On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:51:36 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

In article <1106037368.776966.118650
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, osprey said...

Unlike you, I can act like an adult. I believed, like many Republicans
and Democrats alike, that Saddam Hussein did have the WMD. If he did
not have them, then many of us were wrong.

Why do you not admit that you really were gravely mistaken and
absurdly credulous about the WMDs, instead of qualifying your
response with an "if"? Once a coward, always a coward,
apparently.

Simple as that, we are human...

No, it's not "simple as that," you moral cripple.

Your stupidity and credulity, in tandem with the gullibility of
millions of others like you, have cost more than 100,000 people
their lives. You bear a certain responsibility for those deaths,
and for the war, and for the millions of lives ruined by that
war.

Now you shrug and say that maybe you were "mistaken." Wrong, you
miserable wretch. Forgetting to carry the one is a mistake. What
you did was grossly immoral. What's more, you will do nothing to
redress the destruction and misery you helped to bring about.

You haven't the guts or the wits to take a realistic view of
your government and your president; you haven't the integrity to
admit you fell for a lie; and you haven't the moral fiber to
accept responsibility for the consequences of your earlier
decisions. Just what the hell are you good for, Osprey?

If nothing else, he serves as a prime example of everything that's
wrong with modern conservatism. :-)

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:51:36 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:

In article <1106037368.776966.118650
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, osprey said...

Unlike you, I can act like an adult. I believed, like many
Republicans and Democrats alike, that Saddam Hussein did have the
WMD. If he did not have them, then many of us were wrong.

Why do you not admit that you really were gravely mistaken and
absurdly credulous about the WMDs, instead of qualifying your
response with an "if"? Once a coward, always a coward,
apparently.

Simple as that, we are human...

No, it's not "simple as that," you moral cripple.

Your stupidity and credulity, in tandem with the gullibility of
millions of others like you, have cost more than 100,000 people
their lives. You bear a certain responsibility for those deaths,
and for the war, and for the millions of lives ruined by that
war.

Now you shrug and say that maybe you were "mistaken." Wrong, you
miserable wretch. Forgetting to carry the one is a mistake. What
you did was grossly immoral. What's more, you will do nothing to
redress the destruction and misery you helped to bring about.

You haven't the guts or the wits to take a realistic view of
your government and your president; you haven't the integrity to
admit you fell for a lie; and you haven't the moral fiber to
accept responsibility for the consequences of your earlier
decisions. Just what the hell are you good for, Osprey?

If nothing else, he serves as a prime example of everything that's
wrong with modern conservatism. :-)

"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On 18 Jan 2005 00:36:08 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Unlike you, I can act like an adult. I believed, like many Republicans
and Democrats alike, that Saddam Hussein did have the WMD. If he did
not have them, then many of us were wrong. Simple as that, we are
human...well in your case..I don't know.

Sorry, but we were told that we *knew* that Iraq possed weapons of
Mass destruction, and an active nuclear weapons program. Not
"suspected" but "knew." Some quotes:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us." - Vice
President ***** Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002.

"The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about
how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the
smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." - National security adviser
Condoleezza Rice, Sept. 8, 2002.

"After 11 years during which we have tried containment, sanctions,
inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that
Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is
increasing his capabilities to make more." - President Bush, Oct. 7,
2002.

"Saddam Hussein is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons
of mass destruction, but he's got them." - Bush, Nov. 3, 2002.

"The gravity of this moment is matched by the gravity of the threat
that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction pose to the world." -
Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003.

You ignore many other quotes..on purpose of course. Your true motive is
shown above...


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein.

- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

Osprey wrote:

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On 18 Jan 2005 00:36:08 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>

said

in alt.atheism:

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

So... Where's that WMD again, *****?

Unlike you, I can act like an adult. I believed, like many

Republicans

and Democrats alike, that Saddam Hussein did have the WMD. If he

did

not have them, then many of us were wrong. Simple as that, we are
human...well in your case..I don't know.

So killing tens of thousands and just writing it off as "we were
wrong" is acting like an adult? Only for insane values of "adult".

The last thing I will ever accept is yours or any other left wing

liberal's

phoney concern for innocent people who die in a war.

Subject change alert!

Why?

Because of the fact that you nor any other liberals ever cared about

the

people...hundreds of thousands...killed prior to the war and put into

mass

graves.

Considering that you have no eidence that could
begin to support your claim here it looks like you
say it only to divert attention away from your
embarrassig position.

Because people like you and other liberals use military soldiers for
propaganda. You will count their bodies, and use it for propaganda.

You

never cared about the thousands of soldiers that died prior to the

war

during peace time operations. You never cared about the soldiers

that were

killed from terrorist attacks prior to the war. So you will have to

just

understand, I don't accept your phoney concern for people. You, like

other

liberals, just use people for political propaganda.

Now that everyone knows you are a bigot and that
you have an arms-length relationship with the truth
why don't you go back and address the point you evaded
about writing off the killing tens of thousands with
a "we were wrong"