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"Zhav" |
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19 Nov 2005 02:50:08 AM |
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Why is atheism now on the march? |
Philosopher Celestine N. Bittle wrote in his book God and His Creatures:
“No people has ever been discovered which, in the strict sense of the
term, is ‘atheistic.’ Individuals may be atheists; but a people, never.
This universal belief is a tremendous fact.”
is because of the unparalleled human suffering in the earth that many
persons question the existence of God. This was pointed out by a retired
Anglican medical missionary, Marian Sherman, who said last fall: “I
became an atheist very largely because of the terrible suffering of
Indian women who had never done anything to deserve it. How could an
all-loving God allow this to happen? And we’ve had two ghastly world
wars. It just doesn’t make sense.”
Not a few persons reason this way. A loving God, they feel, would not
allow human suffering; and since suffering exists, they conclude, there
must not be a God who is loving. Is this conclusion justified?
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| User: "Precision" |
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19 Nov 2005 08:35:38 AM |
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"Zhav" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Philosopher Celestine N. Bittle wrote in his book God and His Creatures:
No people has ever been discovered which, in the strict sense of the term,
is atheistic. Individuals may be atheists; but a people, never. This
universal belief is a tremendous fact.
is because of the unparalleled human suffering in the earth that many
persons question the existence of God. This was pointed out by a retired
Anglican medical missionary, Marian Sherman, who said last fall: I became
an atheist very largely because of the terrible suffering of Indian women
who had never done anything to deserve it. How could an all-loving God
allow this to happen? And weve had two ghastly world wars. It just doesnt
make sense.
Not a few persons reason this way. A loving God, they feel, would not
allow human suffering; and since suffering exists, they conclude, there
must not be a God who is loving. Is this conclusion justified?
Of course this conclusion is not justified.
The tendency to blame God for human suffering and then mask that anger by
denying God's existence is age old. Atheism will continue to march forward
as long as its foot soldiers are unwilling to face the reality that human
imperfection and irresponsibility - and not God - has always been the
foundation for human suffering.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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19 Nov 2005 12:44:16 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
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"Zhav" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Philosopher Celestine N. Bittle wrote in his book God and His Creatures:
No people has ever been discovered which, in the strict sense of the
term, is atheistic. Individuals may be atheists; but a people, never.
This universal belief is a tremendous fact.
is because of the unparalleled human suffering in the earth that many
persons question the existence of God. This was pointed out by a retired
Anglican medical missionary, Marian Sherman, who said last fall: I became
an atheist very largely because of the terrible suffering of Indian women
who had never done anything to deserve it. How could an all-loving God
allow this to happen? And weve had two ghastly world wars. It just doesnt
make sense.
Not a few persons reason this way. A loving God, they feel, would not
allow human suffering; and since suffering exists, they conclude, there
must not be a God who is loving. Is this conclusion justified?
Of course this conclusion is not justified.
The tendency to blame God for human suffering and then mask that anger by
denying God's existence is age old. Atheism will continue to march forward
as long as its foot soldiers are unwilling to face the reality that human
imperfection and irresponsibility - and not God - has always been the
foundation for human suffering.
Actually whenever we "blame" god for suffering it's to point out to
believers the inanity of their beliefs. As Jesus Sucks pointed out earlier
in this thread your god seems to consider putting his sons face on a grilled
cheese sandwich and finding lost dogs more important than stopping
hurricanes.
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| Title: Is religion partly responsible for atheism? |
19 Nov 2005 01:03:04 PM |
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The churches of Christendom have not made clear to people why wickedness
and suffering have been allowed to exist for a time on earth. Rather,
they have taught lies about God, painting him as an unmerciful fiend who
keeps humans alive in some subterranean lake of fire, where they cook
and sizzle in excruciating pain throughout eternity. Such teachings have
turned many away from God.
Many modern theologians and clergymen are even coming to terms with
atheism. “I have preached more and more in the past decade on the values
of atheism and agnosticism,” wrote Episcopal Bishop James A. Pike.
“There has to be a large measure of agnosticism in true religion,” he
asserted. And Time magazine of June 9, 1961, observed that “Paul
Tillich, America’s most eminent theologian, talks of God as ‘Being
Itself’ or ‘Ultimate Reality.’” This characterization, however, says an
article entitled “Is Modern Theology Atheistic?” appearing in the
Protestant journal The Christian Century, “saves Tillich from the charge
of atheism.” But is not this sort of theology that borders on atheism
enough to cause a lot of persons to question the existence of God?
It is therefore apparent that the churches, instead of building faith in
God, have been responsible for millions of persons turning toward
atheistic communism. Their conflicting teachings, religious
persecutions, warmongering and currying the favor of the rich and
influential have caused many to reason that, if the churches represent
God, then there must not be a God. Many responsible churchmen admit
religion’s guilt.
“I know that it is we, we Christians alone, who are responsible for
Communism,” admitted the dean of a European theological school.
“Remember that the Communists once were Christians. If they do not
believe in a just God, whose fault is it?” And the dean of the faculty
at New York City’s Union Theological Seminary acknowledged: “The very
atheism of Communism is a judgment upon the churches, . . . which have
usually been ornaments of the status quo, no matter how unjust it has been.”
The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
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| User: "Ike" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:13:25 AM |
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"TarFang" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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The churches of Christendom have not made clear to people why wickedness
and suffering have been allowed to exist for a time on earth. Rather, they
have taught lies about God, painting him as an unmerciful fiend who keeps
humans alive in some subterranean lake of fire, where they cook and sizzle
in excruciating pain throughout eternity. Such teachings have turned many
away from God.
Many modern theologians and clergymen are even coming to terms with
atheism. “I have preached more and more in the past decade on the values
of atheism and agnosticism,” wrote Episcopal Bishop James A. Pike. “There
has to be a large measure of agnosticism in true religion,” he asserted.
And Time magazine of June 9, 1961, observed that “Paul Tillich, America’s
most eminent theologian, talks of God as ‘Being Itself’ or ‘Ultimate
Reality.’” This characterization, however, says an article entitled “Is
Modern Theology Atheistic?” appearing in the Protestant journal The
Christian Century, “saves Tillich from the charge of atheism.” But is not
this sort of theology that borders on atheism enough to cause a lot of
persons to question the existence of God?
It is therefore apparent that the churches, instead of building faith in
God, have been responsible for millions of persons turning toward
atheistic communism. Their conflicting teachings, religious persecutions,
warmongering and currying the favor of the rich and influential have
caused many to reason that, if the churches represent God, then there must
not be a God. Many responsible churchmen admit religion’s guilt.
“I know that it is we, we Christians alone, who are responsible for
Communism,” admitted the dean of a European theological school. “Remember
that the Communists once were Christians. If they do not believe in a just
God, whose fault is it?” And the dean of the faculty at New York City’s
Union Theological Seminary acknowledged: “The very atheism of Communism is
a judgment upon the churches, . . . which have usually been ornaments of
the status quo, no matter how unjust it has been.”
The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
WHy are you posting to rec.ponds????
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27 Nov 2005 09:17:50 PM |
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"Ike" <accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TarFang" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
WHy are you posting to rec.ponds????
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His better known nym is Jabriol and he destroyed the NG rec.ponds to get
even with his latest victim who is a regular there. Anything crossposted to
*rec.ponds* is the nymshifting troll JABRIOL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-with. And these people claim atheists have no morals
or values........
Remember - anything cross-posted to rec.ponds is the troll from ARJ-W.
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Inv.....
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 22
"Avoid Independent Thinking . How is such
independent thinking manifested? A common way
is by questioning the counsel that is provided by
God's visible organization."
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| User: "Ike" |
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28 Nov 2005 02:55:41 AM |
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"~* Invalid *~" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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"Ike" <accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"TarFang" <Invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
WHy are you posting to rec.ponds????
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His better known nym is Jabriol and he destroyed the NG rec.ponds to get
even with his latest victim who is a regular there. Anything crossposted
to *rec.ponds* is the nymshifting troll JABRIOL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-with. And these people claim atheists have no
morals or values........
Remember - anything cross-posted to rec.ponds is the troll from ARJ-W.
Now I'm watching like a hawk to see if anything is posted to rec.ponds so I
can ignore it.
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| User: "Bear" |
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19 Nov 2005 01:17:49 PM |
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"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
Being an atheist isn’t a choice or act of will — like theism; it’s a
consequence of what one knows and how one reasons.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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19 Nov 2005 01:59:44 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
"Tarfang" is yet another Jabriol sock-puppet.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Nov 2005 07:48:40 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:59:44 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
"Tarfang" is yet another Jabriol sock-puppet.
He seems to think a great deal of himself.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Nov 2005 05:48:11 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:48:40 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:59:44 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
"Tarfang" is yet another Jabriol sock-puppet.
He seems to think a great deal of himself.
That's Christianity.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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19 Nov 2005 09:33:16 PM |
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thomas p <tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk>, wrote an article that went
like:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:59:44 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
snip the love
(Kierkegaard)
--
zIR
response to:<i0uun1di3f5089qbuq9mpn2pokf0f1360f@4ax.com>
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20 Nov 2005 03:49:46 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
Atheists don't lack belief. Agnostics question the existence of God basis
unconvincing evidence.
Atheists catagorically deny the existence of God.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:20:14 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:49:46 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<pk61o1lk35uf9gdp297733qin08aj0saif@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
Atheists don't lack belief. Agnostics question the existence of God basis
unconvincing evidence.
Atheists catagorically deny the existence of God.
Some may, but that's not the definition of atheism.
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20 Nov 2005 08:06:59 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:20:14 -0600, David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:49:46 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<pk61o1lk35uf9gdp297733qin08aj0saif@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:17:49 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
"TarFang" wrote
: The failure of the churches to imitate Christ and to provide accurate
: knowledge concerning God has prepared the way for atheism
Actually, the lack of objective, verifiable evidence for the existence of
any deities has led atheists to lack belief in deities.
Atheists don't lack belief. Agnostics question the existence of God basis
unconvincing evidence.
Atheists catagorically deny the existence of God.
Some may, but that's not the definition of atheism.
Yes it is - a denial.
..
Main Entry:atheŁism
Pronunciation:**-th*-*i-z*m
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle French ath*isme, from ath*e atheist, from Greek atheos godless,
from a- + theos god
Date:1546
1 archaic : UNGODLINESS, WICKEDNESS
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no
deity
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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19 Nov 2005 01:09:47 PM |
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For example: “‘The Bible says the Creator sent manna to the Jews,’
Premier Khrushchev said. ‘I don’t know whether this is true, I did not
see it happen. I don’t know whether the manna was of first quality or
whether the Jews got enough of it. To find out, we sent Gagarin up there
to take a look. But Gagarin reported he saw nothing but emptiness. So we
sent Valentina Tereshkova and told her if she finds manna she should
cook herself a meal, but she found nothing. So there is no hope that we
can get manna from heaven. This means that we must trust our
hard-working hands.”—New York Times, April 7, 1964.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:00:08 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:04 GMT, TarFang <Invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
***** off, Jabbers.
<PLONK!> yet another Antonio Santana sock puppet.
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| User: "koi-lo" |
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21 Nov 2005 10:47:43 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:04 GMT, TarFang <Invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
***** off, Jabbers.
<PLONK!> yet another Antonio Santana sock puppet.
I guess is sort of an Ego thing to let everyone in the news groups that
you hace Plobk the great Jabriol.
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| User: "zir©on" |
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21 Nov 2005 11:37:31 PM |
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the fudge packer donned a mask to use koi-lo <Invalid@invalid.org>
to post:
John Baker wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:04 GMT, TarFang <Invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
***** off, Jabbers.
<PLONK!> yet another Antonio Santana sock puppet.
I guess is sort of an Ego thing to let everyone in the news groups that
you hace Plobk the great Jabriol.
Given up playing at the Big End of Town , eh Tuff Guy?
It's is back to terrorizing the women folk with your lame forgeries.
Dumb and Dumber buddy, dumb and dumber :-}
Forging zir©on ----->rooted
SockPuppets X 5 (a whole hand full) -------->rooted
Server shift ------------------------------------------------->rooted
[that Earthlink email hurt plenty, yeh
You wont screw Godzilla again <BSEG>]
Next Please !!
Here's a clue. When you cannot put on a good show, blow out the
candles and take your Ouija Board in for an upgrade.
Grab a Brain as the optional extra - there is good advice.
http://www.ouijamagic.co.uk/worldstore/
When you have your Jabbers suit on you are no smarter, so give up
saluting yourself.
There IS a good little LAMER !
ROTFLMAGDAO !
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zIR
response to:<jBhgf.16784$tT1.10071@trnddc01>
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Nov 2005 07:48:40 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:04 GMT, TarFang <Invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
The churches of Christendom have not made clear to people why wickedness
and suffering have been allowed to exist for a time on earth. Rather,
they have taught lies about God, painting him as an unmerciful fiend who
keeps humans alive in some subterranean lake of fire, where they cook
and sizzle in excruciating pain throughout eternity. Such teachings have
turned many away from God.
The lack of evidence for any deity is much more effective. Face
reality. It won't go away.
snip
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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20 Nov 2005 05:59:55 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:48:40 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:04 GMT, TarFang <Invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
The churches of Christendom have not made clear to people why wickedness
and suffering have been allowed to exist for a time on earth. Rather,
they have taught lies about God, painting him as an unmerciful fiend who
keeps humans alive in some subterranean lake of fire, where they cook
and sizzle in excruciating pain throughout eternity. Such teachings have
turned many away from God.
The lack of evidence for any deity is much more effective. Face
reality. It won't go away.
Jabbers can't deal with reality, or rationality.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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19 Nov 2005 01:11:36 PM |
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least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
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| User: "Ike" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:13:26 AM |
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"Yahtzee" <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote in message
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least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction. They
want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the
lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
Maybe so, but from now on anything posted to rec.ponds will be ignored.
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19 Nov 2005 05:00:54 PM |
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In article <cwFff.8919$a62.6330@trnddc07>, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
_________________________________________________________________
You quote from the New World translation which is a corrupt product of the
cult of JWs.
Have you ever considered that you are also one who has swallowed the lie?
You will have abundant time to think this error over in your after death.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Nov 2005 07:48:41 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:00:54 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:
In article <cwFff.8919$a62.6330@trnddc07>, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
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You quote from the New World translation which is a corrupt product of the
cult of JWs.
Have you ever considered that you are also one who has swallowed the lie?
You will have abundant time to think this error over in your after death.
Probably not. What evidence do you have, or are you just babbling
like the idiot you are responding to?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
20 Nov 2005 05:47:27 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:48:41 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:00:54 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:
In article <cwFff.8919$a62.6330@trnddc07>, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
_________________________________________________________________
You quote from the New World translation which is a corrupt product of the
cult of JWs.
Have you ever considered that you are also one who has swallowed the lie?
You will have abundant time to think this error over in your after death.
Probably not. What evidence do you have, or are you just babbling
like the idiot you are responding to?
Jabbers and clones.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
21 Nov 2005 06:16:36 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:47:27 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:48:41 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:00:54 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:
In article <cwFff.8919$a62.6330@trnddc07>, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
_________________________________________________________________
You quote from the New World translation which is a corrupt product of the
cult of JWs.
Have you ever considered that you are also one who has swallowed the lie?
You will have abundant time to think this error over in your after death.
Probably not. What evidence do you have, or are you just babbling
like the idiot you are responding to?
Jabbers and clones.
New US comedy series?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
21 Nov 2005 11:22:34 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:16:36 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:47:27 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:48:41 +0100, thomas p
<tonyofbexarnospam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:00:54 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:
In article <cwFff.8919$a62.6330@trnddc07>, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God. God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law. And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
_________________________________________________________________
You quote from the New World translation which is a corrupt product of the
cult of JWs.
Have you ever considered that you are also one who has swallowed the lie?
You will have abundant time to think this error over in your after death.
Probably not. What evidence do you have, or are you just babbling
like the idiot you are responding to?
Jabbers and clones.
New US comedy series?
Failed series, yes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
19 Nov 2005 07:48:41 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:11:36 GMT, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God.
Actually it is because there is no reason to believe there is a god.
Do you have evidence? No, of course you don't.
God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law.
You are a liar for the Lord.
And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
And your evidence for the above is what? No evidence? In that case
stop babbling.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
19 Nov 2005 04:09:20 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:11:36 GMT, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God.
Good job I don't believe there is no god then :-)
God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law.
Don't even know what 'God's Laws' are since no god has told me. All
we have is made up invented laws passed off as 'gods laws' - different
things entirely.
And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
Who says we do not love truth? Are you belivers in Wodin now trying
to steal our love of truth from us now? You lot have already tried to
steal morality from us. What next?
Nah, sorry Yahtzee I need some evidence to justify a belief in
Wodin before I can share your ancient Viking rituals.
Yer yer I know, I won't get into Valhalla, we have heard all that
stuff before.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: One factor for athesim is belief |
20 Nov 2005 05:25:10 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:09:20 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:11:36 GMT, Yahtzee <Invalid@invalid.org> wrote:
least one more vital factor that is responsible for so many questioning
the existence of God. That is because they want to believe the lie that
there is no God.
Good job I don't believe there is no god then :-)
God’s righteous law is an uncomfortable restriction.
They want to be free to pursue their selfish course without the pangs of
conscience that would gnaw at them should they be accountable to God’s
law.
Don't even know what 'God's Laws' are since no god has told me. All
we have is made up invented laws passed off as 'gods laws' - different
things entirely.
And so, because they do “not accept the love of the truth . . . God
lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing
the lie.”—2 Thess. 2:10, 11.
Who says we do not love truth? Are you belivers in Wodin now trying
to steal our love of truth from us now? You lot have already tried to
steal morality from us. What next?
Nah, sorry Yahtzee I need some evidence to justify a belief in
Wodin before I can share your ancient Viking rituals.
Yer yer I know, I won't get into Valhalla, we have heard all that
stuff before.
Yeah, but the Valkyries are to die for and the alcohol's good for what
ale's you.....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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