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"Truth Hunter" |
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10 Jul 2005 01:18:30 PM |
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Why does Jesus pray to God? |
Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
Since Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are one, why does Jesus pray to
God? Why does God pray to God? Why does Jesus pray to God when God
knows all of the answers, and...
Why does Jesus need to pray, when he sees all and hears all and knows
whats going to happen anyway? None of this makes sense!
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Hugo" |
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05 Aug 2005 02:10:37 AM |
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Would Jesus have turned his back upon holocausts and genocide ?
Do you turn your back to the slaughter of 700,000 Papuan people by the
Indonesian military & Islamic terrorist groups such as Laskar Jihad & Al
Qaeda (confirmed in both 2002 & Marc 2005) while a US company mines and
steals their gold & copper to make people in New York rich.
The US Congress on 28/July passed HR 2601 Sec. 1115 to stop this ethnic
cleansing of the Christian populations in this Pacific nation by Indonesia
The Indonesian President on 30/July object to the United States Bill.
On 1/August the US State Department rebuffed the Congress Bill and spoke in
support of Indonesian control & Whitehouse support of the view that the
Melanesian population had no right to vote for independence, either now or
back in 1969.
Whom do you support ? The US Congress or the Indonesian & US Presidents ?
If you don't care about what you do on this earth, then why question the
nature of the universe ?
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Why does Jesus pray to God? |
10 Jul 2005 02:21:46 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> said:
Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
Since Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are one, why does Jesus pray to
God? Why does God pray to God? Why does Jesus pray to God when God
knows all of the answers, and...
Why does Jesus need to pray, when he sees all and hears all and knows
whats going to happen anyway? None of this makes sense!
The original edit said "Script rewrite needed. Character is
unbelievable." But they went ahead with it anyway, saying "The
character is *supposed to be* incomprehensible to the audience."
Jim07D5
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| User: "Nog" |
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| Title: Re: Why does Jesus pray to God? |
12 Jul 2005 04:24:44 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
Because he has an erection lasting longer than four hours?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
Since Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are one, why does Jesus pray to
God? Why does God pray to God? Why does Jesus pray to God when God
knows all of the answers, and...
Why does Jesus need to pray, when he sees all and hears all and knows
whats going to happen anyway? None of this makes sense!
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Why does Jesus pray to God? |
14 Jul 2005 12:27:02 AM |
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Nog wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
Because he has an erection lasting longer than four hours?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
Since Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are one, why does Jesus pray to
God? Why does God pray to God? Why does Jesus pray to God when God
knows all of the answers, and...
Why does Jesus need to pray, when he sees all and hears all and knows
whats going to happen anyway? None of this makes sense!
Not surprising since it is all ancient mythology, hardly expect it to!
Cheers
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro?m his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Horny Cocksucker" |
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| Title: Re: Why does Jesus pray to God? |
10 Jul 2005 01:38:56 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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10 Jul 2005 02:05:34 PM |
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"Horny *****" <horney911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
And they shouldn't. Religion is a right brain process and logic is a left
brain process -- when you approach religion with the left brain you get
Fundamentalism instead of faith.
I just recently reformatted my computer so haven't reinstalled any Bible
software as yet, but Paul speaks of it, saying, how very few of the wise or
intelligent find the Kingdom of God, even many who consider themselves
Christians, because they intellectualize the Gospel rather than simply
believing it.
Very few intelligent people find God, because God will not share His Glory
with man's intelligence. I. persoanlly, am a very intelligent person, but
the more I learn about God, the less I realize I know and can know. God
cannot be understood with the mind, but only accepted by faith.
He further goes on to say that very few good people will find the Kingdom of
God, but "the base" will, because God will not share His Glory with our
goodness.
And very few weathly will find the Kingdom of God (and that includes most
Americas who are almost all wealthy compared to most of the world, and
compared to most people throughout history), because the wealthy begin to
trust their wealth instead of God, and God will not share His Glory with
your wealth.
We are saved by the Grace of God for the Glory of God ... alone.
Our intelligence won't save us, our wealth won't save us, our goodness won't
save us, our doctrine won't save us, our Bibles won't save us, only our
trust in Christ Jesus which releases the Grace of God for His Glory alone
will save us.
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Why does Jesus pray to God? |
10 Jul 2005 11:12:40 PM |
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Horny *****" <horney911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
And they shouldn't. Religion is a right brain process and logic is a left
brain process -- when you approach religion with the left brain you get
Fundamentalism instead of faith.
It's a lot more complicated than right vs. left brain. No matter what kind
of monotheistic religion or fundamentalist or Jewish or Catholic or Moslem,
the left brain processes the message and it triggers the right brain. That's
because he message creates a cognitive dissonance. Praying to a God that
doesn't exist is illogical and the mind cannot cope with it on a conscious
level. So the right brain has a field day.
I just recently reformatted my computer so haven't reinstalled any Bible
software as yet, but Paul speaks of it, saying, how very few of the wise
or intelligent find the Kingdom of God, even many who consider themselves
Christians, because they intellectualize the Gospel rather than simply
believing it.
Paul speaks of what, Bible software? See? Your right brain is running the
show now.
Very few intelligent people find God, because God will not share His Glory
with man's intelligence.
I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
I. persoanlly, am a very intelligent person, but
the more I learn about God, the less I realize I know and can know. God
cannot be understood with the mind, but only accepted by faith.
Actually, you are a rather stupid person.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God. Which means imagining God said something triggers the
right brain, since the right brain is responsible for eating. He who hath
ears, let him hear.
He further goes on to say that very few good people will find the Kingdom
of God, but "the base" will, because God will not share His Glory with our
goodness.
All your base are belong to us.
And very few weathly will find the Kingdom of God (and that includes most
Americas who are almost all wealthy compared to most of the world, and
compared to most people throughout history), because the wealthy begin to
trust their wealth instead of God, and God will not share His Glory with
your wealth.
In that case send me all your money using paypal.
We are saved by the Grace of God for the Glory of God ... alone.
Our intelligence won't save us, our wealth won't save us, our goodness
won't save us, our doctrine won't save us, our Bibles won't save us, only
our trust in Christ Jesus which releases the Grace of God for His Glory
alone will save us.
S.O.S.
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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11 Jul 2005 12:35:40 AM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
And they shouldn't. Religion is a right brain process and logic is a
left brain process -- when you approach religion with the left brain you
get Fundamentalism instead of faith.
It's a lot more complicated than right vs. left brain. No matter what kind
of monotheistic religion or fundamentalist or Jewish or Catholic or
Moslem, the left brain processes the message and it triggers the right
brain. That's because he message creates a cognitive dissonance. Praying
to a God that doesn't exist is illogical and the mind cannot cope with it
on a conscious level. So the right brain has a field day.
I just recently reformatted my computer so haven't reinstalled any Bible
software as yet, but Paul speaks of it, saying, how very few of the wise
or intelligent find the Kingdom of God, even many who consider themselves
Christians, because they intellectualize the Gospel rather than simply
believing it.
Paul speaks of what, Bible software? See? Your right brain is running the
show now.
Very few intelligent people find God, because God will not share His
Glory with man's intelligence.
I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
I. persoanlly, am a very intelligent person, but
the more I learn about God, the less I realize I know and can know. God
cannot be understood with the mind, but only accepted by faith.
Actually, you are a rather stupid person.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out
of the mouth of God. Which means imagining God said something triggers the
right brain, since the right brain is responsible for eating. He who hath
ears, let him hear.
Actually, eating is more likely controlled by the more primitive areas of
the brain, to a point, it's instinctual rather than cognitive. By right
brain/left brain, I am referring more to the intuitive versus the logical
method of processing information. Most people lean one way or the other,
As a person who was "stupid" enough to have had short stories (right brain),
poetry (right brain), crossword puzzles (left brain), and cartoons (right)
sold and published in magazines, who has had painting sold (left), who
composes and plays music for guitar and piano (some left, mostly right), who
made a living as a professional comedy magician (mostly right, some left), I
tend to lean to the left brain mode of thinking -- for example.
While there would naturally be some projection since I am right brain
oriented, I do tend to think left brain or logical thinking tends to lead to
getting stuck in "a box." Atheists and Fundamentalists both share this flaw
since they both operate out of the left brain -- I can't say for sure,not
having lived that life, but it must be a very dull existance.
--
Terrell D Lewis
MIDIs of Hymns, Folk, and Classical tunes.
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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11 Jul 2005 04:00:10 AM |
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:MynAe.108$b9.1@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com:
While there would naturally be some projection since I am right
brain oriented, I do tend to think left brain or logical thinking
tends to lead to getting stuck in "a box." Atheists and
Fundamentalists both share this flaw since they both operate out
of the left brain
Since you are "right-brain oriented," I trust you know what logical
fallacy you just demonstrated.
--
Mike
A bad marriage is like a horse with a broken leg, you can shoot the
horse, but it dont fix the leg.
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| User: "Proshome" |
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12 Jul 2005 12:40:57 PM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
IMHO, by your definition, you "think" that you found God. I would be
interested in knowing your description/definition of the same. Sounds like
you met another "elohiym" (Hebrew word used to define a false god also).
The God of Jesus Christ is our (Christians) heavenly Father. The Jews were
told his name, but not many today even know it. BTW, what was your
reference material that you used primarily for your research? I'll be
looking for your reply at alt.religion.christian. Have a good day.
--
simply "Christian"
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| User: "Ike" |
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13 Jul 2005 10:07:25 PM |
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"Proshome" <proshome@libero.it> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
IMHO, by your definition, you "think" that you found God. I would be
interested in knowing your description/definition of the same. Sounds
like you met another "elohiym" (Hebrew word used to define a false god
also). The God of Jesus Christ is our (Christians) heavenly Father. The
Jews were told his name, but not many today even know it. BTW, what was
your reference material that you used primarily for your research? I'll
be looking for your reply at alt.religion.christian. Have a good day.
I found God. But God is not a spupernatural being but a religious
experience. I didn't find God through fancy research. Since you live in
ignorance, I would be wasting my time telling you the specifics, since in
all likelihood you would just try to expain away my truth.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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14 Jul 2005 04:26:58 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:07:25 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"Proshome" <proshome@libero.it> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
IMHO, by your definition, you "think" that you found God. I would be
interested in knowing your description/definition of the same. Sounds
like you met another "elohiym" (Hebrew word used to define a false god
also). The God of Jesus Christ is our (Christians) heavenly Father. The
Jews were told his name, but not many today even know it. BTW, what was
your reference material that you used primarily for your research? I'll
be looking for your reply at alt.religion.christian. Have a good day.
I found God. But God is not a spupernatural being but a religious
experience. I didn't find God through fancy research. Since you live in
ignorance, I would be wasting my time telling you the specifics, since in
all likelihood you would just try to expain away my truth.
Fine, you had a subjective experience that means something to you.
You are unable to provide any objective evidence for it. Why not
just admit that instead of insulting people who (very naturally) ask
if you have any evidence?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Ike" |
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14 Jul 2005 10:52:47 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:07:25 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"Proshome" <proshome@libero.it> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I found God, and I am intelligent enough to know that what I found was
a
feeling, not a Creator of the Universe.
IMHO, by your definition, you "think" that you found God. I would be
interested in knowing your description/definition of the same. Sounds
like you met another "elohiym" (Hebrew word used to define a false god
also). The God of Jesus Christ is our (Christians) heavenly Father. The
Jews were told his name, but not many today even know it. BTW, what was
your reference material that you used primarily for your research? I'll
be looking for your reply at alt.religion.christian. Have a good day.
I found God. But God is not a spupernatural being but a religious
experience. I didn't find God through fancy research. Since you live in
ignorance, I would be wasting my time telling you the specifics, since in
all likelihood you would just try to expain away my truth.
Fine, you had a subjective experience that means something to you.
You are unable to provide any objective evidence for it. Why not
just admit that instead of insulting people who (very naturally) ask
if you have any evidence?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
The people I am insulting feel that way because they insult themselves. They
insult themselves by presuming that they know what God is. Since they insult
themselves, they deserve the insult. When or if they stop being wilfully
ignorant, they will no longer be insulting themselves.
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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15 Jul 2005 11:20:34 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:52:47 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
The people I am insulting feel that way because they insult themselves.
How did they insult themselves?
They insult themselves by presuming that they know what God is.
You presume the same thing.
Since they insult themselves, they deserve the insult.
When you begin with an incorrect assertion, everything you say is just
as nutty!
When or if they stop being wilfully ignorant, they will no longer be insulting themselves.
Who defines what is "wilfully ignorant" and what is not?
There is a certain irony to blaming the dissolution of the family unit on a group of people
who want only to become a family. But then again, thrice-married, gambling-addicted,
and pill-popping moralists can sometimes miss the irony of certain situations."
---- Columnist Jim Kessler
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| User: "Ike" |
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15 Jul 2005 10:55:15 PM |
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"Don" <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:52:47 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
The people I am insulting feel that way because they insult themselves.
How did they insult themselves?
They insult themselves by presuming that they know what God is.
You presume the same thing.
Frankly I don't know what God is since atheists think God isn't. So I don't
have to wory about what God is or isn't, since being an isn't isn't a what..
Since they insult themselves, they deserve the insult.
When you begin with an incorrect assertion, everything you say is just
as nutty!
The incorrect assertion was that I was insulting God or believers or
somebody. I didn't assert it.
When or if they stop being wilfully ignorant, they will no longer be
insulting themselves.
Who defines what is "wilfully ignorant" and what is not?
You can define it all you want. The person I was replying to was being
wilfully ignorant by making certain assunptions that I don't clearly recall,
and you have snipped that part of the thread.
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| User: "" |
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16 Jul 2005 05:00:10 PM |
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From: "Ike" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:55:15 GMT
"Frankly I don't know what God is since atheists think God isn't. So I
don't have to wory about what God is or isn't, since being an isn't
isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
"You can define it all you want. The person I was replying to was being
wilfully ignorant by making certain assunptions that I don't clearly
recall, and you have snipped that part of the thread."
You mean they disagreed with you.
Quotes should be easy to find.
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| User: "Ike" |
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16 Jul 2005 11:10:17 PM |
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From: "Ike" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:55:15 GMT
"Frankly I don't know what God is since atheists think God isn't. So I
don't have to wory about what God is or isn't, since being an isn't
isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something..
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
..
"You can define it all you want. The person I was replying to was being
wilfully ignorant by making certain assunptions that I don't clearly
recall, and you have snipped that part of the thread."
You mean they disagreed with you.
Quotes should be easy to find.
And I don't have anyhthing better to do?
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| User: "" |
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17 Jul 2005 04:03:01 AM |
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since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
..
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| User: "Ike" |
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17 Jul 2005 09:38:20 PM |
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since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
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God is a dogma?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Jul 2005 09:43:58 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:38:20 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
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<vo_4@lycos.com> wrote in message
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since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
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God is a dogma?
That's a *****.
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18 Jul 2005 01:37:38 AM |
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On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "" |
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18 Jul 2005 03:49:10 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Jul 2005 11:42:35 AM |
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On 18 Jul 2005 01:49:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
Not my dogma. I have none.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Disagree with what? The dogma you claim is mine is not something I
believe. You are lying. Why do you do that?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Ike" |
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19 Jul 2005 10:43:51 PM |
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On 18 Jul 2005 01:49:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is,
give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
Not my dogma. I have none.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Disagree with what? The dogma you claim is mine is not something I
believe. You are lying. Why do you do that?
It is possible to be an atheist and not have a position on the non-existence
of Gods.
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| User: "VO" |
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20 Jul 2005 09:20:17 AM |
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On 18 Jul 2005 01:49:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is,
give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
Not my dogma. I have none.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Disagree with what? The dogma you claim is mine is not something I
believe. You are lying. Why do you do that?
It is possible to be an atheist and not have a position on the
non-existence of Gods.
Study REAL hard and determine the difference between
atheist
non-theist
anti-theist
theist
Don't answer before December, because I am sure it will take that long.
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| User: "Ike" |
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20 Jul 2005 11:03:31 PM |
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"VO" <here@overthere.net> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On 18 Jul 2005 01:49:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it
is, give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
Not my dogma. I have none.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Disagree with what? The dogma you claim is mine is not something I
believe. You are lying. Why do you do that?
It is possible to be an atheist and not have a position on the
non-existence of Gods.
Study REAL hard and determine the difference between
atheist
non-theist
anti-theist
theist
Don't answer before December, because I am sure it will take that long.
Your dictionary-type definitions are not reality for everyone and there are
other ways to understand things, but I won't go into them just yet.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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20 Jul 2005 01:35:06 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:43:51 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"thomas p" <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On 18 Jul 2005 01:49:10 -0700, wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On 17 Jul 2005 02:03:01 -0700, wrote:
since being an isn't isn't a what.. "
Sure it is... the absence of something is something...
I don't think so. But how could it be? Or is it always? And if it is,
give
an example please.
This is going down a track that will make little sense at some point.
So rather than trying to sound like a Stars Wars character I will try
to restate my point.
Atheists have a defined dogma/creed
Gosh, is that right? Could you tell me what it is? I am an atheist
and I am not aware of a dogma defined or otherwise.
1 - There is no God/god or other supreme being.
Not my dogma. I have none.
that is vigorously defended here
and elsewhere. There God/god is this dogma that there is no supreme
being.
Oh, you were talking about that nonsense. Well, if it makes you happy
to think so, go ahead. In the real world there will continue to be
people who simply lack a belief in any god, and they will continue to
define themselves as atheists; and that definition will continue to be
one of the standard definitions found in a number of dictionaries of
the English language. I know it is pointless to point all that out
to you; you are not so petty as to be inconvenienced by reality.
and as most religionists to be denigrating to those that may disagree.
Disagree with what? The dogma you claim is mine is not something I
believe. You are lying. Why do you do that?
It is possible to be an atheist and not have a position on the non-existence
of Gods.
That is true.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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16 Jul 2005 12:03:18 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:55:15 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"Don" <- - - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:52:47 GMT, "Ike" <accordiondoc@mindspring.com>
wrote:
The people I am insulting feel that way because they insult themselves.
How did they insult themselves?
They insult themselves by presuming that they know what God is.
You presume the same thing.
Frankly I don't know what God is since atheists think God isn't. So I don't
have to wory about what God is or isn't, since being an isn't isn't a what..
Since they insult themselves, they deserve the insult.
When you begin with an incorrect assertion, everything you say is just
as nutty!
The incorrect assertion was that I was insulting God or believers or
somebody. I didn't assert it.
When or if they stop being wilfully ignorant, they will no longer be
insulting themselves.
Who defines what is "wilfully ignorant" and what is not?
You can define it all you want. The person I was replying to was being
wilfully ignorant by making certain assunptions that I don't clearly recall,
and you have snipped that part of the thread.
My apologies...I thought I was responding to someone else.
Sorry about that.
"We ain't gone be po no mo."
- - Pastor Greg Powe, Atlanta
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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10 Jul 2005 04:55:48 PM |
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Horny *****" <horney911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
And they shouldn't. Religion is a right brain process and logic is a left
brain process -- when you approach religion with the left brain you get
Fundamentalism instead of faith.
I just recently reformatted my computer so haven't reinstalled any Bible
software as yet, but Paul speaks of it, saying, how very few of the wise
or intelligent find the Kingdom of God, even many who consider themselves
Christians, because they intellectualize the Gospel rather than simply
believing it.
Very few intelligent people find God, because God will not share His Glory
with man's intelligence. I. persoanlly, am a very intelligent person, but
the more I learn about God, the less I realize I know and can know. God
cannot be understood with the mind, but only accepted by faith.
He further goes on to say that very few good people will find the Kingdom
of God, but "the base" will, because God will not share His Glory with our
goodness.
And very few weathly will find the Kingdom of God (and that includes most
Americas who are almost all wealthy compared to most of the world, and
compared to most people throughout history), because the wealthy begin to
trust their wealth instead of God, and God will not share His Glory with
your wealth.
We are saved by the Grace of God for the Glory of God ... alone.
Our intelligence won't save us, our wealth won't save us, our goodness
won't save us, our doctrine won't save us, our Bibles won't save us, only
our trust in Christ Jesus which releases the Grace of God for His Glory
alone will save us.
Then why did "God" give man intelligence to begin with? Why didn't he just
provide man with "faith" alone? To deliberately confuse him? What a God!
What a boob-job. I, for one, don't believe that some 1st-century Jew (and
his apostles too if you accept Mt. 10:8) had the ability to actually raise
people from the dead. Nor should I. If it's true, let "God" give us
tangible proof of that this very minute! And don't say you can't force God
to do anything he doesn't want to do. (How in the hell would you know that
anyway? Does he talk to you telepathically?) If he wants us to believe, he
ought to put up or shut up. But I doubt that deep down in your heart , even
*you* don't believe that crap! You consider yourself to be an intelligent
individual. Then demonstrate it. Reply with a message saying that *you*
will concede that there is a *possibility* that the God of the Bible does
not exist. And mind you, you can simply say that there *is* a remote
possibility that God doesn't exist. Can't bring yourself to do that, can
you? I know you can't. So you can forget all this stuff about your
professed "intelligence." If you cannot admit to the possibility of being
wrong on a particular matter. You sure as hell aren't demonstrating any
intelligence. You're demonstrating ignorance.
(Sorry about coming on so strong, but the irrationality of religionists just
drives me nuts!)
Greywolf
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| User: "Horny Cocksucker" |
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10 Jul 2005 03:27:39 PM |
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Horny *****" <horney911@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why does Jesus pray to God?
I'm testing the validity of Christianity by testing the logic of the
Trinity.
LOL. Forget it. Logic and religion do not occupy the same space.
And they shouldn't. Religion is a right brain process and logic is a left
brain process -- when you approach religion with the left brain you get
Fundamentalism instead of faith.
I just recently reformatted my computer so haven't reinstalled any Bible
software as yet, but Paul speaks of it, saying, how very few of the wise
or intelligent find the Kingdom of God, even many who consider themselves
Christians, because they intellectualize the Gospel rather than simply
believing it.
Very few intelligent people find God, because God will not share His Glory
with man's intelligence. I. persoanlly, am a very intelligent person, but
the more I learn about God, the less I realize I know and can know. God
cannot be understood with the mind, but only accepted by faith.
He further goes on to say that very few good people will find the Kingdom
of God, but "the base" will, because God will not share His Glory with our
goodness.
And very few weathly will find the Kingdom of God (and that includes most
Americas who are almost all wealthy compared to most of the world, and
compared to most people throughout history), because the wealthy begin to
trust their wealth instead of God, and God will not share His Glory with
your wealth.
We are saved by the Grace of God for the Glory of God ... alone.
Our intelligence won't save us, our wealth won't save us, our goodness
won't save us, our doctrine won't save us, our Bibles won't save us, only
our trust in Christ Jesus which releases the Grace of God for His Glory
alone will save us.
IF YOU WANT LOGIC, PLAY CHESS. IF YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE, IT'S REALLY QUITE
SIMPLE - BELIEVE JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS, LOVE GOD AND YE SHALL HAVE
ETERNAL LIFE.
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