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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"bk" |
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22 Oct 2006 09:22:02 PM |
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Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
When the Old Testament was written, they were looking for a messiah.
The New Testament was created by anonymous Christians who invented a
tale to make it look as though a messiah appeared.
The only evidence of this supposed messiah is in the New Testament.
Christians believe in the divinity of the Bible, because they believe
that the tale is true.
Christians believe the tale is true, because they believe in the
divinity of the Bible.
Is it really this mindnumbingly simple? In other words, Christianity
rests entirely on the truth of the bible. The truth of the bible rests
entirely on whether or not it is "God-breathed." Whether it is
"God-breathed" is dependent on fulfillment of certain prophecies.
Anyone can invent a story to fulfill missing predictions in an older
text. Why are Christians so sure these inventions are "the truth"? Oh,
they were written by the apostles. But they weren't necessarily the
apostles - even if they were, the whole story of the apostles is IN THE
BIBLE, which leaves a gap of completely circular reasoning.
So what am I missing, that so many people believe in the good book;
even among atheists and theists, it is a hotly debated topic, spanning
threads of a thousand messages or more. Certain particularities are
disputed, hairs are split, passages are cited, re-cited; it seems a
great number of people "CARE" a great deal what is in this book,
believers or not. What I would like to know is, why - and if it can be
simply debunked as in the five sentences above, then isn't everything
else moot? (no offense intended here, just wondering)
bk
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
22 Oct 2006 10:49:38 PM |
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In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
bk wrote:
When the Old Testament was written, they were looking for a messiah.
The New Testament was created by anonymous Christians who invented a
tale to make it look as though a messiah appeared.
The only evidence of this supposed messiah is in the New Testament.
Christians believe in the divinity of the Bible, because they believe
that the tale is true.
Christians believe the tale is true, because they believe in the
divinity of the Bible.
Is it really this mindnumbingly simple? In other words, Christianity
rests entirely on the truth of the bible. The truth of the bible rests
entirely on whether or not it is "God-breathed." Whether it is
"God-breathed" is dependent on fulfillment of certain prophecies.
Anyone can invent a story to fulfill missing predictions in an older
text. Why are Christians so sure these inventions are "the truth"? Oh,
they were written by the apostles. But they weren't necessarily the
apostles - even if they were, the whole story of the apostles is IN THE
BIBLE, which leaves a gap of completely circular reasoning.
So what am I missing, that so many people believe in the good book;
even among atheists and theists, it is a hotly debated topic, spanning
threads of a thousand messages or more. Certain particularities are
disputed, hairs are split, passages are cited, re-cited; it seems a
great number of people "CARE" a great deal what is in this book,
believers or not. What I would like to know is, why - and if it can be
simply debunked as in the five sentences above, then isn't everything
else moot? (no offense intended here, just wondering)
bk
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
25 Oct 2006 01:47:01 PM |
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"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
25 Oct 2006 09:10:13 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
27 Oct 2006 11:59:20 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
27 Oct 2006 10:02:08 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <sle4k2tkff6pcu6h192fln008gpgrjfs3s@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
30 Oct 2006 12:26:35 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:32:08 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <sle4k2tkff6pcu6h192fln008gpgrjfs3s@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
30 Oct 2006 04:20:23 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:26:35 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <stgck29o4rt9fc7rltva6ege3nt7ncvkh1@4ax.com>
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:32:08 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <sle4k2tkff6pcu6h192fln008gpgrjfs3s@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
30 Oct 2006 07:34:12 PM |
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:26:35 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <stgck29o4rt9fc7rltva6ege3nt7ncvkh1@4ax.com>
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:32:08 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <sle4k2tkff6pcu6h192fln008gpgrjfs3s@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
30 Oct 2006 09:49:33 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40adk2t0j5k3s5lqvmal96ql14n109b5gl@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:26:35 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <stgck29o4rt9fc7rltva6ege3nt7ncvkh1@4ax.com>
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:32:08 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <sle4k2tkff6pcu6h192fln008gpgrjfs3s@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:40:13 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:47:01 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4q9ph6FlurovU1@individual.net>
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
--
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
01 Nov 2006 12:32:04 PM |
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:19:33 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40adk2t0j5k3s5lqvmal96ql14n109b5gl@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
01 Nov 2006 05:16:17 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:32:04 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40qhk2p1mgnjrm0ch7l4mth7uc2h9iot10@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:19:33 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40adk2t0j5k3s5lqvmal96ql14n109b5gl@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
02 Nov 2006 08:44:45 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:32:04 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40qhk2p1mgnjrm0ch7l4mth7uc2h9iot10@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:19:33 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40adk2t0j5k3s5lqvmal96ql14n109b5gl@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
02 Nov 2006 09:37:56 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:44:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d8blk2h44dt09kieda3v4693c0sif9bj6t@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:32:04 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40qhk2p1mgnjrm0ch7l4mth7uc2h9iot10@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:19:33 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:12 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <40adk2t0j5k3s5lqvmal96ql14n109b5gl@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:50:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
06 Nov 2006 10:27:41 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:07:56 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:44:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d8blk2h44dt09kieda3v4693c0sif9bj6t@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
Certainly not flowers!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Why is the Bible such a big deal? |
06 Nov 2006 04:24:48 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:27:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qiouk2lvs72qce2mah0opagn9pejm7j5hr@4ax.com>
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:07:56 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:44:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d8blk2h44dt09kieda3v4693c0sif9bj6t@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
Certainly not flowers!
De-flowers for William Booths.
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07 Nov 2006 09:25:49 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:54:48 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:27:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qiouk2lvs72qce2mah0opagn9pejm7j5hr@4ax.com>
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:07:56 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:44:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d8blk2h44dt09kieda3v4693c0sif9bj6t@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
Certainly not flowers!
De-flowers for William Booths.
Candygram for Mongo
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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08 Nov 2006 03:53:23 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:25:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <hhj2l2d34hlq4uc03h9devrh98iioth3q1@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:54:48 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:27:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qiouk2lvs72qce2mah0opagn9pejm7j5hr@4ax.com>
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:07:56 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:44:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d8blk2h44dt09kieda3v4693c0sif9bj6t@4ax.com>
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:46:17 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
Certainly not flowers!
De-flowers for William Booths.
Candygram for Mongo
Mongo in same cell-block as Haggard.
Mongo *like* Haggard.
Mongo want go pee-pee.
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Nov 2006 10:39:02 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:23:23 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:25:49 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <hhj2l2d34hlq4uc03h9devrh98iioth3q1@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 08:54:48 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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"Kate" <katecoleman_fl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1161575378.228481.275120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
That's nice - Now, go tell someone who cares.
Preferably the ward psychiatrist on the next round.
(I am assuming that Kate is in a secure institution for the mentally
ill. It's a safe bet.)
No, it isn't. Reagan closed most of the nut houses and threw them into
the street.
They must spend the entire day in internet cafes by the looks of
usenet.
Cafe 'Superstition Haus.'
What? A Church meeting hall?
Where perverts flock together.
They do a little more than flock, in the confessionals and the choir
stalls!
PEW!
Yep, there too!
The unshowered.
I used to think that was what confessionals were!
Certainly not flowers!
De-flowers for William Booths.
Candygram for Mongo
Mongo in same cell-block as Haggard.
Mongo *like* Haggard.
Mongo want go pee-pee.
Mongo tell Haggard to open mouth.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2006 11:36:08 PM |
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Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith
snip
Could you please change your nym to "Kate2" or something? I keep
thinking you're *our* Kate and clicking on your posts.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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23 Oct 2006 12:17:40 AM |
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wrote:
Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith
snip
Could you please change your nym to "Kate2" or something? I keep
thinking you're *our* Kate and clicking on your posts.
Seconding the motion. This is getting annoying.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "thomas p." |
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23 Oct 2006 06:08:34 AM |
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Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
What a horrible confession you have just made! Your position is
totally lacking in both reason and integrity.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
It must be difficult walking around with one's eyes covered.
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| User: "" |
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29 Oct 2006 05:51:24 PM |
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thomas p. wrote:
Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
What a horrible confession you have just made! Your position is
totally lacking in both reason and integrity.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
It must be difficult walking around with one's eyes covered.
What? you are still living?
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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25 Oct 2006 08:52:34 PM |
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Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
The problem is, you can not win over people with simple faith.
Paul would not have been able to convince Gentiles to have faith in
Christ if he had no proof.
Michael
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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25 Oct 2006 10:14:02 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
The problem is, you can not win over people with simple faith.
That's why the Crap-lick Church has resorted to more forceful methods. (Not
that they're the only ones, just one of the most visible.)
Paul would not have been able to convince Gentiles to have faith in
Christ if he had no proof.
Really? Were you alive two thousand years ago? (Neither was I.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Grand Rapids 3 (SO) (October 21)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 27 vs. Hamilton, 7:35
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25 Oct 2006 11:44:49 PM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Wednesday 25 October 2006 9:52
pm Michael Ejercito perhaps from wrote:
Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter
our faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the
faith HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of
faith. A simple faith may be better.
The problem is, you can not win over people with simple faith.
Paul would not have been able to convince Gentiles to have faith in
Christ if he had no proof.
So you are saying there is proof for the angel Moroni and the Gold
Tablets of Joseph Smith? What proof do you think he offered his
followers? What proof do you think Jim Jones offered those thousands
of people who committed suicide?
Michael
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Later,
Darrell Stec
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Oct 2006 08:40:33 PM |
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On 25 Oct 2006 18:52:34 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
The problem is, you can not win over people with simple faith.
Paul would not have been able to convince Gentiles to have faith in
Christ if he had no proof.
I guess you caught Hubbard's act where he appeared on stage with those
Thetans, huh?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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22 Oct 2006 11:07:41 PM |
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Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
I personally think that higher applications and education in the faith
HURTS the overall goal of believing in the Bible as a person of faith.
A simple faith may be better.
Teeheeheehee...in other words, looking at it makes your eyes hurt,
because of all the contradictions.
"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived" (I think that's the wording.....) Isaac Asimov
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
bk wrote:
When the Old Testament was written, they were looking for a messiah.
The New Testament was created by anonymous Christians who invented a
tale to make it look as though a messiah appeared.
The only evidence of this supposed messiah is in the New Testament.
Christians believe in the divinity of the Bible, because they believe
that the tale is true.
Christians believe the tale is true, because they believe in the
divinity of the Bible.
Is it really this mindnumbingly simple? In other words, Christianity
rests entirely on the truth of the bible. The truth of the bible rests
entirely on whether or not it is "God-breathed." Whether it is
"God-breathed" is dependent on fulfillment of certain prophecies.
Anyone can invent a story to fulfill missing predictions in an older
text. Why are Christians so sure these inventions are "the truth"? Oh,
they were written by the apostles. But they weren't necessarily the
apostles - even if they were, the whole story of the apostles is IN THE
BIBLE, which leaves a gap of completely circular reasoning.
So what am I missing, that so many people believe in the good book;
even among atheists and theists, it is a hotly debated topic, spanning
threads of a thousand messages or more. Certain particularities are
disputed, hairs are split, passages are cited, re-cited; it seems a
great number of people "CARE" a great deal what is in this book,
believers or not. What I would like to know is, why - and if it can be
simply debunked as in the five sentences above, then isn't everything
else moot? (no offense intended here, just wondering)
bk
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| User: "Rusty Sites" |
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23 Oct 2006 02:48:54 AM |
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Kate wrote:
In simple terms because our faith believes that the Bible is the word
of God. We are called to simply believe as a child that the Bible is
true and no manner of evidence you conjure up or invoke would deter our
faith.
Speak for yourself. Some outgrow their childhood brainwashing.
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| User: "Divine Holiness Church for Dogs" |
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23 Oct 2006 04:44:43 AM |
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I believe in some kind of superior being or beings but the Bible
doesn't make sense to me; the middle ages English, the word structure,
the mean-spiritedness supposedly coming from God, and 2 plus 2 equals 5
stuff. For example, their descriptions of sin like it's something
tangible, like a disease rather something people do. And Jesus dying
supposedly "taking away our sins." If someone steals or murders,
nobody can take that away; it's done. And it doesn't make sense for
someone to be punished for what someone else does. The Bible and
Christian religion seems to be based on people being punished either
for things totally not their fault or for things done by others.
Whatever happened to just treating others the way one would like to be
treated and helping people?
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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25 Oct 2006 08:54:06 PM |
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Divine Holiness Church for Dogs wrote:
I believe in some kind of superior being or beings but the Bible
doesn't make sense to me; the middle ages English, the word structure,
the mean-spiritedness supposedly coming from God, and 2 plus 2 equals 5
stuff. For example, their descriptions of sin like it's something
tangible, like a disease rather something people do. And Jesus dying
supposedly "taking away our sins." If someone steals or murders,
nobody can take that away; it's done. And it doesn't make sense for
someone to be punished for what someone else does. The Bible and
Christian religion seems to be based on people being punished either
for things totally not their fault or for things done by others.
Whatever happened to just treating others the way one would like to be
treated and helping people?
It does not stress obedience to authority, which is the ultimate
moral virtue.
Michael
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