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"Truth Hunter" |
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19 Dec 2004 05:02:34 PM |
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Why he was called Jesus instead if God? |
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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| Title: Re: Why he was called Jesus instead if God? |
19 Dec 2004 08:21:00 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Why don't you read the link you posted below and find out?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Dec 2004 11:31:25 PM |
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clark wilkins wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
A few people at the time that were not brain dead started asking the priests
where the god was they kept praying to, saying 'produce this god so we can see
it'.
Of course they could do no such thing, so they made up a story about 'his son'
that was much easier.
The simplest of explations are usually closer to the truth
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Why don't you read the link you posted below and find out?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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19 Dec 2004 10:07:17 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103497354.845453.121840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and the same
or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He
prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate individuals. And
calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting in the same manner.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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20 Dec 2004 05:28:05 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103497354.845453.121840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who
is also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit, as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power
and authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and
the same or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a
HUMAN, He prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate
individuals. And calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting
in the same manner.
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Dore
Oh well, that clears it up then.
Thanks.
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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20 Dec 2004 11:00:17 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:28:05 -0000, "Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103497354.845453.121840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who
is also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit, as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power
and authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and
the same or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a
HUMAN, He prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate
individuals. And calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting
in the same manner.
--
Dore
Oh well, that clears it up then.
Thanks.
Yeah...clear is mud.
<hee hee>
"Why do we idolize Christian singers and speakers?
We go from glorifying musicians of the world
to glorifying Christian musicians.
It's all idolatry! Satan is getting a great victory
as we seem to worship these ministers on tape & records,
and clamor to get their autographs in churches
and concert halls from coast to coast"
---Keith Green
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20 Dec 2004 05:22:12 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
Date written: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:07:17 GMT
MsgID:<Vdsxd.4436$EL5.1613@trndny09>
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and the same
or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He
prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate individuals. And
calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting in the same manner.
So somewhere there is an original God who cloned Himself and has hundreds of
little copies of Himself running around the Universe, all talking to each other
as if they were the only God in existence? Haha!
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "bob young" |
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22 Dec 2004 10:07:21 PM |
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The_Sage wrote:
Reply to article by: "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
Date written: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:07:17 GMT
MsgID:<Vdsxd.4436$EL5.1613@trndny09>
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and the same
or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He
prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate individuals. And
calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting in the same manner.
So somewhere there is an original God who cloned Himself and has hundreds of
little copies of Himself running around the Universe, all talking to each other
as if they were the only God in existence? Haha!
.....and they talk in 'tongues' too, but you can't do that Hee Hee
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"The men that American people admire most extravagantly are
most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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19 Dec 2004 10:14:44 PM |
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Dore <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103497354.845453.121840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and the
same
or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He
prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate individuals. And
calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting in the same
manner.
Is it just ME, or is does THIS strike EVERYONE else as a BUNCH of HORSEshit?
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| User: "Dore" |
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21 Dec 2004 09:55:12 PM |
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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Is it just ME, or is does THIS strike EVERYONE else as a BUNCH of
HORSEshit?
No, it has the same impact on all of the evil, wicked sinners in darkness
who haven't a clue.
John 1:5
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
KJV
John 3:19-20
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the
light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
KJV
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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Dore <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103497354.845453.121840@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD. They ALL have the ability to be ONE and the
same
or separate individuals as necessary. When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He
prayed to the FATHER, which at the time were separate individuals. And
calling Christ, LORD, was calling Him GOD and was acting in the same
manner.
Is it just ME, or is does THIS strike EVERYONE else as a BUNCH of
HORSEshit?
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19 Dec 2004 10:47:42 PM |
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On 19 Dec 2004, Dore dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly,
God?
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth,
He was ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the
Father, who is also GOD.
So the god had flesh before the jesus? Flesh rots, you know. You can't
have flesh and be immortal.
The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son
and the Holy Spirit, as well as the angels that God sends in His name
with His power and authority, but ALL are GOD.
Then are we correct in referring to the immaculate conception as the Holy
Gang Bang? Did Mary give good Godhead?
They ALL have the
ability to be ONE and the same or separate individuals as necessary.
They are starting to sound like the Dynamic Trio. Is this a cartoon
franchise in the making or what?
When Jesus prayed, as a HUMAN, He prayed to the FATHER, which at the
time were separate individuals. And calling Christ, LORD, was calling
Him GOD and was acting in the same manner.
And then they melded back together, so now when Christians say Christ is
at the right hand of gawd, he is actually sitting there beside himself.
LOL.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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20 Dec 2004 07:27:20 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:07:17 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD.
So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
(I wonder if Phoney Falcon has ever heard of "born again?" Nah,
probably too much commitment required.)
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Dore" |
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21 Dec 2004 10:01:38 PM |
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Nothing new age about it. It is simple truth. The term "trinity" is a
concept created by the traditions of the Christian denomination regarding
the three persons of the godhead and their bearing record in heaven,
regarding the things of the earth.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
God is spirit and those that are in heaven with Him, are of that same
Spirit. They hold the same truths, the same righteousness, the same wisdom,
the same powers, the same knowledge, the same authority and are united
together in God.
cont
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
There is NOTHING simple about God, since He is the most greatest, most
powerful, most complex and incredible being that exists.
Christians who are HYPOCRITES, who act like heathens, are NOT in God, nor
do they know anything about Him.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:07:17 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD.
So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
(I wonder if Phoney Falcon has ever heard of "born again?" Nah,
probably too much commitment required.)
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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24 Dec 2004 09:23:05 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
There is NOTHING simple about God, since He is the most greatest, most
powerful, most complex and incredible being that exists.
But in spite of all that, He can't be bothered to stop by, not even just once,
and say hello to us humans. He won't even take the trouble to get an email
address so we could contact Him in real time. He refuses to even send a
representative here just to say hello and to verify the myths and legends being
told about Him. That's a very mysterious and pathologically shy God you
believe in, isn't it?
Christians who are HYPOCRITES, who act like heathens, are NOT in God, nor
do they know anything about Him.
--
Dore
Obviously you don't know anything useful. You can't even tell us where this mighty
being can be contacted. After all, with us humans, the companies who create the
stuff we use will at least have the courtesy to provide the URL of their websites. Why
won't God give us His URL? This should be a very minor task for Him, the ultimate
creator, yet He refuses. Why? Is God completely computer illiterate, yet you claim
He is the greatest, most powerful, incredible etc. etc?
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| User: "bob young" |
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24 Dec 2004 08:57:02 PM |
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Chuckles wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
There is NOTHING simple about God, since He is the most greatest, most
powerful, most complex and incredible being that exists.
But in spite of all that, He can't be bothered to stop by, not even just once,
and say hello to us humans. He won't even take the trouble to get an email
address so we could contact Him in real time. He refuses to even send a
representative here just to say hello and to verify the myths and legends being
told about Him. That's a very mysterious and pathologically shy God you
believe in, isn't it?
Christians who are HYPOCRITES, who act like heathens, are NOT in God, nor
do they know anything about Him.
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Dore
Your imaginary god gives you a feeling of superiority. Well forget it, the superiority is
imaginary too.
Obviously you don't know anything useful. You can't even tell us where this mighty
being can be contacted. After all, with us humans, the companies who create the
stuff we use will at least have the courtesy to provide the URL of their websites. Why
won't God give us His URL? This should be a very minor task for Him, the ultimate
creator, yet He refuses. Why? Is God completely computer illiterate, yet you claim
He is the greatest, most powerful, incredible etc. etc?
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| User: "wcb" |
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21 Dec 2004 11:03:16 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:pvues0p6v47pks2e1fo8icpogn4ribuqg8@4ax.com...
So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Nothing new age about it. It is simple truth. The term "trinity" is a
concept created by the traditions of the Christian denomination regarding
the three persons of the godhead and their bearing record in heaven,
regarding the things of the earth.
Nothing true about it and it was a neo-platonist concept
from Philo. John was a neo-platonist who obviously was familiar with
Philo and Stoic philosophers.
Trinitarianism started as a dogma, with Tertullian, who started
initially with a dual god-Jesus, not trinitarian god.
The synoptics did not havre any trace of trinitarianism in it at all.
Had not Tertullian and other early Trinitarians stared theorizing
this stuff, John probably would have hit the trash pile with
other gnostics whose 'gospels' were declared heretical during
this age.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word,
and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
God is spirit and those that are in heaven with Him, are of that same
Spirit. They hold the same truths, the same righteousness, the same
wisdom, the same powers, the same knowledge, the same authority and are
united together in God.
cont
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
There is NOTHING simple about God, since He is the most greatest, most
powerful, most complex and incredible being that exists.
Christians who are HYPOCRITES, who act like heathens, are NOT in God, nor
do they know anything about Him.
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Dance, monkeys, dance!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "bob young" |
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22 Dec 2004 10:13:03 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:pvues0p6v47pks2e1fo8icpogn4ribuqg8@4ax.com...
So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Nothing new age about it. It is simple truth. The term "trinity" is a
concept created by the traditions of the Christian denomination regarding
the three persons of the godhead and their bearing record in heaven,
regarding the things of the earth.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and
the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
KJV
God is spirit and those that are in heaven with Him, are of that same
Spirit. They hold the same truths, the same righteousness, the same wisdom,
the same powers, the same knowledge, the same authority and are united
together in God.
cont
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
There is NOTHING simple about God, since He is the most greatest, most
powerful, most complex and incredible being that exists.
So 'complex' it/he/she is incapable of appearing itself/himself/herself,
making any statement however obliquely, via godly noises made by humans, by
humans alone, by humans exclusively. And when these humans say 'the good lord
said to me....' they are lying through their teeth. Ever thought about that?
Not for me thanks
If I ever grovel to a god it will be at it's feet with that god thanding there
watching me closely to make sure I get it right. I will then think about
saying 'My lord I believe in you'
Until then, forget it
Christians who are HYPOCRITES, who act like heathens, are NOT in God, nor
do they know anything about Him.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:07:17 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Because when GOD, who was Christ, became FLESH and walked the earth, He
was
ONE with GOD, but because of the flesh separated from the Father, who is
also GOD. The Godhead is made up of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit,
as well as the angels that God sends in His name with His power and
authority, but ALL are GOD.
So God is not a trinity? God "is made up of
1) the Father,
2) the Son and
3) the Holy spirit, as well as
4) the angels that God sends in his name with His power and
authority?"
And you say that "ALL are GOD?"
Sounds a little too "new age" for me.
Give me something simple and only slightly confusing, like Phoney
Falcon's mish-mash of theology that allows you to claim to be a
Christian, then spend your life acting like a heathen.
(I wonder if Phoney Falcon has ever heard of "born again?" Nah,
probably too much commitment required.)
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
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20 Dec 2004 12:18:10 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
Because Orthodox Christianity is not Sabellianism, Patripassianism,
Monarchianism, or Modalism.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly,
God?
I'm still positively desolated that you never seem to have even looked
at the Arabic-language "Shield of the Trinity" diagram that I made
just for you at http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/#shield-trinity
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
Still trying to pretend to be a Jew, eh? Doesn't the Qur'an say
anything about lying?
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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19 Dec 2004 09:41:32 PM |
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On 19 Dec 2004 15:02:34 -0800, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
*============================================================================*
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath !
So how literally are we supposed to take things? How literally are we
supposed to take the Bible? Is part of it literal...if it fits in
your theology, and part of it not so literal or not applicable to us
at all? Did God require God's own death to appease God for the
actions of God's own personal creation?
I find the theological dances amazing. Is salvation a free gift?
Salvation seems to be free IF, you believe and in some cases, IF you
obey also, even enduring to the end, so to speak. But if salvation is
conditional, then it is not free.
Usually, in a conversation, it is at this point you get the old
illustration that "unless you 'receive' the gift, then the gift is of
no use to you." Of course, that has nothing to do with salvation, but
it makes a good illustration if you don't think about it too much.
Did Jesus die for "the world" that God allegedly loves so much that he
slaughtered or promoted the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of
members of his creation? Or is the passage more correctly read, "For
God so loved selected individuals of his creation that he sent his
only begotten son that whosoever of those selected individuals works
the prescription, "hear, believe, repent, confess, baptize, endure to
the end, etc." should not perish but have everlasting life?"
Hmmmm...
<getting ready for the venom and sarcasm from so-called "believers.">
"We ain't gone be po no mo."
- - Pastor Greg Powe, Atlanta
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19 Dec 2004 10:22:10 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:41:32 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
I find the theological dances amazing. Is salvation a free gift?
Last I knew it was free with faith. Do you want to point out more
sinners in the world to earn your salvation? Go for it, nothing new
despite what you may think. Toss those rocks, your one-trick is
getting old.
Salvation seems to be free IF, you believe and in some cases, IF you
obey also, even enduring to the end, so to speak. But if salvation is
conditional, then it is not free.
Conditional? Yup. Yeshua is Lord, a concept you seen to be missing.
Did Jesus die for "the world" that God allegedly loves so much that he
slaughtered or promoted the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of
members of his creation?
Much like you, always sleuthing out sinners in church? When do we
see you on 60 Minutes??? Interesting that you use this illustration
that seems to be your quest in life. Find sinners in church, I am
amazed that the FBI has not signed you up yet.
Or is the passage more correctly read, "For
God so loved selected individuals of his creation that he sent his
only begotten son that whosoever of those selected individuals works
the prescription, "hear, believe, repent, confess, baptize, endure to
the end, etc." should not perish but have everlasting life?"
According to the Scripture, yes. Are you afraid you missed it? No
problem for you, your bag of rocks is full and you are always ready
to throw them with all your might. Keep tossing your rocks, maybe
someday you hit something. On the other hand, perhaps you can drop
your rocks and move on. Maybe.
<getting ready for the venom and sarcasm from so-called "believers.">
Ah yes, just like poor Elaine. Everyone is against me, you must feel
so proud to be in her camp and being like her. Everyone is against
me. So sad.
Ciao,
Falcon
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19 Dec 2004 10:55:00 PM |
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Falcon <Falcon23587@commcasst.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:41:32 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
I find the theological dances amazing. Is salvation a free gift?
Last I knew it was free with faith.
Damn, what a deal. Last I knew my local BMW dealer is offering a free car*.
*with purchase of $35,000 Coca-Cola in the showroom vending machine. Some
restrictions apply.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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19 Dec 2004 11:16:56 PM |
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On 19 Dec 2004, Falcon dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Salvation seems to be free IF, you believe and in some cases, IF you
obey also, even enduring to the end, so to speak. But if salvation is
conditional, then it is not free.
Conditional? Yup. Yeshua is Lord, a concept you seen to be missing.
Not Yahweh? Not Allah?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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20 Dec 2004 07:51:35 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:22:10 -0800, Falcon <Falcon23587@commcasst.net>
wrote:
Do you want to point out more
sinners in the world to earn your salvation?
Why are you recommending that when it's obviously not working out so
well for you?
Blessed Ramadan/Merry Yule --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Don Strevel" |
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20 Dec 2004 08:02:21 PM |
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Jesus was his name, duh!? God is his father in Heaven. Lord is a position
in society, (think of an English Lord) Jesus was his name and Christ is what
he was as the savior. he did not have three names in Aramaic, just one,
Jesus.
--
Don Strevel, Las Vegas, NV.
http://www.mysecretvegas.com
info@mysecretvegas.com (autoresponder)
"Bonnie *****" <mrkjhnsn@isAWOL.where> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:22:10 -0800, Falcon <Falcon23587@commcasst.net>
wrote:
Do you want to point out more
sinners in the world to earn your salvation?
Why are you recommending that when it's obviously not working out so
well for you?
Blessed Ramadan/Merry Yule --
Bonnie *****
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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20 Dec 2004 09:46:47 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:22:10 -0800, Falcon <Falcon23587@commcasst.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 03:41:32 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
@something.net> wrote:
I find the theological dances amazing. Is salvation a free gift?
Last I knew it was free with faith.
"...with faith?" What is that supposed to mean?
My Bible says NO MAN SEEKS GOD. That includes God. Now tell me
where you got this "with faith" thing you mention as a prerequisite
for receiving this alleged free gift...that isn't free if it only
comes "with faith" as you are claiming?
Do you want to point out more
sinners in the world to earn your salvation?
I want you to make up your mind.
Salvation seems to be free IF, you believe and in some cases, IF you
obey also, even enduring to the end, so to speak. But if salvation is
conditional, then it is not free.
Conditional? Yup.
So you admit that it is not a free gift?
Did Jesus die for "the world" that God allegedly loves so much that he
slaughtered or promoted the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of
members of his creation?
Much like you, always sleuthing out sinners in church? When do we
see you on 60 Minutes??? Interesting that you use this illustration
that seems to be your quest in life. Find sinners in church, I am
amazed that the FBI has not signed you up yet.
Lot's of talk, lots of B.S. but no answer. Typical of you Phoney
Falcon.
Or is the passage more correctly read, "For
God so loved selected individuals of his creation that he sent his
only begotten son that whosoever of those selected individuals works
the prescription, "hear, believe, repent, confess, baptize, endure to
the end, etc." should not perish but have everlasting life?"
According to the Scripture, yes. Are you afraid you missed it?
So, it is not free, is it? It is an "if/than" situation. If you do
the right things, then salvation will be your payment...for DOING the
right actions. What is that called again? Works-based salvation?
Although the Bible says no man seeks God, you are saying that you must
seek God and "hear, believe, repent, confess, be baptized and endure
to the end, etc." to earn your salvation, correct?
No
problem for you, your bag of rocks is full and you are always ready
to throw them with all your might. Keep tossing your rocks, maybe
someday you hit something. On the other hand, perhaps you can drop
your rocks and move on. Maybe.
Amazing that you wrote another entire paragraph and still did NOT say
one single thing. Just typical insults and accusations from a Phoney
Phalcon...fake Christian.
<getting ready for the venom and sarcasm from so-called "believers.">
Ah yes, just like poor Elaine. Everyone is against me, you must feel
so proud to be in her camp and being like her. Everyone is against
me. So sad.
Funny Phoney Falcon, followed-up with the predicted sarcasm...no
answers, just sarcasm. Falcon, you are such a phoney Xtian that it is
unbelievable that you would even claim to be one. Aren't you supposed
to be "like Christ" or do they not teach that in your store-front
church?
Qualem blennum!
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| User: "Perpetual Confusion" |
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20 Dec 2004 11:46:47 AM |
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[SNIP]
So how literally are we supposed to take things? How literally are we
supposed to take the Bible? Is part of it literal...if it fits in
your theology, and part of it not so literal or not applicable to us
at all? Did God require God's own death to appease God for the
actions of God's own personal creation?
Even as a christian, this drives me bananas. The scriptures are usually
shaped to fit what the presenter wants. Even to the point of me chuckling
out loud. There is simply no way to take the entire bible literally nor
any way that I know of to tell which parts are or aren't literal.
I have however figured out the formula... Want to hear!?!?!?!?!?!
If you like what it says it's literal... if not... it's either figurative
or only applies to the time it was written.... See... and we christians
aren't supposed to be smart... ;)
As far as why God had to die to save us from himself ... It's a
completely valid quasion which I have ZERO answer for.... But... I do
ponder it so if I figure it out, I'll let ya know. That ranks right up
there with why make us in the first place?
I find the theological dances amazing. Is salvation a free gift?
Salvation seems to be free IF, you believe and in some cases, IF you
obey also, even enduring to the end, so to speak. But if salvation is
conditional, then it is not free.
I hear ya man. I was raised pretty much a fundamentalist, but my parents
were thinking people who taught me to think as well. They wer'nt dogmatic
and didn't try to simply beat their beliefs into me. But we certainly
dance a good dance.
Perhaps salvation is at such a reduced price that it might as well be
free. (yeah... ok... pretty weak) I could certainly take a stance that it
is absolutely free, but then there's too much that that Paul guy wrote to
make the case... Perhaps if we did away with Paul....(makes you think)...
:0
Usually, in a conversation, it is at this point you get the old
illustration that "unless you 'receive' the gift, then the gift is of
no use to you." Of course, that has nothing to do with salvation, but
it makes a good illustration if you don't think about it too much.
Did Jesus die for "the world" that God allegedly loves so much that he
slaughtered or promoted the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of
members of his creation? Or is the passage more correctly read, "For
God so loved selected individuals of his creation that he sent his
only begotten son that whosoever of those selected individuals works
the prescription, "hear, believe, repent, confess, baptize, endure to
the end, etc." should not perish but have everlasting life?"
Ahh yes... the tried and true illustration. You could simply concede the
point that yes... you do have to receive it... but if it requires ongoing
maintenance it still isn't free.
It's always good to point out that... it doesn't matter how someone lives
.... it only matters how they were living when they died... Kinda stinks
actually... live 40 years for Jesus...3 months away and die and you get
the fire forever... But live 40 years living it up and 3 days with the
lord and you get the 70 virgins...(oops) I mean eternal life.
Hmmmm...
<getting ready for the venom and sarcasm from so-called "believers.">
No venom deserved...I consider myself a christian...These are valid
questions. We christians are too ready to simply accept an easy answer
and not truly ponder where you're coming from. This is also what I see in
politics as well.
"We ain't gone be po no mo."
- - Pastor Greg Powe, Atlanta
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2004 05:13:51 AM |
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On 19 Dec 2004 15:02:34 -0800, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
Because Jesus is God become man.
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
We do exactly that.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Jesus, the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, talks to the Father, the 1st person of the Holy
Trinity.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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20 Dec 2004 11:01:44 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:13:51 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Dec 2004 15:02:34 -0800, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
Because Jesus is God become man.
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
We do exactly that.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Jesus, the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, talks to the Father, the 1st person of the Holy
Trinity.
duke
I don't know which you are more full of...B.S. or cliches.
"Why do we idolize Christian singers and speakers?
We go from glorifying musicians of the world
to glorifying Christian musicians.
It's all idolatry! Satan is getting a great victory
as we seem to worship these ministers on tape & records,
and clamor to get their autographs in churches
and concert halls from coast to coast"
---Keith Green
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Dec 2004 05:39:53 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:01:44 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:13:51 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Dec 2004 15:02:34 -0800, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
Because Jesus is God become man.
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
We do exactly that.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Jesus, the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, talks to the Father, the 1st person of the Holy
Trinity.
duke
I don't know which you are more full of...B.S. or cliches.
Truth is the correct answer.
There is only one almighty God - who presented himself to mankind as 3 separate and
distinct persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God.
All Christians know the answer above.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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20 Dec 2004 07:29:43 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:39:53 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:01:44 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:13:51 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 19 Dec 2004 15:02:34 -0800, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why he was called Jesus instead if God?
Because Jesus is God become man.
One would think that if Jesus really was God, and people saw him that
they would call him God, or act towards him as if he was God.
We do exactly that.
And how is it that Jesus would talk to God, when he is, allegedly, God?
Jesus, the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity, talks to the Father, the 1st person of the Holy
Trinity.
duke
I don't know which you are more full of...B.S. or cliches.
Truth is the correct answer.
I think, "cliches" is the answer when you speak.
There is only one almighty God - who presented himself to mankind as 3 separate and
distinct persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God.
That is not an answer.
All Christians know the answer above.
Obviously not!
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Dec 2004 04:54:58 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:29:43 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
Truth is the correct answer.
I think, "cliches" is the answer when you speak.
There is only one almighty God - who presented himself to mankind as 3 separate and
distinct persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God.
That is not an answer.
All Christians know the answer above.
Obviously not!
Obviously yes, although I'm sure there are one or two out there that don't understand the
full truth.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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