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"Michael Wallace" |
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13 Jan 2006 05:04:45 PM |
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Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
The religion of *****, you have to love it. It's always worth a laugh
to see the apologists twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify
the actions of these savages - particularly things like the actions of
the Muslims in the linking article mindlessly chanting "Death to
America and Israel". What's more disturbing is that many apologists
are will go so far as to defend the rights of these mindless people to
have nuclear weapons. Truly a case of the mindless defending the
mindless...
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=18955&catcode=13
Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased
Written by Pete Fisher
Friday, January 13, 2006
I have to shake my head in disbelief just about every day when I
listen to people who have no clue about Islam or what is happening all
around the world.
I still have a very hard time buying into the claims by many of our
politicians and media that this is somehow a peaceful religion. This
does not mean that every Muslim out in this world is violent. I am not
saying that at all. But what I AM saying is that Islam is the perfect
spring board for violent acts of every kind and is simply unchecked by
its own members.
This week in Mecca we can watch the video from Memri go here:
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=991where
in the height of the Muslim spiritual Hadj, the holiest time and
holiest site in all of Islam, are Muslims screaming for the death and
mutilation of all infidels, but specifically Americans and Jews. They
cry to their god for our hands to be chopped off and to be murdered
while thanking Allah for his greatness.
And in Mount Arafat this week the people who were on Hadj were told
that there was a huge holy war against Islam ongoing in this world
right now, according to the Grand Mufi of Saudi Arabia.
We are now finding that Saddam did provide for terrorist training, we
see evidence that Syria was involved in goading Iraqi terrorists into
action, we see recruiting in Europe and Canada as well as the USA. We
see Muslims worldwide who refuse to live as their host nations live,
but rather demand those nations bend to the will of Islam. Rapes have
become the crime of choice for many Muslim men living in Australia and
Europe, where violent crimes in many of these countries has risen to
heights unknown before the Islamic immigration into those nations.
The Palestinians will never be satisfied with the way Israel has bent
backwards trying to appease them. They still scream for blood, and
they still train their children in the ways of death and slaughter.
Iran has snubbed their nose at the IAEA and the rest of the world with
it’s cat and mouse tactics on nuclear technology. They claim they need
the power, but in truth, the population of Iran has never been the
concern of the mullahs running the place. All they care about is
pushing Islam as a world power and desire the technology to use it as
a terror threat when they deem it necessary.
Islam has no concern for human rights if one looks around the world.
There are no storms of people protesting the rapes and oppression by
the millions, even when perpetrated on Muslims, by Muslims. They have
no care for the Sudan where they shoot at innocent women and children
as they drink from the muddy Wadi because they have no other source of
water due to Muslims destroying their lives, land and population.
The funny thing is, Muslim women have written to me telling me the
wonderful rights they have, all the while being forced to wear a head
cover and not even being able to drive or shop without a male escort.
And the Saudis are concerned that when we report such inane and evil
events that we as the West are chasing people away from Islam.
This to me is the typical Islam double standard and total lack of
responsibility so prevalent in the religion. Not long ago in Sydney, a
well known Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed publicly condoned raping of
women by saying they had no one to blame but themselves. It is not
the fault of the Muslim male; it had to be the fault of the victim.
Much like the Democrats in America, the criminal did what they did for
any other purpose that by personal choice. Whether it is their
upbringing, abuse, poverty, wealth, illness, being bullied, all lame
excuses that have actually been used in our courts. And because of
this like-minded philosophy, Islam can never blame itself for its own
shortcomings or actions. If one of them rapes, it was the fault of the
victim for wearing no socks. If a schoolhouse got bombed and children
slaughtered in innocent blood, it was the fault of the village or
country not accepting Islam that made them bomb it.
If Palestinians are starving in dire poverty due to Arafat having
skimmed the coffers and pocketed the money, then it must be the Jews
who are not allowing them into Israel. If the Jews do not want them in
Israel because they cannot abstain from terror and crime, then it must
be an agenda against Islam and Jihad must be waged. It can not be that
they are simply terrorists and like Jordan and Syria before Israel,
they are not wanted due to their proclivities.
In the mind of Islam, anything that is not Islam is at fault for their
people starving, at fault if they fight each other, at fault if acts
of extreme cowardice are used to make a political point. It is the
fault of all others on Earth that they refuse to help their own and
the image they put to the world. It is NOT the West chasing people
away from Islam. It is Islam chasing people away. It is the actions of
Muslims, it is the writings of the Koran and Hadiths, it is the
questionable life of Mohammed himself that keep people away from
Islam. It is the silence of Muslims when their own commit acts so
diabolical it would take the Devil himself some trouble to devise.
It is the chaos within Islam and the chaos it creates without that
make human beings shake their heads in disbelief at the horrors
committed in the name of their god. But we who are civilized can never
teach those who refuse to hear.
It is simply easier for Islam to blame the rest of the world for the
evil it creates and commands through the Koran. It is much easier to
hide behind the lies than to look at the deceit within. It is easier
to write off the starvation, blood letting, and lust for murder with
Koranic passages than to actually become human beings that care for
one another.
It is easier for Muslims around the globe to say nothing while their
own walk this Earth spewing evil. It is easier for many to believe
that just because a few of the billions do not act like this, it may
have enough peaceful elements to actually be placed in the Great
Religion category. But those who have befriended Islam have been
bitten badly by the ones they reached to. France, Spain, England, The
Netherlands, Finland, Canada, USA, and many African nations have
learned the price of treating them like decent and civilized people.
They have been attacked from within, they have been demanded to change
laws that favor Islam, they seen crime rates rise, and they have been
berated by these people.
This is a simple thing really. It stems from a great arrogance that
Islam and only Islam is to survive on Earth at any cost. Though
arrogance is evident in other religions to some extant, it is the
mainstay of Islam and because oft his millions are enslaved by Islam
and millions die by the hand of the followers of Mohammed.
And because of this, Islam can never be appeased. It is never enough
until they dominate. It will never be enough until they make all the
laws. It can never be enough as long as there are those who refuse to
buy into Mohammed and his 6,666 verses called Koran. It can never be
appeased until it is fully dominant, or until it does not exist to
create the evil it does on a daily basis.
I love my fellow man, and I love animals, but even a rabid dog is shot
to protect the townsfolk from the death a bite.
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13 Jan 2006 05:28:55 PM |
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Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote in message news:ulbgs1dhua0as4hk3vh5p2ugo0qqa7k7qk@4ax.com...
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
The religion of *****, you have to love it. It's always worth a laugh
to see the apologists twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify
the actions of these savages - particularly things like the actions of
the Muslims in the linking article mindlessly chanting "Death to
America and Israel". What's more disturbing is that many apologists
are will go so far as to defend the rights of these mindless people to
have nuclear weapons. Truly a case of the mindless defending the
mindless...
.....snip.....
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| User: "Mr." |
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14 Jan 2006 05:15:20 AM |
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OK. So some xtians were fanatical. I would suspect that politics blended in
with religion in those times as well.Then what you had was pointing the
finger at undesirables and your enemies.
We now live in the 21st century. The most enlightened people to have ever
existed on earth. And it's hard to believe in the backwardness(Ideas,
Philosophies) of certain groups of people.
"fritz" <fritz@address.com> wrote in message
news:dq9d91$osb$01$1@news.t-online.com...
Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote in message
news:ulbgs1dhua0as4hk3vh5p2ugo0qqa7k7qk@4ax.com...
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
The religion of *****, you have to love it. It's always worth a laugh
to see the apologists twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify
the actions of these savages - particularly things like the actions of
the Muslims in the linking article mindlessly chanting "Death to
America and Israel". What's more disturbing is that many apologists
are will go so far as to defend the rights of these mindless people to
have nuclear weapons. Truly a case of the mindless defending the
mindless...
....snip.....
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| User: "Rifty" |
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15 Jan 2006 07:22:49 AM |
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Mr. <Mr@abc.com> wrote:
The most enlightened people to have ever
existed on earth.
I guess we are, depending on how you define the term. But it doesn't
seem to stop us from collectively (and individually) doing things that
are profoundly stupid.
Rifty
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Academic and Computing Help
http://rifty.net
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| User: "davey" |
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14 Jan 2006 07:01:27 AM |
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So sad that so many on these newsgroups resort to rather gruby name
calling rather than reasoned debate!
Just to point out a couple of things about my faith as a Christian.
Incidentaly until a few months ago I was a lifelong atheist, it was the
very matter of terrorism, hate and Islam that brought me to Christ.
The teaching of Christ can be summarised as follows:
Love God.
Love your neighbours.
( + Love your enemies. + Don't judge others lest you be judged)
A clear Commandment from God:
"Thou shalt not kill."
As far as 'stuff' from the Old Testament concerning 'smiting of
enemies' etc is beyond my current knowledge - I've only just started
reading the Bible - but as far as I understand it the OT must be read
in the context of the history and culture of the times. Also, of
course, these were events before Christ arrived to offer redemption for
all.
I certainly don't think Jesus would condone burning witches, heretics
or whoever. Neither would He condone sexual malpractice. These were all
evils carried out by individuals trying to hide behind Christianity.
peace
davey
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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19 Jan 2006 08:46:00 AM |
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davey wrote:
So sad that so many on these newsgroups resort to rather gruby name
calling rather than reasoned debate!
Just to point out a couple of things about my faith as a Christian.
Incidentaly until a few months ago I was a lifelong atheist, it was the
very matter of terrorism, hate and Islam that brought me to Christ.
So because one group of religious fanatics crashes planes into skyscrapers,
you decide to become religious? Hmm. . .
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Jan 2006 09:08:10 AM |
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davey wrote:
So sad that so many on these newsgroups resort to rather gruby name
calling rather than reasoned debate!
Just to point out a couple of things about my faith as a Christian.
Incidentaly until a few months ago I was a lifelong atheist, it was the
very matter of terrorism, hate and Islam that brought me to Christ.
The teaching of Christ can be summarised as follows:
Love God.
Love your neighbours.
( + Love your enemies. + Don't judge others lest you be judged)
Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned,
and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and
sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
A clear Commandment from God:
"Thou shalt not kill."
Deuteronomy 20
13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou
shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in
the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and
thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath
given thee. (take: Heb. spoil)
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from
thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give
thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely , the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
As far as 'stuff' from the Old Testament concerning 'smiting of
enemies' etc is beyond my current knowledge - I've only just started
reading the Bible - but as far as I understand it the OT must be read
in the context of the history and culture of the times. Also, of
course, these were events before Christ arrived to offer redemption for
all.
Gee, why didn't omnisicent god think about that earlier?
Genesis 3
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the
tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till
the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of
Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the
way of the tree of life.
I certainly don't think Jesus would condone burning witches, heretics
or whoever. Neither would He condone sexual malpractice. These were all
evils carried out by individuals trying to hide behind Christianity.
Luke 14:33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh
not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "davey" |
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14 Jan 2006 09:53:29 AM |
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wbarwell quoted thus:
Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned,
and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and
sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
My Bible (JB) notes:
hate (hateing); Hebraism : an emphatic way of expressing a total
detachment.
So my reading would be: the word hate used here in it's context is only
aproximate to it's Hebrew root and should not be translated literaly in
the 21st C western sense.
Following Jesus is not an easy option.
Deuteronomy 20 ......
Genesis 3
"As far as 'stuff' from the Old Testament concerning 'smiting of
enemies' etc is beyond my current knowledge - I've only just started
reading the Bible - but as far as I understand it the OT must be read
in the context of the history and culture of the times. Also, of
course, these were events before Christ arrived to offer redemption for
all."
Gee, why didn't omnisicent god think about that earlier?
Earlier than what?
Luke 14:33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh
not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple
In what way does that condone witch burning etc? AFAIU this passage is
directed at his disciples and is about renouncing possessions.
peace
davey
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14 Jan 2006 11:30:04 AM |
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"davey" <davey2623@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1137254009.841310.87900@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
wbarwell quoted thus:
Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned,
and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and
sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
My Bible (JB) notes:
hate (hateing); Hebraism : an emphatic way of expressing a total
detachment.
So my reading would be: the word hate used here in it's context is only
aproximate to it's Hebrew root and should not be translated literaly in
the 21st C western sense.
Ah, yes, ladies and gentlemen: the Wonderful World of 'Faith'. A world in
which a word means ... well, whatever it needs to mean for everything to be
*just dandy*...!!
Following Jesus is not an easy option.
That's sure not how it looks to the rest of us, sonny...!
Gord.
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| User: "davey" |
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14 Jan 2006 12:58:17 PM |
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Uncle Gordon wrote:
Ah, yes, ladies and gentlemen: the Wonderful World of 'Faith'. A world in
which a word means ... well, whatever it needs to mean for everything to be
*just dandy*...!!
Nope. It means that translating from an ancient language into 21st
english can be tricky. It also means that 'literal' readings of the
Bible can be tricky too, which is why I prefer to read across several
versions and check with any commentaries I might have available as
well.
That's sure not how it looks to the rest of us, sonny...!
I take it you are getting on in years to be able to call me sonny?!
peace
davey
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| User: "Olrik" |
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15 Jan 2006 12:55:37 AM |
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davey wrote:
Uncle Gordon wrote:
Ah, yes, ladies and gentlemen: the Wonderful World of 'Faith'. A world in
which a word means ... well, whatever it needs to mean for everything to be
*just dandy*...!!
Nope. It means that translating from an ancient language into 21st
english can be tricky. It also means that 'literal' readings of the
Bible can be tricky too, which is why I prefer to read across several
versions and check with any commentaries I might have available as
well.
Forget English. The debates christers have about the English
translations do not appear in other languages, and vice versa. Crap is
crap in any languages...
;-)
That's sure not how it looks to the rest of us, sonny...!
I take it you are getting on in years to be able to call me sonny?!
peace
davey
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Jan 2006 07:03:34 PM |
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davey wrote:
Uncle Gordon wrote:
Ah, yes, ladies and gentlemen: the Wonderful World of 'Faith'. A world
in which a word means ... well, whatever it needs to mean for
everything to be *just dandy*...!!
Nope. It means that translating from an ancient language into 21st
english can be tricky. It also means that 'literal' readings of the
Bible can be tricky too, which is why I prefer to read across several
versions and check with any commentaries I might have available as
well.
There is nothing tricky at al about it.
Except the aplogists tricks played by people
who do not want to admit what Jesus said is
less than admirable.
When at the time of the Reformation the bible
became readily avialable in the langauges of
Europe, the word games started.
There is no misunderstanding here possible.
Miseo, hate.
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Jan 2006 07:00:23 PM |
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davey wrote:
wbarwell quoted thus:
Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned,
and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and
sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
My Bible (JB) notes:
hate (hateing); Hebraism : an emphatic way of expressing a total
detachment.
So my reading would be: the word hate used here in it's context is only
aproximate to it's Hebrew root and should not be translated literaly in
the 21st C western sense.
Following Jesus is not an easy option.
Another case of bad translation, falsehood.
The word is miseo, hate or despise.
It does not mean detachment, that is a late apologism
by dishonest apologists.
It has not meant that for well over a millenia.
It has long been translated to mean hate, despise,
because that is what it means. And this is what I
despise about religion more than anything else in
the Universe, intellectual dishonesty.
Deuteronomy 20 ......
Genesis 3
"As far as 'stuff' from the Old Testament concerning 'smiting of
enemies' etc is beyond my current knowledge - I've only just started
reading the Bible - but as far as I understand it the OT must be read
in the context of the history and culture of the times. Also, of
course, these were events before Christ arrived to offer redemption for
all."
Gee, why didn't omnisicent god think about that earlier?
Earlier than what?
EARLIER THAN CHRIST! What else COULD it mean?
I note you snipped the Deuteronomy 20 verses too.
Thous shall not kill, now its off to Canaan to kill all
the Canaanite, Hivites, Perizites...
Genesis 3. Why didn't god want Adam to be immortal?
Why did god want Adam to be lacking godly knowledge of good and evil?
Adam was stoop labor only, a gardener fro god's stupid garden.
A stupid myth no christian woulld be caught dead reading and
understanding.
I hate religion because it refuses to think.
Snip it and ignore it. Genesis 2:17, man is created for
stoop labor strictly.
God is not our freind in Genesis 1 - 3 and the stupid christians
and Jews have long refused to admit this deeply offensive and
stupid myth says what it says.
Luke 14:33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh
not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple
In what way does that condone witch burning etc? AFAIU this passage is
directed at his disciples and is about renouncing possessions.
It was a verse that showed that the bible has verses the xians mosrt
certainly are not going to follow.
"The bible contains the commands of god himself".
Yeah, sure, then why is it no xian cares to follow
the commands of his son?
Hate you familiy. Sell all you have and give to the poor,
forsake all you have, end of the world is coming real,
real soon.
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I
willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better
myself by learning how to fly airplanes."
-- George W. Bush - [Houston Chronicle, 5/8/94]
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Fred Dagg" |
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13 Jan 2006 05:43:28 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
few hundred years ago?!?
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
buildings, though.
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| User: "Zappy" |
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14 Jan 2006 10:36:17 PM |
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"Fred Dagg" <freddagg@dagg.com> wrote in message
news:lkegs1dc8tcdho94icpc3qpltpieuq482b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
few hundred years ago?!?
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
buildings, though.
Fred me old china, how's our mate Bruce Bayliss?
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| User: "maff" |
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14 Jan 2006 11:01:32 PM |
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Fred Dagg wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
few hundred years ago?!?
We're talking about Christian fundamentalists and fascists now as well
as then.
A Century Of U.S. Military Interventions: From Wounded Knee to
Afghanistan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d53d6be8936ff5b
Christian atrocities
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/2b62a1f5e94cbbbd
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
buildings, though.
Christian fascists bomb from afar.
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| User: "Michael Wallace" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
15 Jan 2006 12:10:34 AM |
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On 14 Jan 2006 21:01:32 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
}Fred Dagg wrote:
}> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
}> exclaimed:
}>
}> >Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
}> >It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
}> >believed they were witches etc. etc.
}>
}> You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
}> were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
}> condone that, either.
}>
}> You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
}> don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
}> few hundred years ago?!?
}
}
}We're talking about Christian fundamentalists and fascists now as well
}as then.
}
}A Century Of U.S. Military Interventions: From Wounded Knee to
}Afghanistan
}http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d53d6be8936ff5b
}
}
}Christian atrocities
}http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/2b62a1f5e94cbbbd
}
}>
}> >There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
}> >bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
}> >any one time than the rest.
}>
}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> buildings, though.
}
}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
Where do you live Maff?
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
15 Jan 2006 10:41:05 PM |
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Michael Wallace wrote:
On 14 Jan 2006 21:01:32 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
}Fred Dagg wrote:
}> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
}> exclaimed:
}>
}> >Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
}> >It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
}> >believed they were witches etc. etc.
}>
}> You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
}> were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
}> condone that, either.
}>
}> You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
}> don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
}> few hundred years ago?!?
}
}
}We're talking about Christian fundamentalists and fascists now as well
}as then.
}
}A Century Of U.S. Military Interventions: From Wounded Knee to
}Afghanistan
}http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9d53d6be8936ff5b
}
}
}Christian atrocities
}http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/2b62a1f5e94cbbbd
}
}>
}> >There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
}> >bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
}> >any one time than the rest.
}>
}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> buildings, though.
}
}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
Where do you live Maff?
Are you hoping to bomb me, Christian fascist terrorist?
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| User: "NAH NAH@" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> buildings, though.
}
}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
Where do you live Maff?
He posts from the UK...
--
"Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons."
- President George W. Bush, 2004
http://zogby.blogspot.com/rummy.jpg
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| User: "Michael Wallace" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
16 Jan 2006 05:11:14 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}
}>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}>}> buildings, though.
}>}
}>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}>
}>Where do you live Maff?
}
}He posts from the UK...
Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
Christians around him are fascists.
Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
Western society while decrying it.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
19 Jan 2006 08:54:50 AM |
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Michael Wallace wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}
}>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}>}> buildings, though.
}>}
}>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}>
}>Where do you live Maff?
}
}He posts from the UK...
Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
Christians around him are fascists.
Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
Western society while decrying it.
Funny how our Christian advocate of theocracy can't stand Islamic theocracy.
Colin Day
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
19 Jan 2006 10:45:06 AM |
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Colin Day wrote:
Michael Wallace wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}
}>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}>}> buildings, though.
}>}
}>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}>
}>Where do you live Maff?
}
}He posts from the UK...
Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
Christians around him are fascists.
Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
Western society while decrying it.
Funny how our Christian advocate of theocracy can't stand Islamic theocracy.
Ain't nobody is advocating theocraty. Even in the ancient
Israel there was no theocraty. The Levites were there just
for the service in the Temple, while David as the king
had the power for an executive order and the Rabbis were there
to interpret the Law for David in a given situation.
So there is no theocraty, If by theocraty you mean the
concentration of power in the hands of a cleric or Mullah or Bishop.
What we want is the union of Christ and State, and this means what
it means. If this is what you call theocraty then you are a damn
loser,
or a fucking demon-craps or a lib or damn mother fucker.
Colin Day
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| User: "Michael Wallace" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
19 Jan 2006 04:09:16 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:50 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
}Michael Wallace wrote:
}> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}>
}> }On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}> }
}> }>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> }>}> buildings, though.
}> }>}
}> }>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}> }>
}> }>Where do you live Maff?
}> }
}> }He posts from the UK...
}>
}> Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
}> Christians around him are fascists.
}>
}> Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
}> Western society while decrying it.
}
}Funny how our Christian advocate of theocracy can't stand Islamic theocracy.
}
Where do I advocate Christian theocracy? If I did have to choose
though I know which one would be preferable in this day and age.
Somehow the 7th century barbarism of Islam doesn't appeal to me. What
about you?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
20 Jan 2006 11:33:04 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:09:16 +1100, Michael Wallace
<carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:54:50 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote:
}Michael Wallace wrote:
}> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}>
}> }On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}> }
}> }>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> }>}> buildings, though.
}> }>}
}> }>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}> }>
}> }>Where do you live Maff?
}> }
}> }He posts from the UK...
}>
}> Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
}> Christians around him are fascists.
}>
}> Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
}> Western society while decrying it.
}
}Funny how our Christian advocate of theocracy can't stand Islamic theocracy.
}
Where do I advocate Christian theocracy?
As far as I'm aware, you don't. I suspect you misunderstood Colin.
I believe he was meaning Shub (GWB)
as 'our Christian advocate of theocracy.'
[]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
19 Jan 2006 10:08:42 AM |
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Michael Wallace wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}
}>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}>}> buildings, though.
}>}
}>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}>
}>Where do you live Maff?
}
}He posts from the UK...
Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
Christians around him are fascists.
Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
Western society while decrying it.
So why haven't you enlisted, Christian fascist?
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| User: "Michael Wallace" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
19 Jan 2006 04:10:17 PM |
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On 19 Jan 2006 08:08:42 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
}
}Michael Wallace wrote:
}> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}>
}> }On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}> }
}> }>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> }>}> buildings, though.
}> }>}
}> }>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}> }>
}> }>Where do you live Maff?
}> }
}> }He posts from the UK...
}>
}> Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
}> Christians around him are fascists.
}>
}> Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
}> Western society while decrying it.
}
}So why haven't you enlisted, Christian fascist?
Enlisted in what, you twit?
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
20 Jan 2006 05:38:48 PM |
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Michael Wallace wrote:
On 19 Jan 2006 08:08:42 -0800, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
}
}Michael Wallace wrote:
}> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:55:24 -0600, NAH <NAH@> wrote:
}>
}> }On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:10:34 +1100, Michael Wallace <carl@partsdirectaust.com.au> wrote:
}> }
}> }>}> These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
}> }>}> buildings, though.
}> }>}
}> }>}Christian fascists bomb from afar.
}> }>
}> }>Where do you live Maff?
}> }
}> }He posts from the UK...
}>
}> Why doesn't he move to an Islamic country if he feels all those
}> Christians around him are fascists.
}>
}> Funny how all these big brained lefties all enjoy the comforts of
}> Western society while decrying it.
}
}So why haven't you enlisted, Christian fascist?
Enlisted in what, you twit?
Enlisting in the Christian fascist crusader army, Chickenhawk fascist.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
14 Jan 2006 04:29:06 AM |
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Fred Dagg wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You truly are ignorant, aren't you? To a muslim, the crusades
happened yesterday. No doubt you also say the murder of jews by
xians across Europe from 1500-1945 was "a long time ago".
Of course, you're probably dumb enough not to know the xian god
and the muslim god are the same "entity".
You seem to be implying that it is OK for muslims to murder people who
don't embrace their religion because christians killed a few witches a
few hundred years ago?!?
So since you're against islam, that must mean you support the
right of catholic priests to molest children.
Hey, it's the nonsequitur argument you're using. If you don't
like it, don't use it.
There are many fundies around today who believe every word in the
bible....every religion has fruitcakes, some have more fruitcakes at
any one time than the rest.
These christian folks generally don't run around flying planes into
buildings, though.
Yeah, the xians fire missiles from the planes to kill innocent
people instead of using the muslims using planes as missiles to
kill innocents. Big difference.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
-----
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,
it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
- George W. Bush, US President
"I've never seen a pro-choicer bomb any churches. Have you?"
- Aaron Kinney, speaking on Eric Rudolph
"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the
non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
- 15-year-old fundamentalist fan of the books
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| User: "h.E." |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
14 Jan 2006 03:48:01 PM |
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<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137234546.941949.305880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Fred Dagg wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You truly are ignorant, aren't you? To a muslim, the crusades
happened yesterday. No doubt you also say the murder of jews by
xians across Europe from 1500-1945 was "a long time ago".
Of course, you're probably dumb enough not to know the xian god
and the muslim god are the same "entity".
Uh, no, they're not. Ask any Muslim if he/she believes Jesus is God.
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| User: "Zappy" |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
14 Jan 2006 10:40:18 PM |
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"h.E." <nono@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nkeyf.1293$Q97.1151@fe07.lga...
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137234546.941949.305880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Fred Dagg wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You truly are ignorant, aren't you? To a muslim, the crusades
happened yesterday. No doubt you also say the murder of jews by
xians across Europe from 1500-1945 was "a long time ago".
Of course, you're probably dumb enough not to know the xian god
and the muslim god are the same "entity".
Uh, no, they're not. Ask any Muslim if he/she believes Jesus is God.
Jesus was not God, and only fundies beleive that he was. There is no
difference between the Xian fundies in their approach to the truth than
there is to the ragheads.
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| User: "h.E." |
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| Title: Re: Why Islam Can Never Be Appeased |
15 Jan 2006 02:59:07 PM |
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"Zappy" <zapkvr@ncable.net.au> wrote in message
news:43c9d231$1@news.comindico.com.au...
"h.E." <nono@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nkeyf.1293$Q97.1151@fe07.lga...
<bg12345@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137234546.941949.305880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Fred Dagg wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:28:55 +0100, "fritz" <fritz@address.com>
exclaimed:
Are the xtians etc. really any fucking better ?
It wasn't that long ago that xtians were killing people because they
believed they were witches etc. etc.
You are talking a long time ago. If christians (or any other group)
were killing witches in this day and age, I'm sure the OP wouldn't
condone that, either.
You truly are ignorant, aren't you? To a muslim, the crusades
happened yesterday. No doubt you also say the murder of jews by
xians across Europe from 1500-1945 was "a long time ago".
Of course, you're probably dumb enough not to know the xian god
and the muslim god are the same "entity".
Uh, no, they're not. Ask any Muslim if he/she believes Jesus is God.
Jesus was not God, and only fundies beleive that he was. There is no
difference between the Xian fundies in their approach to the truth than
there is to the ragheads.
I agree, although I prefer not to use the term "raghead." The comment to
which I was responding implied that the Christians and the Muslims believe
in the same god. This, of course is nonsense.
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