Norris hates it (at Wingnut Daily) and he hasn't even seen it:http://tinyurl.com/2hlajg


I think getting Norris and Ventura in a political debate would be fun
to watch. It would certainly dispel all of those "Norris is the
manliest sort of man" jokes as Ventura mopped up the floor with him. A
former Navy SEAL vs. a former Zoomie REMF. (snicker)

Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography

"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who
need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their
noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat
others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to
tell people how to live." - Governor Jesse Ventura (I-MN), November
1999

Sign me up to watch that one! LoL!
Budikka
.



User: "meistermag"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism tokids??? Hypocrites!!! 06 Dec 2007 08:48:57 AM
On Dec 4, 3:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:

December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.

But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."

Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.

Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.

In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.

Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.

For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.

The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.

Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.

"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."

"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.

The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.

Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."

Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.

But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.

"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."

Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."

Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.

While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."

Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.

She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.

"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"

Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.

To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.

Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."

Personally, this is something that's trying to shove atheism down
people's throats! It's to be avoided at all costs! Especially since
it's being released during the Christmas season! Remember, without
Christ in your life, you're dead already!
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 06 Dec 2007 11:01:22 AM
"meistermag" <rclifford5778@comcast.net> wrote snip

Personally, this is something that's trying to shove atheism down
people's throats! It's to be avoided at all costs! Especially since
it's being released during the Christmas season! Remember, without
Christ in your life, you're dead already!

Dude, lay off the eggnog :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.

User: "Crowfoot"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 08 Dec 2007 01:12:15 PM
In article
<96a3f743-e881-447f-937c-d62c9fea97f5@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
meistermag <rclifford5778@comcast.net> wrote:

On Dec 4, 3:14 pm, Taylor <tayl...@live.ca> wrote:

December 3, 2007 -- Updated 1849 GMT (0249 HKT)www.skulduggerypleasant.net

Is 'Golden Compass' 'selling atheism to kids'?

(AP) -- The plot sounds familiar: movie takes on religion, angers some
faction of believers.

But the furor surrounding "The Golden Compass," a $180-million fantasy
epic coming to theaters next Friday, is more complex than that.

Based on the first volume in the award-winning trilogy "His Dark
Materials" by religious skeptic Philip Pullman, the movie already has
been condemned by conservative Roman Catholics and evangelicals. They
say it will hook children into Pullman's books and a dark,
individualistic world where all religion is evil.

But at least one liberal scholar has called the trilogy a "theological
masterpiece," and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops rates the
film "intelligent and well-crafted entertainment."

Meanwhile, some secularists complain the movie from New Line Cinemas
waters down Pullman's religious critique. They feel sold out by the
author, who has described himself as both an atheist and agnostic.

Starring Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig, "The Golden Compass" traces a
12-year-old girl named Lyra from Oxford, England, to the Arctic to the
edge of another universe, where she becomes locked in a battle between
good and evil. The characters are shadowed by their own "daemons,"
talking animal companions that take on soul-like qualities.

In early October, the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and
Civil Rights launched a boycott of the film, calling it "selling
atheism to kids" at Christmastime in stealth fashion.

Director Chris Weitz has said he cut controversial religious content
to make the film more commercially viable, with the plan of being more
faithful to the original material in sequels.

For instance, the evil organization dominating the world is not "the
church," as it is in the book, but the "Magisterium," which is getting
criticism anyway because it's a Catholic term.

The later books are even more direct in their religious criticism. One
character, a former nun, says: "The Christian religion is a very
powerful and convincing mistake, that's all." Pullman himself has
said, "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief."

Britain's National Secular Society, of which Pullman is a member, has
said the changes made to avoid controversy amount to "taking the
heart" out of the work.

Yet the film's co-producer, Deborah Forte, said that in 12 years of
being associated with the movie and the books, not one young reader
has mentioned religion to her. Children love the story and the
characters, she said.

"I think it's a tempest in a teapot," Forte said Friday. "What we find
interesting about our film is we've made this wonderful epic adventure
story for families. ... We encourage parents to make their own
decisions."

"The Golden Compass" arrives at an opportune time. Books by atheists
are best-sellers, Hollywood studios are plumbing the fantasy genre for
the next big franchise, and movies exploring faith are finding a place
at the multiplex, if not always box office success.

The Pullman series follows the release of the first movie based on
Christian author C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia." Both feature
epic battles, talking animals, polar bears and a wardrobe. But from
there, the works diverge.

Catholic author Sandra Miesel is among those who call "His Dark
Materials" the "anti-Narnia." Miesel co-authored a forthcoming book,
"Pied Piper of Atheism: Philip Pullman and Children's Fantasy."

Among her complaints: Every clergy person is evil, and their daemons
typically take the form of snakes or frogs. And standing in contrast
to the Christian belief in heaven, Pullman's afterlife consists of
bodies breaking into particles and being recycled into the material
world.

But Miesel isn't a believer in protests.

"That only gives it more publicity," she said. "I merely suggest that
if you look at what the material is about, you might find it advisable
to stay home, go to another movie, or read a good book."

Other critiques have appeared on evangelical blogs and Web sites. Adam
Holz of Focus on the Family, writing on the Christian ministry's
Plugged In site, calls Pullman's books and the film a "deliberate
attempt to foist his viciously anti-God beliefs upon his audience."

Most diabolical, Holz said in an interview, is that Pullman's audience
is children, setting it apart from another book-to-movie some
Christians view as heretical -- "The Da Vinci Code."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and
Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The
film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of
authoritarianism," it said.

While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark
individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free
will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is
"entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."

Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies
in Culver City, California, said the books portray benevolence toward
children and a God figure -- just one that's much different than the
one Christians know.

She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of
Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and
forfeit critical thought.

"If you just say 'no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation,
they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is
power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have
faith, what are we afraid of?"

Donna Freitas, a visiting assistant professor of religion at Boston
University, goes a step further, calling the books a "theological
masterpiece." Pullman's intent aside, she views the trilogy as a
treatise on Christian belief.

To Freitas, the series' mysterious "Dust" -- portrayed in the books as
connected to original sin -- represents the Holy Spirit. Pullman is
not attacking religion but those who use power to corrupt, she said.

Freitas, who co-authored a book on Pullman and religion, says that
"ultimately, the arch of the trilogy is about revealing God."


Personally, this is something that's trying to shove atheism down
people's throats! It's to be avoided at all costs! Especially since
it's being released during the Christmas season! Remember, without
Christ in your life, you're dead already!

Remember it yourself, I've got better things to do with my mind.
C
.
User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 08 Dec 2007 04:18:16 PM

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!

The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.
.
User: "George Peatty"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 09 Dec 2007 08:14:56 PM
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!

The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.

Theology recognizes more than one kind of death. There is the death of the
body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ in his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.
Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Rev
6:9-10
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 12:13:13 AM
"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.

More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.
There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Rev
6:9-10

What scripture says without support is worthless.
.
User: "Barry OGrady"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 12 Dec 2007 03:31:57 AM
Christianity is proof of life, of a sort, after brain death.
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
I do not represent atheists or atheism
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 12:51:23 AM
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.

It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.
.
User: "Rick"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 07:43:02 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:oeopl3hvnal1p3jrjde6f66afell9n18ff@4ax.com...

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.

Just like the golden compass.
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 09:41:09 AM
"Rick" <videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> skrev i en meddelelse
news:yJudnSHEx6D438DanZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@comcast.com...


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:oeopl3hvnal1p3jrjde6f66afell9n18ff@4ax.com...

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be
a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ
in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.

Never having read the book or seen the film, I have no comment. On the
other hand what scripture says without support is worthless. Quoting it
might make sense in an argument with another Christian, but, unless you
accept that it is the word of god, it means nothing on its own.
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 10 Dec 2007 03:13:35 PM
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:oeopl3hvnal1p3jrjde6f66afell9n18ff@4ax.com...

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.

Have you seen it all the way through, or read it all the way through?
Be honest, now.
.
User: "Rick"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 12 Dec 2007 09:48:50 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:vuarl3ldl5o4pko5dbjl45lkp5grphjvmu@4ax.com...

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be
a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ
in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who
had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had
maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.


Have you seen it all the way through, or read it all the way through?
Be honest, now.

It's out of the theaters now isn't it I guess I'll have to wait till it
comes on DVD.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 12 Dec 2007 03:11:24 PM
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:48:50 -0500, "Rick"
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to be
a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with Christ
in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who
had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had
maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.


Have you seen it all the way through, or read it all the way through?
Be honest, now.


It's out of the theaters now isn't it I guess I'll have to wait till it
comes on DVD.

So, you admit that you made your infantile retort from a position of
sheer ignorance?
.
User: "thomas p."

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 13 Dec 2007 12:51:13 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:48:50 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to
be
a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes
the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with
Christ
in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When
he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who
had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had
maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.


Have you seen it all the way through, or read it all the way through?
Be honest, now.


It's out of the theaters now isn't it I guess I'll have to wait till it
comes on DVD.


So, you admit that you made your infantile retort from a position of
sheer ignorance?

He based it on faith of course. He doesn't have to actually know anything
(and he doesn't), he has faith.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 13 Dec 2007 03:53:14 AM
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:51:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:48:50 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:eq7pl3d8dm655diqd9kj384j5l8o96usi5@4ax.com...

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote:

Remember, without Christ in your life, you're dead already!


The dead cannot remember, so that the speaker is showing himself to
be
a
fool as well as a rogue.


Theology recognizes more than one kind of death.


More correctly stated it claims more than one kind of death.


There is the death of the

body, which is the loss of homeostasis, but there is also the second
death,
which is eternal condemnation in hell, and Scripture characterizes
the
unregenerate state as "being dead in trespasses and sins." Theology
also
recognizes a symbolic death, where one becomes identified with
Christ
in
his
death, and raised symbolically into newness of life.

Further, Scripture says clearly that the dead can remember, "9 When
he
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who
had
been
slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had
maintained.
10
They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and
true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
Rev
6:9-10


What scripture says without support is worthless.


It is worse than that: it is utterly toxic.


Just like the golden compass.


Have you seen it all the way through, or read it all the way through?
Be honest, now.


It's out of the theaters now isn't it I guess I'll have to wait till it
comes on DVD.


So, you admit that you made your infantile retort from a position of
sheer ignorance?


He based it on faith of course. He doesn't have to actually know anything
(and he doesn't), he has faith.

All too fucking typical of these brain-dead xtian ignoramuses.
.


User: "Rick"

Title: Re: Why does it matter if "The Golden Compass" is selling atheism to kids??? Hypocrites!!! 13 Dec 2007 08:35:53 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:48:50 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:02 -0500, "Rick"
<videojockey1a@yahoo.comzzzz> wrote:


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:13:13 +0100, "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com>
wrote:


"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:18:16 -0700, Virgil